True, but then again you could have just bought 50 keys, sold them on the exchange and gotten 75 mil, waited a bit for the prices to drop and bought the ship.
But you did get lobi crystals which are pretty useful now.
On top of my monthly stipend of 500 zen which is not a lot, everything I earn in game either will disappear when a) I finish playing for personal reasons that I connot forsee at this time, or the game is closed down
So really everything just goes back to Cryptic. If I was a player who had very limited EC and a hard time making dilth and EC then yes I would be much more careful how it is spent.
Also one point of the thread was to show others, who perhaps are in a different situation, just what they would be getting into with this lock-box.
I actually want to support Cryptic to keep the game going, but at the same time make sure players get good value. Unfortunatly Cryptic does not post the odds of the prizes in these boxes and that is a policy of theirs that I don't agree with.
This seems like a nice little thread, so I will add my results here for all those to benefit. I had opened 50 boxes, and the break-down was as follows:
Wells ............................ 0
Mirror RSV ..................... 0
Mirror DSSV ................... 0
Starship Console ............. 3
Temporal Duty Officer ...... 6
100 Fleet Marks .............. 3
5000 Fleet Credits ........... 6
Temporal Beacon ............ 3
Polarized Disruptor .......... 6
GQ DO Pack ................... 16
Standard DO Pack ........... 7
Lobi .............................. 326 (this includes one drop of 25 and another with 50)
This seems like a nice little thread, so I will add my results here for all those to benefit. I had opened 50 boxes, and the break-down was as follows:
Wells ............................ 0
Mirror RSV ..................... 0
Mirror DSSV ................... 0
Starship Console ............. 3
Temporal Duty Officer ...... 6
100 Fleet Marks .............. 3
5000 Fleet Credits ........... 6
Temporal Beacon ............ 3
Polarized Disruptor .......... 6
GQ DO Pack ................... 16
Standard DO Pack ........... 7
Lobi .............................. 326 (this includes one drop of 25 and another with 50)
Kept up the posts people if you have info to share.
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Numbers added from hyrulian, syberghost and darkstarkirian:
The following table of costs takes into consideration that you would actually want and need everything that you get from opening the boxes (including each and every common DOff or single Loby Crystal). The prices are normalized, so that adding them up weighted by chance, would yield 112,5 Zen:
Analysis based on 365 Boxes
Temporal Science Vessel Starship*: ~2085 Zen
Cross-Faction Starship Console: ~311 Zen
Mirror Universe Ship Pack Recon: ~570 Zen
Mirror Universe Ship Pack Deep Space: ~311 Zen
Temporal Duty Officers: ~171 Zen
Fleet Mark Bonus Pool: ~163 Zen
Fleet Credit Bonus Pool: ~122 Zen
Temporal Beacon Storage Device: ~80 Zen
Polarized Disruptor Weapon Pack: ~60 Zen
Gamma Quadrant Duty Officer Mini-Pack: ~43 Zen
Standard Duty Officer Mini-Pack: ~39 Zen
1 Loby Crystal: ~1.7 Zen
Again, this table only reflects the individual value of each item, if you actually want and use EVERYTHING the box gives you and don't throw items away in search for something better.
However, if you are after one specific item and don't care about the rest, the following table is for you: Analysis based on 365 Boxes
Temporal Science Vessel Starship*: 0.4%, ~25031 Zen
Cross-Faction Starship Console: 3.0%, ~3733Zen
Mirror Universe Ship Pack Recon: 1.6%, ~6844 Zen
Mirror Universe Ship Pack Deep Space: 3.0%, ~3733 Zen
Temporal Duty Officers: 5.5%, ~2053 Zen
Fleet Mark Bonus Pool: 5.8%, ~1955 Zen
Fleet Credit Bonus Pool: 7.7%, ~1467 Zen
Temporal Beacon Storage Device: 11.8%, ~955 Zen
Polarized Disruptor Weapon Pack: 15.6%, ~720 Zen
Gamma Quadrant Duty Officer Mini-Pack: 21.6%, ~520 Zen
Standard Duty Officer Mini-Pack: 23.8%, ~472 Zen
Average Lobi (5.6) per Box: ~20 Zen
As you can see from my previous evaluation, the numbers are very much in flux for the rare items. It makes a tremendous difference for the expected number of boxes you need to open, if the Timeship has a chance of 0.4 or 0.6 percent.
Regards,
Rachel
*Values for time ship based on the report of two other users claiming they found 1 in 10 boxes and 1 in 70 Boxes for a total of 2 in 445 boxes.
So far all i've managed to get were doff packs, one doff mission (which failed), and a temporal doff who was a bartender that had no benefits to being a temporal doff. I'm going to try again tonight, but if i get nothing but Doffs again i'm going to bug it.
Thanks so much for posting this great info. Still showing mid 5 range of Lobi per box. I was so happy to be on DS9 a few minutes ago and they were discussing this thread.
Yeah, that shook up the table quite a bit. Now, the MUDS Vessel is rarer than MU Recon Vessel (when it stands to reason that they both should be equally rare).
Demonstrates that we need a lot more data until we can give any definitive figures for the high-end gear.
I'm honestly sorry, you got no timeship. When you invest that kind of money you would expect it to turn up.
Yeah, that shook up the table quite a bit. Now, the MUDS Vessel is rarer than MU Recon Vessel (when it stands to reason that they both should be equally rare).
Demonstrates that we need a lot more data until we can give any definitive figures for the high-end gear.
I'm honestly sorry, you got no timeship. When you invest that kind of money you would expect it to turn up.
Regards,
Rachel
For the bulk of stuff 90%+ things have remained pretty much the same within a percent or 2
Ouch bro sorry that sucks, i was kind of lucky, bought 10 keys and opened 5 box's before i got the Temporal Science vessel. got lucky i guess
you got extremely lucky - for every person like you there are 100 others that will open more that 200 boxes and get no ship!!!
You are in the extreme minority and no-one should even think that they could ever get a ship in the first 10 boxes because it only happens very very very rarely.
I opened 40 boxes with some keys I had, no ship. I didn't think to take down all the specifics, but I'll post what I remember:
~220 lobi
3 MU DSSV's
1 console
5 Polarized disruptor weapons
2 Temporal doffs
3 Temporal beacons
~20 DOFF mini-packs
I belive the rest were Fleet credit and mark boosts.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
I opened 40 boxes with some keys I had, no ship. I didn't think to take down all the specifics, but I'll post what I remember:
~220 lobi
3 MU DSSV's
1 console
5 Polarized disruptor weapons
2 Temporal doffs
3 Temporal beacons
~20 DOFF mini-packs
I belive the rest were Fleet credit and mark boosts.
Really have to say that the avg of 5.4 lobi per box is horrible given the prices in the lobi store
Are boxes that drop ships still Gold or is everything just a simple box now?
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Ah ok, been gone for some time so I didn't know if they changed.
Hmm so any box has the same (horrid) odds now? Lol maybe I'll try the few Temporal boxes I have or maybe just sell keys for energy creds...
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I lucked out, I think, it took me over 400 boxes to get a D'kora and 300 to get a Orb Weaver.
You must have been EXTREMELY LUCKY - to get a Wells in 98 boxes but more than that 800 Lobi? That is WAY out of the normal range of 5.5 per box - that's like you getting 8 per box - you must have a major sized horse shoe you you back side!!
Yay another lets analyse hte lock box threads. Weren't these done to death with the last 3??? We all know it's a brazen rip off in order to get a ship.
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I bet my life, that the real percentage whatever it is is not even close to what is being put in the wiki. and being as Cryptic won't release those numbers we will never know.
I hope that when this is done that a BIG warning on the wiki will be put in the notes section saying that this is not going to be accurate at all or even close to what you guys think the real number is, and is pretty much a really big guess.
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On top of my monthly stipend of 500 zen which is not a lot, everything I earn in game either will disappear when a) I finish playing for personal reasons that I connot forsee at this time, or the game is closed down
So really everything just goes back to Cryptic. If I was a player who had very limited EC and a hard time making dilth and EC then yes I would be much more careful how it is spent.
Also one point of the thread was to show others, who perhaps are in a different situation, just what they would be getting into with this lock-box.
I actually want to support Cryptic to keep the game going, but at the same time make sure players get good value. Unfortunatly Cryptic does not post the odds of the prizes in these boxes and that is a policy of theirs that I don't agree with.
Wells ............................ 0
Mirror RSV ..................... 0
Mirror DSSV ................... 0
Starship Console ............. 3
Temporal Duty Officer ...... 6
100 Fleet Marks .............. 3
5000 Fleet Credits ........... 6
Temporal Beacon ............ 3
Polarized Disruptor .......... 6
GQ DO Pack ................... 16
Standard DO Pack ........... 7
Lobi .............................. 326 (this includes one drop of 25 and another with 50)
Kept up the posts people if you have info to share.
thanks
5k Fleet Credit - 2
Standard Doff Minipack - 3
Gamma Quadrant Doff Minipack - 3
Temporal Beacon - 1
Polarized Disruptor - 1
Lobi - 52
Still keeping the trend of 5ish lobi per box
Wells ............................ 0
Mirror RSV ..................... 0
Mirror DSSV ................... 0
Starship Console ............. 0
Temporal Duty Officer ...... 1
100 Fleet Marks .............. 1
5000 Fleet Credits ........... 0
Temporal Beacon ............ 1
Polarized Disruptor .......... 1
GQ DO Pack ................... 2
Standard DO Pack ........... 4
Lobi .............................. 42 (average)
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Three years and still no Captain Klaa hair...
Nice 4.2 lobi per box
The following table of costs takes into consideration that you would actually want and need everything that you get from opening the boxes (including each and every common DOff or single Loby Crystal). The prices are normalized, so that adding them up weighted by chance, would yield 112,5 Zen:
Analysis based on 365 Boxes
- Temporal Science Vessel Starship*: ~2085 Zen
- Cross-Faction Starship Console: ~311 Zen
- Mirror Universe Ship Pack Recon: ~570 Zen
- Mirror Universe Ship Pack Deep Space: ~311 Zen
- Temporal Duty Officers: ~171 Zen
- Fleet Mark Bonus Pool: ~163 Zen
- Fleet Credit Bonus Pool: ~122 Zen
- Temporal Beacon Storage Device: ~80 Zen
- Polarized Disruptor Weapon Pack: ~60 Zen
- Gamma Quadrant Duty Officer Mini-Pack: ~43 Zen
- Standard Duty Officer Mini-Pack: ~39 Zen
- 1 Loby Crystal: ~1.7 Zen
Again, this table only reflects the individual value of each item, if you actually want and use EVERYTHING the box gives you and don't throw items away in search for something better.However, if you are after one specific item and don't care about the rest, the following table is for you:
Analysis based on 365 Boxes
As you can see from my previous evaluation, the numbers are very much in flux for the rare items. It makes a tremendous difference for the expected number of boxes you need to open, if the Timeship has a chance of 0.4 or 0.6 percent.
Regards,
Rachel
*Values for time ship based on the report of two other users claiming they found 1 in 10 boxes and 1 in 70 Boxes for a total of 2 in 445 boxes.
Lag Watch:
Delta Rising: Warning
Anniversary Event: Severe
Iconian Season: Critical
Lobi Crystals: 1055 (average 5.61 per box, highest in a single box: 50)
Polarized Disruptor Weapon Packs: 43
Standard Doff Packs: 43
Gamma Doff Packs: 42
Temporal Beacon Box: 21
5000 Fleet Credit Pack: 17
Mirror Recon Ship: 4
Mirror Deep Space Ship: 3
Console Box: 4
Temporal Doff (fed): 6
100 Fleet Mark Pack: 5
Time Ships: 0
More breakdown on Lobi Crystals
4 Crystals: 108 (57.4%)
5 Crystals: 47 (25%)
7 Crystals: 19 (10.1%)
10 Crystals: 5 (2.6%)
15 Crystals: 2 (1.06%)
20 Crystals: 5 (2.6%)
25 Crystals: 1 (0.53%)
50 Crystals: 1 (0.53%)
Thanks so much for posting this great info. Still showing mid 5 range of Lobi per box. I was so happy to be on DS9 a few minutes ago and they were discussing this thread.
Regards,
Rachel
Total boxes opened:301
Lobi Crystals: 1509
Gamma Quadrant Duty Officer Packs: 62
Standard Duty Officer Packs: 66
Console Packs Isometric Charge/Antimatter Spread: 9
Polarized Disruptor Weapon Packs: 56
Fleet Credit Bonus: 42
Fleet Mark Bonus: 16
Reconnaissance Science Vessel : 7
Deep Space Science Vessel: 1
Temporal Beacons: 32
Temporal Duty Officers: 9
Temporal Science Vessels: 0
One lock box had no items, but 15 Lobi crystals, and it only happened once.
WOW 301 boxes and no ship - this gets better and better:( And your lobi return was much lower at around 5!
Demonstrates that we need a lot more data until we can give any definitive figures for the high-end gear.
I'm honestly sorry, you got no timeship. When you invest that kind of money you would expect it to turn up.
Regards,
Rachel
For the bulk of stuff 90%+ things have remained pretty much the same within a percent or 2
you got extremely lucky - for every person like you there are 100 others that will open more that 200 boxes and get no ship!!!
You are in the extreme minority and no-one should even think that they could ever get a ship in the first 10 boxes because it only happens very very very rarely.
~220 lobi
3 MU DSSV's
1 console
5 Polarized disruptor weapons
2 Temporal doffs
3 Temporal beacons
~20 DOFF mini-packs
I belive the rest were Fleet credit and mark boosts.
Really have to say that the avg of 5.4 lobi per box is horrible given the prices in the lobi store
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I EARNED 1000 days...I didn't BUY it! New LTS=Death to Vet.System: 10/10/12 Never Forget
Something should be done for those who cared enough to have a 1000+ day sub.
They only come in white/common
Ah ok, been gone for some time so I didn't know if they changed.
Hmm so any box has the same (horrid) odds now? Lol maybe I'll try the few Temporal boxes I have or maybe just sell keys for energy creds...
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I EARNED 1000 days...I didn't BUY it! New LTS=Death to Vet.System: 10/10/12 Never Forget
Something should be done for those who cared enough to have a 1000+ day sub.
Didn't keep track of Lobi, but I had enough for the Mobius and only about 13 when I started
Gamma Quadrant Duty Officer Packs: 37
Standard Duty Officer Packs: 16
Console Packs Isometric Charge/Antimatter Spread: 2
Polarized Disruptor Weapon Packs: 13
Fleet Credit Bonus: 12
Fleet Mark Bonus: 2
Reconnaissance Science Vessel : 2
Deep Space Science Vessel: 4
Temporal Beacons: 6
Temporal Duty Officers: 3
Temporal Science Vessels: 1
I lucked out, I think, it took me over 400 boxes to get a D'kora and 300 to get a Orb Weaver.
You must have been EXTREMELY LUCKY - to get a Wells in 98 boxes but more than that 800 Lobi? That is WAY out of the normal range of 5.5 per box - that's like you getting 8 per box - you must have a major sized horse shoe you you back side!!
That's unfortunate, because then I can't really use this for the big table, but the info for the temp sci vessel I will incorporate.
Regards,
Rachel
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I hope that when this is done that a BIG warning on the wiki will be put in the notes section saying that this is not going to be accurate at all or even close to what you guys think the real number is, and is pretty much a really big guess.