They choose an ally at level 10. They continue to play unique Romulan missions until 40. Then they get the faction agnostic Featured Episodes after 40.
Hmm, well... I don't mind this too much actually. It's almost a full faction as far as I'm concerned. Several of the end episodes for the Federation (Around level 45-50-ISH, intermixed) are Featured-Episodes that are faction-agnostic.
But, I suppose I can see how, with all of these things adding up, it'd seem like a cop-out. But for me, I've been looking forward to the ROM faction for a long time, and this, for me, seems good enough.
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i still don't understand why anyone would choose kdf if there isn't lots of missions or ships.
i am floored by this decision.
Makes about as much sense as releasing a game with a half faction and 3 years later that is all everyone is talking about but they still decide to release a whole new mmo thinking that nobody remembers.
i still don't understand why anyone would choose kdf if there isn't lots of missions or ships.
i am floored by this decision.
Makes about as much sense as releasing a game with a half faction and 3 years later that is all everyone is talking about but they still decide to release a whole new mmo thinking that nobody remembers.
Missions don't matter in that case, because you don't get any additional missions for joining a faction (unless I'm wrong). Now you do get ships. But I have no intention of using a Fed/Klink ship with my Romulan... there'd be no point in being a Romulan otherwise. Definitely going to use Rom-Only ships when I make my Romulan.
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Actually, I know you want to believe that PVP is a big deal in this game and I know you want to think that KDF is a big deal...but their not. The problem with our endgame is not, by any means PVP lol. This game LACKS pve content..badly. the same boring, low reward STF's we have been doing for years now, with the exception of Hive, is old.
This micro faction we are getting soon is a joke..sorry that is just what I think of it. Ive started playing TOR and im liking it more and more everyday...it may just pull me away from Lockboxes Online..oops i mean Star Trek Online soon enough.
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Missions don't matter in that case, because you don't get any additional missions for joining a faction (unless I'm wrong). Now you do get ships. But I have no intention of using a Fed/Klink ship with my Romulan... there'd be no point in being a Romulan otherwise. Definitely going to use Rom-Only ships when I make my Romulan.
Cryptic will not release as many rom ships and there are kdf ships. They just won't. And the entire point of the way ships are designed in this game is to make it feel "almost right" so you keep on buying new ships and get bored with your present ones.
So the more the ships, the better.
Missions. Yes the romulans will get the faction they chooses missions. You don't like a story? A purpose for your faction? Because playing a fed gives you that. You have so many unanswered questions for the kdf.
You know I'm tired of it, tired of it all. The lies, the misleading by the companies and the devs. I came into the game eager to play and have fun with my friends and over the time I have see blunder after blunder by the team in many good ideas. The Starbases system sounded nice, the implementation was TRIBBLE and has killed or damaged small fleets. Then S7 which messed with something the people in general had no problem with it and add 2 new grindings and now what you have done to the Romulan faction or not faction as it is. Any wonder why people are either unsubscribing, not payout real cash anymore (like me) or leaving all together. You seemed to not get this as you repeat the mistakes that cause this reaction. I and many others would have waited longer if there was assured that we would have a nearly fully functional Faction. Trust is important but with action like these WHY SHOULD WE TRUST YOU!?
With the Romulans you had a perfect setup. The choice should not be Fed KDF but Empire or Republic. If money was a problem then do an in game option and find modders. that would free up your people for this while the modders could fix the bugs or the other way. The sad fact is the guys behind Star Trek Excalibur game our able to get better quality game. THEY TAKE THE TIME TO GET IT RIGHT. CRYPTIC LEARN.
Cryptic will not release as many rom ships and there are kdf ships. They just won't. And the entire point of the way ships are designed in this game is to make it feel "almost right" so you keep on buying new ships and get bored with your present ones.
So the more the ships, the better.
Missions. Yes the romulans will get the faction they chooses missions. You don't like a story? A purpose for your faction? Because playing a fed gives you that. You have so many unanswered questions for the kdf.
Err, I do care about the story. I'm saying that I doubt Romulans get Fed or Klink missions by allying with that faction. You might get related-Romulan-specific missions in regards to the alliance, but they aren't just giving you the standard Fed/Klink missions. That was my point.
Nonetheless, I believe the Romulan-Faction is going to be rather booming. A lot of people have been waiting for it, and want to play it. And my guess is that Cryptic will infact release ships and whatnot for it. They'd be crazy not to; people will buy those ships off the market really quick-like.
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You know I'm tired of it, tired of it all. The lies, the misleading by the companies and the devs. I came into the game eager to play and have fun with my friends and over the time I have see blunder after blunder by the team in many good ideas. The Starbases system sounded nice, the implementation was TRIBBLE and has killed or damaged small fleets. Then S7 which messed with something the people in general had no problem with it and add 2 new grindings and now what you have done to the Romulan faction or not faction as it is. Any wonder why people are either unsubscribing, not payout real cash anymore (like me) or leaving all together. You seemed to not get this as you repeat the mistakes that cause this reaction. I and many others would have waited longer if there was assured that we would have a nearly fully functional Faction. Trust is important but with action like these WHY SHOULD WE TRUST YOU!?
With the Romulans you had a perfect setup. The choice should not be Fed KDF but Empire or Republic. If money was a problem then do an in game option and find modders. that would free up your people for this while the modders could fix the bugs or the other way. The sad fact is the guys behind Star Trek Excalibur game our able to get better quality game. THEY TAKE THE TIME TO GET IT RIGHT. CRYPTIC LEARN.
Well, it's more than a race, less than a classical MMO faction. And the skinny on that is basically that it is a full faction except for:
PvP
Starbases
Level 40-50 missions
The OPTION to use Fed or KDF gear and ships, which isn't one you have to take
There's a lot of stuff you missed as well, such as new Doff missions, new exploration zone Doffs, Faction specific Social Zone staff and their lore/Vocabulary strings, etc. I think it was too much for them to do even with a copypasta, which in this particular case I would have been ok with. So what we got was in effect, a pseaduofacion that must in the end, become an ersatz KDF or FED character, albeit with different skins and perhaps ships.
This is yet another example of Cryptic's biggest disconnect with their audience: They want the game to be played one way, and the audience wants to play it a different way. But they don't seem to care what the players want. It's their way or the highway.
Playing As Intended (tm). I've mentioned it before, and this is the new way of doing bidness.
With the Romulans you had a perfect setup. The choice should not be Fed KDF but Empire or Republic. If money was a problem then do an in game option and find modders. that would free up your people for this while the modders could fix the bugs or the other way. The sad fact is the guys behind Star Trek Excalibur game our able to get better quality game. THEY TAKE THE TIME TO GET IT RIGHT. CRYPTIC LEARN.
Money wasn't a problem - the problem is that Cryptic/PWE has no intention of making this game any more than it is - a two faction shop-front for lockbox shinies and C-Store TRIBBLE.
They've consistently proven that they care little for the players they have with the 1000-day Veteran debacle, no regard for small fleets, the EDC->Omega swindle, locking content and old rewards behind poorly implemented Rep Systems and squeezing the game economy.
They've also shown zero respect for the IP in saturating the game with inappropriate ships and by rewriting Trek into something that is nothing more than a parody of the shows.
All this new 'expansion' is, is an opportunity to grab some new players off the back of the new movie - current player-base be damned.
Q: (azurianstar) Are you still considering scaling down Dilithium Costs or creating an alliance/co-op system to help small fleets advance their Starbases?
Dstahl: Yes, we are and plan to address small Fleet project challenges and will release more information about it closer to the May release.
Teflon Dan's been saying that since Fleet starbases debuted. His track record with the KDF ain't exactly stellar either - believe what you want but if he told me the sky is blue I'd have to go look out the window to check. :rolleyes:
Or, alternatively, they looked realistically at endgame and said, "The biggest problem we have with our endgame right now is the PVP queues and the Fleet queues for the KDF being way way too long." Adding a third faction which would also be underpopulated compared to the Feds would just make both problems worse. So, their solution was to have a complete Romulan faction, but for purposes of the PVP queues and Fleet Marks/Starbases to roll them into the two existing factions.
Its really the only thing that makes sense. This 'lazy' accusation is, frankly, pretty stupid. The amount of time it would take to reskin the Starbase projects and add a third set of PVP queues is tiny compared to the amount of time they're spending on Mission Content for Romulans in this expansion. They made a conscious decision not to exacerbate one of the game's current problems. Once they come up with solutions to the queue issue, they can always add them in later in relatively short order.
Now quit being reasonable. It has no place in a forum thread.
If you can share your so called "faction" missions with your "allied" players they arent faction missions.
It gives people choices as to how to play their characters, which opens up more possibilities and options for players. You can choose to help friends in other factions out with their missions or stick to your own faction's missions.
The ability to share is just that and has no bearing on whether they are "faction" missions or not.
If you can share your so called "faction" missions with your "allied" players they arent faction missions.
Can I get a quote on the fact that Romulans aren't getting many story missions? Or that they're only get Fed/Klink missions after a certain level? Because I hadn't heard of this, and I'd like to know who said this.
Seems to be what you're implying.
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Can I get a quote on the fact that Romulans aren't getting many story missions? Or that they're only get Fed/Klink missions after a certain level? Because I hadn't heard of this, and I'd like to know who said this.
Seems to be what you're implying.
Dan said the Romulans will have unique story content to get them to lvl 40 - after that they'll have (just) the Featured Episodes - same as the KDF (Feddies have more than that).
As to how many missions that actually is? Who knows? We'll find out in due course. The KDF for example currently have 9 unique missions to get them from level 20-34 with the Devidian Arc a part of that (14 missions total for 14 levels).
Ideally you'd have 0.75 to 1.0 missions per level but that would suggest a minimum of 30 unique missions for the Romulans - that just seems way out of whack with what Cryptic are capable of producing so I really don't know.
The Romulan missions to lvl 40 are exclusive to Roms, but your faction 'allies' can be invited to play them with you (sans any Rom-specific rewards).
Yes, federation has slightly more than that, I'll admit. However, the majority of the missions for fed from 45-50 are Featured Episodes.
So, I'll go as far to say that Romulans will have 5 levels less worth of missions than Federation. And I'm fine with that. They're a new faction, and I'm just impressed that we're getting 40 levels worth of unique missions.
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Can I get a quote on the fact that Romulans aren't getting many story missions? Or that they're only get Fed/Klink missions after a certain level? Because I hadn't heard of this, and I'd like to know who said this.
Seems to be what you're implying.
I'd love to find that and quote for you, but the truth is I'm a bit lazy atm.
Well, not that they're not getting many story missions. Mr.Stahl said that (I think he posted it somewhere in the forum 'Ask Cryptic' thread). He said that the Romulans will have their prequel missions and at lvl 10 have a mission when they'll be asked to side with either KDF or Fed., but they'll have their own faction missions that can bring a Romulan char up to lvl 40. After that it's faction generic FEs/missions and content.
He also said that a Romulan char. that decided to ally with the KDF, will have the option to invite any KDF players to play the Romulan story missions together, but only the Romulan chars. will be able to recieve the faction specific rewards from finishing that mission.
I'd love to find that and quote for you, but the truth is I'm a bit lazy atm.
Well, not that they're not getting many story missions. Mr.Stahl said that (I think he posted it somewhere in the forum 'Ask Cryptic' thread). He said that the Romulans will have their prequel missions and at lvl 10 have a mission when they'll be asked to side with either KDF or Fed., but they'll have their own faction missions that can bring a Romulan char up to lvl 40. After that it's faction generic FEs/missions and content.
He also said that a Romulan char. that decided to ally with the KDF, will have the option to invite any KDF players to play the Romulan story missions together, but only the Romulan chars. will be able to recieve the faction specific rewards from finishing that mission.
That sounds fine to me... I'm curious as to where the problem is seen...
I am being 100% serious here... I'm confused where the problem there is...
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Hmm, well... I don't mind this too much actually. It's almost a full faction as far as I'm concerned. Several of the end episodes for the Federation (Around level 45-50-ISH, intermixed) are Featured-Episodes that are faction-agnostic.
But, I suppose I can see how, with all of these things adding up, it'd seem like a cop-out. But for me, I've been looking forward to the ROM faction for a long time, and this, for me, seems good enough.
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i am floored by this decision.
Makes about as much sense as releasing a game with a half faction and 3 years later that is all everyone is talking about but they still decide to release a whole new mmo thinking that nobody remembers.
Missions don't matter in that case, because you don't get any additional missions for joining a faction (unless I'm wrong). Now you do get ships. But I have no intention of using a Fed/Klink ship with my Romulan... there'd be no point in being a Romulan otherwise. Definitely going to use Rom-Only ships when I make my Romulan.
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I hope You realize that the only rational response to your post is...
...' BYE '...
... don't let the server door hit ya on the way out.
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Cryptic will not release as many rom ships and there are kdf ships. They just won't. And the entire point of the way ships are designed in this game is to make it feel "almost right" so you keep on buying new ships and get bored with your present ones.
So the more the ships, the better.
Missions. Yes the romulans will get the faction they chooses missions. You don't like a story? A purpose for your faction? Because playing a fed gives you that. You have so many unanswered questions for the kdf.
With the Romulans you had a perfect setup. The choice should not be Fed KDF but Empire or Republic. If money was a problem then do an in game option and find modders. that would free up your people for this while the modders could fix the bugs or the other way. The sad fact is the guys behind Star Trek Excalibur game our able to get better quality game. THEY TAKE THE TIME TO GET IT RIGHT. CRYPTIC LEARN.
Err, I do care about the story. I'm saying that I doubt Romulans get Fed or Klink missions by allying with that faction. You might get related-Romulan-specific missions in regards to the alliance, but they aren't just giving you the standard Fed/Klink missions. That was my point.
Nonetheless, I believe the Romulan-Faction is going to be rather booming. A lot of people have been waiting for it, and want to play it. And my guess is that Cryptic will infact release ships and whatnot for it. They'd be crazy not to; people will buy those ships off the market really quick-like.
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With the Romulans you had a perfect setup. The choice should not be Fed KDF but Empire or Republic. If money was a problem then do an in game option and find modders. that would free up your people for this while the modders could fix the bugs or the other way. The sad fact is the guys behind Star Trek Excalibur game our able to get better quality game. THEY TAKE THE TIME TO GET IT RIGHT. CRYPTIC LEARN.
What you are going through right now, is what I went through, during Season 5.
There's a lot of stuff you missed as well, such as new Doff missions, new exploration zone Doffs, Faction specific Social Zone staff and their lore/Vocabulary strings, etc. I think it was too much for them to do even with a copypasta, which in this particular case I would have been ok with. So what we got was in effect, a pseaduofacion that must in the end, become an ersatz KDF or FED character, albeit with different skins and perhaps ships.
I do think that Cryptic has dropped the ball on this one. Not as bad as it's been before, but the whole JOIN SIDES IN TEH WAR, is....... silly.
Playing As Intended (tm). I've mentioned it before, and this is the new way of doing bidness.
Money wasn't a problem - the problem is that Cryptic/PWE has no intention of making this game any more than it is - a two faction shop-front for lockbox shinies and C-Store TRIBBLE.
They've consistently proven that they care little for the players they have with the 1000-day Veteran debacle, no regard for small fleets, the EDC->Omega swindle, locking content and old rewards behind poorly implemented Rep Systems and squeezing the game economy.
They've also shown zero respect for the IP in saturating the game with inappropriate ships and by rewriting Trek into something that is nothing more than a parody of the shows.
All this new 'expansion' is, is an opportunity to grab some new players off the back of the new movie - current player-base be damned.
Hmmmmmm...
Teflon Dan's been saying that since Fleet starbases debuted. His track record with the KDF ain't exactly stellar either - believe what you want but if he told me the sky is blue I'd have to go look out the window to check. :rolleyes:
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Now quit being reasonable. It has no place in a forum thread.
It gives people choices as to how to play their characters, which opens up more possibilities and options for players. You can choose to help friends in other factions out with their missions or stick to your own faction's missions.
The ability to share is just that and has no bearing on whether they are "faction" missions or not.
Can I get a quote on the fact that Romulans aren't getting many story missions? Or that they're only get Fed/Klink missions after a certain level? Because I hadn't heard of this, and I'd like to know who said this.
Seems to be what you're implying.
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Dan said the Romulans will have unique story content to get them to lvl 40 - after that they'll have (just) the Featured Episodes - same as the KDF (Feddies have more than that).
As to how many missions that actually is? Who knows? We'll find out in due course. The KDF for example currently have 9 unique missions to get them from level 20-34 with the Devidian Arc a part of that (14 missions total for 14 levels).
Ideally you'd have 0.75 to 1.0 missions per level but that would suggest a minimum of 30 unique missions for the Romulans - that just seems way out of whack with what Cryptic are capable of producing so I really don't know.
The Romulan missions to lvl 40 are exclusive to Roms, but your faction 'allies' can be invited to play them with you (sans any Rom-specific rewards).
So, I'll go as far to say that Romulans will have 5 levels less worth of missions than Federation. And I'm fine with that. They're a new faction, and I'm just impressed that we're getting 40 levels worth of unique missions.
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I'd love to find that and quote for you, but the truth is I'm a bit lazy atm.
Well, not that they're not getting many story missions. Mr.Stahl said that (I think he posted it somewhere in the forum 'Ask Cryptic' thread). He said that the Romulans will have their prequel missions and at lvl 10 have a mission when they'll be asked to side with either KDF or Fed., but they'll have their own faction missions that can bring a Romulan char up to lvl 40. After that it's faction generic FEs/missions and content.
He also said that a Romulan char. that decided to ally with the KDF, will have the option to invite any KDF players to play the Romulan story missions together, but only the Romulan chars. will be able to recieve the faction specific rewards from finishing that mission.
That sounds fine to me... I'm curious as to where the problem is seen...
I am being 100% serious here... I'm confused where the problem there is...
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