Even with the "adjustments", the space set is woefully inadequate for endgame, mainly due to the shield's underwhelming capacity. It's a shame, because with a decent shield cap, it could be a viable, interesting alternative to the holy triumvirate that Cryptic is seemingly forcing upon us.
Even with the "adjustments", the space set is woefully inadequate for endgame, mainly due to the shield's underwhelming capacity. It's a shame, because with a decent shield cap, it could be a viable, interesting alternative to the holy triumvirate that Cryptic is seemingly forcing upon us.
It is still a good resilient shield that has 10% all energy reduction.
Yes it is lower in capacity, but it is not meant to compete with Omega gear in the first place....
i just got the game a few weeks ago and the dominion is my favorite race. When i found out the dominion box was next i was so happy i immediately went out an spent 100 to buy boxes becuase i wanted to support the game. I was also extremely happy to hear about the bug pets. Now that i am close to getting the dread i looked up the bug pets and found out i can't get them. The cheapest attack ship costs 500mil. there is no way i can enjoy the game and make that kind of money at the same time. Is there any chance of removing the attack ship requirement. The Jem'Hadar set is being upgraded why not make the bug pets 100k dilitium or something.
Even with the "adjustments", the space set is woefully inadequate for endgame, mainly due to the shield's underwhelming capacity. It's a shame, because with a decent shield cap, it could be a viable, interesting alternative to the holy triumvirate that Cryptic is seemingly forcing upon us.
I have been using the MK XI set with a Tactical,Engineer,and Science character and with a escort,Breen ship, and science ship and have done well in it. Sure it may not be as good as some other sets but that does not make it inadequate. It also does well in Starbase 24,Klingon Scout force, and Gorn Minefield. Anyone who wants to do STF space mission even Elite missions for the first time should have it. The Mk XII version will be even better making a viable alternative to other sets.
I do like the ground set, though I can't claim it's a major upgrade from the Mk XI version.
My only criticism- which applies to both Mk XI and XII-- is the very long recharge on the 3/3 bonus. Three minutes is to long for what's basically a rechargeable hypo. Should be about one minute.
I do like the ground set, though I can't claim it's a major upgrade from the Mk XI version.
My only criticism- which applies to both Mk XI and XII-- is the very long recharge on the 3/3 bonus. Three minutes is to long for what's basically a rechargeable hypo. Should be about one minute.
I'd be ok if they split the difference and made it 90-second.
Thanks for everyone's feedback on the Jem'Hadar Set upgrades. While we continue to evaluate the great feedback in this thread, there will be a few changes to the space set with tomorrow's patch: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528631
Please continue to post your constructive feedback about these sets in this thread -- the team will continue to watch for and consider it.
Thanks for everyone's feedback on the Jem'Hadar Set upgrades. While we continue to evaluate the great feedback in this thread, there will be a few changes to the space set with tomorrow's patch: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528631
Please continue to post your constructive feedback about these sets in this thread -- the team will continue to watch for and consider it.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
The ground set is/was suffering from the same anemic upgrades to mk xii. Will it get a once -over as well? will we be able to edit the costume at the tailor, or at least get a costume that is MORE Jem Hadar-ish?
Dominion Synergy (2pc Bonus) has had its bonuses increased by 50%.
- Antiproton Sweep will now disable Cloaks for longer (12sec, vs 10sec), drain more Shields per use (approx 20% increase), and recharges faster (90sec vs 120sec).
So why none of this? Are these changes just taking longer or are they no longer planned?
Thanks for everyone's feedback on the Jem'Hadar Set upgrades. While we continue to evaluate the great feedback in this thread, there will be a few changes to the space set with tomorrow's patch: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528631
Please continue to post your constructive feedback about these sets in this thread -- the team will continue to watch for and consider it.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
I await the patch notes stating that Omega, Maco and the Honor Guard sets will be getting buffed as well.
Or, you might as well fully embrace p2w as a company, put those sets in the lobi store and just be done with it...... :rolleyes:
Thanks for everyone's feedback on the Jem'Hadar Set upgrades. While we continue to evaluate the great feedback in this thread, there will be a few changes to the space set with tomorrow's patch: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=528631
Please continue to post your constructive feedback about these sets in this thread -- the team will continue to watch for and consider it.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
Is that it?
No:
- Lobi Price on Space Set upgrade reduced from 200 to 150, to match with other Set Upgrade item prices.
- Dominion Synergy (2pc Bonus) has had its bonuses increased by 50%.
- Antiproton Sweep will now disable Cloaks for longer (12sec, vs 10sec), drain more Shields per use (approx 20% increase), and recharges faster (90sec vs 120sec).
Huzzah! looks like my fleet saber is getting out of drydock earlier than expected! This makes me happy While waiting for the upgrade, i picked up a mirror patrol escort to fly in the interim and toy with builds, but now i get my baby back! Thanks Cryptic!
Hence the Mk XII Jem Space set is more akin to the OMEGA/BORG/MACO seta and in fact requires more money or grinding than any other set in the game, it should be accordingly at least on a par with those sets, preferrably better imo.
Exactly, yet it's clear they never intended for that to be the case:
Before I detail the improvements we'll be making, I'd like to remind players that we still intend for STF/Omega and Starbase/Embassy gear to be superior in scope to items that can be obtained from Missions and/or Lobi Store. It's possible that our original blog was worded in a way that could easily be misinterpreted to mean otherwise, but it was not our intent to imply that the Jem'Hadar Mk XII upgrades would end up having similar stats/bonuses/procs to Omega & Fleet gear. Our intent was, instead, simply to allow this gear to remain somewhat competitive in our more difficult end-game content. It's an upgrade, not a fundamental re-design.
This set was a pure moneygrabber from the outset, and still is.
I don't think the two types of sets are comparable, the OMEGA/MACO/BORG require dilithium and marks amongst other things to obtain, the Mk XII Jem set requires 200 Lobi (hopefully falling to 150) which is around $40 worth of Zen to buy the amount of keys required, or around 5 times as much dilithium as the MACO et al sets if converting to Zen to buy keys etc.
The Mk XI set is a vastly inferior version that is obtained by running 3 easy story missions once and requires no dilithium to obtain.
Hence the Mk XII Jem Space set is more akin to the OMEGA/BORG/MACO seta and in fact requires more money or grinding than any other set in the game, it should be accordingly at least on a par with those sets, preferrably better imo.
The question is, what would make it comparable with a 2 piece borg set? Let alone elite fleet shields (practically a 1 piece set in it's own right)
The strange thing is the dev's never give specific numbers when they mention changes - subject to changes I guess, but it shows a general disdain towards the player base.
Yep, 1% increases to stats make it magically good enough to do high end content? What on earth are they smoking. Never mind that half of the set abilities only work on 3, exceptionally expensive ships, basic common sense seems to be thrown out of the window.
Notes:
2 Piece MK XII set gives roughly 4% increase to DPS, probably 6% after the patch - Compared to the BREEN set that gives something like 6 or 10% to transphasics. Or the borg set that gives you 2k hull regeneration per second 50% of the time you take damage.
3 piece set is vaguely approaching useful, specifically victory is life, but with no noticible difference in this proc strength/chance between MK XI vs MK XII, I'm not sure what the point is.
Maybe increase the proc chance to 2.5%
Change Polaron damage bonus to 10% OR change polaron proc chance to increase the duration of energy drain to something like 10 seconds with a stacking penalty.
Some sort of immunity to warp plasma would be nice instead too - for a set almost void of strong defensive bonuses, but all in all it seems like a throw away set in a game where developers value cookie cutter over the variety.
This is just my take on these XII sets being sold in the lobi store...
The way it is setup now being that either STF gear or Lobi gear is a vast amount of resources to get any of them which with the lobi store you can just buy it with real money if you want too if a player is going to use that for specific ships it has to justify the resources either it be marks like you cannot buy or lobi/dilithium that you can buy. I just can't justify spending so much lobi on something that won't be as good as things I can get in stfs. Its just like hey buy this its not as good as what you can with stfs but you have to pay dearly for it so... explain that Cryptic
My main point of contention is, why is cryptic insisting on a handful of sets being the best in the game? Is it healthy for 1 or 2 things to permanently be the best? Is cookie cutter really part of their game design?
I could almost forgive introducing a Lobi store upgrade that costs 5x as much dilithium as a borg set if the Borg set/MACO/OMEGA set weren't the only sets that where worth while.
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It is still a good resilient shield that has 10% all energy reduction.
Yes it is lower in capacity, but it is not meant to compete with Omega gear in the first place....
I have been using the MK XI set with a Tactical,Engineer,and Science character and with a escort,Breen ship, and science ship and have done well in it. Sure it may not be as good as some other sets but that does not make it inadequate. It also does well in Starbase 24,Klingon Scout force, and Gorn Minefield. Anyone who wants to do STF space mission even Elite missions for the first time should have it. The Mk XII version will be even better making a viable alternative to other sets.
Edit - I think it works but its really hard to tell, with the UI.
My only criticism- which applies to both Mk XI and XII-- is the very long recharge on the 3/3 bonus. Three minutes is to long for what's basically a rechargeable hypo. Should be about one minute.
I'd be ok if they split the difference and made it 90-second.
Why the uniform isn't editable is beyond me
Please continue to post your constructive feedback about these sets in this thread -- the team will continue to watch for and consider it.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
The ground set is/was suffering from the same anemic upgrades to mk xii. Will it get a once -over as well? will we be able to edit the costume at the tailor, or at least get a costume that is MORE Jem Hadar-ish?
So why none of this? Are these changes just taking longer or are they no longer planned?
Is there a screenshot anywhere?
I await the patch notes stating that Omega, Maco and the Honor Guard sets will be getting buffed as well.
Or, you might as well fully embrace p2w as a company, put those sets in the lobi store and just be done with it...... :rolleyes:
It looks like the Jem boff's outfit.
Here, I predictably made a Fem'Hadar.
Is that it?
No:
- Lobi Price on Space Set upgrade reduced from 200 to 150, to match with other Set Upgrade item prices.
- Dominion Synergy (2pc Bonus) has had its bonuses increased by 50%.
- Antiproton Sweep will now disable Cloaks for longer (12sec, vs 10sec), drain more Shields per use (approx 20% increase), and recharges faster (90sec vs 120sec).
Asking for parity with free sets is bad?
Exactly, yet it's clear they never intended for that to be the case:
This set was a pure moneygrabber from the outset, and still is.
The question is, what would make it comparable with a 2 piece borg set? Let alone elite fleet shields (practically a 1 piece set in it's own right)
The strange thing is the dev's never give specific numbers when they mention changes - subject to changes I guess, but it shows a general disdain towards the player base.
Yep, 1% increases to stats make it magically good enough to do high end content? What on earth are they smoking. Never mind that half of the set abilities only work on 3, exceptionally expensive ships, basic common sense seems to be thrown out of the window.
I believe they work on 4 ships:
Jem Bug, Jem HEC, Jem Dread and the Galor.
2 Piece MK XII set gives roughly 4% increase to DPS, probably 6% after the patch - Compared to the BREEN set that gives something like 6 or 10% to transphasics. Or the borg set that gives you 2k hull regeneration per second 50% of the time you take damage.
3 piece set is vaguely approaching useful, specifically victory is life, but with no noticible difference in this proc strength/chance between MK XI vs MK XII, I'm not sure what the point is.
Maybe increase the proc chance to 2.5%
Change Polaron damage bonus to 10% OR change polaron proc chance to increase the duration of energy drain to something like 10 seconds with a stacking penalty.
Some sort of immunity to warp plasma would be nice instead too - for a set almost void of strong defensive bonuses, but all in all it seems like a throw away set in a game where developers value cookie cutter over the variety.
I stand corrected.
*tips hat*
The way it is setup now being that either STF gear or Lobi gear is a vast amount of resources to get any of them which with the lobi store you can just buy it with real money if you want too if a player is going to use that for specific ships it has to justify the resources either it be marks like you cannot buy or lobi/dilithium that you can buy. I just can't justify spending so much lobi on something that won't be as good as things I can get in stfs. Its just like hey buy this its not as good as what you can with stfs but you have to pay dearly for it so... explain that Cryptic
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
I could almost forgive introducing a Lobi store upgrade that costs 5x as much dilithium as a borg set if the Borg set/MACO/OMEGA set weren't the only sets that where worth while.
Sure not in the lobi store after update :rolleyes: