So why do you want to de-value the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship so badly??? People also complained about the Galor requirement to purchase the Spiral Wave Disruptor too...
Same point why de-vaule a dread carrier? What make your ship so much better that my ship i want fly needs to be de-vaule by it? For fact need own it just make my ship better.
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Well real point is why should someone who owns a Dread carrier have to fork out God knows how much money changes to get ship not even going to use and have just sit in a space dock just to Own a bloody fighter bay 200mil Ec or Arm and a Leg?
So what your saying in long run is any ship anyone gets in a lock box or lobi store ship should be De-vauled by fact that someone before hand owns a ship form same faction Or Fact that anyone owns a Jem'hadar Attackship that all other ship should be TRIBBLE next Jem'hadar Attackship...
So that being said my money I paid for a Dread Carrier is worth less then money you paid get a Attackship? so I should of paid in Euros not Us Dollars...
ships form lock boxs should be stand lone ships or at least stand lone pairs!
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] DELTA RISING FIXS THERE NEVER COMING WHY I'M I WASTING MY TIME ASKING FOR THEM ???
I said also to add a sci console to the Jem'hadar attackship... that not de-vauled beside that ship needs one more sci console.
So now your saying, that to increase the value of a ship you own, you want to make one of the best tactical ships in the game even more over powered and destroy game balance... So whats the justice in this?
So that being said my money I paid for a Dread Carrier is worth less then money you paid get a Attackship? so I should of paid in Euros not Us Dollars...
Now you should have known that the Dread Carrier didn't come with Jem'Hadar Attack pet when you purchased it. So why does this suddenly make it worth less after the fact...
So now your saying, that to increase the value of a ship you own, you want to make one of the best tactical ships in the game even more over powered and destroy game balance... So whats the justice in this?
Now you should have known that the Dread Carrier didn't come with Jem'Hadar Attack pet when you purchased it. So why does this suddenly make it worth less after the fact...
To be fair, most people don't know the requirement. I didn't for awhile, but then again I don't have the carrier, just the JHAS. However, I don't think owning the JHAS should be a requirement for the pet for the Dread to use it as a pet. I also don't think the JHAS should be buffed either. It's powerful enough on it's own.
The situation with the Galor and its spiral waves is not the same thing. If you have a Galor, you can buy and use spiral wave disruptors on any of your ships. If you have a Dreadnaught, it comes with a unique feature that is specific to the Dreadnaught and that is locked by default. It can only be unlocked by getting a different ship with a different play style which serves no purpose for the Dreadnaught owner.
There isn't any existing comparison in the game because this is the first time Cryptic has been this perverse. But basically, Dreadnaught not being able to use bug pets without owning a playable Bug is like a Kumari not being able to use any kind of energy weapon except phasers unless you also own a Bortas. Which would be dumb.
Nobody wants to buff or nerf the Bug in relation to Dreadnaught ownership. The two don't have anything in common except a color scheme.
If you can't afford a JHAS what makes you think you deserve the pets? If you expect to have everything handed to you on a silver platter perhaps this isn't the game for you.
Dstahl and Gecko are always trying to run this stupid ****, sadly Dstahl does it more than gecko.
gecko is only following his overlord the mighty ruiner of peoples mood.
the only real and pure reason behind this hangar scheme on the dreadnaught is pure greed and the fact dstahl laughs at people trying to play the game they way they want.
i mean look at it.
first he ruined dilithium and due to the fury of the players he had to remake it.
now he does this stupid stunt the guy obviuously dont know what hes doing ?
Locking the hangar pets with a tottaly diffrent ship is just pure greed and stupidity.
welcome to the top 10 of worst people on the planet mr D
Im so sick and tired of this always putting players down.
You ruin the joy of the game with these stupid moves.
My friends left the game couse of these changes.
How hard is it really to look at things from a normal players perspektive before you put your plans in motion ?
Do you have any guilt at all ?
And the lack of honor to respond to the forum posts thats over 50 pages is i dont have the words to describe it.
For the love of god man try and act like a human being sometime and do whats right thats all the players ask of you. its not that hard.
Is it morally justified to lock a hangar to a 400 mill ec ship on a tottaly diffrent ship ?
NO the answer is clearly no.
Is the Klingons hangars locked to diffrent ships ? no its not
So why the hell should these ?
MORALS MAN MORALS
stop trying to ruin peoples mood and get out there enjoy the sun and become a real person.
If only they fix Cloaking bugg *new message BOOM decloacked.
Tell me, do you own all 3 with those pets?
Do you own The Vo'quv with the BOP pets
The Kar'fi with the Advanced Fer'Jai Frigate
and the JHDC with the JHAS pets?
Because... I do...
And I have weighed the values of them all...
On top of being able to post links to references about their stats...
And I still find NO reasonable justification for the JHAS requirement to unlock the JHAS pets.
Any justification I can think of, isn't reasonable, and in fact almost is always followed by personal greed or a desire to antagonist and goad others.
Oh yes, I have thought about reasons to sit here and fan the flames of favoritism for the lock out...
But every time I consider supporting the lock out, I see the reasons why I would make that choice, being of pure greed and intentionally hostile and antagonistic, exploiting an opportunity to goad other members...
So realizing that, I choose NOT to support the lock out.
The values of the ships do not support it. The added concern of factional balance issues does not add any where near enough weight to support it. The physiological effect on the community goes directly against it.
You didn't need to type all that.
The answer was greed, pure and simple they want your money.
And the truth is there will be a bunch of Dreadnaught owners that rather stick any kind of principle who will be lapping up these packs and Cryptic will once again be proven right in it's hunch that it could milk STO players so easily.
If you can't afford a JHAS what makes you think you deserve the pets? If you expect to have everything handed to you on a silver platter perhaps this isn't the game for you.
Lol or perhaps the game is run by a team that wants to bleed people dry, that being the case the point is the same, stop playing the damn game.
If you despise how the game is being run, don't play, don't buy, do something else.
Perhaps, you'll realize you don't make any gawd damn sense. You're argument holds no weight, you're wasting your own time, especially since you already have the JHAS.
A prize is a thing given to the winner of say of a competition or race or in recognition of outstanding achievement, you half-wit. Lotteries are a process or thing where success of winning is governed by chance.
Since there is an option to just buy the JHAS now since prices have dropped you can avoid the 'lottery' way.
The more guys like you try to convince others on here to cry a river along with you, the more you'll have someone like myself hit you back with reality and in my method usually in an a-hole-ish way for emphasis.
Its not greed... its business. So Go ahead and keep testing. Your ramblings are a waste of your lives.
Ah, insults. The last resort of the immature loser of an argument.
Not that I expect much maturity given your sig. Lowest common denominator is the order of the day.
Just to respond to your so-called argument. Did you seriously, seriously just compare winning a JHAS to an athletic competition, or an "outstanding achievement"?
Allow me to laugh in your face: "HA. HA. HA." Last I checked, they did not give out a Nobel Prize in the Field of Random Luck.
I have already addressed the issue of buying a JHAS and why you don't deserve a prize for that either.
The fact that you can't wrap your head around the idea that someone with a JHAS would criticise this requirement shows you are a child who has yet to understand much other than "I HAS THE SHINY" and you also have very little empathy. Perhaps your parents need some lessons on how to properly raise a child.
Whatever the case, stop wasting everyone's time with your inane ramblings and grow up.
Ah, insults. The last resort of the immature loser of an argument.
Not that I expect much maturity given your sig. Lowest common denominator is the order of the day.
Just to respond to your so-called argument. Did you seriously, seriously just compare winning a JHAS to an athletic competition, or an "outstanding achievement"?
Allow me to laugh in your face: "HA. HA. HA." Last I checked, they did not give out a Nobel Prize in the Field of Random Luck.
I have already addressed the issue of buying a JHAS and why you don't deserve a prize for that either. So please, stop wasting everyone's time with your inane ramblings.
There is not point in wasting your time, he's a classic disappointment troll, they show up on these threads to cause butthurt to players who feel like their getting screwed by the developers.
There is not point in wasting your time, he's a classic disappointment troll, they show up on these threads to cause butthurt to players who feel like their getting screwed by the developers.
Just ignore him.
I know, I likely will after this. But I just have to put these kids in their place sometimes.
I tire of them stomping around declaring that they have the shiny and should get special treatment for it, doesn't matter if it's a random loot drop or a pay2win item or something like this. It's amazing what a digital item can do to a person's psyche just because it's rare.
Actually a better plan is to never pay for anything again, don't buy zen, cut them off from their money and drain the server with your toons.
The requirement is BS and everyone knows it. The only people I don't hear complaining about it are the ones with a bug ship or the ones that don't have the dreadnought and never will.
The Galor had spiral wave added to the dil store so you could buy more to outfit your ship, because they were not galor only you can use on any ship.
Look at KDF, got the Karfi, you can buy adv Fer'jai frigates only FOR USE ON THE KARFI and the requirement is just that you own the carrier they are designed for. Same for B'Rolth BoPs you need the Vo'quv to buy them because they're used on that ship and that ship only.
JHAS pets are for use on the Jem dreadnought and only that ship, having the requirement to own another ship (and one of the most expensive) doesn't fit in.
JHAS pets are for use on the Jem dreadnought and only that ship, having the requirement to own another ship (and one of the most expensive) doesn't fit in.
Fits in perfectly well with Cryptic wanting to fleece a captive market. Which is exactly what they are doing, which is why they haven't responded to any thread on this matter because there is no excuse beyond greed.
To be fair, most people don't know the requirement. I didn't for awhile, but then again I don't have the carrier, just the JHAS. However, I don't think owning the JHAS should be a requirement for the pet for the Dread to use it as a pet. I also don't think the JHAS should be buffed either. It's powerful enough on it's own.
All you had to do is know how to read, I read from day one that you needed to have the JHAS in order to unlock those pets...trouble with people these days they don't read the fine print and jump into some without knowing.
Can't have a honest conversation because of a white knight with power
The situation with the Galor and its spiral waves is not the same thing. If you have a Galor, you can buy and use spiral wave disruptors on any of your ships. If you have a Dreadnaught, it comes with a unique feature that is specific to the Dreadnaught and that is locked by default. It can only be unlocked by getting a different ship with a different play style which serves no purpose for the Dreadnaught owner.....
So if you want a situation that is similar, there's the requirement that to get the ship specific special console for your Fleet Ship variant, you must already have purchased the C-Store version first... And having to purchase and own a inferior variant of the ship gives the owner of Fleet Ship little benefit outside of having the special console, and a reduction in the Ship Module requirements.
vactuskasun said >To be fair, most people don't know the requirement. I didn't for awhile, but then again I don't have the carrier, just the JHAS. However, I don't think owning the JHAS should be a requirement for the pet for the Dread to use it as a pet. I also don't think the JHAS should be buffed either. It's powerful enough on it's own.
The situation with the Galor and its spiral waves is not the same thing. If you have a Galor, you can buy and use spiral wave disruptors on any of your ships. If you have a Dreadnaught, it comes with a unique feature that is specific to the Dreadnaught and that is locked by default. It can only be unlocked by getting a different ship with a different play style which serves no purpose for the Dreadnaught owner.
There isn't any existing comparison in the game because this is the first time Cryptic has been this perverse. But basically, Dreadnaught not being able to use bug pets without owning a playable Bug is like a Kumari not being able to use any kind of energy weapon except phasers unless you also own a Bortas. Which would be dumb.
Nobody wants to buff or nerf the Bug in relation to Dreadnaught ownership. The two don't have anything in common except a color scheme.
Agree but Galor Can stand alone no issues same goes for the Attack Ship D'kora ...etc Why Dread carrier should have be a gimple ship for fact that need own Attackship to use a Fighter bay is BS. Pure and simply this is greed at its best and everyone knows it...
The Math!
That being said Let's assume you are as unlucky as I apparently only get 4 crystals per box. That means I have to open 200 boxes to get the crystals needed to buy it. Dread carrier so 200 Keys its less then that but 4 lobi is about standard drop so need spend 22,500 zen rough $200 bucks because drop rate lobi goings up and down or you can by the packs right now with very very very low chance of getting a Attackship so dread carrier will work! and that 18,640 zen for 800 lobi $180bucks... so say get aleast Dreadcarrier ok...
So here the point! say spend maybe $190 and get 800 lobi So I get Dread carrier it cost a lil more because lobi to lock boxs drops because wanted Escort too...
$190 + $X = :mad: or if want the escort too... $190 + $X +$Z =:mad::mad:
X is Price paided until get a Attackship and Z is price you paided to unlock boxs to get a Jem'Hadar Heavy Escort! but lets make up 2 numbers extreme cases of numbers Lucky pack 233 zen is $2.33 and key is 125 zen $1.25 or Let also say really Unlucky say it takes 65 packs 15145 zen is $140 bucks and 89 keys is 10125 zen $100 bucks
Lucky> $190+ $2.33= $192.33 or $190+ $2.33 + $1.25 =$193.58
Unlucky >$190+ $140 = $330 or $190+$140+$100= $430
Super Unlucky > who really wants to Know?
Like said before I would gladly pay 200 lobi for a very rare Attackship fighter bay over playing the Chance game...
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] DELTA RISING FIXS THERE NEVER COMING WHY I'M I WASTING MY TIME ASKING FOR THEM ???
I view the JHAS hanger pets as a fine wine that compliments the Dreadnought. They're excellent performers and only available to an elite subset of players who put the time and effort in to collect rare ships, as it should be.
Another who wants to test. Im actually not the one complaining. Well, still, just a waste of time. The requirements stand, so accept the reality.
Oh we accept the reality, we just choose to keep screaming at the top of our lungs, and so what if we are children throwing a temper tantrum? what concern is it of yours?
do you somehow feel superior to talk down to others? or do you just have nothing to do and trolling is all you got.
I was just saying that he could also be considered a child throwing a tantrum and he started attacking me which only proves my point.
exactly, now had they not been a troll, they would have used some careful wording, to get their intelligent point across.
instead they use surface insults which insinuate they just want to inflict some form of response to either their intelligence(undeserved ego) or to the observation effect(learning about your targets responses) I would assume the latter had they not repeated it multiple times and in the wrong times.
I view the JHAS hanger pets as a fine wine that compliments the Dreadnought. They're excellent performers and only available to an elite subset of players who put the time and effort in to collect rare ships, as it should be.
They're excellent hanger pets by the way.
Good for you Richie Rich it shouldn't be that way! the mass pay for this game not elite few!
When sto kill over and you can't play with your ship because game shut down remeber its because dev cared more about ripping off player/customer base for every dime... rather then making the game better!
Jem'Hadar Attackship didn't need Grandfather! to
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Same point why de-vaule a dread carrier? What make your ship so much better that my ship i want fly needs to be de-vaule by it? For fact need own it just make my ship better.
DELTA RISING FIXS THERE NEVER COMING WHY I'M I WASTING MY TIME ASKING FOR THEM ???
DELTA RISING FIXS THERE NEVER COMING WHY I'M I WASTING MY TIME ASKING FOR THEM ???
The attack ship doesn't need to be buffed.
So what your saying in long run is any ship anyone gets in a lock box or lobi store ship should be De-vauled by fact that someone before hand owns a ship form same faction Or Fact that anyone owns a Jem'hadar Attackship that all other ship should be TRIBBLE next Jem'hadar Attackship...
So that being said my money I paid for a Dread Carrier is worth less then money you paid get a Attackship? so I should of paid in Euros not Us Dollars...
ships form lock boxs should be stand lone ships or at least stand lone pairs!
DELTA RISING FIXS THERE NEVER COMING WHY I'M I WASTING MY TIME ASKING FOR THEM ???
Now you should have known that the Dread Carrier didn't come with Jem'Hadar Attack pet when you purchased it. So why does this suddenly make it worth less after the fact...
To be fair, most people don't know the requirement. I didn't for awhile, but then again I don't have the carrier, just the JHAS. However, I don't think owning the JHAS should be a requirement for the pet for the Dread to use it as a pet. I also don't think the JHAS should be buffed either. It's powerful enough on it's own.
There isn't any existing comparison in the game because this is the first time Cryptic has been this perverse. But basically, Dreadnaught not being able to use bug pets without owning a playable Bug is like a Kumari not being able to use any kind of energy weapon except phasers unless you also own a Bortas. Which would be dumb.
Nobody wants to buff or nerf the Bug in relation to Dreadnaught ownership. The two don't have anything in common except a color scheme.
If you really want to get those pets you had best pull up your bootstraps and get a JHAS off the exchange.
gecko is only following his overlord the mighty ruiner of peoples mood.
the only real and pure reason behind this hangar scheme on the dreadnaught is pure greed and the fact dstahl laughs at people trying to play the game they way they want.
i mean look at it.
first he ruined dilithium and due to the fury of the players he had to remake it.
now he does this stupid stunt the guy obviuously dont know what hes doing ?
Locking the hangar pets with a tottaly diffrent ship is just pure greed and stupidity.
welcome to the top 10 of worst people on the planet mr D
Im so sick and tired of this always putting players down.
You ruin the joy of the game with these stupid moves.
My friends left the game couse of these changes.
How hard is it really to look at things from a normal players perspektive before you put your plans in motion ?
Do you have any guilt at all ?
And the lack of honor to respond to the forum posts thats over 50 pages is i dont have the words to describe it.
For the love of god man try and act like a human being sometime and do whats right thats all the players ask of you. its not that hard.
Is it morally justified to lock a hangar to a 400 mill ec ship on a tottaly diffrent ship ?
NO the answer is clearly no.
Is the Klingons hangars locked to diffrent ships ? no its not
So why the hell should these ?
MORALS MAN MORALS
stop trying to ruin peoples mood and get out there enjoy the sun and become a real person.
You didn't need to type all that.
The answer was greed, pure and simple they want your money.
And the truth is there will be a bunch of Dreadnaught owners that rather stick any kind of principle who will be lapping up these packs and Cryptic will once again be proven right in it's hunch that it could milk STO players so easily.
The players keep on perpetuating this cycle.
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Lol or perhaps the game is run by a team that wants to bleed people dry, that being the case the point is the same, stop playing the damn game.
If you despise how the game is being run, don't play, don't buy, do something else.
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Ah, insults. The last resort of the immature loser of an argument.
Not that I expect much maturity given your sig. Lowest common denominator is the order of the day.
Just to respond to your so-called argument. Did you seriously, seriously just compare winning a JHAS to an athletic competition, or an "outstanding achievement"?
Allow me to laugh in your face: "HA. HA. HA." Last I checked, they did not give out a Nobel Prize in the Field of Random Luck.
I have already addressed the issue of buying a JHAS and why you don't deserve a prize for that either.
The fact that you can't wrap your head around the idea that someone with a JHAS would criticise this requirement shows you are a child who has yet to understand much other than "I HAS THE SHINY" and you also have very little empathy. Perhaps your parents need some lessons on how to properly raise a child.
Whatever the case, stop wasting everyone's time with your inane ramblings and grow up.
There is not point in wasting your time, he's a classic disappointment troll, they show up on these threads to cause butthurt to players who feel like their getting screwed by the developers.
Just ignore him.
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I know, I likely will after this. But I just have to put these kids in their place sometimes.
I tire of them stomping around declaring that they have the shiny and should get special treatment for it, doesn't matter if it's a random loot drop or a pay2win item or something like this. It's amazing what a digital item can do to a person's psyche just because it's rare.
The requirement is BS and everyone knows it. The only people I don't hear complaining about it are the ones with a bug ship or the ones that don't have the dreadnought and never will.
The Galor had spiral wave added to the dil store so you could buy more to outfit your ship, because they were not galor only you can use on any ship.
Look at KDF, got the Karfi, you can buy adv Fer'jai frigates only FOR USE ON THE KARFI and the requirement is just that you own the carrier they are designed for. Same for B'Rolth BoPs you need the Vo'quv to buy them because they're used on that ship and that ship only.
JHAS pets are for use on the Jem dreadnought and only that ship, having the requirement to own another ship (and one of the most expensive) doesn't fit in.
It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.
Has damage got out of control?
This is the last thing I will post.
Fits in perfectly well with Cryptic wanting to fleece a captive market. Which is exactly what they are doing, which is why they haven't responded to any thread on this matter because there is no excuse beyond greed.
#2311#2700#2316#2500
All you had to do is know how to read, I read from day one that you needed to have the JHAS in order to unlock those pets...trouble with people these days they don't read the fine print and jump into some without knowing.
Well the same can be said about you.
Agree but Galor Can stand alone no issues same goes for the Attack Ship D'kora ...etc Why Dread carrier should have be a gimple ship for fact that need own Attackship to use a Fighter bay is BS. Pure and simply this is greed at its best and everyone knows it...
The Math!
That being said Let's assume you are as unlucky as I apparently only get 4 crystals per box. That means I have to open 200 boxes to get the crystals needed to buy it. Dread carrier so 200 Keys its less then that but 4 lobi is about standard drop so need spend 22,500 zen rough $200 bucks because drop rate lobi goings up and down or you can by the packs right now with very very very low chance of getting a Attackship so dread carrier will work! and that 18,640 zen for 800 lobi $180bucks... so say get aleast Dreadcarrier ok...
So here the point! say spend maybe $190 and get 800 lobi So I get Dread carrier it cost a lil more because lobi to lock boxs drops because wanted Escort too...
$190 + $X = :mad: or if want the escort too... $190 + $X +$Z =:mad::mad:
X is Price paided until get a Attackship and Z is price you paided to unlock boxs to get a Jem'Hadar Heavy Escort! but lets make up 2 numbers extreme cases of numbers Lucky pack 233 zen is $2.33 and key is 125 zen $1.25 or Let also say really Unlucky say it takes 65 packs 15145 zen is $140 bucks and 89 keys is 10125 zen $100 bucks
Lucky> $190+ $2.33= $192.33 or $190+ $2.33 + $1.25 =$193.58
Unlucky >$190+ $140 = $330 or $190+$140+$100= $430
Super Unlucky > who really wants to Know?
Like said before I would gladly pay 200 lobi for a very rare Attackship fighter bay over playing the Chance game...
DELTA RISING FIXS THERE NEVER COMING WHY I'M I WASTING MY TIME ASKING FOR THEM ???
They're excellent hanger pets by the way.
Oh we accept the reality, we just choose to keep screaming at the top of our lungs, and so what if we are children throwing a temper tantrum? what concern is it of yours?
do you somehow feel superior to talk down to others? or do you just have nothing to do and trolling is all you got.
exactly, now had they not been a troll, they would have used some careful wording, to get their intelligent point across.
instead they use surface insults which insinuate they just want to inflict some form of response to either their intelligence(undeserved ego) or to the observation effect(learning about your targets responses) I would assume the latter had they not repeated it multiple times and in the wrong times.
Need I say more?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0&list=PL0F2903F716D83AA4&index=19
Good for you Richie Rich it shouldn't be that way! the mass pay for this game not elite few!
When sto kill over and you can't play with your ship because game shut down remeber its because dev cared more about ripping off player/customer base for every dime... rather then making the game better!
Jem'Hadar Attackship didn't need Grandfather! to
DELTA RISING FIXS THERE NEVER COMING WHY I'M I WASTING MY TIME ASKING FOR THEM ???