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  • gong1fu1pandagong1fu1panda Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    So, the only Romulans we can play are de facto part of either Federation or Klingon Empire. What's next? Dominion joining either faction? Borg joining either faction and fighting other Borg?

    They could have easily introduced a new faction that is not reliant on anyone and still kept cross-faction content open to all three factions: The Borg threat is too dangerous to keep the Romulans out please join OMEGA ... etc. etc. But noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!! Just because WoW has that stupid 2 faction set up, it does not mean STO has to go the same way!
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    Also what some poster also fail to mention the Romulan faction has unique content till level 40 just like FEDs had at launch but not the KDF ever which makes it more than a half baked faction compared to the real half baked faction the Klingons.
    Compared to what the Romulans will be, the Klingons are more of a faction in that they'll have more ships, and they'll be more dependent. The people that are truly being screwed over here are those wanting to play as Romulans.
    What? Seriously? People are still complaining about the Klingons having less content than the KDF?
    There is something very wrong with this question. :P
    1) The KDF has been stated to be getting full 1-50 content.
    We all know they wont. We were also told that the Romulans would get full 1 - 50 content, and the dev team knew what we'd read when they wrote that. Alas, what they meant wasn't what they knew we'd think. The same will apply to the KDF. They may say more content, but it'll end up linked in with the Romulan **** some how.
    2) The Rommies get 1-10 level content and then get saddled with Fed or KDF content (probably with a few dialogue changes here and there).
    Quite possibly true.
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  • jermbotjermbot Member Posts: 801 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    In other words, the Fed-Klingon war is absurd. It makes no sense at all. It should have ended a long time ago. And this really only exemplifies just how flawed and absurd the whole thing is.

    Well, with all due respect, not exactly. The Klingons are still claiming a large swathe of Federation territory as theirs and until the Gorn are given the ability to decide if they want to remain a servant race in the Empire, we have to consider them an oppressed people.

    The war is very valid, it's just easy to forget that when it's so very rarely an issue.
    duaths1 wrote: »
    yeah, funny it was not adressed in the "ask cryptic" interview.. = you are probably right

    Romulan Unique quests absolutely were addressed in the "Ask Cryptic" interview. Romulans will have a faction exclusive quest chain and journal. It's been said these quest chains will involve them in the founding of New Romulus, these quests will unlock individual outfits, and it's been hinted at that these quest chains may let them choose the highly demanded IRW designation for your ship.

    It's also been said that Romulan captains will be given access to featured episodes during their storyline mission. Now I expect this means that Cloaked Intentions will be done early, so that Sela's disappearance can be a flashpoint for the development of New Romulus, and that Spectres and 2800 will happen after the dreaded "Allegiance mission."
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    What? Seriously? People are still complaining about the Klingons having less content than the KDF?

    1) The KDF has been stated to be getting full 1-50 content.

    2) The Rommies get 1-10 level content and then get saddled with Fed or KDF content (probably with a few dialogue changes here and there).

    3) Last I heard, the Klingon Emprie wasn't Divied up between two of its long time enemies, didn't have its own starbases, weren't sendign off their soldiers and ships to be killed on both sides of a war. Wren't reduced to a bunch of vulcan-wannabie hippies, and weren't gettign the Vorchas and brels stuck in lockboxes for every other faction to pilfer!

    Wrong they get their own story all the way till level 40 then after that star the FE...more than the KDF ever got at start and till this day.

    The only thing they don't get are the SINKS that players on these forums constantly complain about...instead they share thet with the KDF and FED factions.
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    dastahl wrote: »

    To answer some specific questions, Romulans will be asked to choose sides in the war by the time they are level 10. The exclusive Romulan storyline takes place in all of the new prequel episodes that have been made that will now end in and around the events that culminate in the Romulan Feature Episode series. Since we are moving around many of the levels of episodes with this expansion, we expect Romulan captains to be around level 40 when they finish their primary episodes (much like the Feds at launch). Note that for Romulans, most of the feature episode series have all been moved past this point. Thus the Devidians, Breen, and 2800 series all take place after the Romulan storyline. This also includes all of the Borg, Undine, STFS, Nukara, New Romulus and end game event content. So when we say that the alliance has an impact on end game, it is in reference to all of the level 40+ missions and end game content that exist for all factions. Instead of creating a 3rd set of queues, we're limiting it to the existing 2 sets and, at least for now, limiting Romulans to helping the Feds or KDF with their Starbase while the Feds and KDF help to build new Romulus. We will be adding more Fleet Holdings in the future and, as stated, Romulan Starbases have not been ruled out.

    As an MMO we can always evolve this in the future, but this is how it will be at launch on May 21. Again, you'll have a chance to see all of this in action when we put the update up for testing prior to May.


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  • redshirtthefirstredshirtthefirst Member Posts: 415 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I know it's not so fun for people wanting a full fledge 100% independent faction, but I can see the practical need for it. It seems they did not want to splinter even further fleets and spread the fleet population. After people 'raging' so much about being difficult to run a small fleet, they seem to do a mechanism that will help fleets, people are not happy.

    I see it much being a temporary crutch for the green faction to lean on before it can fly on its own (no punt intended). I do hope that it is their plans to roll out rom SB when fleets can support the system. However, it will be hard pressed to justify an embassy on their own homebase since that's what New Romulus will be.

    Last point, Dstahl did that that the rom faction will still remain its own faction with its theme, homebase, ships (that no one else can fly, even their allies) and so on. So it is not like they will "fold into" fed or KDF, just use their system/ressources to move on.
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  • sjokruhlicasjokruhlica Member Posts: 434 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    As much as I'm looking forward to the Romulan faction, I'm a bit disappointed at the "join UFP or KDF" concept. I was truly looking forward to an independent faction with their own bases, story lines, and whatnot. And I found the idea of 3 way free-for-alls in Ker'rat interesting. The idea that there will eventually be Romulans fighting each other on behest of two other powers, while they are attempting to rebuild their civilizaton, is one that doesn't make sense to me.

    That said, I'd like to put out a big thanks for the people who do the work to make this game possible.
  • duaths1duaths1 Member Posts: 1,232 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    my guess?

    they did want to catch the may JJ film release, but
    - weren't able to deliver a Starbase design/embassy in time

    - replenishing their resources by selling us not only Romulan ships and costumes, but also leading new people to buy the old faction ships in the Zen store (as romulans will have access to the faction ships, but not vice versa)

    - for every existing toon - a Romulan lockbox, perhaps a Suliban lockbox next

    - letting Romulans grind for a foreign fleet, then letting them grind once more in a couple of months for their own fleet holdings = also cash

    what will come next?

    june, july - debugging

    august - suliban lockbox

    september - Romulan fleet holdings incoming - brace for impact

    then, if Romulan model is a success = Cardassians in decebmer, or - ship revamp!
    - adding a warp drive slot, some universal slots, next tier of ships which will be just upgrades from the existing ones (fleet ship modules - 5EUR/ship at least)
  • catoblepasbetacatoblepasbeta Member Posts: 1,532 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    Wrong they get their own story all the way till level 40 then after that star the FE...more than the KDF ever got at start and till this day.

    The only thing they don't get are the SINKS that players on these forums constantly complain about...instead they share thet with the KDF and FED factions.
    Well lucky for you the Romulan faction episodes are not unique to the Romulan faction! In case you were not paying attention in the interview, you, as a KDf player can join a team with one of your Romulan buddies and paly through their episodes? How's that? Romulan faction is nothing mroe than a glorified expansion for the KDF and federation factions, its purpose is more to bring content to those factions than it is to establish the Romulans as an actual independent faction. it's an add-onn to the KDF, don't complain about the KDF having less content, because everything the Rommies have access to, the KDF has access to.
  • arcademasterarcademaster Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Borg joining either faction and fighting other Borg?

    Hugh and the liberated from Unimatrix Zero.

    You heard it here first.
  • jermbotjermbot Member Posts: 801 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Well...that's leaving out basically all of the controversy.....


    The Romulan Faction is not the Romulan Space Empire, despite said already existing in-game. Instead it is the Romulan Republic, led by D'tan. In addition to the Republic holdign few if any of the attributes beloved by many of the RSE, the player is forced to choose between the Federation and KDF at level 10, at which point they essentially become a member of that faction, being limited to their DOFFS and BOFFS and their starbases, ships, and PVP and PVE Queues. In addition, Romulan players will not have access to the RSE uniforms, or even the IRW prefix for their ships, meanwhile there are only three confirmed species (with an additional one, the Liberated borg, an obvious, but not yet confirmed choice) All but one of these options (the Romulans) are restricted, being unlocked by either the reputation system (Remans) or by having a Gold or lifetime subscription, severely limiting their options.

    How's that?

    Wow, so much wrong here. No, Vegeta's explanation was factual, yours seems to be half fantasy, and not the good kind of the fantasy, this is the kind of fantasy that leaves you smelling like used latex, sweat and urine.

    1. They never said who would run the Romulan Republic. Currently it's ran be D'Tan, we don't know who'll be in charge after the Romulan exclusive quests and expansion in May.

    2. The player is forced to choose an alliance with the Federation or Klingons yes, but that only effects PVP queu's. Which at level 10 is a bit of a waste anyway.

    3. Romulan players will have their own DOFFs and be able to pick up the Doffs of their allies.

    4. It has been stated that the Romulans will not have access to their ALLIES uniforms. So, they'd better be able to wear Romulan uniforms of they're going to be running around naked.

    5. The IRW prefix question was deflected because the answer would be a 'spoiler.' We don't actually know what will happen but we can be sure a Romulan exclusive mission is involved.

    and here are a few things that you've left out.

    Romulans will have their own ship choices. Including a faction exclusive class of ships, the "Warbird" which will have temporal core powers. I don't know how that's going to be any different than a big science vessel or cruiser, but I'm anxious to find out!

    Romulans will have their own uniforms. Some to be unlocked via the Z-Store, some to be unlocked through missions, some to start available for the character.

    Romulans will have their own quest log and quest chains. In that same vein, Romulans will have their own story arc that explains the founding and building of new Romulus.
  • tpalelenatpalelena Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I'll by happy with the Federation Romulans. :D
    Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
  • reximuzreximuz Member Posts: 1,172 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    jermbot wrote: »
    2. The player is forced to choose an alliance with the Federation or Klingons yes, but that only effects PVP queu's. Which at level 10 is a bit of a waste anyway.

    This is wrong, it also determines what other Romulan players you can join a fleet with.
  • tpalelenatpalelena Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    We already had liberated borgs for some time.
    Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
  • jermbotjermbot Member Posts: 801 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    tpalelena wrote: »
    We already had liberated borgs for some time.

    And they're fighting each other constantly.
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    reximuz wrote: »
    This is wrong, it also determines what other Romulan players you can join a fleet with.

    You can join a Fed fleet if you choose the fed side, KDF if you choose a KDF...and a Romulan fleet but only for romulans like how it use to be before Starbases...just a bunch of dudes hanging out putting stuff in banks enjoying the game...before things got complicated with sinks.
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  • emacsheadroomemacsheadroom Member Posts: 994 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Confirming gong1fu1panda's purpose is to blast out personal opinions about the direction of the game in the name of righteousness, as if they were edicts from on high.
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    In before the merge
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  • fovrelfovrel Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    We, the People, uh ... the players could take control, simply, by all agreeing to chose just one faction and one faction only.

    What side would a Romulan chose, supposed he/she was forced to make such a choice. We can agree that it is much better to stay united among ourselves then to divide ourselves between two parties that are hostile and distrustful toward each other.

    My stance is, because D'Tan is a diplomat, educated by Spock, to chose Federation. Obisek, the Reman, is a soldier. The Reman will side with the KDF.

    That is what I am going to do, roll a Romulan, side with the FED and roll a Reman and side with the KDF.
  • tpalelenatpalelena Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    fovrel wrote: »
    We, the People, uh ... the players could take control, simply, by all agreeing to chose just one faction and one faction only.

    What side would a Romulan chose, supposed he/she was forced to make such a choice. We can agree that it is much better to stay united among ourselves then to divide ourselves between two parties that are hostile and distrustful toward each other.

    My stance is, because D'Tan is a diplomat, educated by Spock, to chose Federation. Obisek, the Reman, is a soldier. The Reman will side with the KDF.

    That is what I am going to do, roll a Romulan, side with the FED and roll a Reman and side with the KDF.


    You do make sense there.
    Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
  • catoblepasbetacatoblepasbeta Member Posts: 1,532 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    jermbot wrote: »
    Wow, so much wrong here. No, Vegeta's explanation was factual, yours seems to be half fantasy, and not the good kind of the fantasy, this is the kind of fantasy that leaves you smelling like used latex, sweat and urine.

    1. They never said who would run the Romulan Republic. Currently it's ran be D'Tan, we don't know who'll be in charge after the Romulan exclusive quests and expansion in May.

    2. The player is forced to choose an alliance with the Federation or Klingons yes, but that only effects PVP queu's. Which at level 10 is a bit of a waste anyway.

    3. Romulan players will have their own DOFFs and be able to pick up the Doffs of their allies.

    4. It has been stated that the Romulans will not have access to their ALLIES uniforms. So, they'd better be able to wear Romulan uniforms of they're going to be running around naked.

    5. The IRW prefix question was deflected because the answer would be a 'spoiler.' We don't actually know what will happen but we can be sure a Romulan exclusive mission is involved.

    and here are a few things that you've left out.

    Romulans will have their own ship choices. Including a faction exclusive class of ships, the "Warbird" which will have temporal core powers. I don't know how that's going to be any different than a big science vessel or cruiser, but I'm anxious to find out!

    Romulans will have their own uniforms. Some to be unlocked via the Z-Store, some to be unlocked through missions, some to start available for the character.

    Romulans will have their own quest log and quest chains. In that same vein, Romulans will have their own story arc that explains the founding and building of new Romulus.
    Oh look, here come the personal attacks, I already knwo you don't have anything of value to contribute.

    1) Considering he's in charge when level 50 Klingon and fed players meet him for the first time, it's safe to assume he is the RR leader.

    2) No it does not only affect that, you obviously have not been listening. Romulans get the ships of whomever they ally with. They can only join starbases of whomever the ally with. Ditto for basically everything else that matters.

    3) Romulan DOFFS are being added to existing packs and faction packs. Nothing has been said on what DOFFS they have by default, but consdiering you have to choose at level 10...yeah.

    4) They have those awful winter coat jackets, and access to Uniform variants unique to whatever faction they join. So yes, they will have FED/KDF uniforms in the same manner as Naucassians have access to KDF uniforms. Ever try to put your Diplomacy Naucassian in a federation uniform? That's because the Naucassian uniform is KDF-specific. Same deal here. There are Romulan-Klingon uniforms and Fed-Rommie uniforms.

    5) Wrong. Flat-Out Wrong. "Dstahl: At launch, Romulan captains will be assigned the R.R.W. prefix and are intended to play as part of the Republic. Players will not be able to join the Tal Shiar or officially designate themselves as I.R.W. at launch but any more details would be spoiler material." Taking it out of context. We are not allowed to label our ships IRW.

    Crypric has mentioned that they want to add Romulan ships in lockboxes, available to all factions. Not exactly faction exclusive now, is it?

    And what we have seen so far for uniforms isn't exactly inspiring.

    ....So? Why should I care about these Romulans? They have emntioned that the existing episodes are being made available to Romulans, so don't expect anything too unique? Perhaps we will be able help drive back the fek'hri hordes as a Romulan? That was awkward enough as an Orion or Gorn.
  • scififan78scififan78 Member Posts: 1,383 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Now we see who the true Romulans are. There are those who profess to be Romulan but fail to see the brilliance of this. The RSE will "splinter" and ally with the KDF and FED. We will work to continue to destabilize their restraint towards open war. When their weapons come full bore on each other, the RSE fleet will decloak above New Romulus. D'Tan and Obisek will die of treason. When the Federation and Empire arrive with their splintered allies, we will bring our weapons to bare and cripple their war machines. Earth and Q'onos will be vulderable. The promise to the Hedgemony of their ancestral territories will further weaken the KDF. The true might of the RSE will be revealed and they will look up from their knees at their new masters!!

    LONG LIVE ROMULUS!!!!
  • jermbotjermbot Member Posts: 801 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    Oh look, here come the personal attacks, I already knwo you don't have anything of value to contribute.

    Not a personal attack, I attacked your work, not your person. Given that your work is TRIBBLE poor, it's deserved.
    1) Considering he's in charge when level 50 Klingon and fed players meet him for the first time, it's safe to assume he is the RR leader.

    So you assume. Thank you, now consider whether your assumption belongs in a summary of what we know.
    2) No it does not only affect that, you obviously have not been listening. Romulans get the ships of whomever they ally with. They can only join starbases of whomever the ally with. Ditto for basically everything else that matters.

    And Romulans get faction exclusive ships, this is more choices, not limits. Yes, they can't build their own starbases. As for "Ditto," no, I'm sorry, there is no 'ditto for basically everything else that matters.' Don't take this as a personal attack, but that's being lazy because you can't make an argument.
    3) Romulan DOFFS are being added to existing packs and faction packs. Nothing has been said on what DOFFS they have by default, but consdiering you have to choose at level 10...yeah.

    Okay fair point. But given that you're able to recruit all of your own factions DOFFs without opening a single pack, you're assuming again. Like I said, your doom-and-gloom fantasies don't belong in a summary of what we know.
    4) They have those awful winter coat jackets, and access to Uniform variants unique to whatever faction they join. So yes, they will have FED/KDF uniforms in the same manner as Naucassians have access to KDF uniforms. Ever try to put your Diplomacy Naucassian in a federation uniform? That's because the Naucassian uniform is KDF-specific. Same deal here. There are Romulan-Klingon uniforms and Fed-Rommie uniforms.

    You're wrong.
    While Romulans can?t wear the actual uniform of their ally, they do gain unique costume options, such as a Romulan Republic/Klingon Uniform variant, for example.

    They're not going to wear the "actual uniform of their ally" which means either this game gets rated M for Green Boobies, or they have their own uniforms.
    5) Wrong. Flat-Out Wrong. "Dstahl: At launch, Romulan captains will be assigned the R.R.W. prefix and are intended to play as part of the Republic. Players will not be able to join the Tal Shiar or officially designate themselves as I.R.W. at launch but any more details would be spoiler material." Taking it out of context. We are not allowed to label our ships IRW.

    And putting it back into context we would read that quote as "We are not allowed to label our ships IRW at launch. After launch, who knows what could happen?" Since the answer to that is "not you or I" this amounts to another assumption.
    Crypric has mentioned that they want to add Romulan ships in lockboxes, available to all factions. Not exactly faction exclusive now, is it?

    They haven't mentioned which types or kinds. So again, your doom-and-gloom ASSumption does not belong here.
    And what we have seen so far for uniforms isn't exactly inspiring.

    Matters of personal taste also hold no relevance to what the OP was asking for.
    ....So? Why should I care about these Romulans? They have emntioned that the existing episodes are being made available to Romulans, so don't expect anything too unique? Perhaps we will be able help drive back the fek'hri hordes as a Romulan? That was awkward enough as an Orion or Gorn.

    They mentioned most of the existing Featured Episodes will be made available to Romulans at about level 40. Anything before level 40 is something maybe you should be excited about.

    Or maybe not, I don't care. It'll take 2 months for you to realize how badly you've misinterpreted what they've said, and by that point neither of us will remember this conversation.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    fovrel wrote: »
    That is what I am going to do, roll a Romulan, side with the FED and roll a Reman and side with the KDF.
    Except that, from what I understand, you will not be able to start as a Reman. They're Reputation Unlocks.
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  • fovrelfovrel Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    flash525 wrote: »
    Except that, from what I understand, you will not be able to start as a Reman. They're Reputation Unlocks.

    ... or available for purchase. I am not sure if that is Zen Store (I suppose it is). Anyway it doesn't make sense to have it both, a reputation unlock and Zen Store purchase.

    Funny situation. Roll a Romulan, level to 50, start reputation, unlock Remans. Or, buy it in the Zen store ... with Zen you bought on the exchange for dilithium, you grinded with your Romulan character while leveling. I expect the cost of a playable Reman Zen store purchase for 600 Zen, just like Caitian and Fed Klingons.

    Another thing. Since Romulans have to chose a side. Will it be possible to make a new choice, to reside with the other faction. Probably not, because, well, they are game characters afterall. Hell will freeze over when they could be played with a mind of their own, a free will.
  • lordinsanelordinsane Member Posts: 274 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    flash525 wrote: »
    Except that, from what I understand, you will not be able to start as a Reman. They're Reputation Unlocks.
    Account-wide unlocks, though, so you would seem to be able to start as a Reman if you've grinded up to whatever tier they unlock the Remans on before May 21th.
    Or purchasing them, I suppose, that's apparently also going to be an option.
  • balordezulbalordezul Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    The fact about the romulan faction is still very lame I would have take a clone of the KDF over what we are getting.

    Romulans still could have worked with an alliance systems set by fleets without having to join Fed or KDF.

    No Romulan fleet gear is going to be lame YAY phasers for everyone!

    MMOs worked before WoW and the two faction system is just the most common but the multi-faction system works just fine. Open up an alliance network that lets you to work across factions just like the old days where it was community based.

    Plus I'm sorry but only a very small part of the player base even pvps we have no reason to be stuck with 2 faction system. STO is about Trek, story and pve because there is another game out there that will always do better space pvp.

    I vote make Romulans a true faction and it was something I was willing to pay for as a lifetimer and someone that buys zen/spends money on the C-store I was willing to show my support. Sadly my money is there but your product is not.

    Step it up cryptic, first monster play for KDF and now space pandas for Romulans.
  • fovrelfovrel Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    lordinsane wrote: »
    Account-wide unlocks, though, so you would seem to be able to start as a Reman if you've grinded up to whatever tier they unlock the Remans on before May 21th.
    Or purchasing them, I suppose, that's apparently also going to be an option.

    If that is the case I have several characters at Tier V for Romulan reputation. Who is going to buy it ever in the Zen Store? Going to get Rom marks though. We must be prepared, there might be a Tier VI.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I don't think the playable Reman option is going to be as straight-forward as we all believe it to be.
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  • captrott1captrott1 Member Posts: 113 Arc User
    edited March 2013
    I guess a lot depends on how this selection between Alliances plays out and what purpose it serves.

    For all we know, it may represent a bit of an internal struggle within the fledgling Romulan Republic. Perhaps those that side with KDF are sympathetic to the Tal'Shair still. Remember the House of Duras leads the High Council and that family has ties to the Tal'Shair.

    There could be legitimate story reasons why the selection of alliances is occurring.
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