Be careful with comments like that. Cryptic has a tendency to render them void.
True... but I truly believe with the utter mess these have caused (Oh the conflicting feelings) Cryptic would have to genuinely try to do worse than this.
Wait a minute...while I'm not as fan of the 'tier 5 Constitution' idea, I have to ask two questions:
1. How on Earth did CBS approve this, but NOT approve a tier 5 Constitution Refit Refit Refit?
2. Does anyone else think this claim that CBS is preventing things being put into the game is nothing more than an excuse intended to deflect criticism for decisions made, or to explain slow content rollout?
I just don't understand the logic here, at all. We can't upgrade old ships, which would be at least remotely believable (since we already have the TOS Connie and Galileo shuttlecraft), but...sure, ok, timeships for everybody!
just because something can doesn't mean it should.
It sounds poor to you, I grant that, but many of the 'common' logic models simply don't go through my head Then again, it doesn't for many creative people, 'cause our brains aren't wired that way...
Lol
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
It was my answer, nothing more, nothing less. Thinking I was trolling or being an a**hat says more about you than it does me lol
And something to say to you? Well, nothing other than tone it down... we all get you're upset. But there's no need to raise things to heck.
Well, first I'm not upset or angry in the slightest.
Secondly your post left me with exactly two options: either you were trolling or you lack any kind of critical thinking skills. I'm a nice guy, so I chose to believe the former. The fact that you can't answer my critique of your flawed logic and chose to instead cry foul over me "attacking" you reinforces that point, but it also betrays a very thin skin.
Wait a minute...while I'm not as fan of the 'tier 5 Constitution' idea, I have to ask two questions:
1. How on Earth did CBS approve this, but NOT approve a tier 5 Constitution Refit Refit Refit?
2. Does anyone else think this claim that CBS is preventing things being put into the game is nothing more than an excuse intended to deflect criticism for decisions made, or to explain slow content rollout?
I just don't understand the logic here, at all. We can't upgrade old ships, which would be at least remotely believable (since we already have the TOS Connie and Galileo shuttlecraft), but...sure, ok, timeships for everybody!
"F*** THE TIME POLICE" - CBS...? Hmmm...
Or maybe CBS wants to sell separate TOS MMO rights to someone else, like they did with DS9/Dominion War for the cancelled browser MMO?
I've considered that. Too much TOS here would interfere with selling that. They might be keen on the license for this being "post-TNG" with isolated cosmetic items so that they can license competing MMOs for the individual series.
Or maybe CBS wants to sell separate TOS MMO rights to someone else, like they did with DS9/Dominion War for the cancelled browser MMO?
I've considered that. Too much TOS here would interfere with selling that. They might be keen on the license for this being "post-TNG" with isolated cosmetic items so that they can license competing MMOs for the individual series.
That's an interesting idea, and I can see where you're coming from...but I can't say I personally agree, simply because the ships already exist in STO; the people asking for a tier 5 Connie were just asking for the same ship with a stat change.
I'd love to see a new TOS game, though, and definitely hope it happens.
1. How on Earth did CBS approve this, but NOT approve a tier 5 Constitution Refit Refit Refit?
Boggles the mind doesn't it?
They say no to a Consitution refitted with modern technlogy, but allow an NX replica.
They won't agree to a replica Consitution for Tier 5, but hey we got 29th Century Tech helping us out in the war 400 years in the past, commanded by 25th century Captains! Who needs the Temporal Prime Directive! :rolleyes:
Well, first I'm not upset or angry in the slightest.
Secondly your post left me with exactly two options: either you were trolling or you lack any kind of critical thinking skills. I'm a nice guy, so I chose to believe the former. The fact that you can't answer my critique of your flawed logic and chose to instead cry foul over me "attacking" you reinforces that point, but it also betrays a very thin skin.
I seriously doubt anyone at CBS cares about or takes this game seriously anymore.
Well it's not like I'm required to answer critiques about my logic Which as I said in a post above your answer, is definitely unusual to begin with.
And thin skin is a bit of an understatement. The difference being what gets under my skin, doesn't make me fly off the handle, unlike some people I've see on these forums (and that does not in any way imply you specifically).
Yes that makes little sense since these forums practically beg a thick skin, but I'm here because I want to be, to learn what's upcoming to the game.
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
The Prime Directive was broken and ignored a lot of times in canon, nulling it's uses. Why should the Temporal one be any different?
That is all.
it never was, it may have looked that way, besides if a favorable resolution is not found they can go back in time again and correct any problems. the idea of the prime directive remains and in the 22nd-24th centuries is is apparently broken but it may have deliberately been made this way to correct the timeline, the xindi incident for example should not of happened, Daniels apparently broken the prime directive but as it turns out the time was corrected so in effect the prime directive was not broken since these events never happened.
i herd that another PW game has the same lock box thing that sto has but in that game, not only can you get keys, but they also drop in-game, im wondering if thats something they might do for sto.
When did anyone care about canon? Did Paramount care about canon when it made JJ-Trek? Did CBS care about canon when it added the Temporal Cold War, Sphere Builders, Xindi, Vulcan Mindmelds, etc? The only people who care about canon are the fans - and they only care about the canon they like. Not the canon as a whole.
Actually... JJ-Trek happened in another Dimension and EVERYTHING in "Enterprise" was just a holonovel that should not be taken as Fact or Canon except for the very last part of the last episode.
As for the OP... Yay... More Canon breaking gambling. Joy...
I'd spend money to get these ships, if I was guaranteed to get them.
I cannot however spend money *trying* to get a ship that may never happen. The gambling nature is a bad thing. If I knew I could get the ship, I'd spend money on it. But knowing that I have only a slim chance to get one, I can't spend money on it, I could end up emptying out my entire checking account, opening hundreds of boxes, and still never get one. So I have no choice but to not even try.
However, I would happily give you guys my money if that returned in me getting the ship for sure, i.e, the C-store.
All of these items should be in the C-store. Lock Boxes are not the future, are you going to abandon the C-store? The whole idea of the c-store was to have a place where we could buy things like this, and now you aren't even using it anymore. Please, put these items on the C-store.
Yes, they are going to abandon any sure bet in favor of randomness. Why? Because it is how PWE operates. Why let you spend 20 bucks for something when they can make everything random and get you to drop 200 or more? Where is the sense in that?
You will NEVER see a return to just buying these things because in the end too many people are far too easy to sucker into gambling and those people will put themselves deep into a financial hole in order to try to get the next shiny.
I think all this nerd rage at the time ships being in the game hilarious. We've known they were coming for weeks and folks are still angry. Woudl folks be this angry if the ships were the 1K vet reward and free?
If they were the 1K vet reward you better be damn sure they would be more common.
I think all this nerd rage at the time ships being in the game hilarious. We've known they were coming for weeks and folks are still angry. Woudl folks be this angry if the ships were the 1K vet reward and free?
If they were the 1K vet reward you better be damn sure they would be more common.
The Rage over the inclusion of the ship itself would be the same no matter what. The rage over how your obtain it is its own separate issue and anger. Do not confuse one for the other. Though both things are worthy of anger the sheer and mind destroying lack of logic in a ship so advanced not dominating EVERYTHING in our current time to absolutely inane levels is really hard to get past.
The Rage over the inclusion of the ship itself would be the same no matter what. The rage over how your obtain it is its own separate issue and anger. Do not confuse one for the other. Though both things are worthy of anger the sheer and mind destroying lack of logic in a ship so advanced not dominating EVERYTHING in our current time to absolutely inane levels is really hard to get past.
Or use the very simple mantra: don't think about it
It saves you much anger and headaches, and lets you enjoy the game, instead of wasting time worrying about things like that.
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Awesome-awesome looking ships , nifty shuttles , silly time travelers suits (hey , they were stuck with what the show had ...) , and hey , moar mirror ships . So far , so good .
BUT , as a part of me was going "I needs to get me some keys ..." -- another (accursed) meandering part of my brain started to wonder about "the sales pitch" itself .
Further more , as the pitch started to more and more sound like a prose story (a pretty darn good one if you are into the Temporal Cold War thing -- which I'm not) -- I started to wonder where was the last time I experienced "story content" in STO delivered in prose style -- and yeah , I came to the Doff missions -- Kestrel's continuing contribution to Story Telling in STO .
Where am I going with this ?
Simple .
There is no way that I can see that "the pitch" (or at least the whole story aspect of it) came from the Cryptic marketing team . It was simply so good , so intricate and well thought out , that it could not have come from them .
What does that leave me with ?
The thought that either Kestrel or an uber time-travel nerd (errr ... I mean fan) wrote up (at least part of that pitch .
And honestly I was saddened ... BECAUSE it was such good a story ... and because from my POV , we're getting Story Content now through sales pitches .
I can't quite put my finger on it , but that's somehow... low ... you know ?
Wait a minute...while I'm not as fan of the 'tier 5 Constitution' idea, I have to ask two questions:
1. How on Earth did CBS approve this, but NOT approve a tier 5 Constitution Refit Refit Refit?
2. Does anyone else think this claim that CBS is preventing things being put into the game is nothing more than an excuse intended to deflect criticism for decisions made,
Or maybe CBS wants to sell separate TOS MMO rights to someone else, like they did with DS9/Dominion War for the cancelled browser MMO?
I've considered that. Too much TOS here would interfere with selling that. They might be keen on the license for this being "post-TNG" with isolated cosmetic items so that they can license competing MMOs for the individual series.
If you mean a whole MMO based on 1966 TOS , then IMO there is no long term "crowd" for that .
If you mean JJ-Trek verse , then I don't see how a T5 Connie would effect that as the JJ-Prize is a different ship already from the TOS era ships .
I am in the middle on this issue. But I have to say, just buy TRIBBLE on the exchange is a decent answer, but not a solve all. BUT if they start putting c-store ships into lockboxes and remove them from the c-store, THEN I will get pissed. But until that point... yeah... just gonna sit back and watch the mayhem.
P.S I agree, wtf is a PvP thread doing merged with this one???
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
I am starting to think Cryptic hates escorts. They are always coming out with new something else, but never escorts. Oh and the mini carrier doesn't count in my book as an escort.
Oh to stay on topic as well. If the ship comes in a lock box I well never own it. Well unless someone give me one.
Cryptic does not hate escorts. Escorts are some of the most insanely-overpowered and unbalanced ships in the game. Cryptic LOVES escorts. It's about time cruisers and science ships got some love, not that I agree the lockbox scam is the way to go about doing it, however...
1) To keep them (very rare) as they where ment to be.
2) Because the ship prices will fall too low and everybody will be flying in none fed ships!
3) Because you will lose money, people buy keys to convert to energy, if the price of ships hits rock bottom on the exchange, YOU WILL LOSE MONEY.
4) Because too many Recluse carriers in the game will stunt the sale of the Atrox from the zen store.
5) Because who every give you this idea clearly works for eve, they have people trolling you with bad ideas,, have you ever played STO???? we need to keep ships very rare, and we also need you to add (BOSS INSTANCES) With good loot drops, take a tip from wow ffs.
6) If people think they can wait two months for new ships to get lower in price why would they bother getting lobi when 20mill energy will do???????? they should always get higher in price, to do this they must leave the Lobi store!!
7) Because I already see too many people flying the Recluse, never see the Atrox in elites.
8) Because the sale of small craft from the zen store will be an epic fail,, we can already get widow fighters off the exchange and ferengi shuttles for 10million energy, in some case's LESS.
9) This stunt is a ****s trick on the people that play the exchange game, and have 5+ recluses saved.
10) I Leave this open for the few none trolls that use the forum, and have love for this game, to add their SAY on this important matter!
They don't care so long as they can make good $$ while doing it. :rolleyes:
sad thing is if we where to make a coordinated stand and not buy any zen till we got things we wanted in game . they would just close the game down claiming it was unproffitable and star trek fans would lose the only game we have at this time =(
sad thing is if we where to make a coordinated stand and not buy any zen till we got things we wanted in game . they would just close the game down claiming it was unproffitable and star trek fans would lose the only game we have at this time =(
I still fire up Birth of the Federation, Klingon Academy and Bridge Commander; even with this game. However, I don't have the same level of hate for the way those developers made their games. You know what i'm saying?
However, yes, given their circular reasoning that people don't like PVP because people don't PVP in their awful PVP system... yes, they would just shut the game down because they have some dolt who goes by the numbers without understanding how those numbers came about.
Oh, I wanted to add, and sorry for double post, but again I wanted to add... if they are going to allow 29th century ships fight 24th century ships and keep them on a level playing field. I want my T5 constitution damnit!!!!
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thats a poor logic model to go on.
just because something can doesn't mean it should.
i fail to see how this thread got merged with the timeship thread. it has nothing directly to do with them.
i was expressing my concern how when any item/s are introduced pvp is blatently ignored in what effects the item/s will have on it.
just shoot pvp in the head and get it over with already.
True... but I truly believe with the utter mess these have caused (Oh the conflicting feelings) Cryptic would have to genuinely try to do worse than this.
No, you want a Deferi for that. :P
1. How on Earth did CBS approve this, but NOT approve a tier 5 Constitution Refit Refit Refit?
2. Does anyone else think this claim that CBS is preventing things being put into the game is nothing more than an excuse intended to deflect criticism for decisions made, or to explain slow content rollout?
I just don't understand the logic here, at all. We can't upgrade old ships, which would be at least remotely believable (since we already have the TOS Connie and Galileo shuttlecraft), but...sure, ok, timeships for everybody!
"F*** THE TIME POLICE" - CBS...? Hmmm...
Lol
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Well, first I'm not upset or angry in the slightest.
Secondly your post left me with exactly two options: either you were trolling or you lack any kind of critical thinking skills. I'm a nice guy, so I chose to believe the former. The fact that you can't answer my critique of your flawed logic and chose to instead cry foul over me "attacking" you reinforces that point, but it also betrays a very thin skin.
I seriously doubt anyone at CBS cares about or takes this game seriously anymore.
Or maybe CBS wants to sell separate TOS MMO rights to someone else, like they did with DS9/Dominion War for the cancelled browser MMO?
I've considered that. Too much TOS here would interfere with selling that. They might be keen on the license for this being "post-TNG" with isolated cosmetic items so that they can license competing MMOs for the individual series.
That's an interesting idea, and I can see where you're coming from...but I can't say I personally agree, simply because the ships already exist in STO; the people asking for a tier 5 Connie were just asking for the same ship with a stat change.
I'd love to see a new TOS game, though, and definitely hope it happens.
Given his new lockbox, that's a definite. Selling out the IP for $$$.
This is why only a minority of Star Trek fans play STO, because the IP isn't respected.
Boggles the mind doesn't it?
They say no to a Consitution refitted with modern technlogy, but allow an NX replica.
They won't agree to a replica Consitution for Tier 5, but hey we got 29th Century Tech helping us out in the war 400 years in the past, commanded by 25th century Captains! Who needs the Temporal Prime Directive! :rolleyes:
And thin skin is a bit of an understatement. The difference being what gets under my skin, doesn't make me fly off the handle, unlike some people I've see on these forums (and that does not in any way imply you specifically).
Yes that makes little sense since these forums practically beg a thick skin, but I'm here because I want to be, to learn what's upcoming to the game.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
it never was, it may have looked that way, besides if a favorable resolution is not found they can go back in time again and correct any problems. the idea of the prime directive remains and in the 22nd-24th centuries is is apparently broken but it may have deliberately been made this way to correct the timeline, the xindi incident for example should not of happened, Daniels apparently broken the prime directive but as it turns out the time was corrected so in effect the prime directive was not broken since these events never happened.
Actually... JJ-Trek happened in another Dimension and EVERYTHING in "Enterprise" was just a holonovel that should not be taken as Fact or Canon except for the very last part of the last episode.
As for the OP... Yay... More Canon breaking gambling. Joy...
Yes, they are going to abandon any sure bet in favor of randomness. Why? Because it is how PWE operates. Why let you spend 20 bucks for something when they can make everything random and get you to drop 200 or more? Where is the sense in that?
You will NEVER see a return to just buying these things because in the end too many people are far too easy to sucker into gambling and those people will put themselves deep into a financial hole in order to try to get the next shiny.
If they were the 1K vet reward you better be damn sure they would be more common.
The Rage over the inclusion of the ship itself would be the same no matter what. The rage over how your obtain it is its own separate issue and anger. Do not confuse one for the other. Though both things are worthy of anger the sheer and mind destroying lack of logic in a ship so advanced not dominating EVERYTHING in our current time to absolutely inane levels is really hard to get past.
It saves you much anger and headaches, and lets you enjoy the game, instead of wasting time worrying about things like that.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
BUT , as a part of me was going "I needs to get me some keys ..." -- another (accursed) meandering part of my brain started to wonder about "the sales pitch" itself .
Further more , as the pitch started to more and more sound like a prose story (a pretty darn good one if you are into the Temporal Cold War thing -- which I'm not) -- I started to wonder where was the last time I experienced "story content" in STO delivered in prose style -- and yeah , I came to the Doff missions -- Kestrel's continuing contribution to Story Telling in STO .
Where am I going with this ?
Simple .
There is no way that I can see that "the pitch" (or at least the whole story aspect of it) came from the Cryptic marketing team . It was simply so good , so intricate and well thought out , that it could not have come from them .
What does that leave me with ?
The thought that either Kestrel or an uber time-travel nerd (errr ... I mean fan) wrote up (at least part of that pitch .
And honestly I was saddened ... BECAUSE it was such good a story ... and because from my POV , we're getting Story Content now through sales pitches .
I can't quite put my finger on it , but that's somehow... low ... you know ?
But hey , awesome ships ... !
Ain't Nobody Got Time for That
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
And what kind of content this lockbox has was pretty much known for weeks already (minus the consoles). Way to act shocked now...
This game is becoming a PWE version of one of Macau casinos. You know house always wins, yet you want to try your luck and ended up being...unhappy
Ain't Nobody Got Time for That
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
+1
If you mean a whole MMO based on 1966 TOS , then IMO there is no long term "crowd" for that .
If you mean JJ-Trek verse , then I don't see how a T5 Connie would effect that as the JJ-Prize is a different ship already from the TOS era ships .
P.S I agree, wtf is a PvP thread doing merged with this one???
Cryptic does not hate escorts. Escorts are some of the most insanely-overpowered and unbalanced ships in the game. Cryptic LOVES escorts. It's about time cruisers and science ships got some love, not that I agree the lockbox scam is the way to go about doing it, however...
2) Because the ship prices will fall too low and everybody will be flying in none fed ships!
3) Because you will lose money, people buy keys to convert to energy, if the price of ships hits rock bottom on the exchange, YOU WILL LOSE MONEY.
4) Because too many Recluse carriers in the game will stunt the sale of the Atrox from the zen store.
5) Because who every give you this idea clearly works for eve, they have people trolling you with bad ideas,, have you ever played STO???? we need to keep ships very rare, and we also need you to add (BOSS INSTANCES) With good loot drops, take a tip from wow ffs.
6) If people think they can wait two months for new ships to get lower in price why would they bother getting lobi when 20mill energy will do???????? they should always get higher in price, to do this they must leave the Lobi store!!
7) Because I already see too many people flying the Recluse, never see the Atrox in elites.
8) Because the sale of small craft from the zen store will be an epic fail,, we can already get widow fighters off the exchange and ferengi shuttles for 10million energy, in some case's LESS.
9) This stunt is a ****s trick on the people that play the exchange game, and have 5+ recluses saved.
10) I Leave this open for the few none trolls that use the forum, and have love for this game, to add their SAY on this important matter!
:mad: :eek: :mad: :
They don't care so long as they can make good $$ while doing it. :rolleyes:
sad thing is if we where to make a coordinated stand and not buy any zen till we got things we wanted in game . they would just close the game down claiming it was unproffitable and star trek fans would lose the only game we have at this time =(
I still fire up Birth of the Federation, Klingon Academy and Bridge Commander; even with this game. However, I don't have the same level of hate for the way those developers made their games. You know what i'm saying?
However, yes, given their circular reasoning that people don't like PVP because people don't PVP in their awful PVP system... yes, they would just shut the game down because they have some dolt who goes by the numbers without understanding how those numbers came about.
Since you know, Trek Lore is being TRIBBLE on.