Your point? What point is that? You make no sense and once again cannot get your 'point' across. Too bad...I feel sorry for you actually. Kinda sad.
It wouldn't matter because even if the point was spelled out to you letter for letter you would refuse to acknowledge it's existence. You can feel however you want, it doesn't change the facts that have been established. Enjoy the game.
It wouldn't matter because even if the point was spelled out to you letter for letter you would refuse to acknowledge it's existence. You can feel however you want, it doesn't change the facts that have been established. Enjoy the game.
lol. Great. You have established 'facts' about me. :rolleyes:
My hat's off to the community mods here though, you guys have certainly had your work cut out for you.
lol. Great. You have established 'facts' about me. :rolleyes:
My hat's off to the community mods here though, you guys have certainly had your work cut out for you.
I didn't establish the facts, you did. I am merely pointing them out. But that's okay, in your mind you have done no such thing. At the very least I had a decent discussion with someone other than you, so it was not a complete waste of time.
I am merely pointing them out. But that's okay, in your mind you have done no such thing. At the very least I had a decent discussion with someone other than you so it was not a complete waste of time.
Perhaps if you had not been so arrogant and self-centered in your argument as I had stated, a decent conversation could have been had. Too bad...
If you review your posts you used the term facts many times. I didn't once.
Perhaps if you had not been so arrogant and self-centered in your argument as I had stated, a decent conversation could have been had. Too bad...
Too bad you don't like being direct and only use an argument used by someone else to justify your own opinions. Maybe if you had actually posted a valid counterpoint to my actual opinion you would have had a discussion. Your lack of action displays a lack of confidence to handle a debate with me from your own personal counterpoints. Your desire to get the last word only shows an increasing lack of confidence on your part. Either make your case or stop posting in response to me. Two solutions, pick one.
This is such a good deal that i had to buy a 3rd LTS. It really is the best way i can think of to assuage any hard feelings about having had to wait for months and months for a prize just to see other folks tie or even beat you to it with a single swipe of their credit card.
Now really is a good time for people to get a second account. I have had two for all but about 2-3 weeks of my STO time. It is ever so convenient to trade with yourself especially with a freighter. It is also a breeze to do space missions. Ground is a bit hard but you get used to it. This could be a very nice treat for yourselves... Give it some thought friends.
Too bad you don't like being direct and only use an argument used by someone else to justify your own opinions. Maybe if you had actually posted a valid counterpoint to my actual opinion you would have had a discussion. Your lack of action displays a lack of confidence to handle a debate with me from your own personal counterpoints. Your desire to get the last word only shows an increasing lack of confidence on your part. Either make your case or stop posting in response to me. Two solutions, pick one.
Actually as you have stated, your opinions are 'facts'. You said 10 pages or so back that you were 'done with this thread' yet you feel the need to continue to post. I have stated my counterpoint you just failed to comprehend it and vigorously ignored what I had to say and at times replaced it with your own 'opinion'. As others have stated, your responses or 'opinions' are either logically at fault or pure speculation yet you continue to try to 'tell people how it is' and cram it down everyone's throat. Your inability to know when to stop posting is phenomenal and actually quite disturbing.
Actually as you have stated, your opinions are 'facts'. You said 10 pages or so back that you were 'done with this thread' yet you feel the need to continue to post. I have stated my counterpoint you just failed to comprehend it and vigorously ignored what I had to say and at times replaced it with your own 'opinion'. As others have stated, your responses or 'opinions' are either logically at fault or pure speculation yet you continue to try to 'tell people how it is' and cram it down everyone's throat. Your inability to know when to stop posting is phenomenal and actually quite disturbing.
Incorrect, I asked you to pose a valid counterpoint to MY opinion. Not the opinions of other people you agree with. You have not told me your perspective that you claim is right over my stated fact about the LTS and the fact that nobody has been shafted by it since those who were already subscribed have lost nothing and that it's a great way to add incentive for other people to buy one. That's what my original post was all about, and that I was tired of seeing the posts both in and out of this thread regarding that somehow people are being screwed over who spent 1000 days subscribed to this game. They have not lost anything because hey, up until recently there wasn't an established reward for 1000 days. My opinion is that considering how nightmarish it is, that all LTS should all get the same benefits regardless of time spent subscribed because a LTS shows a level of dedication that someone is willing to have by dropping a large sum of money all at once, Regardless if it was done on day one or just recently now that the game is F2P with no financial obligation attached to it anymore.
Now mister "I've already stated my counterpoint", what exactly is your counterargument to that established fact? Oh and don't use someone's argument I want to hear from you how you think that this statement is wrong when everything I have said just now is correct? Take your time, I look forward to seeing your logic behind how you think my opinion is wrong about the base facts concerning this deal.
Originally Posted by mijjestic: Ultimately, though, MMO players throwing stones at each other in this fashion is basically one nerd pointing and laughing at another nerd whose glasses are thicker.
Now I'm not going to continue to go 'round and 'round with you about this, but since you ask and couldn't read the thread for yourself, here you go...
And I discredited your direct response to me because you did not read what I had said. In fact you said and interpreted quite the opposite of what I said. so once gain, either post your valid counterargument to my opinion that this change is something that has not shafted anyone. You feel that 1000 days should reflect 1000 days, great, when the game wasn't F2P I would have agreed with you. It's not now, so once again how do you justify your argument with a no obligation F2P format? I am still waiting for you. Take your time here friend. I look forward to deconstructing your argument piece by piece. Or, you can admit that you misrepresented what I said from the first moment and engage in this discussion like you claim to want to.
And I discredited your direct response to me because you did not read what I had said. In fact you said and interpreted quite the opposite of what I said. so once gain, either post your valid counterargument to my opinion that this change is something that has not shafted anyone. You feel that 1000 days should reflect 1000 days, great, when the game wasn't F2P I would have agreed with you. It's not now, so once again how do you justify your argument with a no obligation F2P format? I am still waiting for you. Take your time here friend. I look forward to deconstructing your argument piece by piece. Or, you can admit that you misrepresented what I said from the first moment and engage in this discussion like you claim to want to.
What on earth are you talking about? Like I said I have zero intention of indulging you and your self-centered and self-serving view of yourself. You got your answer, whether you like it or not (it was even spoon-fed to you). I swear the people you meet on the internet. :eek:
What on earth are you talking about? Like I said I have zero intention of indulging you and your self-centered and self-serving view of yourself. You got your answer, whether you like it or not (it was even spoon-fed to you). I swear the people you meet on the internet. :eek:
So, your overall lack of ability to form a coherent and concise argument when I have more than given you the same original point more than once with the same supporting facts that are in regards to this particular incentive means that you are either unable to give a valid counterargument or you are simply intimidated by the fact that your "argument" could be proven wrong. Or perhaps there is a different underlying reason for why you won't legitimately post a valid counterpoint to my opinion based on the facts that surround this program surrounding the LTS. That's fine, it's okay to admit that you have nothing to go on to provide as an argument, I can appreciate that, in fact you're not alone many people have to endure that. Here's the cold hard facts Jack, This program offers a new incentive for LTS as I have now stated more times than I care to count. Also another fact about this, is that nobody has lost out on anything if they are a LTS. Now, frankly I would prefer to see this reward system gone along with the LTS considering that the game is wholly F2P which btw bud, I mentioned that to you in one of my direct responses to your statement which for whatever reason you have magically managed to overlook or disregard for whatever reasons because this system will create nothing but problems in the future since it is already a no obligation game. Making these "rewards" purchasable in game would be a far better solution as far as I am concerned.
However, this particular program while questionable for the longevity of this game does make sense from a business standpoint for hopes of generating more revenue. I have now stated this more than enough for you to get it. If you don't get this point, then the problem lies with you, not me. Nobody said you had to agree with it. All I said were the obvious facts surrounding the situation I made my opinion about in the first place. Which if you were going to engage in an actual discussion you would have acknowledged that.
So, your overall lack of ability to form a coherent and concise argument when I have more than given you the same original point more than once with the same supporting facts that are in regards to this particular incentive means that you are either unable to give a valid counterargument or you are simply intimidated by the fact that your "argument" could be proven wrong. Or perhaps there is a different underlying reason for why you won't legitimately post a valid counterpoint to my opinion based on the facts that surround this program surrounding the LTS. That's fine, it's okay to admit that you have nothing to go on to provide as an argument, I can appreciate that, in fact you're not alone many people have to endure that. Here's the cold hard facts Jack, This program offers a new incentive for LTS as I have now stated more times than I care to count. Also another fact about this, is that nobody has lost out on anything if they are a LTS. Now, frankly I would prefer to see this reward system gone along with the LTS considering that the game is wholly F2P which btw bud, I mentioned that to you in one of my direct responses to your statement which for whatever reason you have magically managed to overlook or disregard for whatever reasons because this system will create nothing but problems in the future since it is already a no obligation game. Making these "rewards" purchasable in game would be a far better solution as far as I am concerned.
However, this particular program while questionable for the longevity of this game does make sense from a business standpoint for hopes of generating more revenue. I have now stated this more than enough for you to get it. If you don't get this point, then the problem lies with you, not me. Nobody said you had to agree with it. All I said were the obvious facts surrounding the situation I made my opinion about in the first place. Which if you were going to engage in an actual discussion you would have acknowledged that.
It's okay, I understand your frustration. Enjoy your game.
I don't think you understand anything about me friend. What I don't understand however is your persistence in the matter. What are you trying to prove. I mean everything was spelled out for you. Sorry!
I don't think you understand anything about me friend. What I don't understand however is your persistence in the matter. I mean I spelled it out for you. Sorry.
And yet you disregarded the counter arguments without even giving a fact to base it off of, it must be nice to think whatever you want and have it actually be true for you. It's okay, I understand, enjoy your game.
And yet you disregarded the counter arguments without even giving a fact to base it off of, it must be nice to think whatever you want and have it actually be true for you. It's okay, I understand, enjoy your game.
You're a bot aren't you... I'm not here to state facts. I am here for 'forum' and to offer my opinion. You are the one who thinks their opinion is fact.
with all this talk about their actions being a good business decision, i feel that this statement could not be further from the truth. the only benefit that i can see from this is a quick infusion of capital from the lts subscription sales. what they choose to do with this increase, is a thread all of its own.
now as for why their actions are a bad business decision:
1. is an absolute and utter insult to all gold level subscribers. the people who pay per month, every 3 months or every 6 months are left in the cold by this decision. most of them are re-evaluating their decision to support this game per month and will ultimately result in them either going f2p or lifetime. either way, this detracts from income that could be earned by PWE over time.
2. their actions do nothing to increase loyal customers. loyal customers are those who support this game either through recurring subscriptions or micro-transactions. with all this money blown on the lifetime for some, it would be harder for them to justify spending more money in the immediate future for micro-transactions. these lifers also reap the benefits of never having to pay for character respecs, extra bridge officer slots, inventories and so on. it takes away from revenue that could have been earned from all these various micro transactions.
3. building customer relationships: in the current marketing environment, many successful companies rely on what is called relationship marketing. in a short sense, relationship marketing occurs when a company builds a positive relationship with their customers. this in turn creates customer loyalty and will increase the chances of the customer repeating their business with the company. the decision by PWE outraged many and thus soured the business relationship with those customers. for those who were not outraged, they did nothing to ensure that these customers would remain loyal to PWE after their large one-time transaction. sure, they may be locked in for "life" but it does not mean that they will continue to do business with this company.
Overall, in my opinion, I think PWE sacrificed long term security for a short term gain. I do not think that this was a great business decision. There was too much sacrificed and not enough gained.
PWE should focus on mending relationships with players to entice them to be and remain loyal customers. they need to do some serious advertising to bring in new players. they need to listen to all of their customers and make improvements across the board. invest some money into this game and actually build it out right. if things are actually done right, this game has the potential to be the star it deserves to be instead of the cash cow it is now waiting to be slaughtered.
You're a bot aren't you... I'm not here to state facts. I am here for 'forum' and to offer my opinion. You are the one who thinks their opinion is fact.
hee hee. when i read that my mind immediately went to this: link
not to say that the op referenced is doing that. he makes a valid assertion of his opinion. it's just with all the posts being thrown around, the point in his message becomes skewed.
not to say that the op referenced is doing that. he makes a valid assertion of his opinion. it's just with all the posts being thrown around, the point in his message becomes skewed.
It is still a much needed laugh after a very long evening.
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It wouldn't matter because even if the point was spelled out to you letter for letter you would refuse to acknowledge it's existence. You can feel however you want, it doesn't change the facts that have been established. Enjoy the game.
the vet rewards i mean
*Edit* Presumably the price is for a limited time only...
*Edit 2* Oh man, this ninja modding is really starting to become a PITA...
Ninja modding?
Multiple threads getting cut 'n pasted into one partway through a dialogue.
I appreciate the mods wanna keep it tidy (and non-controversial) around here but today's been non-stop hunt the thread you were posting to...
lol. Great. You have established 'facts' about me. :rolleyes:
My hat's off to the community mods here though, you guys have certainly had your work cut out for you.
I didn't establish the facts, you did. I am merely pointing them out. But that's okay, in your mind you have done no such thing. At the very least I had a decent discussion with someone other than you, so it was not a complete waste of time.
Perhaps if you had not been so arrogant and self-centered in your argument as I had stated, a decent conversation could have been had. Too bad...
Too bad you don't like being direct and only use an argument used by someone else to justify your own opinions. Maybe if you had actually posted a valid counterpoint to my actual opinion you would have had a discussion. Your lack of action displays a lack of confidence to handle a debate with me from your own personal counterpoints. Your desire to get the last word only shows an increasing lack of confidence on your part. Either make your case or stop posting in response to me. Two solutions, pick one.
Now really is a good time for people to get a second account. I have had two for all but about 2-3 weeks of my STO time. It is ever so convenient to trade with yourself especially with a freighter. It is also a breeze to do space missions. Ground is a bit hard but you get used to it. This could be a very nice treat for yourselves... Give it some thought friends.
Actually as you have stated, your opinions are 'facts'. You said 10 pages or so back that you were 'done with this thread' yet you feel the need to continue to post. I have stated my counterpoint you just failed to comprehend it and vigorously ignored what I had to say and at times replaced it with your own 'opinion'. As others have stated, your responses or 'opinions' are either logically at fault or pure speculation yet you continue to try to 'tell people how it is' and cram it down everyone's throat. Your inability to know when to stop posting is phenomenal and actually quite disturbing.
Incorrect, I asked you to pose a valid counterpoint to MY opinion. Not the opinions of other people you agree with. You have not told me your perspective that you claim is right over my stated fact about the LTS and the fact that nobody has been shafted by it since those who were already subscribed have lost nothing and that it's a great way to add incentive for other people to buy one. That's what my original post was all about, and that I was tired of seeing the posts both in and out of this thread regarding that somehow people are being screwed over who spent 1000 days subscribed to this game. They have not lost anything because hey, up until recently there wasn't an established reward for 1000 days. My opinion is that considering how nightmarish it is, that all LTS should all get the same benefits regardless of time spent subscribed because a LTS shows a level of dedication that someone is willing to have by dropping a large sum of money all at once, Regardless if it was done on day one or just recently now that the game is F2P with no financial obligation attached to it anymore.
Now mister "I've already stated my counterpoint", what exactly is your counterargument to that established fact? Oh and don't use someone's argument I want to hear from you how you think that this statement is wrong when everything I have said just now is correct? Take your time, I look forward to seeing your logic behind how you think my opinion is wrong about the base facts concerning this deal.
As I already stated, I have already offered my points. If you want to know them, click back a few pages. Or here, I will do the legwork for you:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=6027171&postcount=330
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=6027631&postcount=332
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=6027901&postcount=336
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=6050031&postcount=468
Now I'm not going to continue to go 'round and 'round with you about this, but since you ask and couldn't read the thread for yourself, here you go...
Dude or Dudette...
Just stop... please...
Special "I'm so important that you MUST hear what I have to say." font and coloring... Check...
Stating opinion as fact... repeatedly... Check...
Condescending phrasing... Check...
Hell, I AGREE with you and your posts STILL make me wanna argue with you...
It's like an election, and I've found one candidate that stands for what I believe in, but he's such a jerk I don't even wanna vote...
:rolleyes:
M-O-O-N, that spells @Rhyatt
Originally Posted by mijjestic: Ultimately, though, MMO players throwing stones at each other in this fashion is basically one nerd pointing and laughing at another nerd whose glasses are thicker.
Laws yes!
And I discredited your direct response to me because you did not read what I had said. In fact you said and interpreted quite the opposite of what I said. so once gain, either post your valid counterargument to my opinion that this change is something that has not shafted anyone. You feel that 1000 days should reflect 1000 days, great, when the game wasn't F2P I would have agreed with you. It's not now, so once again how do you justify your argument with a no obligation F2P format? I am still waiting for you. Take your time here friend. I look forward to deconstructing your argument piece by piece. Or, you can admit that you misrepresented what I said from the first moment and engage in this discussion like you claim to want to.
What on earth are you talking about? Like I said I have zero intention of indulging you and your self-centered and self-serving view of yourself. You got your answer, whether you like it or not (it was even spoon-fed to you). I swear the people you meet on the internet. :eek:
You have issues fella
So, your overall lack of ability to form a coherent and concise argument when I have more than given you the same original point more than once with the same supporting facts that are in regards to this particular incentive means that you are either unable to give a valid counterargument or you are simply intimidated by the fact that your "argument" could be proven wrong. Or perhaps there is a different underlying reason for why you won't legitimately post a valid counterpoint to my opinion based on the facts that surround this program surrounding the LTS. That's fine, it's okay to admit that you have nothing to go on to provide as an argument, I can appreciate that, in fact you're not alone many people have to endure that. Here's the cold hard facts Jack, This program offers a new incentive for LTS as I have now stated more times than I care to count. Also another fact about this, is that nobody has lost out on anything if they are a LTS. Now, frankly I would prefer to see this reward system gone along with the LTS considering that the game is wholly F2P which btw bud, I mentioned that to you in one of my direct responses to your statement which for whatever reason you have magically managed to overlook or disregard for whatever reasons because this system will create nothing but problems in the future since it is already a no obligation game. Making these "rewards" purchasable in game would be a far better solution as far as I am concerned.
However, this particular program while questionable for the longevity of this game does make sense from a business standpoint for hopes of generating more revenue. I have now stated this more than enough for you to get it. If you don't get this point, then the problem lies with you, not me. Nobody said you had to agree with it. All I said were the obvious facts surrounding the situation I made my opinion about in the first place. Which if you were going to engage in an actual discussion you would have acknowledged that.
Friend, it's over. Give it a rest already. OMW!
It's okay, I understand your frustration. Enjoy your game.
I don't think you understand anything about me friend. What I don't understand however is your persistence in the matter. What are you trying to prove. I mean everything was spelled out for you. Sorry!
And yet you disregarded the counter arguments without even giving a fact to base it off of, it must be nice to think whatever you want and have it actually be true for you. It's okay, I understand, enjoy your game.
You're a bot aren't you... I'm not here to state facts. I am here for 'forum' and to offer my opinion. You are the one who thinks their opinion is fact.
now as for why their actions are a bad business decision:
1. is an absolute and utter insult to all gold level subscribers. the people who pay per month, every 3 months or every 6 months are left in the cold by this decision. most of them are re-evaluating their decision to support this game per month and will ultimately result in them either going f2p or lifetime. either way, this detracts from income that could be earned by PWE over time.
2. their actions do nothing to increase loyal customers. loyal customers are those who support this game either through recurring subscriptions or micro-transactions. with all this money blown on the lifetime for some, it would be harder for them to justify spending more money in the immediate future for micro-transactions. these lifers also reap the benefits of never having to pay for character respecs, extra bridge officer slots, inventories and so on. it takes away from revenue that could have been earned from all these various micro transactions.
3. building customer relationships: in the current marketing environment, many successful companies rely on what is called relationship marketing. in a short sense, relationship marketing occurs when a company builds a positive relationship with their customers. this in turn creates customer loyalty and will increase the chances of the customer repeating their business with the company. the decision by PWE outraged many and thus soured the business relationship with those customers. for those who were not outraged, they did nothing to ensure that these customers would remain loyal to PWE after their large one-time transaction. sure, they may be locked in for "life" but it does not mean that they will continue to do business with this company.
Overall, in my opinion, I think PWE sacrificed long term security for a short term gain. I do not think that this was a great business decision. There was too much sacrificed and not enough gained.
PWE should focus on mending relationships with players to entice them to be and remain loyal customers. they need to do some serious advertising to bring in new players. they need to listen to all of their customers and make improvements across the board. invest some money into this game and actually build it out right. if things are actually done right, this game has the potential to be the star it deserves to be instead of the cash cow it is now waiting to be slaughtered.
- my 2 slits of GPL
@sharpe-
hee hee. when i read that my mind immediately went to this: link
LMAO! Too funny...thank you.
It is still a much needed laugh after a very long evening.