And people thought KDF players were whinners.... green tears seem thicker...
TBH, this is a full faction... no SB (yet), so what? You will have access to all the equipment of your ALLY faction (note the word 'ally'). Wait until Feds and KDF complains they cannot have their hands on romulan gear and you will be all up in arms to keep their hands off them...
Just saying...
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It's not a full faction, in case you have not been paying attention very well...all of our content is available to FEDS/KDF and vica verca through starbases, lockboxes, and episode sharing, we have no starbases or fleets of our own, and there is indication that past level 10 most of our content will be KDF/FED episode recycles, meanwhile the Romulans themselves have been perverted and shoehorned into a roel in which they ill-fit.
If Romulan Tears seem thicker than Klingon, it's because the KDF has not been screwed over nearly as badly as the Romulans have been by their 'faction'
It's not a full faction, in case you have not been paying attention very well...all of our content is available to FEDS/KDF and vica verca through starbases, lockboxes, and episode sharing, we have no starbases or fleets of our own, and there is indication that past level 10 most of our content will be KDF/FED episode recycles, meanwhile the Romulans themselves have been perverted and shoehorned into a roel in which they ill-fit.
If Romulan Tears seem thicker than Klingon, it's because the KDF has not been screwed over nearly as badly as the Romulans have been by their 'faction'
Have you played a kdf? Giving the romulans the "option" of joining that joke is hilarious.
I doubt that what you edited in will actually be the case. I'm not expecting much in the way of actual Romulan missions as opposed to recycles past the split.
Instead of being given missions by Starfleet admirals, you'll get some Romulan talking head with a slightly altered text to reflect your Romulusness and voila, you have your brand new story.
Rule of Acquisition number 239: Never be afraid to mislabel a product.
I have read some of these posts but I was not going to read all the way from page 35 to 45. To clear up some incorrect claims. First Klingon houses Waring against each other is right down the line with lore of star trek. Romulans however do not war on a grand scale with fleets at each others throats. They do how ever from time to time, quietly in the shadows, assassinate rivals. Or they destroy them politically. What we do not see them doing, is getting a fleet of warbirds, and destroying another fleet of warbirds.
To be frank this entire set up is counter to the Romulan way. If they want this expansion to be the shining achievement of sto, then they better take a hard look at what the majority wants. Its real simple to play a Romulan faction, that is NOT reliant on another faction. Before they announced there setup most players like myself were wishing we could play as the star empire. Then the news came, and it was the worse possible news. Here play a half faction that is reliant on the Federation, or the Klingons for surivial. A romulan would never ever sit down for that, or go along with that. Neither would a reman. The so called leader of the remans, even admits in the story of sto, that he does not speak for ALL remans, but only a group of remans.
Lets not forget that the Romulans are the emotional, violent off shoot of the vulcan people. The vulcans in star trek, have time and time again said that they put away their emotions because they were too dangerous as a people when they embraced those emotions. Heck they nearly destroyed their own homeworld when they embraced emotions. A Romulan after everything thats happened would be one thing. Angry very angry, and seeking vengance. They would NOT be seeking peace, or to become a servant of the Federation/Klingons.
I am thinking they can make it as weak as they want people will still play it out of the love for star trek - exactly like everything else in the game.
But weren't we all kind of expecting them to re-use old missions and skip some vital features?
So far the ship models look okay but mostly everything else isn't going so well I think.
Even the promotion itself, people posting about it on the forum weeks ahead of time and later it gets leaked on the german site.
It just doesn't seem so well planned and controlled it's all somewhat disturbing.
To me it's as much as having to have a starbase for the rom faction or 3-way pvp as it's about the symbolic nature of making romulans a sub race.
It totally reminds me of when season 7 was made based off "saving 60 % time", which of course no one ever did.
They didn't have to make that promise just like they didn't have to come out and call it a faction which it's not.
If Romulan Tears seem thicker than Klingon, it's because the KDF has not been screwed over nearly as badly as the Romulans have been by their 'faction'
Well, it's true. Everything we know so far seems to indicate exactly that. Romulans are even less of a faction than the KDF-worse they are mreo of an expansion in content to the FED/KDF factions than they are a proper faction in their own right.
You know, the more I think about it the more I think I realize why Cryptic came up with this idea plotwise and why they aren't bothered by the storyline ramifications of having the Romulan Republic joining both sides.
The fact is that each Captain, each player, is the only story canon to that player. There's no universal plot we're all playing. So, if your Captain chooses to join the Federation, that's what the Republic does in your self-contained little story. Same with the Klingons PvP isn't part of the 'story' in Cryptic's eyes so whatever you choose to do is what happens.
I suppose they'll keep writing up a Romulan mission arc and pushing their main story and keep if 'faction agnostic' so that the idea of the Republic blowing itself apart never even enters into things. It's kind of lazy, IMHO, but then it's what I've come to expect.
You know, the more I think about it the more I think I realize why Cryptic came up with this idea plotwise and why they aren't bothered by the storyline ramifications of having the Romulan Republic joining both sides.
The fact is that each Captain, each player, is the only story canon to that player. There's no universal plot we're all playing. So, if your Captain chooses to join the Federation, that's what the Republic does in your self-contained little story. Same with the Klingons PvP isn't part of the 'story' in Cryptic's eyes so whatever you choose to do is what happens.
I suppose they'll keep writing up a Romulan mission arc and pushing their main story and keep if 'faction agnostic' so that the idea of the Republic blowing itself apart never even enters into things. It's kind of lazy, IMHO, but then it's what I've come to expect.
If that were the case however, then why does trying to arest Obisek, getting the delgates at the borg conference to agree, or promising to put a good word in for the Eugenics guy at the Federation Prsion affect the story in exactly zero way? The plot is already as homogenized and sterilized as can be...I'm not sure this may be the case, if past history is anythign to be judged by.
I can tell you this now, I will not be setting foot on Qo'nos or the shipyard unless absolutely necessary. If I need to get a new ship or doffs or something I will truck all the way out to DS9. At least Romulans on DS9 is at least plausible in Trek.
If that were the case however, then why does trying to arest Obisek, getting the delgates at the borg conference to agree, or promising to put a good word in for the Eugenics guy at the Federation Prsion affect the story in exactly zero way? The plot is already as homogenized and sterilized as can be...I'm not sure this may be the case, if past history is anythign to be judged by.
That's kind of what I'm saying. Your Captain's story and the little stories they throw out are all the exists. They've got some overarching story they're doing and so only little in-mission things matter. It won't matter what your Captain chooses because Cryptic is writing the story of the Romulan Republic so as far as they're concerned there's no Fed Romulan vs Klingon Romulan PvP is just there to keep players entertained and won't affect the story at all.
Since when are fleets and starbases a criterion for a Faction in-game?
It was obviously that the devs couldn't do everything at once.
The problem is that the way they ARE doing it precludes Romulan fleets and starbases from ever happening. Cryptic is not going to finish the Romulan faction and then undo the whole "alliance" thing. They're not going to pull Romulan characters out of Fed/KDF fleets.
Not to mention that it just wouldn't be difficult to add a Romulan component to things like Task Force Omega now.
If they don't do it now, they're not going to do it. And they're not going to do it now.
I hope that TRIBBLE about alliance is 1th April joke(IT IS BAD JOKE):eek:
LoR should to be about rebuilding Romulan Star Empire,liberating Donatra from borg collective ,confronting Sela & madness of Tal Shiar,claiming Vulcan as new romulan homeworld...
So, let me get this straight... the Romulans are soo weak.. and their numbers have fallen soo much that they are willing to side up lifelong mortal enemies and just forget the past 1000 years of war and strife, as well as throw away their culture of xenophobia, paranoia and distrust?-
As well as completely change and swap out society and even their very doctrine? Okay, if they were desperate enough to save their race and preserve their dwindling numbers to do all of this, I guess I can get on board.
BUT
If that is true, then WHY, I must ask, are they now going to war with one another after picking sides <fed or Klingon> and killing each other off if it was in fact a necessity to accomplish the opposite and in effect stay alive.. that prompted this radical change in the first place? I am very confused.
Confused Romulan- "Our race was very nearly destroyed, we need to survive, and the only way to do this is with powerful allies..... I got a great idea!... lets join a war we have no part or business in, join opposing sides and start killing one another!" "While we are at it, lets give the whole entire galaxy free access to all of our technology and very few remaining resources!!" "We can also hand out the remaining warships we have in our decimated fleet to every other big headed purple alien we can find!"
I dont know the name of whatever IDIOT Romulan leader/president/commander came up with this idea, but he needs to be fired.
I dont know the name of whatever IDIOT Romulan leader/president/commander came up with this idea, but he needs to be fired.
I can get behind the idea of spacing D'Tan out an airlock, perhaps then we can get a REAL Romulan in charge. Long Live Empress Sela! Long Live the RSE!
I can get behind the idea of spacing D'Tan out an airlock, perhaps then we can get a REAL Romulan in charge. Long Live Empress Sela! Long Live the RSE!
can I beam him back in to only push him out again?????? if so where dose the line start?????
If you don't do PVP, you are not shooting at your fellow Romulans.
Also, the Romulan storyline is the prequel to the new romulus part.
Consider that we start out already fighting the rightful rulers of the RSE, and yes, we are shooting up Romulans even before we make the choice, weakening the Romulans as a cohesive group in this time of trouble. Only to divide into two lines of refugees for our two bitterest rivals so we can join their armadas and kill each other again, without even the context of helping our cause, since we will be working for the KDF/FED at that point.
Consider that we start out already fighting the rightful rulers of the RSE, and yes, we are shooting up Romulans even before we make the choice, weakening the Romulans as a cohesive group in this time of trouble. Only to divide into two lines of refugees for our two bitterest rivals so we can join their armadas and kill each other again, without even the context of helping our cause, since we will be working for the KDF/FED at that point.
I honestly think that the Romulans joining the Federation is the most "canon friendly" option. That is what Star Trek and the Federation is all about.
The good guys win. This is a franchise that is built upon that philosophy.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
I honestly think that the Romulans joining the Federation is the most "canon friendly" option. That is what Star Trek and the Federation is all about.
The good guys win. This is a franchise that is built upon that philosophy.
Then consider that they never truly had the Klingons or Romulans or Cardassians join the Federation. They hinted at it pleanty, but it never happened, because a Star Trek universe where everyone lives in perfect harmony and nothing bad ever happens has zero appeal whatsoever as something to watch, only as something to be strived for. A Trek Universe where everyone is Federation is bland and flavorless.
I do agree that the Feds are the more logical choice however, considering D'Tan was put in charge. I can't imagine why he would ally with the Klingons when reunification with the Vulcans is within arms reach.
Then consider that they never truly had the Klingons or Romulans or Cardassians join the Federation. They hinted at it pleanty, but it never happened, because a Star Trek universe where everyone lives in perfect harmony and nothing bad ever happens has zero appeal whatsoever as something to watch, only as something to be strived for. A Trek Universe where everyone is Federation is bland and flavorless.
I do agree that the Feds are the more logical choice however, considering D'Tan was put in charge. I can't imagine why he would ally with the Klingons when reunification with the Vulcans is within arms reach.
That is all true.
And I'm planning on trying it out as the new shiny.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
It's because this is something new and shiney that will throw off attention from the real problems that plague this game. This move will shut a lot of people up.
I understand your point.. I don't get it either.. But.. none the less.. I shall make one! :P LOL
I do agree that the Feds are the more logical choice however, considering D'Tan was put in charge. I can't imagine why he would ally with the Klingons when reunification with the Vulcans is within arms reach.
don't forget to add them same very Vulcans that D'Tan cares...... so much for but them same Vulcans refused to help save Romulus but he wants his fellow romulans to be just like them...... sorry but any one still really romulan has a blade with his backs name on it
don't forget to add them same very Vulcans that D'Tan cares...... so much for but them same Vulcans refused to help save Romulus but he wants his fellow romulans to be just like them...... sorry but any one still really romulan has a blade with his backs name on it
Of course. I was only mentioning it because a D'tan-Fed alliance makes the most sense given he is a reunificationist. I still believe that he is a horrible choice for the head of the Romulan faction and that we would be better off with Tomalak, Sela, or any other number of Romulans in charge. We should feed him to a Horta.
I can get behind the idea of spacing D'Tan out an airlock, perhaps then we can get a REAL Romulan in charge. Long Live Empress Sela! Long Live the RSE!
I swear I won't be posting on yet another similar thread, I just had to say that I personally, find the words REAL Romulan & Sela in the same sentence extremely hillarious.
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If Romulan Tears seem thicker than Klingon, it's because the KDF has not been screwed over nearly as badly as the Romulans have been by their 'faction'
I hope KDF gets enough Romulans to make it a whole faction.
Have you played a kdf? Giving the romulans the "option" of joining that joke is hilarious.
Rule of Acquisition number 239: Never be afraid to mislabel a product.
To be frank this entire set up is counter to the Romulan way. If they want this expansion to be the shining achievement of sto, then they better take a hard look at what the majority wants. Its real simple to play a Romulan faction, that is NOT reliant on another faction. Before they announced there setup most players like myself were wishing we could play as the star empire. Then the news came, and it was the worse possible news. Here play a half faction that is reliant on the Federation, or the Klingons for surivial. A romulan would never ever sit down for that, or go along with that. Neither would a reman. The so called leader of the remans, even admits in the story of sto, that he does not speak for ALL remans, but only a group of remans.
Lets not forget that the Romulans are the emotional, violent off shoot of the vulcan people. The vulcans in star trek, have time and time again said that they put away their emotions because they were too dangerous as a people when they embraced those emotions. Heck they nearly destroyed their own homeworld when they embraced emotions. A Romulan after everything thats happened would be one thing. Angry very angry, and seeking vengance. They would NOT be seeking peace, or to become a servant of the Federation/Klingons.
But weren't we all kind of expecting them to re-use old missions and skip some vital features?
So far the ship models look okay but mostly everything else isn't going so well I think.
Even the promotion itself, people posting about it on the forum weeks ahead of time and later it gets leaked on the german site.
It just doesn't seem so well planned and controlled it's all somewhat disturbing.
To me it's as much as having to have a starbase for the rom faction or 3-way pvp as it's about the symbolic nature of making romulans a sub race.
It totally reminds me of when season 7 was made based off "saving 60 % time", which of course no one ever did.
They didn't have to make that promise just like they didn't have to come out and call it a faction which it's not.
Sorry, this line cracked me up...
The fact is that each Captain, each player, is the only story canon to that player. There's no universal plot we're all playing. So, if your Captain chooses to join the Federation, that's what the Republic does in your self-contained little story. Same with the Klingons PvP isn't part of the 'story' in Cryptic's eyes so whatever you choose to do is what happens.
I suppose they'll keep writing up a Romulan mission arc and pushing their main story and keep if 'faction agnostic' so that the idea of the Republic blowing itself apart never even enters into things. It's kind of lazy, IMHO, but then it's what I've come to expect.
That's kind of what I'm saying. Your Captain's story and the little stories they throw out are all the exists. They've got some overarching story they're doing and so only little in-mission things matter. It won't matter what your Captain chooses because Cryptic is writing the story of the Romulan Republic so as far as they're concerned there's no Fed Romulan vs Klingon Romulan PvP is just there to keep players entertained and won't affect the story at all.
The problem is that the way they ARE doing it precludes Romulan fleets and starbases from ever happening. Cryptic is not going to finish the Romulan faction and then undo the whole "alliance" thing. They're not going to pull Romulan characters out of Fed/KDF fleets.
Not to mention that it just wouldn't be difficult to add a Romulan component to things like Task Force Omega now.
If they don't do it now, they're not going to do it. And they're not going to do it now.
As well as completely change and swap out society and even their very doctrine? Okay, if they were desperate enough to save their race and preserve their dwindling numbers to do all of this, I guess I can get on board.
BUT
If that is true, then WHY, I must ask, are they now going to war with one another after picking sides <fed or Klingon> and killing each other off if it was in fact a necessity to accomplish the opposite and in effect stay alive.. that prompted this radical change in the first place? I am very confused.
Confused Romulan- "Our race was very nearly destroyed, we need to survive, and the only way to do this is with powerful allies..... I got a great idea!... lets join a war we have no part or business in, join opposing sides and start killing one another!" "While we are at it, lets give the whole entire galaxy free access to all of our technology and very few remaining resources!!" "We can also hand out the remaining warships we have in our decimated fleet to every other big headed purple alien we can find!"
I dont know the name of whatever IDIOT Romulan leader/president/commander came up with this idea, but he needs to be fired.
Yeah, that's right.
I can get behind the idea of spacing D'Tan out an airlock, perhaps then we can get a REAL Romulan in charge. Long Live Empress Sela! Long Live the RSE!
Also, the Romulan storyline is the prequel to the new romulus part.
can I beam him back in to only push him out again?????? if so where dose the line start?????
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I honestly think that the Romulans joining the Federation is the most "canon friendly" option. That is what Star Trek and the Federation is all about.
The good guys win. This is a franchise that is built upon that philosophy.
I got to ask did you plan to play a rom as a main or a ALT for doffing to get that max quota of dill or just to play the new shiny?
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I do agree that the Feds are the more logical choice however, considering D'Tan was put in charge. I can't imagine why he would ally with the Klingons when reunification with the Vulcans is within arms reach.
That is all true.
And I'm planning on trying it out as the new shiny.
I understand your point.. I don't get it either.. But.. none the less.. I shall make one! :P LOL
don't forget to add them same very Vulcans that D'Tan cares...... so much for but them same Vulcans refused to help save Romulus but he wants his fellow romulans to be just like them...... sorry but any one still really romulan has a blade with his backs name on it
system Lord Baal is dead
I swear I won't be posting on yet another similar thread, I just had to say that I personally, find the words REAL Romulan & Sela in the same sentence extremely hillarious.
lmfao this but im more for president roslin ide to handle cylon's ......... out the air lock with him !!!!!
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