Ok then, why not simply put it in the cstore for around $150. Are they trying to hide the costs involved to trick people into buying them?
And it is besides the point, cryptic said the only way CBS would allow the rare ships ingame would be via chance lockboxes.
That is not happening here, these ship are in a store available 24/7 by anyone willing to put money down.
yes but how many people compared to the whole playerbase is going to cough up that much money to buy one?
CBS want them to be rare. they dont care how that rarity is achieved.
yes but how many people compared to the whole playerbase is going to cough up that much money to buy one?
CBS want them to be rare. they dont care how that rarity is achieved.
Exactly! Someone will spend a few bucks on Keys to take a chance - especially if the earned Lobi can be saved and used for something they want eventually. Very few people are going to drop $150.00 on a ship. Both systems lead to rare usage by the playerbase, but one avenue makes Cryptic money while the other would make them very, very little.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Yay, thanks for hiding my thread amongst another.....
My thread of Lock box results and my(as well as others) estimates of odds was sent to "Ten Forward" even before the release on Thursday -I find ten forward to be sort of the back of the bus section.
Still it has gotten almost 12,000 views now so I am quite happy that a lot of people can see what they can expect from these boxes.
Exactly! Someone will spend a few bucks on Keys to take a chance - especially if the earned Lobi can be saved and used for something they want eventually. Very few people are going to drop $150.00 on a ship. Both systems lead to rare usage by the playerbase, but one avenue makes Cryptic money while the other would make them very, very little.
Cryptic is just playing by PWE the rule book. Its a F2P game now and the Lobi store and "rare" ships is how they make money.
Also wasn't there some stat that said the average F2P person spent something like 50 Cents a month on the game? It would be hard to keep your game afloat if you went from all your players paying 15 bucks a month to 50 cents. You've got to make up that gap some where.
Also we know the forum is "small part of the player base" so if only a tiny part of the forum base spends $100+ on keys I would consider them still rare.
yes but how many people compared to the whole playerbase is going to cough up that much money to buy one?
CBS want them to be rare. they dont care how that rarity is achieved.
CBS I bet is more happy, they make a ton of cash on lockboxes as well and keep the ships rare. Why does everyone always think CBS is on the side of the player? CBS wants to make as much money on the Trek IP as possible.
Also wasn't there some stat that said the average F2P person spent something like 50 Cents a month on the game? It would be hard to keep your game afloat if you went from all your players paying 15 bucks a month to 50 cents. You've got to make up that gap some where.
Traditionally, FTP games have about 10% of the fan-base using money to support the game. The other 90% tend to grind for whatever they want. STO might be a little higher then 10% due to the nature of Trekkie-love but even at 20% it still means only 1 in 5 players financially support the game.
Sadly, even though I own every Fed and fluff thing I want from the C-Store I'm part of the 80/90%. Everything I buy comes from Zen earned via the Dilithium Exchange. Cryptic hasn't gotten any money out of me since January. I'm a leech...
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Also wasn't there some stat that said the average F2P person spent something like 50 Cents a month on the game? It would be hard to keep your game afloat if you went from all your players paying 15 bucks a month to 50 cents. You've got to make up that gap some where.
Thats only assuming your playerbase stays the same. Most F2P games have several times the playerbase as they did previously. Of course, the goal of F2P isnt simply to increase your playerbase, but more importantly to increase your revenue. So the point of what you are saying is still correct.
Traditionally, FTP games have about 10% of the fan-base using money to support the game. The other 90% tend to grind for whatever they want. STO might be a little higher then 10% due to the nature of Trekkie-love but even at 20% it still means only 1 in 5 players financially support the game.
Sadly, even though I own every Fed and fluff thing I want from the C-Store I'm part of the 80/90%. Everything I buy comes from Zen earned via the Dilithium Exchange. Cryptic hasn't gotten any money out of me since January. I'm a leech...
Meh, you're helping folks get Dilithium and in a way that kinda helps cryptic. The Zen you spend would have had to be spent anyway. You just helped someone avoid a grind, and in a way helping make this game less "grindy" even if costs someone money is a good way to prevent player burn out.
Of course you know the way to make is less grindy, but most folks don't have the game knowledge or number of toons to generate mass amounts of Dilithium.
Asides from it being a play for money which its a business of course but a few suggestions on some issues on it that were overlooked IMO.
A time ship should have additional abilities other than a 13 second rewind if you will. The first thing is the KDF one does not have a cloak and what kind of battle ship that is in appearance and for all justice to be given should have a cloaking device.
Also some have stated some facts which were mere statements of having absolutely no knowledge of the KDF but really I understand what they are trying to say. They are more concerned about PvP although they won't come out and say it so I have a few ideas that can please everyone.
The first thing is without adding anything to the ships themselves I have come up with an idea for 2 additional consoles that could be added to the lobi store.
First one is a Temporal Shield which in terms of tech... make this console a copy of the Kar'fi console and slap the name Temporal Shield on it and make it a shield instead of a console. Although I play the KDF and love any uniqueness we have left the easy decision would be just to do these with proc on the shields to have a proc chance of putting the time ship out of phase for the little feddies.
The second thing is either a temporal cloaking device either standard or battle cloak style which I would assume by the 29th or 31st century Klingon technology would be further enough ahead to have battle cloaks on larger ships If its going to have a high price it might as well be a battle cloak but at this point i'd settle on anything that will give the Klingon one its feeling of being KDF.
Anyways it solves the problem I have with it... Gives both factions something more out of the lobi store and supports the game so I figure if it can be done it will be done
Everything I buy comes from Zen earned via the Dilithium Exchange. Cryptic hasn't gotten any money out of me since January. I'm a leech...
Nah; you increase demand for Zen, which causes the price to rise, which causes more people to buy Zen to sell for Dil. Cryptic makes money because of you; I'm sure they're happy.
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Nah; you increase demand for Zen, which causes the price to rise, which causes more people to buy Zen to sell for Dil. Cryptic makes money because of you; I'm sure they're happy.
So what you are saying is I am one of Cryptic's hard working employees
Is the temporal doff+temporal storage package/whatever even worth using? Or should I just cut my losses and sell them for around 3 mill total based on what I have?
Is the temporal doff+temporal storage package/whatever even worth using? Or should I just cut my losses and sell them for around 3 mill total based on what I have?
Eh they have some good uses... One i know that benefits toons that if you set up their traits on melee damage or if there is a trait that was required like that getting that blue vorta melee one stack that up would make a killer melee doff setup from doing those.
I'm sure thats not the only really good setup you can pull out from using them but the only really good one I've seen so far. If you don't care for doffs it prolly be better to get something for them tho
Eh they have some good uses... One i know that benefits toons that if you set up their traits on melee damage or if there is a trait that was required like that getting that blue vorta melee one stack that up would make a killer melee doff setup from doing those.
I'm sure thats not the only really good setup you can pull out from using them but the only really good one I've seen so far. If you don't care for doffs it prolly be better to get something for them tho
Melee DOff?
Is this like the Security ones from the old DOff packs that boost crit?
I have 3 of those and something like 75% crit on melee.
Right now, my other two ground DOffs are nurses because I eat hypos like crazy but I could use another 2 ground melee DOffs if there's a new kind.
Oh I agree, the prices involved are ridiculous. I understand that cryptic removing the lockboxes is never going to happen, but the thing is, cryptic have now changed the rules.
That last statement is correct in more ways than one. The game is no longer alt friendly. So by extension, since the new content is so light it also means that player retention isn't evne given lip service anymore. Its the real reason why players are made to level so fast, so they can start spending right away. And now the best shinies are locked behind a lockbox. The Lobi store is the new C-store.
Ideally we'd all be churn players that spend way to much then leave to be replaced by new players. Honestly, I worry about the game's future at the rate they're going. They're so aggressive about making the hard sale that I don't see it lasting as long as it should. It'll make more money though.
Edit: I should have clarified, the game isn't alt friendly in the way that you can get several highly geared alts with all the best store gear.
I'd of loved to of gotten a Wells class, but I really am just after the Relativity Uniform... so had to stock up on Lobi Crystals... I've opened more than any sane person should... and here's the outcome.
Temporal Lock Boxes Opened To date ( 103 ) out of 103 )
This recent Greed Box saddens me the most. True representation on how Cryptic/PWE considers STO a joke and how this MMO will never be anything but borderline 'average.'
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So saw the Time Traveler Jumpsuit cost 10+ Mil on the exchange. And I only needed 40 more lobi to earn it so I got myself some keys. Thankfully it only took me 6 keys to get 40 lobi.
I just gotta say the Time Traveler Jumpsuit looks awesome. Its a shirt, pants and boots. Of course its just too bad its not an account unlock.
So saw the Time Traveler Jumpsuit cost 10+ Mil on the exchange. And I only needed 40 more lobi to earn it so I got myself some keys. Thankfully it only took me 6 keys to get 40 lobi.
I just gotta say the Time Traveler Jumpsuit looks awesome. Its a shirt, pants and boots. Of course its just too bad its not an account unlock.
Two things about it:
It looks like a suit made out of yarn when people color it. I appreciate the customization options being there but, yowza. Could be funny on a Caitian, I guess.
It does great with the Seven of Nine short boots. I never stopped to think how allthose lines would look on the female form. Again, yowza, I say.
So saw the Time Traveler Jumpsuit cost 10+ Mil on the exchange. And I only needed 40 more lobi to earn it so I got myself some keys. Thankfully it only took me 6 keys to get 40 lobi.
I just gotta say the Time Traveler Jumpsuit looks awesome. Its a shirt, pants and boots. Of course its just too bad its not an account unlock.
notice my post on the last page... I'm nuts. but I've been begging for the Capt. Braxton " Relativity " Uniform from day one of beta, and now I'm just waiting for them to put in to, It can't be to far off it was shown in the Lock Box Spotlight Video ( of course for only second at the very end ) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3277960/29th%20Century%20Unifom.jpg
The Crewman Daniels Temporal Jumpsuit is alright but it's out of place in this lock box, it's as who ever put the box together didn't do their homework, and had finished the daniels before someone noticed his error...
There is no reason in my mind that would be a valid reason why they wouldn't have the Braxton uniform in with this run, you have the Wells, you have the "Relativity" weapons and they even went as far as to make the Relativity Bridge...
My biggest question is, Why is the Daniels Jumpsuit in here. wouldn't Cryptic want to save this for say a " Temporal Cold War Lock Box " where the big carrot in the box is the Enterprise-J...
My biggest question is, Why is the Daniels Jumpsuit in here. wouldn't Cryptic want to save this for say a " Temporal Cold War Lock Box " where the big carrot in the box is the Enterprise-J...
This will never, never, never, never, never, NEVER EVER happen.
Not only would there be no way Cryptic could justify putting it ingame, allowing players to pilot a ship bigger than spacedock would cause the whole GFX engine to melt.
notice my post on the last page... I'm nuts. but I've been begging for the Capt. Braxton " Relativity " Uniform from day one of beta, and now I'm just waiting for them to put in to, It can't be to far off it was shown in the Lock Box Spotlight Video ( of course for only second at the very end ) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3277960/29th%20Century%20Unifom.jpg
The Crewman Daniels Temporal Jumpsuit is alright but it's out of place in this lock box, it's as who ever put the box together didn't do their homework, and had finished the daniels before someone noticed his error...
There is no reason in my mind that would be a valid reason why they wouldn't have the Braxton uniform in with this run, you have the Wells, you have the "Relativity" weapons and they even went as far as to make the Relativity Bridge...
My biggest question is, Why is the Daniels Jumpsuit in here. wouldn't Cryptic want to save this for say a " Temporal Cold War Lock Box " where the big carrot in the box is the Enterprise-J...
It could be possible they wanted the 29th century suit for the lobi store but didn't have it working right. Its a Fed costume so that means it has to work with all the Fed parts of other costumes. I figure that takes some time to work out. In the promo its just the vanilla version of the costume and that could be working but the 100+ variants players would make may not be working. And that's why it flagged to be in the Lobi store later.
The Time Jumpsuit has less compatible parts so it maybe have been easier to make.
This will never, never, never, never, never, NEVER EVER happen.
Not only would there be no way Cryptic could justify putting it ingame, allowing players to pilot a ship bigger than spacedock would cause the whole GFX engine to melt.
good point, but that's never stopped them... just make it the size of one of those V'Ger Borg Command Ships. wouldn't be the first time that they got the scale wrong on something.
It could be possible they wanted the 29th century suit for the lobi store but didn't have it working right. Its a Fed costume so that means it has to work with all the Fed parts of other costumes. I figure that takes some time to work out. In the promo its just the vanilla version of the costume and that could be working but the 100+ variants players would make may not be working. And that's why it flagged to be in the Lobi store later.
The Time Jumpsuit has less compatible parts so it maybe have been easier to make.
I fully understand this, but the time used to develope the jump suit could of been used to give the 29th Century uniforms a good spit shine. I wonder if the got the ranks above capt. right (according to Extended Universe ) http://stexpanded.wikia.com/wiki/Starfleet_uniform_(29th_century) and in the video it looks as if we've got an Operations officer leading the away team, with two command officers observing... so maybe a temporal Agent Training mission or something... but I'm getting off topic
This will never, never, never, never, never, NEVER EVER happen.
Not only would there be no way Cryptic could justify putting it ingame, allowing players to pilot a ship bigger than spacedock would cause the whole GFX engine to melt.
I suppose they could have the Enterprise-J as an accessible hub but that strikes me as a totally different kind of prize.
You know, Temporal Transwarp on a 10 minute cooldown. Lets you visit the J from your location and do your crafting, exchange, banking, etc. from there and then go back to where you were?
But I see that as a Lobi store item. Probably around 200. And would probably need something special like a vendor who sells certain items there like the future phasers for dilithium.
I fully understand this, but the time used to develope the jump suit could of been used to give the 29th Century uniforms a good spit shine. I wonder if the got the ranks above capt. right (according to Extended Universe ) http://stexpanded.wikia.com/wiki/Starfleet_uniform_(29th_century) and in the video it looks as if we've got an Operations officer leading the away team, with two command officers observing... so maybe a temporal Agent Training mission or something... but I'm getting off topic
Expanded Universe is a fan fiction wiki. Cryptic might have gone that route with higher ranks and might not. I wouldn't suggest they start adhering to fan fiction though as it has legal issues.
More polish is nice but the uniforms in the video looked right to me. Maybe could stand another pass for detailing. And they DID delay the uniforms.
Also, I generally take issue with fan uniform colorings AND with Cryptic uniform colorings.
Fan colorings of STO uniforms tend to be designed based on limited lighting examination, colors faded by washing on screen, and heavily influenced by fanon. (Such as the lighter grey First Contact uniforms for post-Nemesis novels.)
Cryptic colors tend to be more accurate in more lighting (and why I always find an NPC wearing the uniform I want to compare to). Cryptic uses black-clack instead of blue-grey black for uniforms and its command red is third back from the most vivid, not sixth or eighth from the left as most fan sources use.
However, Cryptic's palette they supply for players is missing the right shades of green for uniforms with green in them.
It's is missing an option for berry red (which is most Trek command uniforms). (Although Cryptic has the right level of lightness/brightness. Fans tend to go darker to simulate the berry color. It should be brighter like Cryptic's but tinted Berry.)
The biggest frustration I have is that things like rank pips tend to be yellow gold or silver gold in STO. They put a slight yellow tint on it which probably means silver gold is correct (and what Cryptic uses for canon TNG era uniforms the limited times they appear.) But there really should be a third set of four colors representing white gold. Only Insurrection pips should be dark grey (and they differ from DS9/Voyager likely because Picard's pips were supposed to look dramatic when he took them off) and only TOS and WoK insignia should be full on bronze/yellow gold. There is an essential "white gold" color that's missing and it causes fan costume reconstructions in STO to schizophrenically alternate between silver and gold pips.
While I'm on a suggestion/rant, I think faces need love. Particularly:
- More hairstyles.
- Addition of two scar/tattoo slots. (I was looking at this and was surprised how many of the scars are canon. I tend to forget scars except when looking at an actor but Dukat flat out has three scars/blemishes. And all three are in the character creator. And of those three, only one is part of Marc Alaimo's face. In general, characters in Trek had more scars/blemishes than I remembered.) A lot of canon non-human characters had 2-3 scars as part of their makeup.
- More eye nose combinations. (At the least, "casucasian" eyes with a round nose and "asian" eyes with a sharp nose. Incidentally, Avery Brooks has the former while Patrick Stewart has the latter.)
- Non-movable scar-like details for the face. This would help differentiate Cardassians, Ferengi, etc. Just extra layers with things like a cheek definition texture, optional chin clefts, laugh lines without having to use a fully aged face.
- Body bulk slider like the Gorn have for other species. Let the Pakleds be fat. Let humans have ponch. Let Klingons have a blood wine belly.
Do this and people won't look like an inbred family reunion on DS9. Everybody looks too young and perfect as it is. (The only other realistic option being old and emaciated.)
Expanded Universe is a fan fiction wiki. Cryptic might have gone that route with higher ranks and might not. I wouldn't suggest they start adhering to fan fiction though as it has legal issues.
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I hear you, and I agree, I've taken on this stance when it comes to extended and expanded universe content, mostly because Doctor Who and the many years it was off the air...
I dislike "canon" in a narrow sense of the word being only what was seen in a TV show or movie, canon isn't the same as continuity, canon is the standard of something... Both Doctor Who and Star Trek have a standard of being fantastic sci-fi stories.
so my stance is this... So long as it's A. officially licensed (quick edit: approved by) or commissioned by the rights holders, and B. It's an entertaining story... Fan Fic, have it's place, some are really good stories, and a lot of Trek (and doctor who ) Writers started off as fan fic writers, and sometimes, not often but some times are picked up by the parent IP
I just spent $30 of keys I was just given for a present and with that $30 of worthless DOFF Packs. :rolleyes:
I could've bought a couple of C-store ships for this amount. Boy do I look stupid, believing that I could end up with something good. What's even more is that there is a confirmed bug with the Temporal missions where you don't get anything and CSR says no refunds. Way to run a business, PW. It's not a scam, right? :rolleyes:
Surprise surprise, devs response to a simple request to move lobi from one of my toons to another cant be done. No explanation given, No information other than it cant be done.
So that's great, I create a toon so I can properly spec out, i transfer my wells class to it, begin levelling up the toon, yet can't fully outfit it with the 700 lobi ive got because it's on another toon.
Cryptic sort it out for christ sake and do your players some common courtesy.
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Probably, it can't be done not for technical reasons but for economic ones. Other items are character-bound, too. It's done for a reason and not arbitrary, whether players like it or not.
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True, it is what I can only expect from cryptic I suppose. That in itself answers my questions in volumes...
yes but how many people compared to the whole playerbase is going to cough up that much money to buy one?
CBS want them to be rare. they dont care how that rarity is achieved.
My thread of Lock box results and my(as well as others) estimates of odds was sent to "Ten Forward" even before the release on Thursday -I find ten forward to be sort of the back of the bus section.
Still it has gotten almost 12,000 views now so I am quite happy that a lot of people can see what they can expect from these boxes.
Cryptic is just playing by PWE the rule book. Its a F2P game now and the Lobi store and "rare" ships is how they make money.
Also wasn't there some stat that said the average F2P person spent something like 50 Cents a month on the game? It would be hard to keep your game afloat if you went from all your players paying 15 bucks a month to 50 cents. You've got to make up that gap some where.
Also we know the forum is "small part of the player base" so if only a tiny part of the forum base spends $100+ on keys I would consider them still rare.
CBS I bet is more happy, they make a ton of cash on lockboxes as well and keep the ships rare. Why does everyone always think CBS is on the side of the player? CBS wants to make as much money on the Trek IP as possible.
Sadly, even though I own every Fed and fluff thing I want from the C-Store I'm part of the 80/90%. Everything I buy comes from Zen earned via the Dilithium Exchange. Cryptic hasn't gotten any money out of me since January. I'm a leech...
Thats only assuming your playerbase stays the same. Most F2P games have several times the playerbase as they did previously. Of course, the goal of F2P isnt simply to increase your playerbase, but more importantly to increase your revenue. So the point of what you are saying is still correct.
Meh, you're helping folks get Dilithium and in a way that kinda helps cryptic. The Zen you spend would have had to be spent anyway. You just helped someone avoid a grind, and in a way helping make this game less "grindy" even if costs someone money is a good way to prevent player burn out.
Of course you know the way to make is less grindy, but most folks don't have the game knowledge or number of toons to generate mass amounts of Dilithium.
A time ship should have additional abilities other than a 13 second rewind if you will. The first thing is the KDF one does not have a cloak and what kind of battle ship that is in appearance and for all justice to be given should have a cloaking device.
Also some have stated some facts which were mere statements of having absolutely no knowledge of the KDF but really I understand what they are trying to say. They are more concerned about PvP although they won't come out and say it so I have a few ideas that can please everyone.
The first thing is without adding anything to the ships themselves I have come up with an idea for 2 additional consoles that could be added to the lobi store.
First one is a Temporal Shield which in terms of tech... make this console a copy of the Kar'fi console and slap the name Temporal Shield on it and make it a shield instead of a console. Although I play the KDF and love any uniqueness we have left the easy decision would be just to do these with proc on the shields to have a proc chance of putting the time ship out of phase for the little feddies.
The second thing is either a temporal cloaking device either standard or battle cloak style which I would assume by the 29th or 31st century Klingon technology would be further enough ahead to have battle cloaks on larger ships
Anyways it solves the problem I have with it... Gives both factions something more out of the lobi store and supports the game so I figure if it can be done it will be done
Nah; you increase demand for Zen, which causes the price to rise, which causes more people to buy Zen to sell for Dil. Cryptic makes money because of you; I'm sure they're happy.
So what you are saying is I am one of Cryptic's hard working employees
Eh they have some good uses... One i know that benefits toons that if you set up their traits on melee damage or if there is a trait that was required like that getting that blue vorta melee one stack that up would make a killer melee doff setup from doing those.
I'm sure thats not the only really good setup you can pull out from using them but the only really good one I've seen so far. If you don't care for doffs it prolly be better to get something for them tho
Melee DOff?
Is this like the Security ones from the old DOff packs that boost crit?
I have 3 of those and something like 75% crit on melee.
Right now, my other two ground DOffs are nurses because I eat hypos like crazy but I could use another 2 ground melee DOffs if there's a new kind.
That last statement is correct in more ways than one. The game is no longer alt friendly. So by extension, since the new content is so light it also means that player retention isn't evne given lip service anymore. Its the real reason why players are made to level so fast, so they can start spending right away. And now the best shinies are locked behind a lockbox. The Lobi store is the new C-store.
Ideally we'd all be churn players that spend way to much then leave to be replaced by new players. Honestly, I worry about the game's future at the rate they're going. They're so aggressive about making the hard sale that I don't see it lasting as long as it should. It'll make more money though.
Edit: I should have clarified, the game isn't alt friendly in the way that you can get several highly geared alts with all the best store gear.
Temporal Lock Boxes Opened To date ( 103 ) out of 103 )
Grand Total
03 - Mirro Universe Deep Space Science Vessel
01 - Mirro Reconnaissnce Science Vessel
583 - Lobi Crystals
16 - Polerized Disrupter Weapons Pack
27 - Standard Dutty Officer Mini Packs
19 - Gamma Quadrant DOFF Mimi Packs
07 - Temporal Dutty Officers
13 - Temperal Beacon Storage Device
08 - 5k Fleet Credit Bonus Pools
04 - 100 Fleet Marks Bonus Pools
1. 7 Lobi Crystals
Temperal Beacon Storage Device
2. Stardard Duty Officer Mini-pack
5 Lobi Crystals
3. 4 LC
Temperal Beacon Storage Device
4. same as Box #2
5. 5 LC
5k Fleet Credit Bonus Pool
6. 4 LC
Polerized Disrupter Weapons Pack
7. 4 LC
Mirro Universe Deep Space Science Vessel
8. 4LC
Stadard DOFF Mini-pack
9. 5 LC
Gamma Qadrant DOFF Mini-Pack
10. 7LC
Gamma Doff Mini-Pack
11. same as Box #2
12. 4LC
Gamma Doffs pack
13. Standard Doff pack + 4 LC
14. Standard Doff pack + 5 LC
15. 4 LC + Temporal DOFF
16. 4LC
Stadard DOFF Mini-pack
17. 4 LC
Polerized Disrupter Weapons Pack
18. 7 LC + Temperal Beacon Storage Device
19. 4 LC
Polerized Disrupter Weapons Pack
20. 5 LC
5k Fleet Credit Bonus Pool
21. 5 LC and Standard Doff Pack Mini
22. 10 LC and Standard DOFF Pack Mini
23. 4 LC + Standard MINI-DOFF
24. 5 LC + 100 Fleet Mark Pool
25. 4 LC + 100 Fleet Mark Pool
26. 5 LC + Temperal Beacon Storage Device
27. 5 LC
Polerized Disrupter Weapons Pack
28. 10 LC + 5k Fleet Credit Bonus
29. 4 LC + Gamma DOFF Min-pack
30. 4 LC
Polerized Disrupter Weapons Pack
31. 5 LC + Standard Doff Pack Mini
32. 4 LC + Standard Doff Pack Mini
33. 4 LC + Standard Doff Pack Mini
34. 4 LC + Temperal Beacon Storage Device
35. 4 LC + 5k Fleet Credit Bonus Pool
36. 5 LC
Polerized Disrupter Weapons Pack
37. 5 LC
Polerized Disrupter Weapons Pack
38. 7LC + Mirro Universe Deep Space Science Vessel
39. 4 LC + 100 Fleet Mark Bonus
40. 5 LC + Standard Mini-Doff
41. 25 LC + 5K Fleet Credit Bonus
42. 4 LC + Polerized Disrupter Weapons Pack
43. 5 LC + Gamma Doff Pack Mini
44. 4 LC + Standard DOFF Pack Mini
45. 4 LC + Temporal DOFF
46. 4 LC + Gamma DOFF MINI Pack
47. 4 LC + Gamma DOFF MINI Pack
48. 4 LC + Standard DOFF MINi Pack
49. 4 LC + Standard DOFF MINi Pack
50. 4 LC + Gamma DOFF MIMI Pack
51. 10 LC + Standard Doff MINI Pack
52. 4 LC + Temperal Beacon Storage Device
53. 4 LC + Standard DOFF MINi Pack
54. 7 LC + Temporal DOFF
55. 7 LC + Temperal Beacon Storage Device
56. 7 LC + Polerized Disrupter Weapons Pack
57. 7 LC + Temporal DOFF
58. 4 LC + Gamma DOFF mini Pack
59. 4 LC + Polerized Disrupter Weapons Pack
60. 4 LC + Gamma DOFF mimi Pack
61. 4 LC + Standard DOFF MINi Pac
62. 4 LC + 100 Fleet Mark Bonus Pool
63. 25 LC + Gamma DOFF Mimi Pack
64. 4 LC + 5k Fleet Credit Bonus Pool
65. 4 LC + Standard Doff Pack MiNi
66. 4 LC + Temperal Beacon Storage Device
67. 4 LC + 5k Fleet Credit Bonus Pool
68. 5 LC + Standard DOFF Pack mini
69. 7 LC + Polerized Disrupter Weapons Pack
70. Data lost in a Temporal Rifft... ( I missed a box's data somewhere >_>" )
71. 4 LC + Temporal Duty Officer
72. 4LC + Temporal Duty Officer
73. 4LC + Standard Duty Officer mini pack
74. 4 LC + Gamma Mini-pack
75. 4 LC + Mirro Universe Deep Space Science Vessel
76. 5 LC + Gamam Mini- pack
77. 5 LC + Gamma Mini Pack
78. 5 LC + Gamma Mini Pack
79. 4 LC + Temperal Beacon Storage Device
80. 4 LC + Mirro Reconnaissnce Science Vessel
81. 4 LC + Polerized Disrupter Weapons Pack
82. 4LC + Standard Duty Officer mini pack
83. 5LC + Polerized Disrupter Weapons Pack
84. 5LC + Temperal Beacon Storage Device
85. 5LC + Temperal Beacon Storage Device
86. 5LC + Temperal Beacon Storage Device
87. 5 LC + Standard DOFF Pack mini
88. 4LC + Standard Duty Officer mini pack
89. 4 LC + Polerized Disrupter Weapons Pack
90. 4 LC + 5k Fleet Credit Bonus
91. 7 LC + Temporal DOff
92. 7 LC + Gamma Mini Pack
93. 4 LC + Polerized Disrupter Weapons Pack
94. 4 LC + Polerized Disrupter Weapons Pack
95. 5 LC + Standard Duty Officer mini pack
96. 4 LC + Gamma Mini-pack
97. 4 LC + Polerized Disrupter Weapons Pack
98. 5LC + Temperal Beacon Storage Device
99. 4 LC + Gamma Mini-pack
100. 50 LC + Standar Doff Mini
101. 7 LC + Gamma
102. 4 LC + Gamma
103. 5 LC + Standard
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I just gotta say the Time Traveler Jumpsuit looks awesome. Its a shirt, pants and boots. Of course its just too bad its not an account unlock.
Two things about it:
It looks like a suit made out of yarn when people color it. I appreciate the customization options being there but, yowza. Could be funny on a Caitian, I guess.
It does great with the Seven of Nine short boots. I never stopped to think how allthose lines would look on the female form. Again, yowza, I say.
notice my post on the last page... I'm nuts. but I've been begging for the Capt. Braxton " Relativity " Uniform from day one of beta, and now I'm just waiting for them to put in to, It can't be to far off it was shown in the Lock Box Spotlight Video ( of course for only second at the very end ) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3277960/29th%20Century%20Unifom.jpg
The Crewman Daniels Temporal Jumpsuit is alright but it's out of place in this lock box, it's as who ever put the box together didn't do their homework, and had finished the daniels before someone noticed his error...
There is no reason in my mind that would be a valid reason why they wouldn't have the Braxton uniform in with this run, you have the Wells, you have the "Relativity" weapons and they even went as far as to make the Relativity Bridge...
My biggest question is, Why is the Daniels Jumpsuit in here. wouldn't Cryptic want to save this for say a " Temporal Cold War Lock Box " where the big carrot in the box is the Enterprise-J...
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This will never, never, never, never, never, NEVER EVER happen.
Not only would there be no way Cryptic could justify putting it ingame, allowing players to pilot a ship bigger than spacedock would cause the whole GFX engine to melt.
It could be possible they wanted the 29th century suit for the lobi store but didn't have it working right. Its a Fed costume so that means it has to work with all the Fed parts of other costumes. I figure that takes some time to work out. In the promo its just the vanilla version of the costume and that could be working but the 100+ variants players would make may not be working. And that's why it flagged to be in the Lobi store later.
The Time Jumpsuit has less compatible parts so it maybe have been easier to make.
good point, but that's never stopped them... just make it the size of one of those V'Ger Borg Command Ships. wouldn't be the first time that they got the scale wrong on something.
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I fully understand this, but the time used to develope the jump suit could of been used to give the 29th Century uniforms a good spit shine. I wonder if the got the ranks above capt. right (according to Extended Universe ) http://stexpanded.wikia.com/wiki/Starfleet_uniform_(29th_century) and in the video it looks as if we've got an Operations officer leading the away team, with two command officers observing... so maybe a temporal Agent Training mission or something... but I'm getting off topic
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I suppose they could have the Enterprise-J as an accessible hub but that strikes me as a totally different kind of prize.
You know, Temporal Transwarp on a 10 minute cooldown. Lets you visit the J from your location and do your crafting, exchange, banking, etc. from there and then go back to where you were?
But I see that as a Lobi store item. Probably around 200. And would probably need something special like a vendor who sells certain items there like the future phasers for dilithium.
Expanded Universe is a fan fiction wiki. Cryptic might have gone that route with higher ranks and might not. I wouldn't suggest they start adhering to fan fiction though as it has legal issues.
More polish is nice but the uniforms in the video looked right to me. Maybe could stand another pass for detailing. And they DID delay the uniforms.
Also, I generally take issue with fan uniform colorings AND with Cryptic uniform colorings.
Fan colorings of STO uniforms tend to be designed based on limited lighting examination, colors faded by washing on screen, and heavily influenced by fanon. (Such as the lighter grey First Contact uniforms for post-Nemesis novels.)
Cryptic colors tend to be more accurate in more lighting (and why I always find an NPC wearing the uniform I want to compare to). Cryptic uses black-clack instead of blue-grey black for uniforms and its command red is third back from the most vivid, not sixth or eighth from the left as most fan sources use.
However, Cryptic's palette they supply for players is missing the right shades of green for uniforms with green in them.
It's is missing an option for berry red (which is most Trek command uniforms). (Although Cryptic has the right level of lightness/brightness. Fans tend to go darker to simulate the berry color. It should be brighter like Cryptic's but tinted Berry.)
The biggest frustration I have is that things like rank pips tend to be yellow gold or silver gold in STO. They put a slight yellow tint on it which probably means silver gold is correct (and what Cryptic uses for canon TNG era uniforms the limited times they appear.) But there really should be a third set of four colors representing white gold. Only Insurrection pips should be dark grey (and they differ from DS9/Voyager likely because Picard's pips were supposed to look dramatic when he took them off) and only TOS and WoK insignia should be full on bronze/yellow gold. There is an essential "white gold" color that's missing and it causes fan costume reconstructions in STO to schizophrenically alternate between silver and gold pips.
While I'm on a suggestion/rant, I think faces need love. Particularly:
- More hairstyles.
- Addition of two scar/tattoo slots. (I was looking at this and was surprised how many of the scars are canon. I tend to forget scars except when looking at an actor but Dukat flat out has three scars/blemishes. And all three are in the character creator. And of those three, only one is part of Marc Alaimo's face. In general, characters in Trek had more scars/blemishes than I remembered.) A lot of canon non-human characters had 2-3 scars as part of their makeup.
- More eye nose combinations. (At the least, "casucasian" eyes with a round nose and "asian" eyes with a sharp nose. Incidentally, Avery Brooks has the former while Patrick Stewart has the latter.)
- Non-movable scar-like details for the face. This would help differentiate Cardassians, Ferengi, etc. Just extra layers with things like a cheek definition texture, optional chin clefts, laugh lines without having to use a fully aged face.
- Body bulk slider like the Gorn have for other species. Let the Pakleds be fat. Let humans have ponch. Let Klingons have a blood wine belly.
Do this and people won't look like an inbred family reunion on DS9. Everybody looks too young and perfect as it is. (The only other realistic option being old and emaciated.)
I hear you, and I agree, I've taken on this stance when it comes to extended and expanded universe content, mostly because Doctor Who and the many years it was off the air...
I dislike "canon" in a narrow sense of the word being only what was seen in a TV show or movie, canon isn't the same as continuity, canon is the standard of something... Both Doctor Who and Star Trek have a standard of being fantastic sci-fi stories.
so my stance is this... So long as it's A. officially licensed (quick edit: approved by) or commissioned by the rights holders, and B. It's an entertaining story... Fan Fic, have it's place, some are really good stories, and a lot of Trek (and doctor who ) Writers started off as fan fic writers, and sometimes, not often but some times are picked up by the parent IP
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I just spent $30 of keys I was just given for a present and with that $30 of worthless DOFF Packs. :rolleyes:
I could've bought a couple of C-store ships for this amount. Boy do I look stupid, believing that I could end up with something good. What's even more is that there is a confirmed bug with the Temporal missions where you don't get anything and CSR says no refunds. Way to run a business, PW. It's not a scam, right? :rolleyes:
So that's great, I create a toon so I can properly spec out, i transfer my wells class to it, begin levelling up the toon, yet can't fully outfit it with the 700 lobi ive got because it's on another toon.
Cryptic sort it out for christ sake and do your players some common courtesy.
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