Gear can be overcome. A ship having flat out better shield modifiers, agility, impulse speed pivot point, and console slots not so much, if both pilots are equal.
The difference between X and XII while it is noticeable is far from insurmountable. Their dps out puts, crit ranges, weapon properties are all still relatively comparable.
The bug on the other hand, is so vastly superior that there is literally no flight moves, you can pull on a bug that he can't simply counter, his time on target unless he's Trash will be superior to your own, and his ships superior durability and twin universals gives him far more tactical options than you have in any other given ship.
The only ship that stands a chance at getting a Draw is an mvam in a duel with a bug. And that's if he has 3 field generators cranking and Beta Command. Then if the mvam dies, he's flat out out classed in every way to the bug.
Quite simply put, the other guy in the fight will be pulling every move he has in his arsenal to get more time on target against the bug, more disables to render it more defensless, while the bug pilot on the other hand can be virtually asleep at the wheel, unless he is Trash.
Now if you think that's a good thing, and that it's okay to get victory just because you opened your wallet, I can see why you play this game. Cause you probably couldn't hack it in other games.
In your opinion.
I have a bug and I would equate the advantage to that of having better equipment. For example, the performance gained from going FE to JHAS is less than the improvement I saw from moving to 4xDHC from 3xDHC and a DBB. I gained more performance from upgrading my weapons from mk X to XII than I got from moving to the bug. Gained more moving to seperate fire keys than from moving to bug. Gained more from keybinding buffs than from moving to bug. You get the picture.
Again, all from experience, not hearsay and green syndrome suspicion mongering, like some of what's stated as fact in this thread.
And I didn't open jack to get mine, I ground my balls off in game to buy it off the exchange so keep those snide comments to yourself, thanks very much.
In your opinion.
I have a bug and I would equate the advantage to that of having better equipment. For example, the performance gained from going FE to JHAS is less than the improvement I saw from moving to 4xDHC from 3xDHC and a DBB. I gained more performance from upgrading my weapons from mk X to XII than I got from moving to the bug. Gained more moving to seperate fire keys than from moving to bug. Gained more from keybinding buffs than from moving to bug. You get the picture.
Again, all from experience, not hearsay and green syndrome suspicion mongering, like some of what's stated as fact in this thread.
And I didn't open jack to get mine, I ground my balls off in game to buy it off the exchange so keep those snide comments to yourself, thanks very much.
Oh please. I've driven the Fleet Escort, it's no where in the league of the AE, or Mvam. The bug is worlds beyond both of those.
Shooting at slow and untalented targets no you won't notice any differences. Because most people are poppable in this game by Overload carrying Shuttles. Against Real Talent on the other hand, the bugs advantages are flat out undeniable.
Tell me champ, what does the mvam have over the bug? It's not Shields, because if the mvam eats 3 consoles it only Equals shields. It's not hull points, because it loses hull, and ontop of that has less base hull to start with. It's not Speed, because the bug has better impulse mods, it's not turn rate because guess what again? it has better. Don't even get me started on the poor Defiant. Because it is flat out out classed even worse than the poor Mvam and AE.
It's not eng consoles. because it probably ate both of them up, for Command and Borg in order to get the shield consoles up to snuff. Oh.. and you have more eng consoles than the mvam and ae anyway. Oops.
It sure as hell ain't boff layout, since ltcmdr sci is The Suck, and the bop has 2 lt unis.
Please, tell me why it's okay to completely and utterly relegate T5 ships into being Useless. Because you own one? It's magically okay or good game design?
If you win because you are a stronger and more muscular athlete (Mk XII weapons) nobody criticize you, but if you take performance-enhancing drugs (the Bug)...;)
And well, Travelingmaster...I add you to the list of the best of the best...:)
I wouldn't call myself amongst the best of the best, 'cause I'm sure the likes of Zirac, Minimax, Minitrickin (Master Yoda), and whatnot can outperform me. Maybe I'm in the top 20% percentile, when it comes to escorts/BoPs.
My PvP toon is Krov, of The House of Snoo. Beware of my Hegh'ta of doom.
I hate to tell you this kiddo, but you aren't nearly as good as you think you are.
I'll even prove it.
Go grab a shuttle. You want to beat someone on pure skill? Step up son.
There's only one person here making any sort of claim to a particular level of skill and that's you.
I'm perfectly confident in my own level of skill, without resorting to challenges with people calling my kiddo. Come back to me when your level of maturity is more appropriate for your claimed level of skill.
There's only one person here making any sort of claim to a particular level of skill and that's you.
I'm perfectly confident in my own level of skill, without resorting to challenges with people calling my kiddo. Come back to me when your level of maturity is more appropriate for your claimed level of skill.
Aww how cute.
Tell me did your mother tell you that line?
You got no talent, if you don't think the bug is an abomination. Fun fact, little one. I kill bugs in arenas, regularly when I play. Because most of them can't use what the ship has. Because they can't even use the full power of the previous Escorts.
And you certainly are one of them danny boy.
Knowing the bug is out right better is just a matter of looking at it's stats across the board and comparing them to everything else. If you can't do that, impartially you certainly aren't an elite player.
I can't really comment on any of the rest of your post, because it's really two different ways of saying 'you're a no-talent hack'.
If you'll forgive my ignorance, I have no idea who you are, so you'll also forgive me if your opinion of me doesn't weigh heavily on my shoulders.
Knowing the bug is out right better is just a matter of looking at it's stats across the board and comparing them to everything else. If you can't do that, impartially you certainly aren't an elite player
Of course it's better you mong. But a MACO shield is better than a MK XI covariant too. A Mk XII is better than a MkX etc
I can't really comment on any of the rest of your post, because it's really two different ways of saying 'you're a no-talent hack'.
If you'll forgive my ignorance, I have no idea who you are, so you'll also forgive me if your opinion of me doesn't weigh heavily on my shoulders.
Oh you know who I am. You just don't know this handle
Of course it's better you mong. But a MACO shield is better than a MK XI covariant too. A Mk XII is better than a MkX etc
It's a T6 ship, in a T5 ship otherwise game.
It's not a gear upgrade, it's a whole new level of ship. Sure I've killed people in T4s that were flying T5s. But, against people that have Talent? Realistically your chances aren't that good.
What you mean is more like T5.5... Very like... Fleet ships. T6 would have more boff slots.
It's not a gear upgrade, it's a whole new level of ship. Sure I've killed people in T4s that were flying T5s. But, against people that have Talent? Realistically your chances aren't that good.
I've been playing long enough to know exactly how good my chances are in most encounters. Realistically.
The only reason it doesn't is because the ability trays are largely full now.
NOT TRUE! they added the side ability try that can hold up to 18 (or 20) more bo powers/ability powers. so even if you took a ship and gave it 10 p2w ability consoles in addition to all your bo and captain powers, youd still have space for more buttons!
Yeah, coming from a guy that thinks the bop is OP who doesn't 5v5. Yeah your opinion? LOL
I have forgotten more about this game's pvp than you will ever know chump.
Watch your language, keep this conversation to a civil manner.
I never said BoP was overpowered, even once. You'd struggle proving that statement.
I don't 5v5, I 1v5. The difference between me and you, is, I don't rely on others to PvP, I rely on myself. I can hardly see the logic in "Yeah you suck at PvP because you don't have a team member healing you." Do you? If so, then I think you should certainly reconsider your position.
Watch your language, keep this conversation to a civil manner.
I never said BoP was overpowered, even once. You'd struggle proving that statement.
I don't 5v5, I 1v5. The difference between me and you, is, I don't rely on others to PvP, I rely on myself. I can hardly see the logic in "Yeah you suck at PvP because you don't have a team member healing you." Do you? If so, then I think you should certainly reconsider your position.
Also, I am no guy~
You seem to think the BOP is some how viable compared to any other ship in STO. Infact you think battlecloak is so amazing that it magically overcomes the ships shortcomings among other things.
So you're a social shut in, that can't make friends even on the internet and can't play well with others, making you the target of /facerolls the world over.
You aren't even capable of seeing how going from a 30 turn rate to a 60 and gaining both dps and durability is of benefit in combat. And you seriously expect anyone to take you seriously?
You suck at pvp, because you can't play well in a team. This isn't pug call of duty. If you ever played a game like MWO you'd be that moron in the atlas rushing out beyond the support of his team and getting mercilessly gunned down every game.
Also do you really think I care about your gender?
You seem to think the BOP is some how viable compared to any other ship in STO. Infact you think battlecloak is so amazing that it magically overcomes the ships shortcomings among other things.
So you're a social shut in, that can't make friends even on the internet and can't play well with others, making you the target of /facerolls the world over.
You aren't even capable of seeing how going from a 30 turn rate to a 60 and gaining both dps and durability is of benefit in combat. And you seriously expect anyone to take you seriously?
You suck at pvp, because you can't play well in a team. This isn't pug call of duty. If you ever played a game like MWO you'd be that moron in the atlas rushing out beyond the support of his team and getting mercilessly gunned down every game.
Also do you really think I care about your gender?
Anyone who has bothered to read any of your posts might of noticed your overwhelming hostility towards those that disagree with you. I recommend taking a step back, avoiding exaggerated statements, and going about this at a logical and common sense approach rather than an emotional one.
Also, you don't need to care about my gender, you just need not acknowledge it at all. That way I don't have to correct you when you say something wrong.
the Jemmy is a marvel. nuff said. It is the best escort in game. It can tank better than half the captains in game who pilot a cruiser. Dish DPS like a killer... Those are a deadly combo...
The Average PvP player
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
1) Teamwork and timing is #1
2) You cannot "Kirk It" in every ship
3) You are going to die, just get back up
the Jemmy is a marvel. nuff said. It is the best escort in game. It can tank better than half the captains in game who pilot a cruiser. Dish DPS like a killer... Those are a deadly combo...
I have just about all the escorts in the game and most of all the other ships. They all have endearing qualities and some not so endearing lol. The bug is the one I keep coming back to because it has the grin factor, it's freaking awesome and I think a lot of the hostility towards it is from people that are just jealous. If they were sent one in the mail you can be sure they'd go silent pretty quick!
I disagree. Karfi is still a very powerful ship b/c of its pets and not just the siphoners. I have one and once in a blue moon I'll fly it in PvP. But, I usually don't b/c of how rediculous it is. The Jem has been in the same category as far as I'm concerned. They're the phaser procs of escorts.
[Zone] Dack@****: cowards can't take a fed 1 on 1 crinckley cowards Hahahaha you smell like flowers
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
Totally unnecessary remarks, you invalidate your own arguments when you resort to insults.
Furthermore I can personally say that Mewi does not suck at PvP, far from it.
Anyone incapable of seeing how a 60 degree turn rate, with superior durability to a Fleet Escort, and 5 tac consoles is a significant advantage is not good at pvp. Especially when they admit that they can't play in a team.
Comments
I have a bug and I would equate the advantage to that of having better equipment. For example, the performance gained from going FE to JHAS is less than the improvement I saw from moving to 4xDHC from 3xDHC and a DBB. I gained more performance from upgrading my weapons from mk X to XII than I got from moving to the bug. Gained more moving to seperate fire keys than from moving to bug. Gained more from keybinding buffs than from moving to bug. You get the picture.
Again, all from experience, not hearsay and green syndrome suspicion mongering, like some of what's stated as fact in this thread.
And I didn't open jack to get mine, I ground my balls off in game to buy it off the exchange so keep those snide comments to yourself, thanks very much.
Oh please. I've driven the Fleet Escort, it's no where in the league of the AE, or Mvam. The bug is worlds beyond both of those.
Shooting at slow and untalented targets no you won't notice any differences. Because most people are poppable in this game by Overload carrying Shuttles. Against Real Talent on the other hand, the bugs advantages are flat out undeniable.
Tell me champ, what does the mvam have over the bug? It's not Shields, because if the mvam eats 3 consoles it only Equals shields. It's not hull points, because it loses hull, and ontop of that has less base hull to start with. It's not Speed, because the bug has better impulse mods, it's not turn rate because guess what again? it has better. Don't even get me started on the poor Defiant. Because it is flat out out classed even worse than the poor Mvam and AE.
It's not eng consoles. because it probably ate both of them up, for Command and Borg in order to get the shield consoles up to snuff. Oh.. and you have more eng consoles than the mvam and ae anyway. Oops.
It sure as hell ain't boff layout, since ltcmdr sci is The Suck, and the bop has 2 lt unis.
Please, tell me why it's okay to completely and utterly relegate T5 ships into being Useless. Because you own one? It's magically okay or good game design?
You go and keep telling yourself that you only lost to so and so because he has a bug or whatever helps you sleep at night.
kthx champ.
I hate to tell you this kiddo, but you aren't nearly as good as you think you are.
I'll even prove it.
Go grab a shuttle. You want to beat someone on pure skill? Step up son.
I wouldn't call myself amongst the best of the best, 'cause I'm sure the likes of Zirac, Minimax, Minitrickin (Master Yoda), and whatnot can outperform me. Maybe I'm in the top 20% percentile, when it comes to escorts/BoPs.
There's only one person here making any sort of claim to a particular level of skill and that's you.
I'm perfectly confident in my own level of skill, without resorting to challenges with people calling my kiddo. Come back to me when your level of maturity is more appropriate for your claimed level of skill.
Aww how cute.
Tell me did your mother tell you that line?
You got no talent, if you don't think the bug is an abomination. Fun fact, little one. I kill bugs in arenas, regularly when I play. Because most of them can't use what the ship has. Because they can't even use the full power of the previous Escorts.
And you certainly are one of them danny boy.
Knowing the bug is out right better is just a matter of looking at it's stats across the board and comparing them to everything else. If you can't do that, impartially you certainly aren't an elite player.
Show me where I made any claim to the contrary.
I can't really comment on any of the rest of your post, because it's really two different ways of saying 'you're a no-talent hack'.
If you'll forgive my ignorance, I have no idea who you are, so you'll also forgive me if your opinion of me doesn't weigh heavily on my shoulders.
Of course it's better you mong. But a MACO shield is better than a MK XI covariant too. A Mk XII is better than a MkX etc
Oh you know who I am. You just don't know this handle
It's a T6 ship, in a T5 ship otherwise game.
It's not a gear upgrade, it's a whole new level of ship. Sure I've killed people in T4s that were flying T5s. But, against people that have Talent? Realistically your chances aren't that good.
I've been playing long enough to know exactly how good my chances are in most encounters. Realistically.
The only reason it doesn't is because the ability trays are largely full now.
NOT TRUE! they added the side ability try that can hold up to 18 (or 20) more bo powers/ability powers. so even if you took a ship and gave it 10 p2w ability consoles in addition to all your bo and captain powers, youd still have space for more buttons!
Then clearly, you don't know how to PvP in an escort.
| Join Date: January 2009 | Computer | Fleet: Broken Wings |
Yeah, coming from a guy that thinks the bop is OP who doesn't 5v5. Yeah your opinion? LOL
I have forgotten more about this game's pvp than you will ever know chump.
Watch your language, keep this conversation to a civil manner.
I never said BoP was overpowered, even once. You'd struggle proving that statement.
I don't 5v5, I 1v5. The difference between me and you, is, I don't rely on others to PvP, I rely on myself. I can hardly see the logic in "Yeah you suck at PvP because you don't have a team member healing you." Do you? If so, then I think you should certainly reconsider your position.
Also, I am no guy~
| Join Date: January 2009 | Computer | Fleet: Broken Wings |
You seem to think the BOP is some how viable compared to any other ship in STO. Infact you think battlecloak is so amazing that it magically overcomes the ships shortcomings among other things.
So you're a social shut in, that can't make friends even on the internet and can't play well with others, making you the target of /facerolls the world over.
You aren't even capable of seeing how going from a 30 turn rate to a 60 and gaining both dps and durability is of benefit in combat. And you seriously expect anyone to take you seriously?
You suck at pvp, because you can't play well in a team. This isn't pug call of duty. If you ever played a game like MWO you'd be that moron in the atlas rushing out beyond the support of his team and getting mercilessly gunned down every game.
Also do you really think I care about your gender?
Anyone who has bothered to read any of your posts might of noticed your overwhelming hostility towards those that disagree with you. I recommend taking a step back, avoiding exaggerated statements, and going about this at a logical and common sense approach rather than an emotional one.
Also, you don't need to care about my gender, you just need not acknowledge it at all. That way I don't have to correct you when you say something wrong.
~Obviously
| Join Date: January 2009 | Computer | Fleet: Broken Wings |
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
1) Teamwork and timing is #1
2) You cannot "Kirk It" in every ship
3) You are going to die, just get back up
True that.
I disagree. Karfi is still a very powerful ship b/c of its pets and not just the siphoners. I have one and once in a blue moon I'll fly it in PvP. But, I usually don't b/c of how rediculous it is. The Jem has been in the same category as far as I'm concerned. They're the phaser procs of escorts.
Random Quote from Kerrat
"Sumlobus@****: your mums eat Iced Targ Poo"
C&H Fed banter
Truthfully, if f I got one in the mail I'd sell it to some poor unsuspecting slob that really needed it.
Well said sir.
Come on guys, stop attacking eachother. It's really not worth.
Hear! Daughters too.
The blood of battle washes clean.
The Warrior brave and true.
We fight, we love, and then we kill...
Anyone incapable of seeing how a 60 degree turn rate, with superior durability to a Fleet Escort, and 5 tac consoles is a significant advantage is not good at pvp. Especially when they admit that they can't play in a team.