If you had it your way, we still wouldn't have any dilithium rewards in STFs.
If I had my way we'd be getting 50 fleet marks every 30 minutes from the foundry, dilithium from PvP and STFs but if the devs haven't responded to this thread after 200 some posts their not going to. I could do without this painful reminder constantly coming up in "today's posts" of the long road to tier 2 for my alt fleet using only commendation reports for fleet marks.
Given the scale of discontent that's being expressed here, I do find it staggering that Dan's first post on this forum today was on what should be considered 'canon' in STO??
I appreciate that the feelings expressed in this thread require a careful and considered response, but until such a time as Stahl's ready to address this, surely any engagement with the community on unrelated issues is just furthering the impression that Cryptic don't give a damn?
Whatever Dan's credentials are as an Executive Producer, he's hopeless at PR.
Oh, and in another 67 posts we're the 7th most commented subject in the news section since beta - don't stop now
I've got two questions, though. Honest questions, not meant as trolling or anything, just wondering.
1: Were fleet marks really the choke point in any but the smallest fleets? I've got a bunch of characters, spread across 5 different fleets, and in all of them the projects seem to stall on dilithium (and in some cases doff) contributions. I can't remember the last time I was in time to actually contribute fleet marks...
2: Wouldn't this be a boost to the Klingon queued fleet events? I mean, those seemed pretty dead...
Then again, I tended to agree with FM's being out of place in the IOR wrapper, so what do I know :P
If I had my way we'd be getting 50 fleet marks every 30 minutes from the foundry, dilithium from PvP and STFs but if the devs haven't responded to this thread after 200 some posts their not going to. I could do without this painful reminder constantly coming up in "today's posts" of the long road to tier 2 for my alt fleet using only commendation reports for fleet marks.
Stop being defeatist. It worked for the STF and it will work here if we keep the faith and fight the good fight (big-ups to you Fallout 3 players )
If you don't want to be reminded, don't read thread, and don't post in it. It's that simple.
Post if you are for the change, or post if you are against the change, but we don't need any "close the thread because I want it closed" attitudes here.
I've got two questions, though. Honest questions, not meant as trolling or anything, just wondering.
1: Were fleet marks really the choke point in any but the smallest fleets? I've got a bunch of characters, spread across 5 different fleets, and in all of them the projects seem to stall on dilithium (and in some cases doff) contributions. I can't remember the last time I was in time to actually contribute fleet marks...
2: Wouldn't this be a boost to the Klingon queued fleet events? I mean, those seemed pretty dead...
Then again, I tended to agree with FM's being out of place in the IOR wrapper, so what do I know :P
1) It really depended on the fleet on what their defieciency was. It is funny you bring up being short on dilithium. The devs want players to have more dilithium, yet they keep the refinment cap in place. The thing with the fleet marks was that having it attached to Foundry meant we could do something else beside grind the same content over and over again. Now it's back to the same stale content for the same meager rewards compared to the time investment.
2) The opposite has happened according to KDF players. They have far less of a population than Feds, and were hurting for players for qued events. Now, KDF players have reported they still have a long wait to get into a que, and have reported a sharp rise of AFKers.
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
Stop being defeatist. It worked for the STF and it will work here if we keep the faith and fight the good fight (big-ups to you Fallout 3 players )
We're finding that with our 'Disenchanted' campaign - the players we speak to either join us or say Cryptic doesn't give a damn - it's doesn't matter what we do.
Is that really how Cryptic wants its customers to think of it?
I've got two questions, though. Honest questions, not meant as trolling or anything, just wondering.
1: Were fleet marks really the choke point in any but the smallest fleets? I've got a bunch of characters, spread across 5 different fleets, and in all of them the projects seem to stall on dilithium (and in some cases doff) contributions. I can't remember the last time I was in time to actually contribute fleet marks...
2: Wouldn't this be a boost to the Klingon queued fleet events? I mean, those seemed pretty dead...
Then again, I tended to agree with FM's being out of place in the IOR wrapper, so what do I know :P
I can't speak to your question #2 because my Klingon character has never gotten around to joining a fleet or running fleet events klink-side, but I can speak to your question #1.
For my 6-player fleet (The Anti-Social Fleet of One) the roadblock has never been fleet marks, but has always been dilithium.
Why?
Because we can grit our teeth and do the fleet alert-starbase incursion-colony invasion loop over and over for marks, but no matter what, we will not be able to refine more than 8,000 ore.
We are doing the Tier III SB upgrade project now. Requires 10,000 FM and 640,000 Refined Dilithium. Even if 3 of the 6 fleet guys gave every scrap of their refined daily dilithium to the base, it'd take 50 days to refine that much.
Don't think that I am happy about the removal of the IOR marks without them implementing an increase in FMs in some other way, but I find the refining cap to be a bigger roadblock to progression than the fleet marks.
I just wish the grind for the paltry amount of fleet marks we earn wasn't so horribly dull.
Is that really how Cryptic wants its customers to think of it?
I think some are viewing this as a sort of "litmus test" for Cryptic as to how they will handle this situation. Does Cryptic genuinely care about the player? Will they do something to show we matter? Are their priorities showing that they do want this game to be enjoyable? Do they give a damn?
Considering that since this has started all we've gotten is a preview of new shinnies to do what we've been doing for three years and a post asking for Harlem shake videos, well some of those questions are being answered.
No one is really expecting a quick or even an overnight solution, but the way this is being handled is showing apathy towards the customers.
Why should I continue to spend money on a product that the developer doesn't seem to care much about?
I'm willing to at least see what transpires in May with the "it's so secret we can't give any details or else global security will be threatened" content update, but after that I might leave permanently if that super patch releases in the state most of their patches have released in.
Cryptic, use the tribble server. If it is such a secret then pick random people, have them sign a non-disclosure agreement, and begin testing 1-2 months in advance. We need to avoid the debacles of the past.
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
I think some are viewing this as a sort of "litmus test" for Cryptic as to how they will handle this situation. Does Cryptic genuinely care about the player? Will they do something to show we matter? Are their priorities showing that they do want this game to be enjoyable? Do they give a damn?
Considering that since this has started all we've gotten is a preview of new shinnies to do what we've been doing for three years and a post asking for Harlem shake videos, well some of those questions are being answered.
No one is really expecting a quick or even an overnight solution, but the way this is being handled is showing apathy towards the customers.
Why should I continue to spen money on a product that the developer doesn't care about?
I'm willing to at least see what transpires in May with the "it's so secret we can't give any details or else global security will be threatened" content update, but after that I might leave permanently if that super patch releases in the state most of their patches have released in.
Cryptic, use the tribble server. If it is such a secret then pick random people, have them sign a non-disclosure agreement, and begin testing 1-2 months in advance. We need to avoid the debacles of the past.
Well considering we are constantly being told by Dan and by the CDFers, that these forums only represent a small minority of players and the rest are blissfully enjoying the game (see the metrics", then why are we expecting a response???
I understood what they were saying, but I never bought into the fact that just because a small amount view/post on forums, twitter, facebook etc, that this wasn't what was reflected in game and I always found that sometimes posts did reflect the the mood in game.
So, those that actually do play the game and those that have been on over the weekend, what's Chat saying? Everything Tickety boo?
Straight from the mouth of one of the leaders of the CDF - "I tell you what, Haven't spent any money either - I'm a lousy freeloader" - Jonsills 17/12/2014
OK the introduction of FM's as Foundry rewards was a great move as our fleet had got bored running the same Fleet Events for FM's - especially "Starbase Fleet Defence" which is so bugged as to be unplayable at times.
Now we need vast amounts of FM's for Embassy Tier 2 and Starbase Tier 4 upgrades and Crytic take away the only thing which was keeping us committed to the game and do not add any new Fleet Missions to compensate. As a result our Fleet activity has dropped dramatically because it is just too boring to keep running the same old missions.
Get your act together guys - you will definitely not get the same income from us as there is now no point in selling Zen for Dilithium to complete projects as the bottle neck is Fleet Marks.
We can grind Dilithium at the same rate as we can grind Fleet Marks so Crytic have shot themselves in the foot with this one.
Greetings!
There has been a lot of talk lately about the changes to the Foundry daily mission...
Maybe you should've listened in Tribble before doing it then.
You cite metrics as the reasoning behind this; well gamers/customers do not play a game due to its metrics. You don't see magazine articles stating:
"Star Trek Online: 9 out of 10 for its metrics!".
That's absurd.
You also state that the f-missions were not meant to be a one-stop shop for rewards.
WHY NOT?
Why shouldn't every mission reward e.c., dilithium, and marks (and there should only be one type of mark)?
Then we'd be free to go do whatever missions we enjoy - i.e. to have fun and not have to grind.
It's clear that no one at PWE even plays this game; playtesters are either zombies; or everyone's a yes man/woman there. Well, here's a real life example of what it is like to play STO since S6:
Your wife/significant other gives you a shopping list of forty-two items.
You go to the first supermarket and all they can sell you is bread.
Then you go to the second supermarket and all they can sell you is milk
then you go to the third supermarket and all they can sell you is butter
then you go to the fourth supermarket and all they can sell you is cheese; but since you needed two types of cheese they make you wait 30 minutes in order to purchase the 2nd one.
then you go to the next supermarket and all they can sell you is jelly
then you go to the next supermarket and all they can sell you is peanut butter, but not the brand you like
then you go to the next supermarket and all they can sell you is eggs, but not the extra large kind
then you go to the next supermarket and all they can sell you is ...
After you've spent two hours you've barely made any progress on your list and it certainly wasn't fun.
After two hours we've barely made any progress on our characters/bases/etc - and none of it has been fun.
You've taken out the fun of STO and replaced it with grinding & metrics.
I am not a metric, I am a free customer.
There are Four Lights... say no to ARCFleet: 1st Order of Role-Players' Guild - gaming together since 2004
Sadly Cryptic will simply shuffle paper even when they do take action and they will do so again at some point with some sort of tweak somewhere to appease.
They have multiple currencies in place to allow them to bottleneck in different places and that is part of why this is not going away and why this is bigger then just the change to FM's in the last patch. We had the dil bottleneck which is still obviously a problem to some anyway so they know that they are slowing and can slow using that again, wouldn't surprise me to see FM's added on something else and the dil removed or lowered elsewhere to use that bottleneck again even though that problem hasn't gone away anyway for lots of people.
It was a simple post. It is the middle of the night. Fleets send me videos all the time and this was a harmless request.
The team is working many hours a week and addressing feedback and building our biggest update ever. If you can't have fun, then what is the point?
You'd think that a person would be given a little latitude to ask if there are any fleets that want to send in a funny video to get featured at a company meeting.
How about addressing the feedback that was on tribble before this happened? The feedback now?
Maybe use that latitude to ask us before you did this? Now, if this wasn't going on, I'd rather have enjoyed your post and tried to participate; but seriously with this going on...
"If you can't have fun, then what is the point?" -dastahl
Exactly our point!
There are Four Lights... say no to ARCFleet: 1st Order of Role-Players' Guild - gaming together since 2004
I want ot see a response on, among other things, his bunny grinding comment from 2+ years ago (especially in the light of New Romulus).
Is bunny tagging what you consider fun?
How the Devs see Star Trek, apparently:
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
You know, if you take a look at almost any of Dan's interviews over the past few years just about all of them bring into mention how important the community and forums are/were in the decision making and development processes and how he learned from CO and CoH how 'important communication is' with feedback from players. Even just perusing this section alone of the last 3 years with posts about him or by him were a lot better received than those in recent memory. There is a definite shift in that credo. Coming in here and making a bunch of suspect bullet points and then trying to back them up with 'factoids' that seem to explain to anyone with the grasp of common sense there is a problem with the data and the decisions being made because of it is pretty ambiguous in of itself. So what happened?
Wow, Mr. Stahl.... you are totally out of touch with your customer base.
You are killing the "golden goose" that is the Star Trek fan base, but you want Harlem Shake videos in another thread while not dealing with a very serious customer satisfaction issue.
You discuss "metrics" in this thread with over 2000 posts in it now; if your goal is to get new accounts from marketing campaigns, you may have succeeded, but you are demoralizing your existing core customer base. I am considering ending my subscription with the "power trip nerfing" that you installed with S7 (then corrected) and now the Valentine's Day Massacre Patch.
You should not whipsaw MMO economies by these nerf tactics.
I love Star Trek. My father and I use to watch the original series together.
wow first time in awile that iam not actually logging in because I dont like being forced to a set direction by a game developer... wonder if anyone else is doing the same.. i wonder...
same here i started playing guild wars 2 .its nice not be grinding like crazy only to see u still need a few million more dilthium and marks, of course thats not inculding the rep system or embassy.
and the rewards are terrible a full day of grinding only to look at your currency and u only got a few hundred fleet marks.
this game has become too much of a chore and less fun to play
Agreed. Broke out my ps2 and gamecube that have not seen the light of day since 08. Started playing some Ace Combat five and tales of synphonia. As Stalin... I mean mr sthal said if you do not like it ignore it. Happily. I am just happy so many people decided to raise their voices on this.
I know we could probably make some videos airing our concerns about this. But do you think he would even watch them?
In Cryptic's defense, the construction of Earth Spacedock took about 50 years, so actually I think a year, two years for a whole starbase is not actually that bad. Besides, new stuff is coming in may, can't you just be patient and wait?
LOL wtf u want people to wait years before they can access some content. ill have what ever ur smoking
Well hes is trying to get people to forget about this thread so they will stop protest. If you dont keep on them they will never change sometime you have to shout to be heard. Speak loud so deaf people can hear you and tell them to stop the grind and bring back the fun its now or never time people.
ok I didn't want to bring up how really useless and full of it cryptic are but.....................during beta a mate of mine asked when will betazed be opend up as a social zone he got told and I quote "very soon" and that was over 3 years ago so........................
I do believe that the devs are capable of providing good content and fixing the bugs in the game.
But I don't think they are allowed to spend time doing it by the "overlords" in charge of the game.
If the "overlords" would just take a little time from their "vision" of "farming" the players (aka customers) for every single penny of money we have and address the real problems of the game, they would reap an amazimg amount of long term profit from a STABLE and ENJOYABLE game platform for years!
We, the players (aka customers) are here because we love Star Trek!
We don't love FARMING or bad/no content, or a game that feels like another JOB!
PWE/Cryptic Stop the FARM,Bring back the FUN!
Zeus
I Agree I Think need start addressing bugs more I really thinking of boycotting the new ships protest to them take no action all the bugs and lame changes to game they need to hear us when say NO! we don't like this. just saying this is maybe 4 time reused Borg STF you took them form star up in a patch content. when game started it was lvl 44 content then you made cap lvl 50 then you reused it for a queing system then reused it for rep system. whats next lvl 60 more endgame borg... put out a patch that something other then a ship or lvl cap raise btw no one wants the lvl cap raised you should do rank maybe thought a faction rep thing make it rewards. but that being said just one many examples i like this game i don't want too see it died ... but you killing it right now pace these release test your stuff slow don't zen ship add back emote pack or old promo thing we buy or something. I'm fine with a grind but when gets to be a all day thing you killed in daily there for poeple don't have time world to play but want keep pace on a goal.
So far there been 5 bugs i've encounter is how many know bugs that yet be fixed 0 i really wish the game devs would stop making ships and star fixing the bugs... i think there has be more ship released...
1. The 2min bug i've seen this tied in with the not being able to place Boffs back on to you ship after running the Enterprise mission and any other mission that wipes out the skill bar so annoying those missions are please fix that ... i feel like have reset bar all time... seems this bug has been here with season 6 that 1st time i saw it was in 7 after patch.
2 the fleet chat bug ... need i say more i would love type talk to my fleet in fleet season 6 still waiting ?!
3 STF some other ques too seen it ship will not turn after death and re spawn before season 6 per-patch 1st time i saw it.
4.Graphic bug with gas bodies in space map shatter glass effect only reason know not me is i have replace the graphics card in computer and others have encounter it also mission was the fed mission "Past Imperfect" ... btw why Spock in yellow shirt and out uniform in the mission.
5. Lag opening mail and foundry. I lag so bad opening mail can't even delete it or pick stuff up any plans removing the notices exchange that stuff sold i know stuff sold or a adding mass deletion button for mail that doesn't have items in the mail.
6. last bug I've notice not major but I'm sure if it a bug or not but why when search the Ah just in general no setting clicked on dose like only show that only 5 posting sell with over price items to middle level price items... than do narrow down search and shows 400 items ... why five showing general search not 400 starting with lowest priced.
don't get me wrong but isn't time these bugs got flushed out ... maybe over patching for another ship... just saying there other issue that not being adressed
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] DELTA RISING FIXS THERE NEVER COMING WHY I'M I WASTING MY TIME ASKING FOR THEM ???
Instead of a response or action, we get a request to dance the Cryptic Shake.
Sorry, I've danced enough for you and paid you plenty of money while doing it.
Time for you do a backstep and undo this action.
There are Four Lights... say no to ARCFleet: 1st Order of Role-Players' Guild - gaming together since 2004
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With as large of a disconnect between Stahl and the players as there is, is it really that surprising?
If I had my way we'd be getting 50 fleet marks every 30 minutes from the foundry, dilithium from PvP and STFs but if the devs haven't responded to this thread after 200 some posts their not going to. I could do without this painful reminder constantly coming up in "today's posts" of the long road to tier 2 for my alt fleet using only commendation reports for fleet marks.
I appreciate that the feelings expressed in this thread require a careful and considered response, but until such a time as Stahl's ready to address this, surely any engagement with the community on unrelated issues is just furthering the impression that Cryptic don't give a damn?
Whatever Dan's credentials are as an Executive Producer, he's hopeless at PR.
Oh, and in another 67 posts we're the 7th most commented subject in the news section since beta - don't stop now
And you doubted we'd hit 2000...
Did you find my lack of faith disturbing?
Oops! Wrong game
And to entertain my fellow posters, here's an interesting article that sheds light on how a developer can TRIBBLE up a beloved IP so badly
1: Were fleet marks really the choke point in any but the smallest fleets? I've got a bunch of characters, spread across 5 different fleets, and in all of them the projects seem to stall on dilithium (and in some cases doff) contributions. I can't remember the last time I was in time to actually contribute fleet marks...
2: Wouldn't this be a boost to the Klingon queued fleet events? I mean, those seemed pretty dead...
Then again, I tended to agree with FM's being out of place in the IOR wrapper, so what do I know :P
Stop being defeatist. It worked for the STF and it will work here if we keep the faith and fight the good fight (big-ups to you Fallout 3 players
If you don't want to be reminded, don't read thread, and don't post in it. It's that simple.
Post if you are for the change, or post if you are against the change, but we don't need any "close the thread because I want it closed" attitudes here.
1) It really depended on the fleet on what their defieciency was. It is funny you bring up being short on dilithium. The devs want players to have more dilithium, yet they keep the refinment cap in place. The thing with the fleet marks was that having it attached to Foundry meant we could do something else beside grind the same content over and over again. Now it's back to the same stale content for the same meager rewards compared to the time investment.
2) The opposite has happened according to KDF players. They have far less of a population than Feds, and were hurting for players for qued events. Now, KDF players have reported they still have a long wait to get into a que, and have reported a sharp rise of AFKers.
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
We're finding that with our 'Disenchanted' campaign - the players we speak to either join us or say Cryptic doesn't give a damn - it's doesn't matter what we do.
Is that really how Cryptic wants its customers to think of it?
I can't speak to your question #2 because my Klingon character has never gotten around to joining a fleet or running fleet events klink-side, but I can speak to your question #1.
For my 6-player fleet (The Anti-Social Fleet of One) the roadblock has never been fleet marks, but has always been dilithium.
Why?
Because we can grit our teeth and do the fleet alert-starbase incursion-colony invasion loop over and over for marks, but no matter what, we will not be able to refine more than 8,000 ore.
We are doing the Tier III SB upgrade project now. Requires 10,000 FM and 640,000 Refined Dilithium. Even if 3 of the 6 fleet guys gave every scrap of their refined daily dilithium to the base, it'd take 50 days to refine that much.
Don't think that I am happy about the removal of the IOR marks without them implementing an increase in FMs in some other way, but I find the refining cap to be a bigger roadblock to progression than the fleet marks.
I just wish the grind for the paltry amount of fleet marks we earn wasn't so horribly dull.
I think some are viewing this as a sort of "litmus test" for Cryptic as to how they will handle this situation. Does Cryptic genuinely care about the player? Will they do something to show we matter? Are their priorities showing that they do want this game to be enjoyable? Do they give a damn?
Considering that since this has started all we've gotten is a preview of new shinnies to do what we've been doing for three years and a post asking for Harlem shake videos, well some of those questions are being answered.
No one is really expecting a quick or even an overnight solution, but the way this is being handled is showing apathy towards the customers.
Why should I continue to spend money on a product that the developer doesn't seem to care much about?
I'm willing to at least see what transpires in May with the "it's so secret we can't give any details or else global security will be threatened" content update, but after that I might leave permanently if that super patch releases in the state most of their patches have released in.
Cryptic, use the tribble server. If it is such a secret then pick random people, have them sign a non-disclosure agreement, and begin testing 1-2 months in advance. We need to avoid the debacles of the past.
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
Well considering we are constantly being told by Dan and by the CDFers, that these forums only represent a small minority of players and the rest are blissfully enjoying the game (see the metrics", then why are we expecting a response???
I understood what they were saying, but I never bought into the fact that just because a small amount view/post on forums, twitter, facebook etc, that this wasn't what was reflected in game and I always found that sometimes posts did reflect the the mood in game.
So, those that actually do play the game and those that have been on over the weekend, what's Chat saying? Everything Tickety boo?
Now we need vast amounts of FM's for Embassy Tier 2 and Starbase Tier 4 upgrades and Crytic take away the only thing which was keeping us committed to the game and do not add any new Fleet Missions to compensate. As a result our Fleet activity has dropped dramatically because it is just too boring to keep running the same old missions.
Get your act together guys - you will definitely not get the same income from us as there is now no point in selling Zen for Dilithium to complete projects as the bottle neck is Fleet Marks.
We can grind Dilithium at the same rate as we can grind Fleet Marks so Crytic have shot themselves in the foot with this one.
Maybe you should've listened in Tribble before doing it then.
You cite metrics as the reasoning behind this; well gamers/customers do not play a game due to its metrics. You don't see magazine articles stating:
"Star Trek Online: 9 out of 10 for its metrics!".
That's absurd.
You also state that the f-missions were not meant to be a one-stop shop for rewards.
WHY NOT?
Why shouldn't every mission reward e.c., dilithium, and marks (and there should only be one type of mark)?
Then we'd be free to go do whatever missions we enjoy - i.e. to have fun and not have to grind.
It's clear that no one at PWE even plays this game; playtesters are either zombies; or everyone's a yes man/woman there. Well, here's a real life example of what it is like to play STO since S6:
Your wife/significant other gives you a shopping list of forty-two items.
You go to the first supermarket and all they can sell you is bread.
Then you go to the second supermarket and all they can sell you is milk
then you go to the third supermarket and all they can sell you is butter
then you go to the fourth supermarket and all they can sell you is cheese; but since you needed two types of cheese they make you wait 30 minutes in order to purchase the 2nd one.
then you go to the next supermarket and all they can sell you is jelly
then you go to the next supermarket and all they can sell you is peanut butter, but not the brand you like
then you go to the next supermarket and all they can sell you is eggs, but not the extra large kind
then you go to the next supermarket and all they can sell you is ...
After you've spent two hours you've barely made any progress on your list and it certainly wasn't fun.
After two hours we've barely made any progress on our characters/bases/etc - and none of it has been fun.
You've taken out the fun of STO and replaced it with grinding & metrics.
I am not a metric, I am a free customer.
Fleet: 1st Order of Role-Players' Guild - gaming together since 2004
They have multiple currencies in place to allow them to bottleneck in different places and that is part of why this is not going away and why this is bigger then just the change to FM's in the last patch. We had the dil bottleneck which is still obviously a problem to some anyway so they know that they are slowing and can slow using that again, wouldn't surprise me to see FM's added on something else and the dil removed or lowered elsewhere to use that bottleneck again even though that problem hasn't gone away anyway for lots of people.
Dstahl as you know, has posted on the forum today asking for "Harlem shake" videos.
I have posted on page 5 of that thread, post #41.
Opinions?
How about addressing the feedback that was on tribble before this happened? The feedback now?
Maybe use that latitude to ask us before you did this? Now, if this wasn't going on, I'd rather have enjoyed your post and tried to participate; but seriously with this going on...
"If you can't have fun, then what is the point?" -dastahl
Exactly our point!
Fleet: 1st Order of Role-Players' Guild - gaming together since 2004
lol! old news - but yes, ridiculous. 'Fiddling whilst Rome burns' as someone wryly put it
He did make a good point though.
While it was meant to reflect the devs, it does quite nicely reflect the question many of us have been asking lately. I know I have!
Is bunny tagging what you consider fun?
Star Trek: The Original Grind
Star Trek: The Next Grind
Star Trek: Deep Space Grind
Star Trek: Voyage to the Grind
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
The o3 - Killed you good
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=242729
You are killing the "golden goose" that is the Star Trek fan base, but you want Harlem Shake videos in another thread while not dealing with a very serious customer satisfaction issue.
You discuss "metrics" in this thread with over 2000 posts in it now; if your goal is to get new accounts from marketing campaigns, you may have succeeded, but you are demoralizing your existing core customer base. I am considering ending my subscription with the "power trip nerfing" that you installed with S7 (then corrected) and now the Valentine's Day Massacre Patch.
You should not whipsaw MMO economies by these nerf tactics.
I love Star Trek. My father and I use to watch the original series together.
STO, however, is not fun anymore.
Delirium Tremens
Tier 4 Starbase, Tier 3 Embassy
http://dtfleet.com/
same here i started playing guild wars 2 .its nice not be grinding like crazy only to see u still need a few million more dilthium and marks, of course thats not inculding the rep system or embassy.
and the rewards are terrible a full day of grinding only to look at your currency and u only got a few hundred fleet marks.
this game has become too much of a chore and less fun to play
I know we could probably make some videos airing our concerns about this. But do you think he would even watch them?
A service game is like a marriage" - Raph Koster
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LOL wtf u want people to wait years before they can access some content. ill have what ever ur smoking
Well hes is trying to get people to forget about this thread so they will stop protest. If you dont keep on them they will never change sometime you have to shout to be heard. Speak loud so deaf people can hear you and tell them to stop the grind and bring back the fun its now or never time people.
I Agree I Think need start addressing bugs more I really thinking of boycotting the new ships protest to them take no action all the bugs and lame changes to game they need to hear us when say NO! we don't like this. just saying this is maybe 4 time reused Borg STF you took them form star up in a patch content. when game started it was lvl 44 content then you made cap lvl 50 then you reused it for a queing system then reused it for rep system. whats next lvl 60 more endgame borg... put out a patch that something other then a ship or lvl cap raise btw no one wants the lvl cap raised you should do rank maybe thought a faction rep thing make it rewards. but that being said just one many examples i like this game i don't want too see it died ... but you killing it right now pace these release test your stuff slow don't zen ship add back emote pack or old promo thing we buy or something. I'm fine with a grind but when gets to be a all day thing you killed in daily there for poeple don't have time world to play but want keep pace on a goal.
Think this need you attention too devs http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=551491
So far there been 5 bugs i've encounter is how many know bugs that yet be fixed 0 i really wish the game devs would stop making ships and star fixing the bugs... i think there has be more ship released...
1. The 2min bug i've seen this tied in with the not being able to place Boffs back on to you ship after running the Enterprise mission and any other mission that wipes out the skill bar so annoying those missions are please fix that ... i feel like have reset bar all time... seems this bug has been here with season 6 that 1st time i saw it was in 7 after patch.
2 the fleet chat bug ... need i say more i would love type talk to my fleet in fleet season 6 still waiting ?!
3 STF some other ques too seen it ship will not turn after death and re spawn before season 6 per-patch 1st time i saw it.
4.Graphic bug with gas bodies in space map shatter glass effect only reason know not me is i have replace the graphics card in computer and others have encounter it also mission was the fed mission "Past Imperfect" ... btw why Spock in yellow shirt and out uniform in the mission.
5. Lag opening mail and foundry. I lag so bad opening mail can't even delete it or pick stuff up any plans removing the notices exchange that stuff sold i know stuff sold or a adding mass deletion button for mail that doesn't have items in the mail.
6. last bug I've notice not major but I'm sure if it a bug or not but why when search the Ah just in general no setting clicked on dose like only show that only 5 posting sell with over price items to middle level price items... than do narrow down search and shows 400 items ... why five showing general search not 400 starting with lowest priced.
don't get me wrong but isn't time these bugs got flushed out ... maybe over patching for another ship... just saying there other issue that not being adressed
DELTA RISING FIXS THERE NEVER COMING WHY I'M I WASTING MY TIME ASKING FOR THEM ???
Sorry, I've danced enough for you and paid you plenty of money while doing it.
Time for you do a backstep and undo this action.
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