They have had such a hard time dealing with things lately, and they deserve a good pick me up.
I mean, they get lowsy ships, bad / incomplete story lines, that horrible Blue Hud.. *shivers* I mean.. like BLUE!? Oh the agony.
Come on cryptic, give it all to em. They need it!!!! Wah come on now!
The KDF doesn't deserve to exisit, why dosent the new cloak ready federation just wipe them out? I mean, bah klingons, why would we want something different around? BOo, I want the same stuff on both sides!
I know when I switch from Feds to Klings there wont be any difference other than BLUE or RED but I think thats enough to give a different and unique experience.
( lol )
We should just kill Jmpok, make Worf the head honcho of KDF then in season 9, end the war and integrate KDF into the Federation.
We can all then gain access to all the ships of both factions. That would be nice ain't it?
We would then no longer need nonsensical threads like this
We should just kill Jmpok, make Worf the head honcho of KDF then in season 9, end the war and integrate KDF into the Federation.
We can all then gain access to all the ships of both factions. That would be nice ain't it?
We would then no longer need nonsensical threads like this
We can call it Season 9: Peace, At Last
Er.. no thanks. I would rather just limit the Klingon Empire as an ally instead of part of the Federation.
Also, the UFP has some rules when it comes to worlds joining the Federation. (remember that TNG episode with James Cromwell), though they kinda relaxed it after the Dominion War (Insurrection).
The dinner scene from ST6 comes to mind whenever someone proposes the Empire as part of the Federation..
The "Treaty of Algeron" argument is meaningless. The Federation does have and routinely uses cloaks in STO.
Cloaking devices are entirely plug and play in canon. They have been used in numerous ships that have never been designed to use one, particularly in DS9. There is no canon reason why a cloak console couldn't be installed into any ship.
All ships already get a "cloaking device" with the T5 Romulan rep. That you can only use it for 7 seconds at a time is beside the point, all ships can now cloak in STO. And it's actually a Scimitar perfect cloak that let's you use shields and weapons!
The only reason Fed cloak consoles are limited to Defiant and Galaxy-X is those regularly used cloaks on TV. And the reason Klingons don't have cloak consoles to put on ships that don't have built-in cloak is...well I don't have any idea.
It would make perfect sense to put a cloak console in the Romulan rep.
Er.. no thanks. I would rather just limit the Klingon Empire as an ally instead of part of the Federation.
They wouldn't be a member of the Federation, but as allies they could be a single "faction" in game. As in, you could play all missions with the same toon. You could team Fed and Klingon players outside STF. You could fly all ships regardless of species. And most importantly, people wouldn't complain all the time about one side having better toys or how both sides shouldn't have the same toys.
The "Treaty of Algeron" argument is meaningless. The Federation does have and routinely uses cloaks in STO.
Cloaking devices are entirely plug and play in canon. They have been used in numerous ships that have never been designed to use one, particularly in DS9. There is no canon reason why a cloak console couldn't be installed into any ship.
All ships already get a "cloaking device" with the T5 Romulan rep. That you can only use it for 7 seconds at a time is beside the point, all ships can now cloak in STO. And it's actually a Scimitar perfect cloak that let's you use shields and weapons!
The only reason Fed cloak consoles are limited to Defiant and Galaxy-X is those regularly used cloaks on TV. And the reason Klingons don't have cloak consoles to put on ships that don't have built-in cloak is...well I don't have any idea.
It would make perfect sense to put a cloak console in the Romulan rep.
It makes no sense to give the feds cloaking and the canon reason why exists in the games own backstory.
The AGT galaxy and Defiant has cloaking because they where grandfathered in before the UFFP said no more would it pursue cloaking. The T5 Romulan rep is a perk only and does not validate a need for an actual cloaking device.
They wouldn't be a member of the Federation, but as allies they could be a single "faction" in game. As in, you could play all missions with the same toon. You could team Fed and Klingon players outside STF. You could fly all ships regardless of species. And most importantly, people wouldn't complain all the time about one side having better toys or how both sides shouldn't have the same toys.
No. There is no reason for us KDF fans to sell ourselves short just so some petulant feds can fly our factions ships, have cloaks or any of the games content that is for the KDF exclusively.
Idiots use their T-5 rommy cloak not knowing that I can still see the little power icon hovering above where their ship is. I just follow it with my forward arc and DBB + DHC bitchslap them.
Feds also get access to the Adapted Maco which give them an AoE MES. Also my fed mirror toon runs MES in his Mirror Advanced Escort and I have no problem using that.
Feds can have cloaks and battle cloaks imo... but in order to receive them you'll have to take the hull/shield mod reduction that comes with having a cloak.
We dont want to see Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofits with true battle cloak with 5 BOFF stations and the hull that they have.
If you want something, you have to give something first.
(Knowing fed players, if they finally get access to cloaks and battle cloaks and get hit with the nerf bat by losing hull and BOFF stations in exchange for the cloak, there will be an uproar on the forums about the nerf, always complaining, never happy... silly silly feds).
Idiots use their T-5 rommy cloak not knowing that I can still see the little power icon hovering above where their ship is. I just follow it with my forward arc and DBB + DHC bitchslap them.
Feds also get access to the Adapted Maco which give them an AoE MES. Also my fed mirror toon runs MES in his Mirror Advanced Escort and I have no problem using that.
Feds can have cloaks and battle cloaks imo... but in order to receive them you'll have to take the hull/shield mod reduction that comes with having a cloak.
We dont want to see Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofits with true battle cloak with 5 BOFF stations and the hull that they have.
If you want something, you have to give something first.
(Knowing fed players, if they finally get access to cloaks and battle cloaks and get hit with the nerf bat by losing hull and BOFF stations in exchange for the cloak, there will be an uproar on the forums about the nerf, always complaining, never happy... silly silly feds).
As a Fed' player (and occasional KDF player), I have exactly no interest in increasing the amount of Fed' ships with cloaks (and even getting battle cloaks). Why you ask?
- It's really not in the flavor of Starfleet (the two exceptions are really exceptions and just plot devices anyways)
-I would much rather see Federation ships to increase their ability to detect cloaked ships and (heres the big one) to have Fed' players learn how to team up with Nebula players to better counter cloaking ships. One of the reason why KDF cloakcs work well is that Fed' players dont make attempts to team up and counter cloaking tactics.
-I actually like to know where my coffee maker is at all times. The KDF is still having problems keeping caffeine levels up while cloaked.
There's no real canon reason the feds shouldn't have cloaks -- it comes down to feel and gameplay, which are good enough for me.
I'd like to see, through expository dialogue or something, Cryptic at least make up a reason feds have been unable to mass produce cloaks. Writing around 'canon' issues is a fine Star Trek tradition that should be carried on.
Mounting the cloak console on the Fleet Defiant should enhance the cloaking effect somehow. Make it harder to break, make it a battle cloak, something.
If you want something, you have to give something first.
(Knowing fed players, if they finally get access to cloaks and battle cloaks and get hit with the nerf bat by losing hull and BOFF stations in exchange for the cloak, there will be an uproar on the forums about the nerf, always complaining, never happy... silly silly feds).[/QUOTE]
No one ever HAS to give up anything to get something. That battle cry is for PvPrs who just haz to have a perfect and fair homogenous play experience.
This is a game with lots of players. Depriving one side for the sake of another is never welcome. It's just as stupid to expect as all the 'nerf escorts/buff cruisers' pages that serve to take away something someone has paid real money for so someone else can win were they couldn't before.
The argument of the Feds don't fight that way is equally stupid. It's like saying one side can't develope a rifle because the other side has it and doesn't want you to. No one would tolerate something so silly. What that nation WOULD say is go pack sand, stop you aggression or we will definitely make the weapon system you don't want us to have.
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I can only think you are not if thats the basis of your arguement on why the feds deserve cloaking.
The KDF playerbase is "depriving" the fed playerbase!!!!!!! LMAO. Thats rich.
There's no real canon reason the feds shouldn't have cloaks -- it comes down to feel and gameplay, which are good enough for me.
I'd like to see, through expository dialogue or something, Cryptic at least make up a reason feds have been unable to mass produce cloaks. Writing around 'canon' issues is a fine Star Trek tradition that should be carried on.
Read the Path to 2409, the games on canon story on why things are as they are.
In there you will find the reason why cloaking is not a widely used fed technology in STO.
I really do think the issue of a cloaking device for federation ships needs to be addressed permanently and decisively. Since Cryptic is busy making more game content, I will save them some workshopping and make the following amazing proposal:
Wandering randomly around the galaxy is a special Ferengi merchant. It has no distinguishing features and there's no way to tell it apart from the others on sight. If one can get within .5 ly of it, though, a special "black market" button appears in the interaction menu.
This Ferengi Merchant will offer a special "Discount Cloaking Device" universal console. This console boosts nothing and only comes with a special toggle-able power called "Federation Cloak."
Activating this power causes a large cape-and-hood style cloak to appear around the ship's "neck". This cape is blue and has a Federation logo on it.
There's a very good reason why certain ships can cloak and others cannot. Just like why we don't have full 3D flight and cruisers don't have a 30 turn rate.
I really do think the issue of a cloaking device for federation ships needs to be addressed permanently and decisively. Since Cryptic is busy making more game content, I will save them some workshopping and make the following amazing proposal:
Wandering randomly around the galaxy is a special Ferengi merchant. It has no distinguishing features and there's no way to tell it apart from the others on sight. If one can get within .5 ly of it, though, a special "black market" button appears in the interaction menu.
This Ferengi Merchant will offer a special "Discount Cloaking Device" universal console. This console boosts nothing and only comes with a special toggle-able power called "Federation Cloak."
Activating this power causes a large cape-and-hood style cloak to appear around the ship's "neck". This cape is blue and has a Federation logo on it.
This way, everyone will be happy.
I could agree with that but under the condition that it works like the b'rel did for 2 years as well as the bortasqu' did. Basically it means if you try to heal yourself you are seen. If you even try to cloak it won't matter because you can still be seen. So thats a big win for the federation to get exactly what we of the KDF had for such a long time
I really do think the issue of a cloaking device for federation ships needs to be addressed permanently and decisively. Since Cryptic is busy making more game content, I will save them some workshopping and make the following amazing proposal:
Wandering randomly around the galaxy is a special Ferengi merchant. It has no distinguishing features and there's no way to tell it apart from the others on sight. If one can get within .5 ly of it, though, a special "black market" button appears in the interaction menu.
This Ferengi Merchant will offer a special "Discount Cloaking Device" universal console. This console boosts nothing and only comes with a special toggle-able power called "Federation Cloak."
Activating this power causes a large cape-and-hood style cloak to appear around the ship's "neck". This cape is blue and has a Federation logo on it.
LMAO. That the funniest thing I heard yet in this thread.
No, seriuosly. I almost spotted myself with laughter and then I realized you think its true....
And I laughed some more.
In what dimension, in what galaxy, on what planet, by which language could you actually believe what I said was not true. (The most recent example...) The 2 newest ships coming into STO are the Fleet Kamarag and Fleet Ambassador.
Breaking down what each one has over the other....
Fleet Kamarag Battle Cruiser
Can Equip Cannons Extra Universal Consoles
Base Turn Rate: 10.5 degrees per second
Cloaking Device
+10 Weapon Power, +10 Engine Power
VS.
Ambassador Fleet Support Cruiser Retrofit
+4,950 hull
+1 Device Slot
+5 to All Subsystem Power
So..what would YOU rather have?
+10 Weapons, a +3.5 base turn increase, (1) EXTRA Universal Console, along with the ability to equip Cannons
Or.....
+4,950 hull, +1 device slot, and a +5 to subsystems.
And this is just recent ships. It's a repeated pattern in STO. If these 2 ships met in combat, I give the Ambassador a minute, possibly 2, before she goes up in flames.
Would you like to trade ship statistics for the Ambassador and Kamarag? I didn't think so!
Thanks for the entertainment!...Hey, I'll trade you a $50 bill for a $100.
Because the Devs give the superior ships to the KDF (to shut up the players b/c of lack of KDF content) --- that's why.
It's a noble idea of yours, unfortunately, it's limited to a pipe dream.
LOOL
Please learn to setup your ship before making such ridiculous accusations.
How about 5 tac console ships, huh? The only KDF ship that has 5 tac.consoles has the turn rate of Saturn! :P
I rarely PvP as Fed., but when I do I rarely get popped, a couple of times only against some of the best KDF players. And I fly a Galaxy - dubbed as the worst ship in STO. lol
There's your KDF superiority.
The only thing you have proven so far is that you know how to read comparison stats. on paper that someone posted, and if I might add, they are inncorect as well. Fortunately enough, the game does not resolve around by comparing papers with charts.
I really do think the issue of a cloaking device for federation ships needs to be addressed permanently and decisively. Since Cryptic is busy making more game content, I will save them some workshopping and make the following amazing proposal:
Wandering randomly around the galaxy is a special Ferengi merchant. It has no distinguishing features and there's no way to tell it apart from the others on sight. If one can get within .5 ly of it, though, a special "black market" button appears in the interaction menu.
This Ferengi Merchant will offer a special "Discount Cloaking Device" universal console. This console boosts nothing and only comes with a special toggle-able power called "Federation Cloak."
Activating this power causes a large cape-and-hood style cloak to appear around the ship's "neck". This cape is blue and has a Federation logo on it.
Sounds a little too personal...I think you'd rather diffuse and deflect...and hey why not? I'd rather fly the KDF counterpart over the Fed myself anyway.
BTW, I'm ready (and willingly) open to a PVP match anytime.
Sounds a little too personal...I think you'd rather diffuse and deflect...and hey why not? I'd rather fly the KDF counterpart over the Fed myself anyway.
BTW, I'm ready (and willingly) open to a PVP match anytime.
If I sounded personal, then I apologize.
Please understand that we KDF players tend to get a bit personal in discussions wheather the Fed. should get that last bits of uniqueness to our faction. Between the lack of content, the lockbox giveaway of the KDF unique consoles and the last announcement that mr.Stahl made that there will be no new Z-Store KDF ships in the forseable future we tend to get a little touchy.
Again, to sound insulting was not my intention, and if I did you have my apology.
P.S. I'd rather fly the KDF counterpart as well....but then I'd rather fly most of KDF ships :P And mind me, not stat-wise, but rather design wise.
However I really really like the Ambassador as well and will be getting one probably before the K'maj, I was one of 'those' that bugged Cryptic for a sci-oriented cruiser for a while now and I must admit they made it to fit my playstyle.
In what dimension, in what galaxy, on what planet, by which language could you actually believe what I said was not true. (The most recent example...) The 2 newest ships coming into STO are the Fleet Kamarag and Fleet Ambassador.
Breaking down what each one has over the other....
Fleet Kamarag Battle Cruiser
Can Equip Cannons Extra Universal Consoles
Base Turn Rate: 10.5 degrees per second
Cloaking Device
+10 Weapon Power, +10 Engine Power
VS.
Ambassador Fleet Support Cruiser Retrofit
+4,950 hull
+1 Device Slot
+5 to All Subsystem Power
So..what would YOU rather have?
+10 Weapons, a +3.5 base turn increase, (1) EXTRA Universal Console, along with the ability to equip Cannons
Or.....
+4,950 hull, +1 device slot, and a +5 to subsystems.
And this is just recent ships. It's a repeated pattern in STO. If these 2 ships met in combat, I give the Ambassador a minute, possibly 2, before she goes up in flames.
Would you like to trade ship statistics for the Ambassador and Kamarag? I didn't think so!
Thanks for the entertainment!...Hey, I'll trade you a $50 bill for a $100.
Im still laughing. You based your arguement on the two most recent ships, a cruiser versus a battle cruiser, when everyone knows the fleet Battle Cruisers are better on average than the fleet fed cruisers.
Care to talk about who has the best Escort class vessels or the best science vessels? Care to show me how the fleet Qin or Somraw is superior to the Fleet Defiant?
This is why I laugh. You claim that the KDF has better ships and its just not true. We do have some that are better and we have some that are not. Just as the feds do.
Btw, your $50 is a fake. Why would I trade a benjamin for it?
Im still laughing. You based your arguement on the two most recent ships, a cruiser versus a battle cruiser, when everyone knows the fleet Battle Cruisers are better on average than the fleet fed cruisers.
Care to talk about who has the best Escort class vessels or the best science vessels? Care to show me how the fleet Qin or Somraw is superior to the Fleet Defiant?
This is why I laugh. You claim that the KDF has better ships and its just not true. We do have some that are better and we have some that are not. Just as the feds do.
Btw, your $50 is a fake. Why would I trade a benjamin for it?
ROFL... Yeah atleast the KDF battle cruisers can still compete in a DPS race from what this game has turned into. All these noobs saying stuff like my all knowing DPS calculator knows more than your 2+ years of experience. By the time I ever log back into STO I bet the fed side will have battle cloaks on every fed ship though. The connection problems I've gone through today just makes me hate this game even more. They must have put those fed loving hamsters in charge... very horrible game.
Im still laughing. You based your arguement on the two most recent ships, a cruiser versus a battle cruiser, when everyone knows the fleet Battle Cruisers are better on average than the fleet fed cruisers.
Care to talk about who has the best Escort class vessels or the best science vessels? Care to show me how the fleet Qin or Somraw is superior to the Fleet Defiant?
This is why I laugh. You claim that the KDF has better ships and its just not true. We do have some that are better and we have some that are not. Just as the feds do.
Btw, your $50 is a fake. Why would I trade a benjamin for it?
But..I thought this is DPS Online...whoops, I mean Star Trek Online :P
No one ever HAS to give up anything to get something. That battle cry is for PvPrs who just haz to have a perfect and fair homogenous play experience.
If you want a Fleet defiant with battle cloak then you're going to have to sacrifice some hull and a bridge officer station to bring it closer to BoP standard. Eg. Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit has 5 BOFF stations, one more than a Fleet Hoh'Sus. It also has 8250 more hull compared to the Hoh'Sus.
This is a game with lots of players. Depriving one side for the sake of another is never welcome. It's just as stupid to expect as all the 'nerf escorts/buff cruisers' pages that serve to take away something someone has paid real money for so someone else can win were they couldn't before.
"Depriving one side for the sake of another is never welcome." Is KDF content on par with Federation content? KDF is deprived of content, that is why we get the cooler toys. I have spent money on my KDF characters, I paid good money for unlocks and consoles. The GIVE FEDS CLOAK WAAA WAAA WAAA threads are worse than nerf escort/buff cruiser threads... the cloak topic is a plague in these forums.
The argument of the Feds don't fight that way is equally stupid. It's like saying one side can't develope a rifle because the other side has it and doesn't want you to. No one would tolerate something so silly. What that nation WOULD say is go pack sand, stop you aggression or we will definitely make the weapon system you don't want us to have.
Some of us are fans of the series and would like to see a Star Trek game where the IP has not been taken to a viking **** party. Canon is good. Feds dont fight, they have little tea parties and hug, even in a time of war...
Here are some federation options for cloaking. Although these might not be as good a battle cloak they are still sufficient cloaking abilities
- Cloaking Device (Gal-X, Defiant-R).
- Mask Energy Signature.
- Adapted MACO 3 part ability.
- Romulan T5 Ability.
If you're still not happy with those options, play as a KDF toon or GTFO.
I can only think you are not if thats the basis of your arguement on why the feds deserve cloaking.
The KDF playerbase is "depriving" the fed playerbase!!!!!!! LMAO. Thats rich.
I am not sure if this was addressed to me or not. I already stated in an earlier post that I believe only the Defiant and Galaxy X classes should have cloak but that it should be integral to the ship not a console.
I am a Star Trek fan in most ways. There are many things I did not like about it, including the way the main antagonist, the Klingon Empire was so poorly developed in TOS.
My post you seem to be questioning is more a challenge to a poor argument. I prefer some RL logic to be incorporated into story lines to give things a sense of realism and continuity. I also want to see this game fun for ALL players, and nerf raging and changing every time a minority whines and cries OP at the expense of others is something I really do not like.
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We should just kill Jmpok, make Worf the head honcho of KDF then in season 9, end the war and integrate KDF into the Federation.
We can all then gain access to all the ships of both factions. That would be nice ain't it?
We would then no longer need nonsensical threads like this
We can call it Season 9: Peace, At Last
Er.. no thanks. I would rather just limit the Klingon Empire as an ally instead of part of the Federation.
Also, the UFP has some rules when it comes to worlds joining the Federation. (remember that TNG episode with James Cromwell), though they kinda relaxed it after the Dominion War (Insurrection).
The dinner scene from ST6 comes to mind whenever someone proposes the Empire as part of the Federation..
http://vimeo.com/16411531
We still live!!!!! Hahahahahahahahaa! We live and we will conquer!!!!! Hahahahahaaha!
-Roach, when asked about Klingon extinction!
Cloaking devices are entirely plug and play in canon. They have been used in numerous ships that have never been designed to use one, particularly in DS9. There is no canon reason why a cloak console couldn't be installed into any ship.
All ships already get a "cloaking device" with the T5 Romulan rep. That you can only use it for 7 seconds at a time is beside the point, all ships can now cloak in STO. And it's actually a Scimitar perfect cloak that let's you use shields and weapons!
The only reason Fed cloak consoles are limited to Defiant and Galaxy-X is those regularly used cloaks on TV. And the reason Klingons don't have cloak consoles to put on ships that don't have built-in cloak is...well I don't have any idea.
It would make perfect sense to put a cloak console in the Romulan rep.
*Finishes popcorn*
*Calls for pizza delivery* :P
It makes no sense to give the feds cloaking and the canon reason why exists in the games own backstory.
The AGT galaxy and Defiant has cloaking because they where grandfathered in before the UFFP said no more would it pursue cloaking. The T5 Romulan rep is a perk only and does not validate a need for an actual cloaking device.
R.I.P
No. There is no reason for us KDF fans to sell ourselves short just so some petulant feds can fly our factions ships, have cloaks or any of the games content that is for the KDF exclusively.
R.I.P
Feds also get access to the Adapted Maco which give them an AoE MES. Also my fed mirror toon runs MES in his Mirror Advanced Escort and I have no problem using that.
Feds can have cloaks and battle cloaks imo... but in order to receive them you'll have to take the hull/shield mod reduction that comes with having a cloak.
We dont want to see Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofits with true battle cloak with 5 BOFF stations and the hull that they have.
If you want something, you have to give something first.
(Knowing fed players, if they finally get access to cloaks and battle cloaks and get hit with the nerf bat by losing hull and BOFF stations in exchange for the cloak, there will be an uproar on the forums about the nerf, always complaining, never happy... silly silly feds).
Hear hear! Preach it like it is!
Silly feds. Cloaks are for Klinks. :P
- It's really not in the flavor of Starfleet (the two exceptions are really exceptions and just plot devices anyways)
-I would much rather see Federation ships to increase their ability to detect cloaked ships and (heres the big one) to have Fed' players learn how to team up with Nebula players to better counter cloaking ships. One of the reason why KDF cloakcs work well is that Fed' players dont make attempts to team up and counter cloaking tactics.
-I actually like to know where my coffee maker is at all times. The KDF is still having problems keeping caffeine levels up while cloaked.
There's no real canon reason the feds shouldn't have cloaks -- it comes down to feel and gameplay, which are good enough for me.
I'd like to see, through expository dialogue or something, Cryptic at least make up a reason feds have been unable to mass produce cloaks. Writing around 'canon' issues is a fine Star Trek tradition that should be carried on.
Why? Because I say so. :cool:
If you want something, you have to give something first.
(Knowing fed players, if they finally get access to cloaks and battle cloaks and get hit with the nerf bat by losing hull and BOFF stations in exchange for the cloak, there will be an uproar on the forums about the nerf, always complaining, never happy... silly silly feds).[/QUOTE]
No one ever HAS to give up anything to get something. That battle cry is for PvPrs who just haz to have a perfect and fair homogenous play experience.
This is a game with lots of players. Depriving one side for the sake of another is never welcome. It's just as stupid to expect as all the 'nerf escorts/buff cruisers' pages that serve to take away something someone has paid real money for so someone else can win were they couldn't before.
The argument of the Feds don't fight that way is equally stupid. It's like saying one side can't develope a rifle because the other side has it and doesn't want you to. No one would tolerate something so silly. What that nation WOULD say is go pack sand, stop you aggression or we will definitely make the weapon system you don't want us to have.
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I can only think you are not if thats the basis of your arguement on why the feds deserve cloaking.
The KDF playerbase is "depriving" the fed playerbase!!!!!!! LMAO. Thats rich.
R.I.P
Read the Path to 2409, the games on canon story on why things are as they are.
In there you will find the reason why cloaking is not a widely used fed technology in STO.
R.I.P
Wandering randomly around the galaxy is a special Ferengi merchant. It has no distinguishing features and there's no way to tell it apart from the others on sight. If one can get within .5 ly of it, though, a special "black market" button appears in the interaction menu.
This Ferengi Merchant will offer a special "Discount Cloaking Device" universal console. This console boosts nothing and only comes with a special toggle-able power called "Federation Cloak."
Activating this power causes a large cape-and-hood style cloak to appear around the ship's "neck". This cape is blue and has a Federation logo on it.
This way, everyone will be happy.
There's a very good reason why certain ships can cloak and others cannot. Just like why we don't have full 3D flight and cruisers don't have a 30 turn rate.
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Fed Armada: Section 31 (level 730, 2700+ members)
KDF Armada: Klingon Intelligence (level 699, 2100+ members)
Because the Devs give the superior ships to the KDF (to shut up the players b/c of lack of KDF content) --- that's why.
It's a noble idea of yours, unfortunately, it's limited to a pipe dream.
I could agree with that but under the condition that it works like the b'rel did for 2 years as well as the bortasqu' did. Basically it means if you try to heal yourself you are seen. If you even try to cloak it won't matter because you can still be seen. So thats a big win for the federation to get exactly what we of the KDF had for such a long time
LMAO. That the funniest thing I heard yet in this thread.
No, seriuosly. I almost spotted myself with laughter and then I realized you think its true....
And I laughed some more.
R.I.P
Yes Yes Yes!!!!!!!!!
In what dimension, in what galaxy, on what planet, by which language could you actually believe what I said was not true. (The most recent example...) The 2 newest ships coming into STO are the Fleet Kamarag and Fleet Ambassador.
Breaking down what each one has over the other....
Fleet Kamarag Battle Cruiser
Can Equip Cannons
Extra Universal Consoles
Base Turn Rate: 10.5 degrees per second
Cloaking Device
+10 Weapon Power, +10 Engine Power
VS.
Ambassador Fleet Support Cruiser Retrofit
+4,950 hull
+1 Device Slot
+5 to All Subsystem Power
So..what would YOU rather have?
+10 Weapons, a +3.5 base turn increase, (1) EXTRA Universal Console, along with the ability to equip Cannons
Or.....
+4,950 hull, +1 device slot, and a +5 to subsystems.
And this is just recent ships. It's a repeated pattern in STO. If these 2 ships met in combat, I give the Ambassador a minute, possibly 2, before she goes up in flames.
Would you like to trade ship statistics for the Ambassador and Kamarag? I didn't think so!
Thanks for the entertainment!...Hey, I'll trade you a $50 bill for a $100.
LOOL
Please learn to setup your ship before making such ridiculous accusations.
How about 5 tac console ships, huh? The only KDF ship that has 5 tac.consoles has the turn rate of Saturn! :P
I rarely PvP as Fed., but when I do I rarely get popped, a couple of times only against some of the best KDF players. And I fly a Galaxy - dubbed as the worst ship in STO. lol
There's your KDF superiority.
The only thing you have proven so far is that you know how to read comparison stats. on paper that someone posted, and if I might add, they are inncorect as well. Fortunately enough, the game does not resolve around by comparing papers with charts.
BEST. PROPOSAL. EVER.
You sir, win this tread!
Sounds a little too personal...I think you'd rather diffuse and deflect...and hey why not? I'd rather fly the KDF counterpart over the Fed myself anyway.
BTW, I'm ready (and willingly) open to a PVP match anytime.
If I sounded personal, then I apologize.
Please understand that we KDF players tend to get a bit personal in discussions wheather the Fed. should get that last bits of uniqueness to our faction. Between the lack of content, the lockbox giveaway of the KDF unique consoles and the last announcement that mr.Stahl made that there will be no new Z-Store KDF ships in the forseable future we tend to get a little touchy.
Again, to sound insulting was not my intention, and if I did you have my apology.
P.S. I'd rather fly the KDF counterpart as well....but then I'd rather fly most of KDF ships :P And mind me, not stat-wise, but rather design wise.
However I really really like the Ambassador as well and will be getting one probably before the K'maj, I was one of 'those' that bugged Cryptic for a sci-oriented cruiser for a while now and I must admit they made it to fit my playstyle.
Im still laughing. You based your arguement on the two most recent ships, a cruiser versus a battle cruiser, when everyone knows the fleet Battle Cruisers are better on average than the fleet fed cruisers.
Care to talk about who has the best Escort class vessels or the best science vessels? Care to show me how the fleet Qin or Somraw is superior to the Fleet Defiant?
This is why I laugh. You claim that the KDF has better ships and its just not true. We do have some that are better and we have some that are not. Just as the feds do.
Btw, your $50 is a fake. Why would I trade a benjamin for it?
R.I.P
ROFL... Yeah atleast the KDF battle cruisers can still compete in a DPS race from what this game has turned into. All these noobs saying stuff like my all knowing DPS calculator knows more than your 2+ years of experience. By the time I ever log back into STO I bet the fed side will have battle cloaks on every fed ship though. The connection problems I've gone through today just makes me hate this game even more. They must have put those fed loving hamsters in charge... very horrible game.
But..I thought this is DPS Online...whoops, I mean Star Trek Online :P
If you want a Fleet defiant with battle cloak then you're going to have to sacrifice some hull and a bridge officer station to bring it closer to BoP standard. Eg. Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit has 5 BOFF stations, one more than a Fleet Hoh'Sus. It also has 8250 more hull compared to the Hoh'Sus.
"Depriving one side for the sake of another is never welcome." Is KDF content on par with Federation content? KDF is deprived of content, that is why we get the cooler toys. I have spent money on my KDF characters, I paid good money for unlocks and consoles. The GIVE FEDS CLOAK WAAA WAAA WAAA threads are worse than nerf escort/buff cruiser threads... the cloak topic is a plague in these forums.
Some of us are fans of the series and would like to see a Star Trek game where the IP has not been taken to a viking **** party. Canon is good. Feds dont fight, they have little tea parties and hug, even in a time of war...
Here are some federation options for cloaking. Although these might not be as good a battle cloak they are still sufficient cloaking abilities
- Cloaking Device (Gal-X, Defiant-R).
- Mask Energy Signature.
- Adapted MACO 3 part ability.
- Romulan T5 Ability.
If you're still not happy with those options, play as a KDF toon or GTFO.
I am not sure if this was addressed to me or not. I already stated in an earlier post that I believe only the Defiant and Galaxy X classes should have cloak but that it should be integral to the ship not a console.
I am a Star Trek fan in most ways. There are many things I did not like about it, including the way the main antagonist, the Klingon Empire was so poorly developed in TOS.
My post you seem to be questioning is more a challenge to a poor argument. I prefer some RL logic to be incorporated into story lines to give things a sense of realism and continuity. I also want to see this game fun for ALL players, and nerf raging and changing every time a minority whines and cries OP at the expense of others is something I really do not like.
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