if we have are own ships as we are meant to be our own faction, why would we need access to fed ship or kdf ships? or am I confused on this point.
Because many customers have spent money to purchase exclusive ships and have spent countless hours of effort to build up starbases and fleet holdings. We are trying to be as open as possible with the Romulans to respect the investments that have been made in the game. That is why you are seeing people post "thank you for considering that" threads when it comes to Starbases. We haven't ruled out allowing Romulan Starbases in the future, but for now, we're limiting it to existing Fed or KDF faction holdings.
Playing as New Romulan means that you'll be playing a prequel storyline where we establish the Romulan Republic and all of the events that lead up to New Romulus and the Romulan Feature Episode Series. You'll have exclusive content all the way from start up through that point and if then choose to say "done". You will have had an experience just as valid as the Fed had at the launch of the game. If you want to then continue on with end game, then you'll have access to all of the Feature Episode series, Events, and Dailies that everyone else has - there's not much exclusive to anyone in that content.
But play it for yourself when it comes out, or play it on TRIBBLE. It is free. Make your own choice if you want to play a Romulan after you dig into it and see all that is there.
Saying it isn't a faction is like saying the Federation and Klingons weren't factions before Season 6. I'm not sure when Starbases became the litmus test for faction-hood, but it's kind of silly.
Silly? If the Romulan Republic was a faction without starbases, that'd be one thing.
They're not a faction *at all*, they're split between the two existing factions, working for them. That they have race-exclusive ships and a race-exclusive story arc is meaningless, it just makes them a fancier version of playable Federation Klingons.
Because it is a faction. Choosing an ally is for your benefit, so that you gain access to their ships and their gear in addition to your exclusive faction based items.
Unlike your reference of Pandaran in WOW, Romulans have their own exclusive new ship class and combat mechanic, their own exclusive storyline and episodes, their own exclusive costumes, ther own exclusive ship costumes, and a leveling experience that is very similar to what the Feds had a launch prior to all the Feature Episode Series and not limited to just the 1-10 "starting area" like Pandaran are. Romulans have far more exlusive content than that, and the fact that we then give you all of the stuff from your chosen ally gives you twice as much which is the "best of two worlds" idea.
Its your guys game , but I disagree with your company's decisions. It should of been a new independent faction in my opinion. Three way pvp would of been cool, but Fed vs Fed is what you guys want in the game leaving out the KDF. There was a lot of buzz on other gaming sites about the expansion but this will not go over well with players that where thinking of coming back to STO or trying it. Im willing to try it but not happy at the moment about this decision.
Because many customers have spent money to purchase exclusive ships and have spent countless hours of effort to build up starbases and fleet holdings. We are trying to be as open as possible with the Romulans to respect the investments that have been made in the game. That is why you are seeing people post "thank you for considering that" threads when it comes to Starbases. We haven't ruled out allowing Romulan Starbases in the future, but for now, we're limiting it to existing Fed or KDF faction holdings.
Hi, I spent 5000 points to get the Odyssey pack. I neither expect or want any Romulan character I make to have access to it.
I, and a lot of others in my fleet, were actually looking forward to an independent Romulan faction. Hell, some were even planning on buying Zen to put towards dilithium for a Romulan starbase. No point now though.
This isn't an independent Romulan side. It's a bolt-on to the Feds/KDF, no matter how much it's dressed up. Independence, is CORE to Romulan philosophy. Swap Warbirds for privateers, and this could have just as easily been an underworld 'Mercenary' faction selling itself to both sides, and would have been much more believable in story terms.
I for one was planning on rolling 3 new Rom toons (Tac,Eng,Sci) and getting Zen for all the bank/store/stuff for each one. Seems pointless when (aside from the ships), all that's waiting for me is the same Fed/KDF starbases, kit, STFs and queues we already have.
Disappointed, doesn't quite do it justice. I hold out hope that this is the start though, not the end.
Because many customers have spent money to purchase exclusive ships and have spent countless hours of effort to build up starbases and fleet holdings. We are trying to be as open as possible with the Romulans to respect the investments that have been made in the game. That is why you are seeing people post "thank you for considering that" threads when it comes to Starbases. We haven't ruled out allowing Romulan Starbases in the future, but for now, we're limiting it to existing Fed or KDF faction holdings.
Playing as New Romulan means that you'll be playing a prequel storyline where we establish the Romulan Republic and all of the events that lead up to New Romulus and the Romulan Feature Episode Series. You'll have exclusive content all the way from start up through that point and if then choose to say "done". You will have had an experience just as valid as the Fed had at the launch of the game. If you want to then continue on with end game, then you'll have access to all of the Feature Episode series, Events, and Dailies that everyone else has - there's not much exclusive to anyone in that content.
But play it for yourself when it comes out, or play it on TRIBBLE. It is free. Make your own choice if you want to play a Romulan after you dig into it and see all that is there.
Thanks for your replies so far. Do Romulans get access to Romulan Fleet Ships and/or C-Store Romulan ships on par with Fleet Ships ?
As stated in the Ask Cryptic, we will consider allowing the construction of Romulan Starbases in the future, but at launch, we want to recognize all the effort that existing Fleets have put into their Starbases and not introduce a "must start over" approach this early.
Who are we to say where this may lead? If Romulan starbases etc. are introduced somewhere down the line... Who's to say that that won't eventually lead to more fully fleshed out Romulan content in the form of FE's etc. etc.?
I, and a lot of others in my fleet, were actually looking forward to an independent Romulan faction. Hell, some were even planning on buying Zen to put towards dilithium for a Romulan starbase. No point now though.
This isn't an independent Romulan side. It's a bolt-on to the Feds/KDF, no matter how much it's dressed up. Independence, is CORE to Romulan philosophy. Swap Warbirds for privateers, and this could have just as easily been an underworld 'Mercenary' faction selling itself to both sides, and would have been much more believable in story terms.
I for one was planning on rolling 3 new Rom toons (Tac,Eng,Sci) and getting Zen for all the bank/store/stuff for each one. Seems pointless when (aside from the ship), all that's waiting for me is the same Fed/KDF starbases, kit, repgrinds, STFs and queues we already have.
Disappointed, doesn't quite do it justice.
Yes this would be an interesting enough concept for Ferengi privateers, or any number or alien factions we've seen in the whole of Trek.
But Romulans? Freaking Romulans? Oh yeah, it's "just a game". :rolleyes:
Theres not going to be a rom faction just a big mislead from cryptic to get people to come back.
Im rather angered by this what was the point of the whole "March beneath the raptors wings" when there wasnt going to be a faction.
They should have told us upfront what was going to happen not mislead us to believe there was gonna be a rom faction.
I have a question and would really like this answered
If there was no intent on adding a romulan 3rd faction why did you at cryptic elude to there being a romulan faction with and i quote "March beneath the raptors wing" ?
Its your guys game , but I disagree with your company's decisions. It should of been a new independent faction in my opinion. Three way pvp would of been cool, but Fed vs Fed is what you guys want in the game leaving out the KDF. There was a lot of buzz on other gaming sites about the expansion but this will not go over well with players that where thinking of coming back to STO or trying it. Im willing to try it but not happy at the moment about this decision.
By allying with the Federation and the Empire the STAR EMPIRE can gain a foothold in their space , access to their darkest secrets and possibly control of their fleets (the number of fleets I have seen left with only a few people is HUGE)
The eventual dominance of the Romulans is a high probability
However I must suggest that we all (as a forum , group and species) Agree NOT to vape other Romulans in pvp
So if we want to continue to have new factions in the game, this is how the game is designed to do it.
Errr... , this is how it is designed , or this is how you've chosen to implement ?
World of difference there ... , and I have a feeling that the latter is the more apt description -- also known as the easy way out .
Dan, you keep talking about how the romulans are a proper faction because they have their own storyline, except this isn't a single player RPG, it's an MMO. The vast, VAST majority of the game for most players is spent either in social hubs or group content (STFs, fleet actions, PVP) all of which is going to be chosen based on which faction we choose to ally ourselves with. Getting to play a few hours worth of romulan only storyline missions doesn't change the fact that everything else is tied in to our chosen ally.
We are trying to be as open as possible with the Romulans to respect the investments that have been made in the game.
This, I fully believe, Dan.
However, I have concerns over the alien-gen blocking. For one, it's mentioned that they will have limits to what you can do with them because the Romulans are a xenophobic species. This WAS true, about the Romulan Star Empire, but I'm pretty certain if there are Klingons on the surface of Mol'Rihan teaching Romulans mok'bara, there's really not a lot of room left to say "Oh, Romulans wouldn't let THIS guy captain a ship because he has a jem'hadar forhead on him." Sorry, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Secondly, I don't understand what the point of locking the alien-gen feature to only gold members achieves. You give away just about everything in the game to silver players. We critiqued this on Podcast UGC, saying "what's the point to playing gold?" but that was over a year ago. Now, we have to ask "What's he point of locking off the alien generator to silver players if you can alien-gen on both Federation and Klingon?" I'm serious about this question. To what end does it achieve? All it will do is annoy and aggravate silver players because they're having less options for LITERALLY no reason. It won't spur them to sub, it will just emphasize how it doesn't make sense and annoy them, especcially if they COULD make an alien on one of the "allied" factions like Fed or Klingon and just fly a Romulan C-Store or lock box ship. Could we have an explanation on this? Because so far I'm completely lost.
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Does anyone outside of the developers actually feel like this is a legitimate 3rd faction?
Or are we all pretty much in consensus that it feels like a partial faction being grafted onto the other two?
It seems to me like the general tone for most responses is disappointment. It's all well and good to talk about what they could do with Romulans in the future after the next season or two, but if what they're offering us now is disappointing to the majority then perhaps they're out of touch with the playerbase.
I also find it ironic that part of the reasoning behind their decision is they don't want people to have to deal with the huge undertaking of leveling a starbase, when they're the ones who control how difficult it actually is. Perhaps actually finding a way to balance the starbase building for smaller or new fleets would solve the root of the problem, not work around it.
Dan, you keep talking about how the romulans are a proper faction because they have their own storyline, except this isn't a single player RPG, it's an MMO. The vast, VAST majority of the game for most players is spent either in social hubs or group content (STFs, fleet actions, PVP) all of which is going to be chosen based on which faction we choose to ally ourselves with. Getting to play a few hours worth of romulan only storyline missions doesn't change the fact that everything else is tied in to our chosen ally.
New Romulas can be the social hub for the faction if you choose it to be. Everything you need from any other hub is there to utilise.
Saying it isn't a faction is like saying the Federation and Klingons weren't factions before Season 6. I'm not sure when Starbases became the litmus test for faction-hood, but it's kind of silly.
Yeah, I'm actually growing quite fond of how this Romulan Republic is unfolding. Not quite what I'd expected, but not bad at all.
Much better than marching under "Empress" Sela. And also there is the vast potential for the story to undertake unexpected twists and turns.
After the loss of Romulus (and Remus, no one remembers Remus, lol), we were in Chaos. Some unfortunate misunderstandings between some groups within our government depleted even more of our resources.
Now, after colonizing that stinking jungle called New Romulus, the foolish Federation and the dumb Klingon Empire not only collect stones and flowers for us and provide for our Epohh meat needs, they allow us access to their bases ! Their secret technology ! And even their ships !
Once we have rebuilt the Romulan Empire, we will crush them like pathetic insects ! March under the Raptor's Wings again !
Still more than what the KDF got at their launch... too soon?
Don't worry, in a few years they'll get around to finishing Romulans just like they're (maybe) finishing KDF now. Maybe they think having us play unfinished factions builds character.
Because many customers have spent money to purchase exclusive ships and have spent countless hours of effort to build up starbases and fleet holdings. We are trying to be as open as possible with the Romulans to respect the investments that have been made in the game. That is why you are seeing people post "thank you for considering that" threads when it comes to Starbases. We haven't ruled out allowing Romulan Starbases in the future, but for now, we're limiting it to existing Fed or KDF faction holdings.
Playing as New Romulan means that you'll be playing a prequel storyline where we establish the Romulan Republic and all of the events that lead up to New Romulus and the Romulan Feature Episode Series. You'll have exclusive content all the way from start up through that point and if then choose to say "done". You will have had an experience just as valid as the Fed had at the launch of the game. If you want to then continue on with end game, then you'll have access to all of the Feature Episode series, Events, and Dailies that everyone else has - there's not much exclusive to anyone in that content.
But play it for yourself when it comes out, or play it on TRIBBLE. It is free. Make your own choice if you want to play a Romulan after you dig into it and see all that is there.
Hi DaStahl,
Well, i didn't think we would get a true full faction, so my hopes were never up. But i'm not disappointed with your desicions regarding the new faction. You are a business and need to make money, and lord knows i have spent enough on this game lol.
Thank you for doing your best job with the new faction, i think it will all work out fine.
And to the naysayers and canon people, all stories have to have a beginning, now we are going to get to see it finally, why are you griping? i don't get it since i'm 51 years old and started watching Trek as kid, i think i know my Trek, and the direction Cryptic is going dosn't look that bad to me, but like DaStahl said, play the missions, more missions are coming down the road to help complete the storyline, give it time.
Thats all, please return to your regularly scheduled program..and have fun!
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First and foremost, I feel like this project as a whole is only really sort of a 2/3 job. The roots are all there for a faction, but it reads like you stopped short of realizing that aspect. You're missing a Romulan timeship and associated related bits, missing a Romulan flagship class, missing a Romulan 1000-day Vet ship, Lib. Borg Romulans, diluted DOffs, and no starbase. With the meat of the faction experience already in place, why didn't you finish filling in at least the basics of a Starbase and a full set of DOffs all to themselves? How much of this, if any, is definitely planned for future release?
Secondly, just how many unique ship lines will the Romulans be getting? Will it be a linear progression, or will they have an Escort/Cruiser/Science trinity? And if not, how will Romulan ships work to make sure something is available that fits each profession or allows flexibility in profession/ship combinations?
Other than that, though? I like what I hear. The forced choice doesn't bug me much, just means I'll have to roll one more Rom than I originally planned. And I don't PvP, so the issue of Romulans killing each other, while intensely weird, doesn't really bother me. 'sides, the whole thing sounds like a delightfully devious Romulan ploy anyway...
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Because many customers have spent money to purchase exclusive ships and have spent countless hours of effort to build up starbases and fleet holdings. We are trying to be as open as possible with the Romulans to respect the investments that have been made in the game. That is why you are seeing people post "thank you for considering that" threads when it comes to Starbases. We haven't ruled out allowing Romulan Starbases in the future, but for now, we're limiting it to existing Fed or KDF faction holdings.
Playing as New Romulan means that you'll be playing a prequel storyline where we establish the Romulan Republic and all of the events that lead up to New Romulus and the Romulan Feature Episode Series. You'll have exclusive content all the way from start up through that point and if then choose to say "done". You will have had an experience just as valid as the Fed had at the launch of the game. If you want to then continue on with end game, then you'll have access to all of the Feature Episode series, Events, and Dailies that everyone else has - there's not much exclusive to anyone in that content.
But play it for yourself when it comes out, or play it on TRIBBLE. It is free. Make your own choice if you want to play a Romulan after you dig into it and see all that is there.
Silly? If the Romulan Republic was a faction without starbases, that'd be one thing.
They're not a faction *at all*, they're split between the two existing factions, working for them. That they have race-exclusive ships and a race-exclusive story arc is meaningless, it just makes them a fancier version of playable Federation Klingons.
Its your guys game , but I disagree with your company's decisions. It should of been a new independent faction in my opinion. Three way pvp would of been cool, but Fed vs Fed is what you guys want in the game leaving out the KDF. There was a lot of buzz on other gaming sites about the expansion but this will not go over well with players that where thinking of coming back to STO or trying it. Im willing to try it but not happy at the moment about this decision.
Hi, I spent 5000 points to get the Odyssey pack. I neither expect or want any Romulan character I make to have access to it.
Exactly. How many people thought "I wish I could roll a Romulan so I can fly a Fed ship"?
This isn't an independent Romulan side. It's a bolt-on to the Feds/KDF, no matter how much it's dressed up. Independence, is CORE to Romulan philosophy. Swap Warbirds for privateers, and this could have just as easily been an underworld 'Mercenary' faction selling itself to both sides, and would have been much more believable in story terms.
I for one was planning on rolling 3 new Rom toons (Tac,Eng,Sci) and getting Zen for all the bank/store/stuff for each one. Seems pointless when (aside from the ships), all that's waiting for me is the same Fed/KDF starbases, kit, STFs and queues we already have.
Disappointed, doesn't quite do it justice. I hold out hope that this is the start though, not the end.
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Thanks for your replies so far. Do Romulans get access to Romulan Fleet Ships and/or C-Store Romulan ships on par with Fleet Ships ?
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Who are we to say where this may lead? If Romulan starbases etc. are introduced somewhere down the line... Who's to say that that won't eventually lead to more fully fleshed out Romulan content in the form of FE's etc. etc.?
Yes this would be an interesting enough concept for Ferengi privateers, or any number or alien factions we've seen in the whole of Trek.
But Romulans? Freaking Romulans? Oh yeah, it's "just a game". :rolleyes:
Theres not going to be a rom faction just a big mislead from cryptic to get people to come back.
Im rather angered by this what was the point of the whole "March beneath the raptors wings" when there wasnt going to be a faction.
They should have told us upfront what was going to happen not mislead us to believe there was gonna be a rom faction.
I have a question and would really like this answered
If there was no intent on adding a romulan 3rd faction why did you at cryptic elude to there being a romulan faction with and i quote "March beneath the raptors wing" ?
You should just quit the game then...yeesh.
By allying with the Federation and the Empire the STAR EMPIRE can gain a foothold in their space , access to their darkest secrets and possibly control of their fleets (the number of fleets I have seen left with only a few people is HUGE)
The eventual dominance of the Romulans is a high probability
However I must suggest that we all (as a forum , group and species) Agree NOT to vape other Romulans in pvp
Guess where this ship's headed ? :eek:
Errr... , this is how it is designed , or this is how you've chosen to implement ?
World of difference there ... , and I have a feeling that the latter is the more apt description -- also known as the easy way out .
March beneath the Raptors Wings indeed ... .
This, I fully believe, Dan.
However, I have concerns over the alien-gen blocking. For one, it's mentioned that they will have limits to what you can do with them because the Romulans are a xenophobic species. This WAS true, about the Romulan Star Empire, but I'm pretty certain if there are Klingons on the surface of Mol'Rihan teaching Romulans mok'bara, there's really not a lot of room left to say "Oh, Romulans wouldn't let THIS guy captain a ship because he has a jem'hadar forhead on him." Sorry, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Secondly, I don't understand what the point of locking the alien-gen feature to only gold members achieves. You give away just about everything in the game to silver players. We critiqued this on Podcast UGC, saying "what's the point to playing gold?" but that was over a year ago. Now, we have to ask "What's he point of locking off the alien generator to silver players if you can alien-gen on both Federation and Klingon?" I'm serious about this question. To what end does it achieve? All it will do is annoy and aggravate silver players because they're having less options for LITERALLY no reason. It won't spur them to sub, it will just emphasize how it doesn't make sense and annoy them, especcially if they COULD make an alien on one of the "allied" factions like Fed or Klingon and just fly a Romulan C-Store or lock box ship. Could we have an explanation on this? Because so far I'm completely lost.
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Or are we all pretty much in consensus that it feels like a partial faction being grafted onto the other two?
It seems to me like the general tone for most responses is disappointment. It's all well and good to talk about what they could do with Romulans in the future after the next season or two, but if what they're offering us now is disappointing to the majority then perhaps they're out of touch with the playerbase.
I also find it ironic that part of the reasoning behind their decision is they don't want people to have to deal with the huge undertaking of leveling a starbase, when they're the ones who control how difficult it actually is. Perhaps actually finding a way to balance the starbase building for smaller or new fleets would solve the root of the problem, not work around it.
New Romulas can be the social hub for the faction if you choose it to be. Everything you need from any other hub is there to utilise.
You're thinking of movies.
game prequels are usually good.
Yeah, I'm actually growing quite fond of how this Romulan Republic is unfolding. Not quite what I'd expected, but not bad at all.
Much better than marching under "Empress" Sela. And also there is the vast potential for the story to undertake unexpected twists and turns.
After the loss of Romulus (and Remus, no one remembers Remus, lol), we were in Chaos. Some unfortunate misunderstandings between some groups within our government depleted even more of our resources.
Now, after colonizing that stinking jungle called New Romulus, the foolish Federation and the dumb Klingon Empire not only collect stones and flowers for us and provide for our Epohh meat needs, they allow us access to their bases ! Their secret technology ! And even their ships !
Once we have rebuilt the Romulan Empire, we will crush them like pathetic insects ! March under the Raptor's Wings again !
And for those of us who wish to be Romulans and not wannabe Vulcans?
What do we get? Oh right, nothing.
Feds, KDF or D'Tan's Vulcamulans. Oh joy.
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Kinda missing the point I was getting at. The point was we don't have anywhere for JUST romulans.
It's a time of Unification after the destruction of the home world... What do you expect? lol
Don't worry, in a few years they'll get around to finishing Romulans just like they're (maybe) finishing KDF now. Maybe they think having us play unfinished factions builds character.
Hi DaStahl,
Well, i didn't think we would get a true full faction, so my hopes were never up. But i'm not disappointed with your desicions regarding the new faction. You are a business and need to make money, and lord knows i have spent enough on this game lol.
Thank you for doing your best job with the new faction, i think it will all work out fine.
And to the naysayers and canon people, all stories have to have a beginning, now we are going to get to see it finally, why are you griping? i don't get it since i'm 51 years old and started watching Trek as kid, i think i know my Trek, and the direction Cryptic is going dosn't look that bad to me, but like DaStahl said, play the missions, more missions are coming down the road to help complete the storyline, give it time.
Thats all, please return to your regularly scheduled program..and have fun!
First and foremost, I feel like this project as a whole is only really sort of a 2/3 job. The roots are all there for a faction, but it reads like you stopped short of realizing that aspect. You're missing a Romulan timeship and associated related bits, missing a Romulan flagship class, missing a Romulan 1000-day Vet ship, Lib. Borg Romulans, diluted DOffs, and no starbase. With the meat of the faction experience already in place, why didn't you finish filling in at least the basics of a Starbase and a full set of DOffs all to themselves? How much of this, if any, is definitely planned for future release?
Secondly, just how many unique ship lines will the Romulans be getting? Will it be a linear progression, or will they have an Escort/Cruiser/Science trinity? And if not, how will Romulan ships work to make sure something is available that fits each profession or allows flexibility in profession/ship combinations?
Other than that, though? I like what I hear. The forced choice doesn't bug me much, just means I'll have to roll one more Rom than I originally planned. And I don't PvP, so the issue of Romulans killing each other, while intensely weird, doesn't really bother me. 'sides, the whole thing sounds like a delightfully devious Romulan ploy anyway...
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