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Feedback: MKXII Jem'Hadar Set Upgrades (Space and Ground)

joshmaaaaaaansjoshmaaaaaaans Member Posts: 32 Arc User
Is this some kind of an early april fools joke? 200 lobi for 50 crew recovery rate? Lol
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  • bareelbareel Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Can you list the full stats if you have time? Or a screen shot of them?
  • joshmaaaaaaansjoshmaaaaaaans Member Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    XI: http://imageupload.co.uk/files/cbctb95ug8aeihxp3sun.jpg

    XII: http://imageupload.co.uk/files/8yd48vjmt5jpfmobq1ok.jpg

    Extremely minimal shield buff, wasnt even +50 crew recovery rate, lol, Not even +2 to deflector stats, impulse doesnt change. Guessing the set bonus is upped by a minimal amount.

    Worth 200 lobi? Check these stats and decide before you take the dive.
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  • corgatagcorgatag Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Pretty much all XI->XIIs and T5-T5.5 upgrades are a ~7% upgrade at an disproportionately high price (including consoles, weapons, and fleet ships).

    I think this is a good design. It's a little boost for the people who have run out things to do, and completely optional part of the game for everyone else.
  • bareelbareel Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Thanks, they look comparable to the romulan/reman set.

    Basically JUNK compared to maco/omega/borg sadly. Is the +polaron damage boost a bit higher at least?
  • mewimewi Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Literally it is like 20 + dollars for the MK XII version, and the increase is meaningless. It is +100 to shields and 1.5 to the deflector modifiers.

    Is there something I missed about this? Basically making customers pay for an additional I in the name.


    The Jem shield hasn't been worthwhile since its initial release, why is it getting shafted again? Maco Shield is dominating everything, can't you make jem space set shields compete with it? and maybe make the decloaking skill on the set... work more effectively? It isn't like it is going to hurt game balance or anything and you are making customers pay through the nose for it anyway.

    Fortunately I was experienced enough to check the stats before purchasing, not so many will have that luxury.
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  • galr25galr25 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Any worth in the Ground set ? I quite like using it on my KDF Cardassian and woundering if the investment in lobi will be worth it?
  • edna#7310 edna Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Thing is the stats are not the the upgrade thing so people cant know what the upgrade is or has.Thats not even a sale trick...its just cheap trading like the type of trading we see on streets in less developed countries (no PWE origins pun intended)
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    The ground armor is supposed to have an appropriate Jem'Hadar look to it so it might be worth it for that reason alone. Although the look is only available when the armor is equipped.
  • corgatagcorgatag Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    adrianm63 wrote: »
    Thing is the stats are not the the upgrade thing so people cant know what the upgrade is or has.Thats not even a sale trick...its just cheap trading like the type of trading we see on streets in less developed countries (no PWE origins pun intended)

    I think it is less of a sales trick and more of a development cost thing.

    It's a development cost thing and not a simple matter of changing the tooltip on the requisistion because item stats tend to change depending on whether you're on the ground, what ship you're currently flying, and your current power levels.
  • philosopherephilosophere Member Posts: 607 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Did anyone notice that the mk XII engines price is no different than the mk XI's?

    Could they have forgotten to change the details and the engine is somewhat better?

    Higher power to weapons, better turnrate and speed.... would the set be worth it then? Especially if fitted on the flying brick carrier?
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  • edna#7310 edna Member Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    corgatag wrote: »
    I think it is less of a sales trick and more of a development cost thing.

    It's a development cost thing and not a simple matter of changing the tooltip on the requisistion because item stats tend to change depending on whether you're on the ground, what ship you're currently flying, and your current power levels.


    if you cant afford to sell something dont sell.You dont see me selling Roll Royce cars.
  • badname834854badname834854 Member Posts: 1,186 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    This is TRIBBLE. The upgradeable Environmental suit at least adds something - this "upgrade" doesn't add jack and isn't worth the expenditure. It needs a SERIOUS boost.

    Didn't the Lockbox Blog say something to the effect of making it "on par with other endgame sets"?
  • badname834854badname834854 Member Posts: 1,186 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    It doesn't add squat worth mentioning and adds an "I" to it, that's all. No worthy boost in performance. So you get a costume. Whooptie-frakkimn-do.


    What a waste of an opportunity here - they coulda made a very interesting set on the cheap.

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  • darkjeffdarkjeff Member Posts: 2,590 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Did anyone notice that the mk XII engines price is no different than the mk XI's?

    Could they have forgotten to change the details and the engine is somewhat better?

    Higher power to weapons, better turnrate and speed.... would the set be worth it then? Especially if fitted on the flying brick carrier?

    Engines always seem bugged. The first time I played, I remember comparing Mk IX with Mk XI, and the tool-tip was exactly the same. In system space the Mk XI was faster and turned better though (reflected in the ship status screen).
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,162 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    that and the costume is stuck on the armor....so you can't put your boffs in it unless you buy several or put them i nthe armor.
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  • badname834854badname834854 Member Posts: 1,186 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I was referring to the space set...but yeah...
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,162 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I was referring to the space set...but yeah...

    ohh, my bad soz. I assumed ground from the "so you get a costume" part.
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  • kreugekreuge Member Posts: 48 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Jem space set upgrade is not worth the lobi. Less than 200 added to shields and same engine stamped with Mk XII. I wasted my lobi. Will not even consider buying the ground upgrade. Huge disappointment.
  • kiriseekirisee Member Posts: 446 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    What can i say.....i hate to chime here and speak...but really...what a let down....was expecting something at least "DECENT" lol


    And another great way to blow things Cryptic, everytime you get a chance to do good by your players, you seem to just blow it..why?????????
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  • razhgalrazhgal Member Posts: 74 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    are the stats difference posted somewherE?
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  • sparhawksparhawk Member Posts: 796 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    kreuge wrote: »
    Jem space set upgrade is not worth the lobi. Less than 200 added to shields and same engine stamped with Mk XII. I wasted my lobi. Will not even consider buying the ground upgrade. Huge disappointment.

    That's just horrible, thanks for the information.
  • aelfwin1aelfwin1 Member Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I hate to be on the side of Cryptic on this but could it be that the did not want this mk12 set to boost the Bug too much ?
    Remember that ship ... ?
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  • badname834854badname834854 Member Posts: 1,186 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    aelfwin1 wrote: »
    I hate to be on the side of Cryptic on this but could it be that the did not want this mk12 set to boost the Bug too much ?
    Remember that ship ... ?
    One of the curses of STO since Dec. 2012 ... . :cool:

    Saeing as how the buff to Jem Hadar/ Galor ships is a separate boost, it wouldn't be hard to ameliorate it.
  • tribbleorlfltribbleorlfl Member Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Thanks for the heads up, was thinking about buying keys in order to get the lobi to get the set. Thanks for saving me the $.
  • johngazmanjohngazman Member Posts: 2,826 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    A set that we already own and we're being asked for 200 Lobi (150 for the ground set) to "Upgrade" it to Mk XII

    No. This is not on. Mk XII Jem'Hadar set should be obtainable in-game, without using Lobi. Especially if it's as garbage as everyone says. Same goes for any other Mk XI set that's already in game.
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  • badname834854badname834854 Member Posts: 1,186 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Great. Got thread merged into oblivion.
  • candariecandarie Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    After reading http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=804951 and seeing this:
    For some time now, many players have been requesting the option to upgrade different types of existing gear into equipment that is more suitable for high-end content, such as that found in Special Task Forces or certain high-difficulty queued events like ?No Win Scenario.? We?re happy to announce that the Dominion Lock Box is going to offer players the option of doing exactly that.

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    All of this upgraded gear is not only leveled up to Mk XII, but also has additional increases to its stats and enhancements, making all of it much more useful for conquering high-end content.

    I excitedly bought upgrades for my shelved JH11 gear. There's another thread going about the joke of a Space Set already too. I'm sorry to report that the upgraded items do not actually contain additional upgrades. The items appear to have undergone a template upgrade to MKXII and nothing else.

    The increases over unupgraded items are:
    Weapon: +8.3 dps only. No other changes
    Armor: +1.1 Health Regen, +18.6 Resist, +7.6 Shield Regen
    Shield: +31.1 Shield Cap, Lose 20% Phaser / Disrupt Resist, Gain 10% Resist All

    These items are weaker than Advanced Fleet outright (same approximate stats, but minus special abilities) and weaker than MKXII STF gear in both stats and abilities. For an extra kick in the rear, the promised costume option does not look like the Jem Hadar in DS9 or the Jem Hadar Boff. The colors are way off and the key elements are missing (no pointed shoulders, ketracel attach, nothing).

    Put simply, these items are horrible and did absolutely none of what was advertised.
  • candariecandarie Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Forum Admins: The Ground Set is not the Space Set, please do not merge into the space set thread where the information cannot be found. I know the Space Set thread exists and that is why I did not post this in the Space Set thread, because it is not for the Space Set.

    After reading http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=804951 and seeing this:
    For some time now, many players have been requesting the option to upgrade different types of existing gear into equipment that is more suitable for high-end content, such as that found in Special Task Forces or certain high-difficulty queued events like ?No Win Scenario.? We?re happy to announce that the Dominion Lock Box is going to offer players the option of doing exactly that.

    &&
    All of this upgraded gear is not only leveled up to Mk XII, but also has additional increases to its stats and enhancements, making all of it much more useful for conquering high-end content.

    I excitedly bought upgrades for my shelved JH11 gear. There's another thread going about the joke of a Space Set already too. I'm sorry to report that the upgraded items do not actually contain additional upgrades. The items appear to have undergone a template upgrade to MKXII and nothing else.

    The increases over unupgraded items are:
    Weapon: +8.3 dps only. No other changes
    Armor: +1.1 Health Regen, +18.6 Resist, +7.6 Shield Regen
    Shield: +31.1 Shield Cap, Lose 20% Phaser / Disrupt Resist, Gain 10% Resist All

    These items are weaker than Advanced Fleet outright (same approximate stats, but minus special abilities) and weaker than MKXII STF gear in both stats and abilities. For an extra kick in the rear, the promised costume option does not look like the Jem Hadar in DS9 or the Jem Hadar Boff. The colors are way off and the key elements are missing (no pointed shoulders, ketracel attach, nothing).

    Put simply, these items are horrible and did absolutely none of what was advertised.
  • eisenw0lfeisenw0lf Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Could you provide us with a screenshot of the armor?
  • admgreeradmgreer Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Also the XII Jem Hadar Eng stats are identical to the XI stats.
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