born2bwild1, I can no longer tell if you are helping, hurting, or just being a broadcaster for the discussion.
I mean, what's the point for all this again? What's the end-game or possible results of the D-market "crashing"?
Just keeping the discussion going - mostly just posting my disbelief that there are people spending real cash on Zen to convert it to dilthium - wish I had so much money that I could just toss it into the fire like that:P
so if they weren't time limited people would not be PUSHED into donating 200k dilith in a fortnight
Also if Zen could not be stockpiled over the most expensive item in the z store then speculation would ~END
Can you please explain how you think people are speculating? People with lots of Zen drive the amount of dilithium you can get with zen down, such that their large stock piles of zen are worth much less....and then they somehow profit?
they made profit if they sell it before zen price goes lower than now.
So the speculation scheme is that you stockpile large amounts of zen, then drive the price of dilithium to artificially low levels, and then sell it, because you are making profit selling it before it goes even lower than the already low levels you manipulated it to?
I mean, what's the point for all this again? What's the end-game or possible results of the D-market "crashing"?
Buying Cstore item for few dil ? And guess what, I've no problem unlocking new outfits and stupid Zkey for few dil. I mean, they introduced gamblebox, now I have a way to play them without spending hundreds of dollars or millions of EC.
Once crashed, Cryptic will do something about it, probably increase Dil available, or decrease the need. In both case it's fine, if it can help reduce the grind S7 had become.
I can see plenty of good things. Well, if you are the ones buying zen with dil, not the one selling zen.
But that's the point: people selling Dilithium for Zen should be posting up that the market is not crashing - that it's actually AWESOME the exchange rate is lowering. For them, it's less work for more reward ... then again, maybe its best they don't post that :P
Yet, I read all over the board that there are not enough Dilithium to be had in the game.
So is it that the people complaining there's not enough Dilithium to acquire are those NOT selling it on the Exchange?
and fleets are actually DYING because of demands for the cursed stuff
How the speculation works??
I could get in a LOT of grief over this
ok simple speculation
person a needs dilith so spends zen at a stupid price
person B sells a tiny amount of dilith and gains zen
person B then Waits for the price of zen to rise EVER so slightly (say two points) and sells the zen again gaining back more dilith than he sold
repeating this (in both directions) for weeks or months at a time can lead to Enormous stockpiles (I know of a person with over 120,000 zen in hand )
More complex speculation involves rigging the prices
and is often involved with real world transactions (example selling fleet modules or starbase access for real cash)
it would MASSIVELY break rules to explain about this in detail so I won't
and fleets are actually DYING because of demands for the cursed stuff
Who are these 'many people' that don't have access to dilithium? As far as I know, there is no content that you need to pay for. Dilithium missions are open to ALL players. Your claim that many have no access to it are just plain false. Fleet actions, exploration dailies, Defera dailies, doff assignments, STFs, mirror event,... the list goes on. Oh, sorry, if you're talking about the 1-click foundry missions and that those are the only things you do in game, then ok, I guess you won't be able to get dilithium that way anymore.
And fleets are in MUCH better shape now since S7. The dilithium requirement on projects have been reduced. But more importantly, the doff requirement has been reduced. Prior to S7, fleets had a choice: either run projects that use dilithium, OR run projects that need an insane number of difficult to get doffs. Now, fleets can choose the doff projects that require little, if any, dilithium at all. Yes, some projects and upgrades still require it, but I'd say it's an IMPROVEMENT to where it was before.
How the speculation works??
I could get in a LOT of grief over this
ok simple speculation
person a needs dilith so spends zen at a stupid price
person B sells a tiny amount of dilith and gains zen
person B then Waits for the price of zen to rise EVER so slightly (say two points) and sells the zen again gaining back more dilith than he sold
repeating this (in both directions) for weeks or months at a time can lead to Enormous stockpiles (I know of a person with over 120,000 zen in hand )
More complex speculation involves rigging the prices
and is often involved with real world transactions (example selling fleet modules or starbase access for real cash)
it would MASSIVELY break rules to explain about this in detail so I won't
There is nothing wrong with this 'speculation'. In fact, this is something that keeps the exchange liquid, and the transactions moving. Pricing fixing never accomplishes anything except causing shortages of things, especially if you fix the price below its perceived value.
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I thought it would finally bottom out around 100 dilthium per zen. However I got on this morning and saw it around 93 per zen. I was like wow. But it took like several weeks to get there. So it looks like its slowing down maybe?
Granted it being lower some see it bad. Others see it a good thing. I'm taking on the buying chances. I already farmed enough for other purchases I been wanting. Now to save up for a new Fed ship to play with. I bought some zen from the store, so now to farm out the rest.
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much of the dilith gain missions are level gated or NEVER start for klingons
even more simply don't work (forget foundry missions )
LOL. Have you ever done marauding assignments on klink side? There's enough contraband coming in from those to get your dilithium. Ever PVP? Lots of dilithium on klink side for doing that. Heck, you get dilithium for dying in PVP as a klink. Ever do Pi Canis sorties?
If someone (or some small % of people) are doing enough transactions to actively manipulate the exchange? And it's costing PWE/Cryptic money? Then they'd stop it.
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Once again, it boils down to "I dont' like the price, therefore the system is broken and must be changed."
I guess I'll get flamed for this, but I'd like to ask anyway.
What if we made it so you can't get dilithium anywhere except by purchasing crates of it with Zen? Do you think anyone would profit from it besides Cryptic and PWE?
It's just a question, mind you. But after I ask this I bet everyone will have all their energy, torpedo and melee weapons pointed at me. O_O
i would get out my wallet and buy lots of those i i need around 680k dilth x 6 just to keep up with base
I'm not convinced speculating is what's happening anymore. People are straight up selling Dilithium for less than 100 per Zen ... and Zen sellers are buying the Dilithium at those prices.
I actually think the speculators are the only people keeping it at the price it is right now. I am selling dilithium to buy zen because I think it will get me more dilithium in the future when I sell my zen. I think a lot of other people are doing the same. I wonder if there is any real demand for zen at all, ie, people actually selling dilithium because they want to zen to buy stuff from the store. Maybe not -- see you at 25
Below 50 you won't see ANYONE selling zen who is sane
I would seriously doubt anyone would buy zen and sell it for dilithium at that price. At the same time, I would have doubted anyone would do it below 100, and here we are. One thing to keep in mind is that people with lifetime subscriptions and subscriptions will get 500 zen, and they may not have anything to do with it except to buy dilithium. Those people might drive the price lower, even though people buying zen to exchange for diltithium stop.
I think as the zen to dilithium exchange drops though, people will find things they want to buy with zen. For instance, people may decide to finally get the Odyssey ship they had put off buying because the ship they were using was good enough etc. etc.
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93 now and falling fast!!
I mean, what's the point for all this again? What's the end-game or possible results of the D-market "crashing"?
Just keeping the discussion going - mostly just posting my disbelief that there are people spending real cash on Zen to convert it to dilthium - wish I had so much money that I could just toss it into the fire like that:P
Can you please explain how you think people are speculating? People with lots of Zen drive the amount of dilithium you can get with zen down, such that their large stock piles of zen are worth much less....and then they somehow profit?
So the speculation scheme is that you stockpile large amounts of zen, then drive the price of dilithium to artificially low levels, and then sell it, because you are making profit selling it before it goes even lower than the already low levels you manipulated it to?
Once crashed, Cryptic will do something about it, probably increase Dil available, or decrease the need. In both case it's fine, if it can help reduce the grind S7 had become.
I can see plenty of good things. Well, if you are the ones buying zen with dil, not the one selling zen.
Yet, I read all over the board that there are not enough Dilithium to be had in the game.
So is it that the people complaining there's not enough Dilithium to acquire are those NOT selling it on the Exchange?
and fleets are actually DYING because of demands for the cursed stuff
How the speculation works??
I could get in a LOT of grief over this
ok simple speculation
person a needs dilith so spends zen at a stupid price
person B sells a tiny amount of dilith and gains zen
person B then Waits for the price of zen to rise EVER so slightly (say two points) and sells the zen again gaining back more dilith than he sold
repeating this (in both directions) for weeks or months at a time can lead to Enormous stockpiles (I know of a person with over 120,000 zen in hand )
More complex speculation involves rigging the prices
and is often involved with real world transactions (example selling fleet modules or starbase access for real cash)
it would MASSIVELY break rules to explain about this in detail so I won't
Who are these 'many people' that don't have access to dilithium? As far as I know, there is no content that you need to pay for. Dilithium missions are open to ALL players. Your claim that many have no access to it are just plain false. Fleet actions, exploration dailies, Defera dailies, doff assignments, STFs, mirror event,... the list goes on. Oh, sorry, if you're talking about the 1-click foundry missions and that those are the only things you do in game, then ok, I guess you won't be able to get dilithium that way anymore.
And fleets are in MUCH better shape now since S7. The dilithium requirement on projects have been reduced. But more importantly, the doff requirement has been reduced. Prior to S7, fleets had a choice: either run projects that use dilithium, OR run projects that need an insane number of difficult to get doffs. Now, fleets can choose the doff projects that require little, if any, dilithium at all. Yes, some projects and upgrades still require it, but I'd say it's an IMPROVEMENT to where it was before.
There is nothing wrong with this 'speculation'. In fact, this is something that keeps the exchange liquid, and the transactions moving. Pricing fixing never accomplishes anything except causing shortages of things, especially if you fix the price below its perceived value.
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Granted it being lower some see it bad. Others see it a good thing. I'm taking on the buying chances. I already farmed enough for other purchases I been wanting. Now to save up for a new Fed ship to play with. I bought some zen from the store, so now to farm out the rest.
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much of the dilith gain missions are level gated or NEVER start for klingons
even more simply don't work (forget foundry missions )
As to speculation all that EVER does is harm
a fixed exchange eliminates ANY shortages
and real world transactions for virtual items are of dubious legality
The end is nigh!!
LOL. Have you ever done marauding assignments on klink side? There's enough contraband coming in from those to get your dilithium. Ever PVP? Lots of dilithium on klink side for doing that. Heck, you get dilithium for dying in PVP as a klink. Ever do Pi Canis sorties?
Sorry, this statement is just not based in reality. Just wishful thinking.
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but many/most people never pvp at all
and a fixed exchange eliminates the player from the equation
i want dilith I buy it with zen DIRECTLY from pwe
I want Zen I buy it directly from PWE
everything is fixed and no speculator is profiting
Simple
If someone (or some small % of people) are doing enough transactions to actively manipulate the exchange? And it's costing PWE/Cryptic money? Then they'd stop it.
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Once again, it boils down to "I dont' like the price, therefore the system is broken and must be changed."
i would get out my wallet and buy lots of those i i need around 680k dilth x 6 just to keep up with base
Hopefully once it get's into the 80's those overpriced vanity projects they call starbases will come to a halt.
If you buy dil, not because you want dil, but because you think it will give you more zen in the future, you speculate.
Depending on whether you need dil or zen, the one speculators or the others either provide you with that dil/zen or take it away from you.
I would seriously doubt anyone would buy zen and sell it for dilithium at that price. At the same time, I would have doubted anyone would do it below 100, and here we are. One thing to keep in mind is that people with lifetime subscriptions and subscriptions will get 500 zen, and they may not have anything to do with it except to buy dilithium. Those people might drive the price lower, even though people buying zen to exchange for diltithium stop.
I think as the zen to dilithium exchange drops though, people will find things they want to buy with zen. For instance, people may decide to finally get the Odyssey ship they had put off buying because the ship they were using was good enough etc. etc.
Unfortuantely "sane" and "trekkie" are often not used in the same sentence:eek::P
Remember we have several communities here
Trekkies
MMOers
FPSers
Speculators
and others
The "others" ply their sick and twisted fantasies at Drozana station