If the leech is booted then why would the other player boot others if they are taking part it makes no sense and as i say it needs four to boot you would need another player to join the STF you are playing to do this and boot another player
Once again, I see far more packs of elitists in estf's railing on newbs than I do the rare occasional leecher. So, if you think I am going to be in favor of giving elitist trolls vote kicks options, you must be on some really good $h17.
Then the four from a small fleet are not fairplay players but like i say the object of the STF is to gain the optional and finish in the time provided so it would be counter productive and a lot harder to get the optional if that is what happens,i don't see others booting for fun when their all getting stuck inn and pulling their weight in the STF
I don't have a go at newbs, and once again i'am talking about long time players that have kitted out ships and know what they are doing tekehd and can't be bothered to take part
We are talking about STF elite players that sit there and don't fight so this newb thing has no weight cos we are not talking about them lol WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT N E W B S
I don't have a go at newbs, and once again i'am talking about long time players that have kitted out ships and know what they are doing tekehd and can't be bothered to take part
A vote kick button at the hand of 4 people won't differentiate between the two.... it's a button. I frankly couldn't care less about the people you are talking about. Your problem is your system cannot be implimented to only target those people as it puts the decisions in the hands of players who can use that button for whatever they like.
( big 178 page thread already, been around for many many weekends, hard to miss it )
you'd be wise to move your discussion there....because it's going to get moved there regardless....and you might avoid the infraction for trolling and duplicate thread creation.
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We are talking about STF elite players that sit there and don't fight so this newb thing has no weight cos we are not talking about them lol WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT N E W B S
No, you're not talking about them... you're ignoring the potential effect on them by such a system in the hands of players in order to push such. A system planned on lack of foresight and concern with other issues it would cause is pretty much why every time someone like you brings it up the majority here go "not no but HELL no".
lol i know you don't CARE a LESS tekehd that is so obvious but frankly your playing to something plainly wouldn't not happen lol
I bet your one of those players that have a fleet and keep ever other player down ( plainly selfish ) NO TRUST IN OTHERS and for some reason going out of your way to make sure panic on the issue,i don't see eye to eye with what you have to say cos why would people abuse this option when poeple have common sense which clearly you don't have lol
....I bet your one of those players that have a fleet and keep ever other player down ( plainly selfish ) NO TRUST IN OTHERS and for some reason going out of your way to make sure panic on the issue,i don't see eye to eye with what you have to say cos why would people abuse this option when poeple have common sense which clearly you don't have lol
^ clarifies my suspicion that this is indeed just a troll thread to start flame wars.
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lol i know you don't CARE a LESS tekehd that is so obvious but frankly your playing to something plainly wouldn't not happen lol
I bet your one of those players that have a fleet and keep ever other player down ( plainly selfish ) NO TRUST IN OTHERS and for some reason going out of your way to make sure panic on the issue,i don't see eye to eye with what you have to say cos why would people abuse this option when poeple have common sense which clearly you don't have lol
Actiually, no. we invite people, and I keep one of my toons (a fed eng) in a fleet whose whole purpose is helping out newer players.
People would abuse this options because people are *******s..... I can stomach a leecher easier than a new player getting booted and suffering leavers penalties simply because elitist punks are too busy with their grind than to help others.
Look it is clearly evident when someone is not taking part in STF'S all the players can see that,surly the game will detect whether a player is active or not and if so boot cannot be activated so HOW can it be ABUSED? drrrrr!
A newb is different from a leech a leech just sits there as a newb gets playing that's the difference so why kick a newb if there playing,this clearly is you mixing the two to stop common sense producing fair play and better play
Look it is clearly evident when someone is not taking part in STF'S all the players can see that,surly the game will detect whether a player is active or not and if so no boot cannot be activated so HOW can it be ABUSED? drrrrr!
There is no system in place to detect active players.... there's no system in place that can tell what active player means, there's not been a completely reliable system posed which can define what active means.... so if your system relies on that, it's not going to be any better. As one issue that has arrised with defining active could potentially be thwared with scripts leechers many time run, chances are a syste whic hrelies on it would have little impact.
A newb is different from a leech a leech just sits there as a newb gets playing that's the difference so why kick a newb if there playing,this clearly is you mixing the two to stop common sense producing fair play and better play
Why kick a newb if they are playing? You're asking the wrong person... I personally see no reason to kick them... the packs of elitist thugs who will rail on newbs on every small error they make are the ones you would need to ask.
You tar all with same the brush i have helped newbs before and will do again! if someone is taking part and surely fighting why would anybody just kick that person from the STF?
This abuse thing you shout from the roof tops is a bias and partial attitude!
You tar all with same the brush i have helped newbs before and will do again! if someone is taking part and surely fighting why would anybody just kick that person from the STF?
This abuse thing you shout from the roof tops is a bias and partial attitude!
I don't tar everyone with the same brush, there are different people on here some leech, some newbs, some elitists some thugs.... that being said, I'm not about to support a system to get rid of one that can be used to abuse another. IF there is any solution for this is must be surgical..... and I've yet to see a solution for it that is.
One would think that after "Six Months" of asking and being Completely Ignored by Cryptic, one would get the hint...
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I didn't ask for you support tekehd which you repeatedly keep pushing and i'am glad your not but this has raised a discussion that STO has to sort and if they want can consider how to implement which I'am sure and confident they could do and even sort (this) abuse you claim will happen to kick leeches and at the same time be fair to others if that makes you happy which i presume might not!
Haven't seen many leeches in stf but maybe I am lucky. We did have a leeches in azure and he cost us 10 marks. Of course I reported him. After the failed group in vault I was pissed off and queued for PvP to vent my anger.
I agree that a kick option is needed like most other MMOs. However, it needs to be balanced. Have a 1 hour CD so you can't spam it and disable it if you queue with a group. It is not going to be perfect but ignoring afk abuse is silly and frustrating too.
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I'am not insulting if they insulting me too nabreeki i'am standing my ground and it begges belief that your allowing leeches to turning their face just to laugh at all that let them get away with what they do,newbs in my mind are not the problem and if any players treats them wrong by harping on or if the kick icon is given then kicks them don't deserve to play the game,like i said its a bit of an over statement to suggest that all players will abuse this ability and also make out a mass free for all boot frenzy.
Utter nonsense!
It's a known issue with a known solution - ANY solution to deal with leechers is inevitably worse than the problem itself.
* A time gated auto-kick is a no-go as some STFs can be finished <5 mins;
* An inactive auto-kick (get kicked if not moving) will be dealt with by simply moving fwd and backward a meter;
* A vote-kick is just another tool for idiots to be abused.
* Can't (auto) kick a player if all he does is fly around and not shoot.
Best solutions: don't PUG - Cryptic invented fleets for a reason. Join EliteSTF channel for serious players.
Warp out and restart your Pug STF; it may be annoying, but it's less annoying than having a leecher.
Also, sometimes players are AFK in STFs because Real Life butts in. It's hard to tell.
Here's an idea, observe the overall team peformance by whatever metrics Cryptic can come up with (not that hard), then add rewards (marks/loot/dillithium) based on the percentage performance according to that criteria. If the leecher got 0 to X% (set by cryptic) out of the global team performance, guess what, the rewards go to the rest of the team.
What I mean is if he has dealt no damage/healing on others (self shouldn't count for obvious reasons) he shouldn't get loot popups, or any other reward, evenly distributed by his teammates.
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Once again, I see far more packs of elitists in estf's railing on newbs than I do the rare occasional leecher. So, if you think I am going to be in favor of giving elitist trolls vote kicks options, you must be on some really good $h17.
A vote kick button at the hand of 4 people won't differentiate between the two.... it's a button. I frankly couldn't care less about the people you are talking about. Your problem is your system cannot be implimented to only target those people as it puts the decisions in the hands of players who can use that button for whatever they like.
Duplicate thread is duplicate thread.
( big 178 page thread already, been around for many many weekends, hard to miss it )
you'd be wise to move your discussion there....because it's going to get moved there regardless....and you might avoid the infraction for trolling and duplicate thread creation.
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No, you're not talking about them... you're ignoring the potential effect on them by such a system in the hands of players in order to push such. A system planned on lack of foresight and concern with other issues it would cause is pretty much why every time someone like you brings it up the majority here go "not no but HELL no".
I bet your one of those players that have a fleet and keep ever other player down ( plainly selfish ) NO TRUST IN OTHERS and for some reason going out of your way to make sure panic on the issue,i don't see eye to eye with what you have to say cos why would people abuse this option when poeple have common sense which clearly you don't have lol
^ clarifies my suspicion that this is indeed just a troll thread to start flame wars.
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refer to post #35
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Doing wonders for my post count, might break 900 not that it means anything.:D
Because like you just said, not everyone has common sense and therefore a system that is open to abuse can be abused.
Actiually, no. we invite people, and I keep one of my toons (a fed eng) in a fleet whose whole purpose is helping out newer players.
People would abuse this options because people are *******s..... I can stomach a leecher easier than a new player getting booted and suffering leavers penalties simply because elitist punks are too busy with their grind than to help others.
There is no system in place to detect active players.... there's no system in place that can tell what active player means, there's not been a completely reliable system posed which can define what active means.... so if your system relies on that, it's not going to be any better. As one issue that has arrised with defining active could potentially be thwared with scripts leechers many time run, chances are a syste whic hrelies on it would have little impact.
Why kick a newb if they are playing? You're asking the wrong person... I personally see no reason to kick them... the packs of elitist thugs who will rail on newbs on every small error they make are the ones you would need to ask.
This abuse thing you shout from the roof tops is a bias and partial attitude!
I don't tar everyone with the same brush, there are different people on here some leech, some newbs, some elitists some thugs.... that being said, I'm not about to support a system to get rid of one that can be used to abuse another. IF there is any solution for this is must be surgical..... and I've yet to see a solution for it that is.
I play between 6-10 (e)stf's per day usually...... amongst those I may see two or three leechers a week.
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I agree that a kick option is needed like most other MMOs. However, it needs to be balanced. Have a 1 hour CD so you can't spam it and disable it if you queue with a group. It is not going to be perfect but ignoring afk abuse is silly and frustrating too.
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Utter nonsense!
Here's an idea, observe the overall team peformance by whatever metrics Cryptic can come up with (not that hard), then add rewards (marks/loot/dillithium) based on the percentage performance according to that criteria. If the leecher got 0 to X% (set by cryptic) out of the global team performance, guess what, the rewards go to the rest of the team.
What I mean is if he has dealt no damage/healing on others (self shouldn't count for obvious reasons) he shouldn't get loot popups, or any other reward, evenly distributed by his teammates.
As wrwf is making we are looking for alternatives or solutions