Dude, nobody is complaining about them needing a profit to run the game.
But when you are paying $40 per character for a mount, plus a ton of other stuff in the store that costs $5 (like the various crafting items per character), it's going to get expensive real quick.
And mark my words, it will drive away players when they get to endgame.
They have said several times on the Neverwinter forums that none of the Zen prices are final, they just opened the store up to test it out for the latest beta, but all prices are still under review.
Also, you don't NEED to buy any of the things from it, which is a million times better than a lot of F2P models used by other MMOs. Plus, like STO they have an in game currency which can be earned and traded for Zen in the same manner as Dilithium can be in STO, so if you're willing to put in the time but not the money, then you can buy it all from simply playing the game.
Join date is wrong, I've actually been around since STO Beta.
True alters don't have a "main". Account wide unlocks for all unique event rewards!!
Got to level 30 on my Control Wizard before the servers shut down and was able to choose a paragon path. Unfortunately, it just had the Spellstorm Mage. So I was able to choose another class feature and At-Will power that is a charged ability that creates a lightning storm at your target's location. It did decent AoE damage, but takes a couple of seconds to activate it. So it seems more like an alpha strike ability rather than an At-Will attack.
Anyway, it opens up some interesting changes to each class so while everyone in a class might start off with the same abilities, the gameplay can easily change by choosing different paragon paths.. Hopefully, they have at least 3 paragon paths to choose from for each class when the game launches. Also there is supposed to be Epic Destinies to further differentiate each player, but that is supposed to be level 61-90 according to how the game is set up so it will take at least a couple of years to reach.
Heres something cool... I am still waiting for my beta key ^^
As numerous people have mentioned before in this thread, there is no key for getting access through the lifetime subscription. Just download the client through direct download or bittorrent and wait for two weeks to login with your Perfect World account. The most I have received for information about Neverwinter is an email saying when the beta will be and what is added to the beta which amounts to Control Wizard class, Half-Orc race, and level cap increase to level 40.
They have said several times on the Neverwinter forums that none of the Zen prices are final, they just opened the store up to test it out for the latest beta, but all prices are still under review.
Well EXCUSE me for not reading their forum. I was there for the test weekend as a STO Lifetimer, not a NW Beta Tester.
Also, you don't NEED to buy any of the things from it, which is a million times better than a lot of F2P models used by other MMOs. Plus, like STO they have an in game currency which can be earned and traded for Zen in the same manner as Dilithium can be in STO, so if you're willing to put in the time but not the money, then you can buy it all from simply playing the game.
As numerous people have mentioned before in this thread, there is no key for getting access through the lifetime subscription.
The most I have received for information about Neverwinter is an email saying when the beta will be and what is added to the beta which amounts to Control Wizard class, Half-Orc race, and level cap increase to level 40.
I'm still waiting for that E-mail. If it wasn't for this thread, I wouldn't know that Beta was now happening or that Lifetimers got a free pass.
Oh? What specifically can one not buy from the c-store by trading dil for zen? Barring the red matter capacitor or some veteran rewards, I'm at a loss.
I get it, you are upset. But the facts be facts.
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Oh? What specifically can one not buy from the c-store by trading dil for zen? Barring the red matter capacitor or some veteran rewards, I'm at a loss.
The "crock" I'm refering to is that PW needs people to buy from the Zen store, or else they don't earn income to keep the game running. But "we can earn it in game".
Well, it took all day saturday to get it to finish installing.. So I only go about one day to tinker with it. It was just as buggy as I would expect a Beta to be.
It honestly felt a lot like playing a hybrid of STO and Diablo 2. The way you collected and equipped items felt eerily similar to D2. A lot of the missions had that same sort of vibe too. The UI was incomplete, but felt like a modification of STO's. Astral Diamonds? yeah... dilithium.
The combat system? O_O' wow... after I mastered it I could rip a part an entire enemy group before they had time to blink. (I played as a Tiefling Control Wizard named Silbel.) blast 4 different enemies with 4 different skills? EPIC! The most fun fight was against this gigantic Orc monster. I ended up cycling through all my skills 2 or 3 time sbefore he went down. But, he had only melee attacks and I was playing keep away so it worked out reasonably well. Stop the initial charge with an ice spear, then follow that with a telekinetic strangle hold, then right before he gets close enough to attack, hit him with a repulsor blast to knock him almost out of weapon range, all the while blasting him with my regular weapon attack. Wash, rinse, repeat until he finally goes down. Weak ordinary enemies will often get taken out by one of those attacks by itself.
No... PWE doesn't need people to buy from the Zen store. They just need people buying Zen. What they do with it after they have bought it is their own business.
I'll clue you in, people aren't just going to buy Zen and not buy anything with it. :rolleyes:
It is the ZEN that PWE makes their money off of. Not what is bought using the ZEN. That factors into the metrics that measure what players like from the C-store. And because Zen and Dilithium are interchangable, the option not to spend a dime on the game is there. But if we won't spend money, we have to spend time.
Right and Wrong.
If you don't put something in the store nobody is going to buy, that's lost revenue since you had basically wasted time to create that item. That's why the STO team made it clear they are reluctant to make new KDF ships, because they aren't making money.
So while PWE gets the money after you convert it ZEN, they still need to justify it by having something in the Z-store that you want to buy with that purchased Zen.
And when it comes earning Dilithium or Astral Gems in the games, they aren't making anykind of income since you aren't going to bother to purchase Zen, which in turn goes to maintaining these games and paying the Development teams.
So yes, what people do with that Zen is very much their business. You either make a profit or "game over".
Folks complaining about something free. Glad to see even if the boards change the posts from the users don't.
I agree fully. It's so simple . . . play the beta or don't. Some of these whiners are as bad as the Drow wanna-be whiners in the Neverwinter forums that are screaming they've been ripped off because they have to wait 60 days to play a race that is just as free as the game is. And none of them paid for it.
If you want to stick to STO then do so. Your choice, but your life is not ruined because you got an email inviting you to Beta another game. Delete it and move on . . . in fact . . . PLEASE move on so that those of us who care about that game can play it in peace LOL.
not sure what your problem was but I played all weekend so it wasn't a rip off just maybe a error on your part who knows
Agreed. Everyone I know who is an LTS logged in just fine. It was VERY obvious no keys would be issued . . . because none were needed, as was stated in multiple areas all over both STO and Neverwinter web sites. It was also very obvious what exactly you had to do in order to play the Beta weekend. ~shrug~
I'm assuming those choices affect the dialogue trees with NPC's as you progress through the game.
These options do not effect anything in the game. It is purely for role-play purposes. As soon as I can find the page where this information was posted by a dev (it's in the Neverwinter forums somewhere - I think in a FAQ) I will edit this and link it here, but it has been verified by the devs that character creation will not effect how you are treated by NPCs in game at all.
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Does nobody check out their sto launcher dropdown? on mine i have all three sto shards, Holodeck, Tribble, and redshirt, as well as Champions online Live Server. And just friday it had the choice for Never winter beta test.
What surprised me was the current offerings on the Zen store. Costume dyes are there. Not crafted. Or maybe they can be crafted also? I didn't get into the tradeskills at all.
Tradeskills and crafting weren't turned on during this beta weekend, so nobody (who can talk) knows whether that will be included or not.
Perhaps next beta weekend will have them ready, or partially ready.
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I agree fully. It's so simple . . . play the beta or don't. Some of these whiners are as bad as the Drow wanna-be whiners in the Neverwinter forums that are screaming they've been ripped off because they have to wait 60 days to play a race that is just as free as the game is. And none of them paid for it.
If you want to stick to STO then do so. Your choice, but your life is not ruined because you got an email inviting you to Beta another game. Delete it and move on . . . in fact . . . PLEASE move on so that those of us who care about that game can play it in peace LOL.
Agreed. Everyone I know who is an LTS logged in just fine. It was VERY obvious no keys would be issued . . . because none were needed, as was stated in multiple areas all over both STO and Neverwinter web sites. It was also very obvious what exactly you had to do in order to play the Beta weekend. ~shrug~
Yeah I logged in to the NW client using my STO login. It's just that it wouldn't let me login again after monday morning.
... what is Neverwinter? and how is this connected to Star Trek?
Neverwinter is a MMO styled on the RPG/Board Game Dungeons and Dragons. It's only connection to Star Trek is that Cryptic the makers of Star Trek Online are also the developers for Neverwinter, Perfect World the publishers of STO are the publishers of NW and NW shares the same game engine as STO.
My Romulan Liberated Borg character made it to Level 30 and beat the (old) Defense of New Romulus with the skill point bug.
And when it comes earning Dilithium or Astral Gems in the games, they aren't making anykind of income since you aren't going to bother to purchase Zen.
That's just plain wrong. You might grind away for a truck load of dilithium and trade that in for some Zen, but where did the Zen come from? That's right someone bought it with real money.
Do you think PWE care if someone buys Zen and then those Zen get directly spent in the store or the Zen float around and get traded between players before finally exiting at the store?
What do PWE care, they got thier money upfront. So when you buy from the store with Zen that were traded for dilithium, you are still spending real money it just happens to have come out of someone elses wallet.
I've said it before and I will say it again. Monetize content of substance instead of fluff, and I'll pay for it.
This is exactly how hugely successful F2P's like DDO work you pay for stuff of substance, I.e. access to entire zones, quest chains and epic raids...
They are amazing, for example Gianthold and the 4 Part Crypt series are mind blowingly good. And the value for money aspect is great Gianthold is almost as much content as the entire STO endgame alone and it only cost $15 dollars about half the price of Baldurs Gate when it came out.
Neverwinter is a MMO styled on the RPG/Board Game Dungeons and Dragons.
I would personally dispute that. Aside from using names from the DnD lore, there's nothing I've remotely seen that says to me Neverwinter is in practice a DnD title. At best it's "generic fantasy MMO # 37" trying to wear a DnD skin.
I would personally dispute that. Aside from using names from the DnD lore, there's nothing I've remotely seen that says to me Neverwinter is in practice a DnD title. At best it's "generic fantasy MMO # 37" trying to wear a DnD skin.
Well, it DOES use the names and likenesses of DnD stuff... but yeah.
I would personally dispute that. Aside from using names from the DnD lore, there's nothing I've remotely seen that says to me Neverwinter is in practice a DnD title. At best it's "generic fantasy MMO # 37" trying to wear a DnD skin.
True though DDO is more faithful than NW it is also just a heavily modified look-alike of DnD 3.5
True though DDO is more faithful than NW it is also just a heavily modified look-alike of DnD 3.5
The difference there being that DDO at least tries to apply some of the core principles of the ruleset (where possible) to an MMO framework, where everything I've seen of NW screams the exact opposite.
The difference there being that DDO at least tries to apply some of the core principles of the ruleset (where possible) to an MMO framework, where everything I've seen of NW screams the exact opposite.
Hehe yeah when I played NW I was like this needs a gamepad and feels like Devil May Cry on the PS2,
Very hackenslashy.
When I saw the skill tree and how limited advancement was... I thought where is the DnD in this!? One of the core fun elements of DnD is building a skill set and having heap loads of skills to chose from.
Hehe yeah when I played NW I was like this needs a gamepad and feels like Devil May Cry on the PS2,
Very hackenslashy.
When I saw the skill tree and how limited advancement was... I thought where is the DnD in this!? One of the core fun elements of DnD is building a skill set and having heap loads of skills to chose from.
In fairness, it is just a beta and the rumors I heard have it that the skill tree goes up to level 100.... So...
In fairness, it is just a beta and the rumors I heard have it that the skill tree goes up to level 100.... So...
Well the thing is it seems your railroaded and the progression is pre-ordained so I don't think you get much of a choice, even if you might get a lot of skills.
Well the thing is it seems your railroaded and the progression is pre-ordained so I don't think you get much of a choice, even if you might get a lot of skills.
AFAIK the early levels are a pretty straight forward, no choices, you just get skills, BUT that changes and at higher levels things branch. I think it starts around 30-ish.
Also I think at level 11, I started getting points to put into choosing between several passive stat bonuses.
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They have said several times on the Neverwinter forums that none of the Zen prices are final, they just opened the store up to test it out for the latest beta, but all prices are still under review.
Also, you don't NEED to buy any of the things from it, which is a million times better than a lot of F2P models used by other MMOs. Plus, like STO they have an in game currency which can be earned and traded for Zen in the same manner as Dilithium can be in STO, so if you're willing to put in the time but not the money, then you can buy it all from simply playing the game.
Anyway, it opens up some interesting changes to each class so while everyone in a class might start off with the same abilities, the gameplay can easily change by choosing different paragon paths.. Hopefully, they have at least 3 paragon paths to choose from for each class when the game launches. Also there is supposed to be Epic Destinies to further differentiate each player, but that is supposed to be level 61-90 according to how the game is set up so it will take at least a couple of years to reach.
As numerous people have mentioned before in this thread, there is no key for getting access through the lifetime subscription. Just download the client through direct download or bittorrent and wait for two weeks to login with your Perfect World account. The most I have received for information about Neverwinter is an email saying when the beta will be and what is added to the beta which amounts to Control Wizard class, Half-Orc race, and level cap increase to level 40.
Well EXCUSE me for not reading their forum. I was there for the test weekend as a STO Lifetimer, not a NW Beta Tester.
Dude, we know thats a crock of baloney.
I'm still waiting for that E-mail. If it wasn't for this thread, I wouldn't know that Beta was now happening or that Lifetimers got a free pass.
Oh? What specifically can one not buy from the c-store by trading dil for zen? Barring the red matter capacitor or some veteran rewards, I'm at a loss.
I get it, you are upset. But the facts be facts.
The "crock" I'm refering to is that PW needs people to buy from the Zen store, or else they don't earn income to keep the game running. But "we can earn it in game".
Lets leave the personal observation off the forum. Okay?
BTW, the word you are looking for isn't "upset" but "annoyed". :P
It honestly felt a lot like playing a hybrid of STO and Diablo 2. The way you collected and equipped items felt eerily similar to D2. A lot of the missions had that same sort of vibe too. The UI was incomplete, but felt like a modification of STO's. Astral Diamonds? yeah... dilithium.
The combat system? O_O' wow... after I mastered it I could rip a part an entire enemy group before they had time to blink. (I played as a Tiefling Control Wizard named Silbel.) blast 4 different enemies with 4 different skills? EPIC! The most fun fight was against this gigantic Orc monster. I ended up cycling through all my skills 2 or 3 time sbefore he went down. But, he had only melee attacks and I was playing keep away so it worked out reasonably well. Stop the initial charge with an ice spear, then follow that with a telekinetic strangle hold, then right before he gets close enough to attack, hit him with a repulsor blast to knock him almost out of weapon range, all the while blasting him with my regular weapon attack. Wash, rinse, repeat until he finally goes down. Weak ordinary enemies will often get taken out by one of those attacks by itself.
My character Tsin'xing
I'll clue you in, people aren't just going to buy Zen and not buy anything with it. :rolleyes:
Right and Wrong.
If you don't put something in the store nobody is going to buy, that's lost revenue since you had basically wasted time to create that item. That's why the STO team made it clear they are reluctant to make new KDF ships, because they aren't making money.
So while PWE gets the money after you convert it ZEN, they still need to justify it by having something in the Z-store that you want to buy with that purchased Zen.
And when it comes earning Dilithium or Astral Gems in the games, they aren't making anykind of income since you aren't going to bother to purchase Zen, which in turn goes to maintaining these games and paying the Development teams.
So yes, what people do with that Zen is very much their business. You either make a profit or "game over".
not sure what your problem was but I played all weekend so it wasn't a rip off just maybe a error on your part who knows
I agree fully. It's so simple . . . play the beta or don't. Some of these whiners are as bad as the Drow wanna-be whiners in the Neverwinter forums that are screaming they've been ripped off because they have to wait 60 days to play a race that is just as free as the game is. And none of them paid for it.
If you want to stick to STO then do so. Your choice, but your life is not ruined because you got an email inviting you to Beta another game. Delete it and move on . . . in fact . . . PLEASE move on so that those of us who care about that game can play it in peace LOL.
Agreed. Everyone I know who is an LTS logged in just fine. It was VERY obvious no keys would be issued . . . because none were needed, as was stated in multiple areas all over both STO and Neverwinter web sites. It was also very obvious what exactly you had to do in order to play the Beta weekend. ~shrug~
These options do not effect anything in the game. It is purely for role-play purposes. As soon as I can find the page where this information was posted by a dev (it's in the Neverwinter forums somewhere - I think in a FAQ) I will edit this and link it here, but it has been verified by the devs that character creation will not effect how you are treated by NPCs in game at all.
"our" devs were never part of NW they have there own devs so your comment is not justified,
I'm noticing some borderline posts that may violate PWE Community Rules and Policies in this thread.
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Tradeskills and crafting weren't turned on during this beta weekend, so nobody (who can talk) knows whether that will be included or not.
Perhaps next beta weekend will have them ready, or partially ready.
My character Tsin'xing
Neverwinter is a MMO styled on the RPG/Board Game Dungeons and Dragons. It's only connection to Star Trek is that Cryptic the makers of Star Trek Online are also the developers for Neverwinter, Perfect World the publishers of STO are the publishers of NW and NW shares the same game engine as STO.
This is exactly how hugely successful F2P's like DDO work you pay for stuff of substance, I.e. access to entire zones, quest chains and epic raids...
They are amazing, for example Gianthold and the 4 Part Crypt series are mind blowingly good. And the value for money aspect is great Gianthold is almost as much content as the entire STO endgame alone and it only cost $15 dollars about half the price of Baldurs Gate when it came out.
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I would personally dispute that. Aside from using names from the DnD lore, there's nothing I've remotely seen that says to me Neverwinter is in practice a DnD title. At best it's "generic fantasy MMO # 37" trying to wear a DnD skin.
My character Tsin'xing
True though DDO is more faithful than NW it is also just a heavily modified look-alike of DnD 3.5
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The difference there being that DDO at least tries to apply some of the core principles of the ruleset (where possible) to an MMO framework, where everything I've seen of NW screams the exact opposite.
Hehe yeah when I played NW I was like this needs a gamepad and feels like Devil May Cry on the PS2,
Very hackenslashy.
When I saw the skill tree and how limited advancement was... I thought where is the DnD in this!? One of the core fun elements of DnD is building a skill set and having heap loads of skills to chose from.
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My character Tsin'xing
Well the thing is it seems your railroaded and the progression is pre-ordained so I don't think you get much of a choice, even if you might get a lot of skills.
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Also I think at level 11, I started getting points to put into choosing between several passive stat bonuses.
My character Tsin'xing