again as with previous lockboxes DONT GET ME FREAKING STARTED, 30 temp lockboxes and nowt but junk, nice way to scam ppl out of cash cryptic, ok yes part of it was my fault, i didnt have to buy the master keys but come on, atleast give us better odds, or maybe more lobi crystals per box. i vowed never to open another box again after back in the day getting a GOLD cardassian box, when upon opening it got nothing but items that were in a common box, that to me was the biggest rip off of all time, and untill the temp boxes i never opend another box, i couldnt resist the temp ones as i have always liked the wells class after seeing it in voyager, but after 30 boxes and all junk, sorry, but never again, i know people that have opend close to 200 and got all junk, hmmmmmm the odds in the locbox seem pretty TRIBBLE to me just to make cryptic some cash, INCREASE THE ODD'S GUYS you will find more people willing to part with real cash to get to the boxes (more than what they are now) XD
I bet my life, that the real percentage whatever it is is not even close to what is being put in the wiki. and being as Cryptic won't release those numbers we will never know.
Cryptic doesnt have to release the actual numbers to deny the ones on the wiki as being accurate. However, the way the word that denial would be telling. If they simply say they arent accurate, they could mean by a microscopic fraction and still be "honest". However if they said the numbers on the wiki were way off, that would be completely different.
I bet my life, that the real percentage whatever it is is not even close to what is being put in the wiki. and being as Cryptic won't release those numbers we will never know.
Oh-oh, don't be so quick to throw your life away . We are getting close to 1000 lock boxes as the sample size here, which is quite representative. So for all items at 5% and higher chances the numbers are pretty accurate with a high certainty. With the < 5% values, they could change more, relatively speaking.
To make myself clear on the second point: It's a big difference if the temp timeship is 0.3% or 0.5%, because that makes a difference of more than 100 lock boxes you are expected to open before you find one. However, it is statistically close to impossible, that with a sample size of 2000 or 3000 you would find the chance of a timeship climbing to 1% or more.
I just bought 100 Keys for 9,560 Zen, while the Keys are on sale. I still have 9,000 Zen on my Account and will have earned 1,500 Zen more by the end of the month via playing and my Stipend. I did not buy any of the Zen from Cryptic. Every penny of it has been earned simply by playing.
I can't speak for the person you're asking, but for myself the dollar amount is zero: whatever I win cost me nothing. It was all earned simply by playing a couple of hours a day.
100 keys from just playing? No disrespect but what's your secret? do you play 24/7 and how do you make a living?...curious to know.....
Opened about 8, so far I have 30-odd lobi, 2 gamma packs, 1 normal pack, some sort of duel beam thing, 5000 fleet pool, 100 fleet mark pool.
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Dec '07 Account I EARNED 1000 days...I didn't BUY it! New LTS=Death to Vet.System: 10/10/12 Never Forget Something should be done for those who cared enough to have a 1000+ day sub.
I received the Time Ship after my 18th key and gave the ship to my Gorn KDF Science officer. She really fits a gap in their shipyard, and I frankly don't like the aesthetics on the Wells class very much. I especially like the appearance of the KDF version of this ship.
Now to start saving up for the Mobius...
Thanks for the Advanced Light Cruiser, Allied Escort Bundles, Jem-Hadar Light Battlecruiser, and Mek'leth
New Content Wishlist
T6 updates for the Kamarag & Vor'Cha
Heavy Cruiser & a Movie Era Style AoY Utility Cruiser
Based on observations by other users in the same thread for a total of 4 Time ships in 1102 Boxes
That's basically about .3% chance to get a timeship.....hideous!
This is also equivalent 137,750 ZEN (at 125 Zen per key which doesn't include sale numbers but normal price)
Considering that 10,000 ZEN is $100.00, lets break this down even further and say that for the total of 4 timeships, it would cost $1377.50 to buy the keys.
Now let's divide that by 4 (total timeships) and that is approximately $344.38 per person at the given statistics...
All I can say is wow... white collar crime!
I AM NOT A FAN OF PWE!!!!
MEMBER SINCE JANUARY 2010
I kept a bit of statistics as well on my lockboxes. Haven't opened too many of them yet ( working on my Ferengi lockboxes again after receiving the Wells) but I've also recorded average Lobi distribution.
= 324 Lobi in total at an average of ~4.8 per box. That number has been consistent with those recieved from Tholian as well as post-patch Ferengi and Cardassian boxes.
First of all, this is STO Wiki's unofficial analysis of the current lockbox odds (your odds may vary).
It is intresting to see how much Cryptic/PWE is relying on the profit margin for the lockbox. This probably shows why it will pay off on getting a small number of players to fork over a large amount of cash over time than making the ships more accessible via the Z-store. Of course, there is also the need to make them rare among the population.
My major issue is the Lobi Store- Good idea but horrible.
Anything in the Lobi Store should also be in a lock box, if you fork out $150 and had no luck at all you have a plan B. Also with the last set with the Temporal...Mobius and the set's..it was a bit of a slap in the face the amount of Lobi required to buy all of them, when adding them in the lockboxes would have offered a great more deal of variety and honestly incentive to open them. Instead of looking for ONE thing I would have been compelled to open more in hopes of getting the other items.
Sorry for asking this, but what's the point of this thread?
Boxes rant? That's not needed as it's be yet another such thread.
Name me one player who is regged here on the forum and who thinks that the whole lockbox thing is not scandalous. In some cases it feels like a common con job. A fraud. You pay the money, open the box and receive an utter TRIBBLE. And if unlucky it happens also with 100th box you open.
The whole problem is that if this is Star Trek game, what are those boxes doing in it? Shouldn't the whole thing go to court as there are no such boxes in Star Trek?
Sorry for asking this, but what's the point of this thread?
Boxes rant? That's not needed as it's be yet another such thread.
Name me one player who is regged here on the forum and who thinks that the whole lockbox thing is not scandalous. In some cases it feels like a common con job. A fraud. You pay the money, open the box and receive an utter TRIBBLE. And if unlucky it happens also with 100th box you open.
The whole problem is that if this is Star Trek game, what are those boxes doing in it? Shouldn't the whole thing go to court as there are no such boxes in Star Trek?
No one is making anyone buy keys and open the lockboxes.
Only the little goblin in the head that's going 'I want that I want that I want that' over and over.
Right-click. Discard (all). Play Star Trek content. The lockboxes are far less invasive now than they used to be and can be pretty much ignored. And if the probability of winning bothers you, just don't bother, savvy?
When Elite STFs were revamped, the complained about the random tech drop lottery came hard and fast. I should know, I was one of them complaining to my WoW friends about it and asking if WoW had any conventions that were the same. They still come to this day, but they're far fewer and mostly from either newbies to Elites or cynical diehards too inured to biting the hand that feeds them.
Lockboxes are similar: an optional game system with nonessential items artificially inflated in importance by marketing, and the little goblin in the head reacts. I find it insanely appropriate that the harbingers of the Lobi store are Ferengi, practitioners of selling up nonessential merchandise for centuries. At least the lockbox system has the benefit of actually providing some revenue for a game that offers itself for free but is not sustained for free.
All this to say..I'm regged. I don't think it's scandalous. I think it's a lottery like any other scratch-ticket lotto sold in convenience stores for the past few decades. My friend, a fraud would be if the rewards advertized were not in the loot table to begin with. You involve yourself if you wish and take your chances. And if you just want a specific box drop but don't want to fight the odds, earn the funds to buy them off the Exchange. Or open the boxes for the lobi for that "must have".
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Thanks! I find this sort of thing to be pretty interesting, even if I stink with probabilities, statistics, etc. Granted, I'm a fan of the "sausage factory" (ie, the business side), so this is very cool.
The lockboxes seem to be one of STO's definite "whale" items. I am glad they've got the Lobi Store, definitely, since I can use my stipend and Dilithium earnings to work towards gear, which I find to be a far, far more reasonable goal than shooting for the current top ship.
My blog! Zen|Dilithium tracking on Thursdays http://samonmaui.blogspot.com As a lifetime member of STO, I officially became a financial liability as of April 2012 when compared to a subscriber.
I'm willing to wager the ship is 0.5% like the other ships.
It's a standard in PWE games. It's likely just that you need a bigger sample size to see it. But the numbers look roughly right. I don't know what there is to out although having it on one table is handy.
A running tally of my opened lock boxes, Updated upon opening so far only opened 116 but I've still got another 303 boxes in my Account Bank, this should be fun. Honestly the only thing I really want is the 29th Century Uniform pack, which is yet to be released with not solid ETA.
A running tally of my opened lock boxes, Updated upon opening so far only opened 116 but I've still got another 303 boxes in my Account Bank, this should be fun. Honestly the only thing I really want is the 29th Century Uniform pack, which is yet to be released with not solid ETA.
I'm wondering where that got to also. I am still hoping they change their mind and make it a C-Store purchase that is an account-wide unlock.
I'm wondering where that got to also. I am still hoping they change their mind and make it a C-Store purchase that is an account-wide unlock.
My thread has become the de facto thread for updates on the 29th century uniforms, by the looks of it. it can be found HERE and yes, even know I've spent nearly $100 on keys so far, ( and might just spend another $75 ) to get lobi to get the uniform packs, if they put it in the C-Store I'd be willing to throw even more money at them. Note my sig, think I've been waiting for this pack much?
[Rolls into the thread while activating Target Optics and unholstering the [Zombie Control Compression Pistol of Epicosity Mk XIV], shoots and vaporizes this exposed Zombie thread!] :cool:
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0 Fleet Credit boosts
0 Standard Duty Officer packs
0 Temporal Duty Officers
0 Temporal beacons
0 Polarized Disruptor boxes
0 Gamma Duty Officer boxes
0 100 Fleet Mark boosts
2 Mobius
2 Wells
0 Isometric/Antimatter consoles
0 Lobi
0 Lockbox opend
380,000,000 EC spent
sell the keys XD
Cryptic doesnt have to release the actual numbers to deny the ones on the wiki as being accurate. However, the way the word that denial would be telling. If they simply say they arent accurate, they could mean by a microscopic fraction and still be "honest". However if they said the numbers on the wiki were way off, that would be completely different.
Oh-oh, don't be so quick to throw your life away
To make myself clear on the second point: It's a big difference if the temp timeship is 0.3% or 0.5%, because that makes a difference of more than 100 lock boxes you are expected to open before you find one. However, it is statistically close to impossible, that with a sample size of 2000 or 3000 you would find the chance of a timeship climbing to 1% or more.
Regards,
Rachel
100 keys from just playing? No disrespect but what's your secret? do you play 24/7 and how do you make a living?...curious to know.....
4 lobi, Standard Duty Officer Mini-Pack X 18
4 lobi, Special Equipment Pack - Polarized Disruptor Weapons X 17
5 lobi, Gamma Quadrant Duty Officer Mini-Pack X 13
5 lobi, Standard Duty Officer Mini-Pack X 13
4 lobi, Gamma Quadrant Duty Officer Mini-Pack X 10
4 lobi, Temporal Beacon Storage Device X 9
5 lobi, Special Equipment Pack - Polarized Disruptor Weapons X 7
4 lobi, 5000 Fleet credit Bonus Pool X 6
4 lobi, Temporal Duty Officer X 5
4 lobi, 100 Fleet Mark Bonus Pool X 4
4 lobi, Console Pack - Isometric Charge / Antimatter Spread X 4
4 lobi, Special Requisition Pack - Mirror Universe Deep Space Science Vessel X 4
5 lobi, Temporal Beacon Storage Device X 3
5 lobi, Console Pack - Isometric Charge / Antimatter Spread X 3
7 lobi, Standard Duty Officer Mini-Pack X 3
4 lobi, Console Pack - Isometric Charge / Antimatter Spread X 2
7 lobi, Temporal Beacon Storage Device X 2
10 lobi, Standard Duty Officer Mini-Pack X 2
10 lobi, 5000 Fleet credit Bonus Pool X 2
4 lobi, Temporal Science Vessel (OH MY!)
4 lobi, Special Requisition Pack - Mirror Universe Reconnaissance Science Vessel
5 lobi, 5000 Fleet credit Bonus Pool
5 lobi, Temporal Duty Officer
5 lobi, Special Requisition Pack - Mirror Universe Reconnaissance Science Vessel
7 lobi, Special Equipment Pack - Polarized Disruptor Weapons
10 lobi, Gamma Quadrant Duty Officer Mini-Pack
20 lobi, Gamma Quadrant Duty Officer Mini-Pack
20 lobi, Special Equipment Pack - Polarized Disruptor Weapons
25 lobi, Gamma Quadrant Duty Officer Mini-Pack
25 lobi, Standard Duty Officer Mini-Pack
When they say, "at least 4 Lobi" they mean "mostly 4 Lobi."
Not sure if I want to do another 50 for the Lobi or just sell the keys and buy it off the market.
Dec '07 Account
I EARNED 1000 days...I didn't BUY it! New LTS=Death to Vet.System: 10/10/12 Never Forget
Something should be done for those who cared enough to have a 1000+ day sub.
I was very surprised.
Now to start saving up for the Mobius...
http://www.stowiki.org/Temporal_Lock_Box#Odds
Based on observations by other users in the same thread for a total of 4 Time ships in 1102 Boxes
That's basically about .3% chance to get a timeship.....hideous!
This is also equivalent 137,750 ZEN (at 125 Zen per key which doesn't include sale numbers but normal price)
Considering that 10,000 ZEN is $100.00, lets break this down even further and say that for the total of 4 timeships, it would cost $1377.50 to buy the keys.
Now let's divide that by 4 (total timeships) and that is approximately $344.38 per person at the given statistics...
All I can say is wow... white collar crime!
I AM NOT A FAN OF PWE!!!!
MEMBER SINCE JANUARY 2010
Total Temporal Lockboxes: 67
Doff Mini-Pack: 14
Gamma Doffs: 13
Temporal Beacon: 9
100 Fleet Mark: 8
5.000 Fleet Credit: 8
Polarized Disruptor: 7
Temporal Duty Officer (Fed): 4
Mirror Recon Science Vessel: 3
Temporal Science Vessel: 1
4 Lobi: 41
5 Lobi: 19
7 Lobi: 05
15 Lobi: 02
= 324 Lobi in total at an average of ~4.8 per box. That number has been consistent with those recieved from Tholian as well as post-patch Ferengi and Cardassian boxes.
It is intresting to see how much Cryptic/PWE is relying on the profit margin for the lockbox. This probably shows why it will pay off on getting a small number of players to fork over a large amount of cash over time than making the ships more accessible via the Z-store. Of course, there is also the need to make them rare among the population.
http://www.stowiki.org/Temporal_Lock_Box
Anything in the Lobi Store should also be in a lock box, if you fork out $150 and had no luck at all you have a plan B. Also with the last set with the Temporal...Mobius and the set's..it was a bit of a slap in the face the amount of Lobi required to buy all of them, when adding them in the lockboxes would have offered a great more deal of variety and honestly incentive to open them. Instead of looking for ONE thing I would have been compelled to open more in hopes of getting the other items.
Boxes rant? That's not needed as it's be yet another such thread.
Name me one player who is regged here on the forum and who thinks that the whole lockbox thing is not scandalous. In some cases it feels like a common con job. A fraud. You pay the money, open the box and receive an utter TRIBBLE. And if unlucky it happens also with 100th box you open.
The whole problem is that if this is Star Trek game, what are those boxes doing in it? Shouldn't the whole thing go to court as there are no such boxes in Star Trek?
No one is making anyone buy keys and open the lockboxes.
Only the little goblin in the head that's going 'I want that I want that I want that' over and over.
Right-click. Discard (all). Play Star Trek content. The lockboxes are far less invasive now than they used to be and can be pretty much ignored. And if the probability of winning bothers you, just don't bother, savvy?
When Elite STFs were revamped, the complained about the random tech drop lottery came hard and fast. I should know, I was one of them complaining to my WoW friends about it and asking if WoW had any conventions that were the same. They still come to this day, but they're far fewer and mostly from either newbies to Elites or cynical diehards too inured to biting the hand that feeds them.
Lockboxes are similar: an optional game system with nonessential items artificially inflated in importance by marketing, and the little goblin in the head reacts. I find it insanely appropriate that the harbingers of the Lobi store are Ferengi, practitioners of selling up nonessential merchandise for centuries. At least the lockbox system has the benefit of actually providing some revenue for a game that offers itself for free but is not sustained for free.
All this to say..I'm regged. I don't think it's scandalous. I think it's a lottery like any other scratch-ticket lotto sold in convenience stores for the past few decades. My friend, a fraud would be if the rewards advertized were not in the loot table to begin with. You involve yourself if you wish and take your chances. And if you just want a specific box drop but don't want to fight the odds, earn the funds to buy them off the Exchange. Or open the boxes for the lobi for that "must have".
The Artist Formerly Known As Nikotaka ][ Join Date: Jan 2010
"Can anyone remember when we used to be explorers...?"
The lockboxes seem to be one of STO's definite "whale" items. I am glad they've got the Lobi Store, definitely, since I can use my stipend and Dilithium earnings to work towards gear, which I find to be a far, far more reasonable goal than shooting for the current top ship.
My blog! Zen|Dilithium tracking on Thursdays
http://samonmaui.blogspot.com
As a lifetime member of STO, I officially became a financial liability as of April 2012 when compared to a subscriber.
I'm willing to wager the ship is 0.5% like the other ships.
It's a standard in PWE games. It's likely just that you need a bigger sample size to see it. But the numbers look roughly right. I don't know what there is to out although having it on one table is handy.
Come join the 44th Fleet.
https://startrek.44thfleet.com/
I'm wondering where that got to also. I am still hoping they change their mind and make it a C-Store purchase that is an account-wide unlock.
My thread has become the de facto thread for updates on the 29th century uniforms, by the looks of it. it can be found HERE and yes, even know I've spent nearly $100 on keys so far, ( and might just spend another $75 ) to get lobi to get the uniform packs, if they put it in the C-Store I'd be willing to throw even more money at them. Note my sig, think I've been waiting for this pack much?
Come join the 44th Fleet.
https://startrek.44thfleet.com/
1) 100 Fleet Mark Bonus Pool + 5 Lobi
2) Temporal Beacon + 10 Lobi
3) Gamma Officer mini pack + 4 Lobi
4) Temporal Beacon + 4 Lobi
5) 5000 Fleet Credits + 50 Lobi (this is not a typo! i got fifty lobi!! ^_^)
6) Gamma Officer Mini Pack + 4 Lobi
7) Standard Officer mini Pack + 5 Lobi
8) Gamma Officer Mini Pack + 4 Lobi
9) Gamma Officer Mini Pack + 5 Lobi
10) Gamma Officer Mini Pack + 4 Lobi
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