i still think the lobi payout is still unfair in the last 20 boxes opened i got mostly doff packs (doff roster full) i don't need or want, 1 cxp thing and a fleet mark thing lobi (thats what i want) 18x4lobi 1x5lobi 1x17lobi.
so please if u give doff packs give more lobi with em.
I must say, very clever thing you've done with the Manheim Device there, Cryptic...
Although it is very much logical, I honestly didn't expect this as a game feature and wouldn't have thought of it myself. Heck, after checking the combat logs I even started to write a bug report. Only after a while it occured to me to actually read (*shock gasp* who does that?!) the console info - thus the thread title.
Oh well, note to self - do not use Manheim Effect while fighting lare groups of enemies or other Tactical Cubes...
For those who don't know - all the hull damage and heals the past "equivalent" of your ship takes actually influence your own ship! As such, do not be surprised to see you lose HP even when not being fired upon and having full shields.
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It looks like people are picking up the pace on buying lockbox keys. I keep seeing announcements for people claiming lockbox ships, every few minutes. Keep it up, folks! The more money for the game, the better! I don't buy the keys, but don't follow my bad example. You don't want to miss out on those cool ships, do you?
I just wish I could figure out how to turn off those reward announcements scrolling across the top of my screen... They're kind of annoying.
would it make sense to others that 3 seasons ago lockbox top prize joins the cstore
at a higher rate?, so each new season 3 seasons previous ship joins the cstore
so cardassian ship on cstore $25
this way u can still try for it via lockbox or if you just want it, you can pay for it
this removes the crying about lock boxes becuase you will be able to get any ship you want.. 3 season later..
also adds new ships to the cstore..
and by paying a higher price for old lockbox ships we keep dan and the boys in a job
The ship restriction supposedly deals with CBS not wanting too many unusual ships contaminating a particular Faction. The lockboxes guarantee a relatively small percentage of people have access to the ships - something which the C-Store could not guarantee. It's the difference between, say 5% of all potential buyers having a special ship and 100%.
Edit: I would add that I don't think the ship restriction should carry over to other Lobi Store items like clothing and equipment, though. I think those things should eventually make their way to the C-Store.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
This.... won't happen. Cryptic wants a large repertoire of assets it can rotate in and out of the game, and make money without making new stuff.
Ideally, I would have it so that every time a Lockbox is released, we get stuff put in the C-Store as well.
For example with the Temporal Lockboxes the 29th century uniforms should go in the C-Store, if the Galor comes back by itself, we could get Cardassian Captains and Boffs, if the Bug gets it's own box we could get customisable Jem'hadar and Vorta Boffs all in the C-Store.
I decided to invest in lock boxes. I am figuring I can get enough lobi to buy a special ship, because I just don't win them. The Tholian lock boxes were great, because even without winning a premium ship, there were consoles, weapons, and other great items. After 20 Temporal lock boxes opened, a couple of duty officer missions, and a lot of duty officer packs was all I have to show for it. Yeah, and lobi crystals.
I have decided to go back to opening Tholian lock boxes. The Temporal lock boxes are quite unsatisfactory.
My topic was moved? So much for my specific issues being discussed.
Yeah, they've been getting a bit overzealous the past few days about trying to combine all of 'Star Trek Online Discussion' into a single thread. I can see some identical threads being combined, but they're comining practically everything with the words 'lockbox', 'temporal', and/or 'lobi' into the same thread.
It's getting rather silly, and it's actually harder to keep up with what people are trying to say.
Yeah, they've been getting a bit overzealous the past few days about trying to combine all of 'Star Trek Online Discussion' into a single thread. I can see some identical threads being combined, but they're comining practically everything with the words 'lockbox', 'temporal', and/or 'lobi' into the same thread.
It's getting rather silly, and it's actually harder to keep up with what people are trying to say.
Nope, you can't. Because now, despite that you can buy the ships themselves on exchange, they still force you to use 600 (non-tradeable) lobi worth of lockbox keys to get a useful, matching set to go with it.
What a brilliant ploy the new temporal set is, isn't it? Yep, Cryptic's marketing department really outdid themselves, this time! Chapeau!
Yeah, I know, nobody's putting a gun to my head, making me buy these, blah, blah. But that's not the point: the point is that you now no longer can get around the lockboxes at all (at least C-ships with unique consoles you could simply buy). So, 800 + 600 (3x 200) = 1400 lobi for a fully fitted ship. With no way to circumvent the lockboxes. Great job, Cryptic!
Their whole marketing scheme is pulling away from C-Store to lottery lockboxes. And no one is seeing it. But who could blame em, right? I mean, why sell people ships for $25 (ca 2,500 zen) when you can take em for $250 to get enough lobi for a ship!
Nope, you can't. Because now, despite that you can buy the ships themselves on exchange, they still force you to use 600 (non-tradeable) lobi worth of lockbox keys to get a useful, matching set to go with it.
What a brilliant ploy the new temporal set is, isn't it? Yep, Cryptic's marketing department really outdid themselves, this time! Chapeau!
Yeah, I know, nobody's putting a gun to my head, making me buy these, blah, blah. But that's not the point: the point is that you now no longer can get around the lockboxes at all (at least C-ships with unique consoles you could simply buy). So, 800 + 600 (3x 200) = 1400 lobi for a fully fitted ship. With no way to circumvent the lockboxes. Great job, Cryptic!
Their whole marketing scheme is pulling away from C-Store to lottery lockboxes. And no one is seeing it. But who could blame em, right? I mean, why sell people ships for $25 (ca 2,500 zen) when you can take em for $250 to get enough lobi for a ship!
shows that if you are lucky you might get 6 lobi per box on the very high end and 5 lobi per box on the low end.
So let's say 5.5 lobi per box 1400/5.5 = 255 keys or yes with the current sale $250 dollars!!!! for the ship set - No ship is worth that - if you are using real money
I saved up a lot of Lobi to buy a female outfit for my boffs, only to realize that unlike the zen store stuff, I can't dress my boffs in Lobi store clothing.
Please fix. I would spend more Lobi if I can dress my boffs too.
You can as long as it's in the "Uniform" tab.
I'd love to be able to set my entire crew up in mercenary gear but, for now they're all in the Temporal Jumpsuit as they man stations on my Mobius class.
I am starting to think Cryptic hates escorts. They are always coming out with new something else, but never escorts. Oh and the mini carrier doesn't count in my book as an escort.
Oh to stay on topic as well. If the ship comes in a lock box I well never own it. Well unless someone give me one.
For the record, the Mobius Destroyer handles a LOT like a Defiant. Just with it's own SHard of Possibilities console.
Just wondering what other people's thoughts are about them?
What are your opinions on the non-account unlocks of non-consumables* in the lobi store?
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E.G. Costumes, Weapons such as Tholian sword etc
Ship crates, pet crate, one use heal items etc are in my eyes 'consumable'
Personally it irks me, and it makes it extremely an unappealing choice to use lobi crystals on, if the price was bumped up a bit, and became account wide unlockables (or in case of weapons account bound) it would make things a LOT more appealing.
My example is, i would love to try the new temporal hand weapon, but for 50 lobi and many toons depending on my mood, i dont want to waste the lobi
Anyone have any similar or differing opinions?
Edit: Unsure of where this kind of post is supposed to be, if any moderators feel its in the wrong place please move it !
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Want the consoles on more than one character? Gotta open the boxes on more than one...but you're punished by the inability to combine the leftovers on your main character.
Want all your lobi on one character, like a central bank? Fine, open all the boxes on that character...but you're punished by the inability to send the consoles to your other characters via a 'reward pack' style device.
So, you're pretty much damned if you do, and damned if you don't, with no way to plan ahead for the next lockbox release, in terms of lobi savings.
I have a very good question that I would like the devs to answer if possible.
We were told by yourselves that CBS stated ships in the lockboxes had to be uber rare, and that was the only way CBS gave the all clear to allow them to be in the game.
The reason being that they did not want to see captains flying around in non Federation ships.
So now my questions:
There are rare ships available in the lobi store that anyone can buy, at any time, by simply opening enough boxes to get enough lobi for them. So why are they not in the cstore instead? The same goes for all the other items in the lobi store?
Why have you voided the very reason why the lockboxes are ingame, to make them not available in the cstore and uber rare?
Why do you even need the lobi store when you have a perfectly good cstore sitting right there, which could have served the same purpose as the lobi store?
It is almost as if you are purposely making the stores and the many currencies in the game as difficult as possible to follow, so why make it so splintered?
From a business standpoint, you are deliberately making your game more difficult to play, when I am sure you wanted it to be easier surely?
I would like this thread to stay civil if possible...
Keep in mind that needing 800 Lobi for a ship does basically qualify as rare. With an average of around 5 Lobi per Key you're looking at needing 160 Keys to buy that ship. That's around $200.00. Most people aren't going to spend that much on Keys. Yes, some people will spend that, and more, but that doesn't mean the vast majority of players will. So when you consider that only 10-20% of the player-base spends money, and probably less then 5% of them will get a special or Lobi ship, you're looking at, maybe 1% of the overall player-base having said ships. That is quite rare compared to the whole.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Keep in mind that needing 800 Lobi for a ship does basically qualify as rare. With an average of around 5 Lobi per Key you're looking at needing 160 Keys to buy that ship. That's around $200.00. Most people aren't going to spend that much on Keys. Yes, some people will spend that, and more, but that doesn't mean the vast majority of players will. So when you consider that only 10-20% of the player-base spends money, and probably less then 5% of them will get a special or Lobi ship, you're looking at, maybe 1% of the overall player-base having said ships. That is quite rare compared to the whole.
Ok then, why not simply put it in the cstore for around $150. Are they trying to hide the costs involved to trick people into buying them?
And it is besides the point, cryptic said the only way CBS would allow the rare ships ingame would be via chance lockboxes.
That is not happening here, these ship are in a store available 24/7 by anyone willing to put money down.
And see that the lobi received is in the 5 range - so if you want the ship and the 3 console pack that goes with it you are goning to be spending around $250 dollars!!!!
Perhaps as much as $300 if you are gunning for both ships and consoles
With these astronomical prices they should be keeping the amount of ships down. Unfortuantely some people are going to spend way more money then they intended not realizing how bad the odds/cost are.
One point of my thread was to show people what they "could" expect from opening a large amout of boxes. others have only confirmed my results.
Ok then, why not simply put it in the cstore for around $150. Are they trying to hide the costs involved to trick people into buying them?
They are trying to hide the cost. Most people consider the Lobi to be secondary rewards, though; and if they acquire enough of them over months they have a shot at something decent.
I'd never pay $150.00 for single-character unlock ship in any game, but acquiring 800 Lobi over 7 months while trying to get something else doesn't make the original purchases seem so terrible. It's all just purchase psychology - the same things every store you do business with does.
And it is besides the point, cryptic said the only way CBS would allow the rare ships ingame would be via chance lockboxes.
That is not happening here, these ship are in a store available 24/7 by anyone willing to put money down.
I would only add here that we're paraphrasing what CBS said, a LOT - as we don't even really know what the true restrictions are. The truth is we only have general Dev statements which have been convoluted by thousands of players' posts since those statements were made. In other words, with each post we all slowly tweak what CBS wants based on our own desires. For example, I never remember those Dev statements stating Federation ships. I simply remember it being a ship restriction. Likewise I don't remember it ever being a Lockbox-only restriction. We all take the words we read long ago and make them what we want in our minds.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
And see that the lobi received is in the 5 range - so if you want the ship and the 3 console pack that goes with it you are goning to be spending around $250 dollars!!!!
Perhaps as much as $300 if you are gunning for both ships and consoles
With these astronomical prices they should be keeping the amount of ships down. Unfortuantely some people are going to spend way more money then they intended not realizing how bad the odds/cost are.
One point of my thread was to show people what they "could" expect from opening a large amout of boxes. others have only confirmed my results.
Oh I agree, the prices involved are ridiculous. I understand that cryptic removing the lockboxes is never going to happen, but the thing is, cryptic have now changed the rules.
For example, I never remember those Dev statements stating Federation ships. I simply remember it being a ship restriction. Likewise I don't remember it ever being a Lockbox-only restriction. We all take the words we read long ago and make them what we want in our minds.
That's why i miss the Nagus around here. He was a really good "quote-digger".
That's why i miss the Nagus around here. He was a really good "quote-digger".
The Nagus is still around, on 3 or 4 different accounts.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Yay, thanks for hiding my thread amongst another.....
Well, it was a Lockbox thread. What did you expect?
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Comments
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=397251
I also avg 5.8 lobi per box - which some have told me is on the HIGH side!
No ship of course
so please if u give doff packs give more lobi with em.
not trying 2 rant sorry...
Someone needs to re-prioritize their marketing plan. :rolleyes:
Although it is very much logical, I honestly didn't expect this as a game feature and wouldn't have thought of it myself. Heck, after checking the combat logs I even started to write a bug report. Only after a while it occured to me to actually read (*shock gasp* who does that?!) the console info - thus the thread title.
Oh well, note to self - do not use Manheim Effect while fighting lare groups of enemies or other Tactical Cubes...
For those who don't know - all the hull damage and heals the past "equivalent" of your ship takes actually influence your own ship! As such, do not be surprised to see you lose HP even when not being fired upon and having full shields.
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I just wish I could figure out how to turn off those reward announcements scrolling across the top of my screen... They're kind of annoying.
Who cares about another shield/hull heal, was it worth 300 bucks ?
at a higher rate?, so each new season 3 seasons previous ship joins the cstore
so cardassian ship on cstore $25
this way u can still try for it via lockbox or if you just want it, you can pay for it
this removes the crying about lock boxes becuase you will be able to get any ship you want.. 3 season later..
also adds new ships to the cstore..
and by paying a higher price for old lockbox ships we keep dan and the boys in a job
comments.. flame on!?
Edit: I would add that I don't think the ship restriction should carry over to other Lobi Store items like clothing and equipment, though. I think those things should eventually make their way to the C-Store.
Ideally, I would have it so that every time a Lockbox is released, we get stuff put in the C-Store as well.
For example with the Temporal Lockboxes the 29th century uniforms should go in the C-Store, if the Galor comes back by itself, we could get Cardassian Captains and Boffs, if the Bug gets it's own box we could get customisable Jem'hadar and Vorta Boffs all in the C-Store.
I have decided to go back to opening Tholian lock boxes. The Temporal lock boxes are quite unsatisfactory.
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Yeah, they've been getting a bit overzealous the past few days about trying to combine all of 'Star Trek Online Discussion' into a single thread. I can see some identical threads being combined, but they're comining practically everything with the words 'lockbox', 'temporal', and/or 'lobi' into the same thread.
It's getting rather silly, and it's actually harder to keep up with what people are trying to say.
"Silly" is a light way to put it. -_-
Nope, you can't. Because now, despite that you can buy the ships themselves on exchange, they still force you to use 600 (non-tradeable) lobi worth of lockbox keys to get a useful, matching set to go with it.
What a brilliant ploy the new temporal set is, isn't it? Yep, Cryptic's marketing department really outdid themselves, this time! Chapeau!
Yeah, I know, nobody's putting a gun to my head, making me buy these, blah, blah. But that's not the point: the point is that you now no longer can get around the lockboxes at all (at least C-ships with unique consoles you could simply buy). So, 800 + 600 (3x 200) = 1400 lobi for a fully fitted ship. With no way to circumvent the lockboxes. Great job, Cryptic!
Their whole marketing scheme is pulling away from C-Store to lottery lockboxes. And no one is seeing it. But who could blame em, right? I mean, why sell people ships for $25 (ca 2,500 zen) when you can take em for $250 to get enough lobi for a ship!
Yes my experiment + many other comments:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=397251
shows that if you are lucky you might get 6 lobi per box on the very high end and 5 lobi per box on the low end.
So let's say 5.5 lobi per box 1400/5.5 = 255 keys or yes with the current sale $250 dollars!!!! for the ship set - No ship is worth that - if you are using real money
You can as long as it's in the "Uniform" tab.
I'd love to be able to set my entire crew up in mercenary gear but, for now they're all in the Temporal Jumpsuit as they man stations on my Mobius class.
For the record, the Mobius Destroyer handles a LOT like a Defiant. Just with it's own SHard of Possibilities console.
What are your opinions on the non-account unlocks of non-consumables* in the lobi store?
*
E.G. Costumes, Weapons such as Tholian sword etc
Ship crates, pet crate, one use heal items etc are in my eyes 'consumable'
Personally it irks me, and it makes it extremely an unappealing choice to use lobi crystals on, if the price was bumped up a bit, and became account wide unlockables (or in case of weapons account bound) it would make things a LOT more appealing.
My example is, i would love to try the new temporal hand weapon, but for 50 lobi and many toons depending on my mood, i dont want to waste the lobi
Anyone have any similar or differing opinions?
Edit: Unsure of where this kind of post is supposed to be, if any moderators feel its in the wrong place please move it !
Want the consoles on more than one character? Gotta open the boxes on more than one...but you're punished by the inability to combine the leftovers on your main character.
Want all your lobi on one character, like a central bank? Fine, open all the boxes on that character...but you're punished by the inability to send the consoles to your other characters via a 'reward pack' style device.
So, you're pretty much damned if you do, and damned if you don't, with no way to plan ahead for the next lockbox release, in terms of lobi savings.
We were told by yourselves that CBS stated ships in the lockboxes had to be uber rare, and that was the only way CBS gave the all clear to allow them to be in the game.
The reason being that they did not want to see captains flying around in non Federation ships.
So now my questions:
There are rare ships available in the lobi store that anyone can buy, at any time, by simply opening enough boxes to get enough lobi for them. So why are they not in the cstore instead? The same goes for all the other items in the lobi store?
Why have you voided the very reason why the lockboxes are ingame, to make them not available in the cstore and uber rare?
Why do you even need the lobi store when you have a perfectly good cstore sitting right there, which could have served the same purpose as the lobi store?
It is almost as if you are purposely making the stores and the many currencies in the game as difficult as possible to follow, so why make it so splintered?
From a business standpoint, you are deliberately making your game more difficult to play, when I am sure you wanted it to be easier surely?
I would like this thread to stay civil if possible...
Ok then, why not simply put it in the cstore for around $150. Are they trying to hide the costs involved to trick people into buying them?
And it is besides the point, cryptic said the only way CBS would allow the rare ships ingame would be via chance lockboxes.
That is not happening here, these ship are in a store available 24/7 by anyone willing to put money down.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=397251
And see that the lobi received is in the 5 range - so if you want the ship and the 3 console pack that goes with it you are goning to be spending around $250 dollars!!!!
Perhaps as much as $300 if you are gunning for both ships and consoles
With these astronomical prices they should be keeping the amount of ships down. Unfortuantely some people are going to spend way more money then they intended not realizing how bad the odds/cost are.
One point of my thread was to show people what they "could" expect from opening a large amout of boxes. others have only confirmed my results.
I'd never pay $150.00 for single-character unlock ship in any game, but acquiring 800 Lobi over 7 months while trying to get something else doesn't make the original purchases seem so terrible. It's all just purchase psychology - the same things every store you do business with does.
I would only add here that we're paraphrasing what CBS said, a LOT - as we don't even really know what the true restrictions are. The truth is we only have general Dev statements which have been convoluted by thousands of players' posts since those statements were made. In other words, with each post we all slowly tweak what CBS wants based on our own desires. For example, I never remember those Dev statements stating Federation ships. I simply remember it being a ship restriction. Likewise I don't remember it ever being a Lockbox-only restriction. We all take the words we read long ago and make them what we want in our minds.
Oh I agree, the prices involved are ridiculous. I understand that cryptic removing the lockboxes is never going to happen, but the thing is, cryptic have now changed the rules.