No, but they do seem to have this habit of brushing off KDF stuff until "later" or conveniently "forget" about that side of the game. Seems like whenever there's a time crunch, KDF stuff is the first to get the axe, because, hey, nobody plays KDF anyway, right? Am I right?
Not nobody, but apparently far less people play KDf than Federation. It´s sad but from a business point of view it makes sense.
Cryptic likes throwing around broad announcement of all the marvelous content they´re creating and then they gradually edit out 80% of it and delay it or even forget they ever talked about it. That´s at least the impression on the players...the ones with the wallets just begging to be emptied. A little more care in the future could easily prevent such "blunders".
If they had just said "starting with Season 4 we will introduce...." instead of "the perfect time to start a Klingon", people would still rage about the Enterprise contest and a T5 Connie instead of this.
Probably because at the time they plugged the KDF stuff; the expectation and indication was that they WERE going to be able to get it all out on time.
That doesn't really help matters much. All they've canceled from season 4 is KDF stuff. The same KDF stuff they advertised when they said season 4 would be a great time to start a klingon.
It's day 45 patch all over again.
Also, most people equate 'pulling the plug' with outright cancellation.
They have pulled the plug on all of the KDF stuff for season 4. Going so far as to have one employee state the new redone qo'nos is moved to season 5.
So when they say Season 4 will be a good time to start a klingon and then postpone everything until after season 4 ... they pulled the plug. There's no other way to describe it.
I think you misread my posts if you're finding anger in them. Just disappointment. It's really weird to plug the KDF and then decide the easiest way to get season 4 out the door would be to cut all of the KDF stuff from it.
And I've already seen how that works with the playerbase. Cause of previous patches where the exact same thing happened. There'll be more then enough anger from others.
Me? I'm just surprised they'd choose this path ... again.
There is nothing in this post I can disagree with.
If the Romulan faction does turn out better than the Klingons, there will be blood in the streets from the Klingon players, screaming "Why didn't you do this to us?"
If the Romulan faction does turn out better than the Klingons, there will be blood in the streets from the Klingon players, screaming "Why didn't you do this to us?"
Maybe. But the likelihood of that happening is pretty slim.
Not nobody, but apparently far less people play KDf than Federation. It´s sad but from a business point of view it makes sense.
Cryptic likes throwing around broad announcement of all the marvelous content they´re creating and then they gradually edit out 80% of it and delay it or even forget they ever talked about it. That´s at least the impression on the players...the ones with the wallets just begging to be emptied. A little more care in the future could easily prevent such "blunders".
If they had just said "starting with Season 4 we will introduce...." instead of "the perfect time to start a Klingon", people would still rage about the Enterprise contest and a T5 Connie instead of this.
There also the simple fact that 50% of the team is working on klingon stuff. But only the klingon stuff is getting bumped. Personal I am puzzeled how that can be. And at this point it about 80% of the klingons stuff that been confirm bumped.
No, but they do seem to have this habit of brushing off KDF stuff until "later" or conveniently "forget" about that side of the game. Seems like whenever there's a time crunch, KDF stuff is the first to get the axe, because, hey, nobody plays KDF anyway, right? Am I right?
I too don't believe it happens on purpose so much as its just a bad habit as they try to do both factions and have to folllow the revenue first.
It would just be nice to let us know as a fanbase in a better way that what we had our hopes for is delayed and why.
To be honest if the "when its ready" is worth the wait, I can wait.
You cloud grow the fingernail at your opposing little finger to enormous length, then sharpen it with a nail-file so you cut off your little finger with your little finger.;)
You could probably sell that stunt on the interent and get a lot of bucks out of your self-mutilation.
You cloud grow the fingernail at your opposing little finger to enormous length, then sharpen it with a nail-file so you cut off your little finger with your little finger.;)
You could probably sell that stunt on the interent and get a lot of bucks out of your self-mutilation.
And who said the community had lost its sense of humor!
[ Files vigorously, making little guttural sounds ]
It seems to me that they are also postponing the new Qo'noS, not only the tutorial. At least that is both what Peregrine_Falcon and now myself understood this. Soon I wonder if the Klingon faction will be getting anything major for the launch of season 4 at all.
Perhaps they would do better to simply postpone the launch of the season itself so everything could get ready, but I doubt they will do that as well. For if they did that, the Federation wouldn't get their stuff on time, and certainly, Cryptic can't do anything to disappoint them, can they? No, let them disappoint us Klingons instead. We are warriors, we can take disappointment, can't we? Certainly, as Klingons, do we need anything other than our blood shed across the stars and taunts flung our way? Meh! Sarcasm is better when its vocal.
No matter what I write here, my anger and disappointment sound impotent.
Oh, and don;t forget the Klingon Homeworld revamp (which from the screenshots and description seems a bit more involved then the ESD revamp; but I suppose we'll see at Season 4 launch (for those that stick around.
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Oops it looks that not coming out with season 4 either
It seems to me that they are also postponing the new Qo'noS, not only the tutorial. At least that is both what Peregrine_Falcon and now myself understood this.
Well, to be fair, Al didn't say the new Qo'noS wasn't happening on time, just that it might not. But he's not the go-to guy for such things anyway, so unless he checked with someone else before the show, he can only guess.
Still, it's a kick in the pants to cast doubt on the one big thing remaining from the list of planned KDF improvements for Season 4.
I have flashbacks. I have the uneasy feeling that we're back in time and that Z is still handling the Klingon situation...
The only reason why I have not purchased an LTS so far is because of the lack of content for Klingons. I have 3 Lt. Gen (and soon a 4th one) and I'm beginning to feel more and more like I've wasted my time with them.
I don't think I will be playing SWTOR but I might go back to WoW :eek:
Help me, D.Stahl, you'e my only hope (oops wrong series)
Yes, they do - otherwise it would be no problem at all to just delay the whole patch or do you think there's a FEDie siting behind DStahl with hist uber phasergun saying - Hey the patch can't be delayed or you and your family got wiped out by the UFP?
No - so the only reason is that CRYPTIC and DStahl doesn't care and even if they had to swear on the holy book they would lie.
Why would you want to delay an entire patch if the other two main aspects (which BTW DO benefit BOTH factions) - namely the Ground Combat (and Ground Weapons) Revamp; and the new Duty Officer System which the lead Devfor it, Heretic, has stated is tailored to the KDF in terms of Doff mission types; just because the new tutorial (which BTW ALSO afftects the FED faction in that while the Klingon Academy building on Q''Nos is delayed - so too is the new Federation Star Fleet Academy (and the ability to beam down to Earth itself. Which many a Fed player was looking forward to as well.)
So, this time out, it's NOT just KDF elements that are being delayed - both factions have items that will be delayed this time around. The ONLY KDF intem that was new/unique to the KDF faction only was the Klingon Homeworld graphical revamp turning it into more of a city zone than just the Great Hall interior with a courtyard. Yes, that's a big and welcome new element to be sure - (and by the latest reports includings Dev S_Walls post here on Fri. 5/13/11 (link) - the Q'Nos revamp IS in Season 4; and CONTRARY to what was reported over the weekend, RE the raw footage of a STOked interview contuced Saturday May 14th with Dev Captain_Geeko(link to footage here) ; Geeko says near the end: "The Q'Nos Revamp might make it in" <--- Refering to Season 4 launch - which doesn't contradict S_Wall's post of Friday in the sligtest - and given S_Wall was the Dev tasked with the revamp, I'd say he's in a better position to know - but yes, it's always possible things could change.
But in all the disscussion of wjhat content is being pulled/delayed in Season 4 - Why is it that you would want to see the Ground Combat Revamp and Duty Officer System delayed and they BOTH are wanted by players of BOTH the KDF and Fed factions; and with the Doff system, again, BOTH factions get content and a way to acquire SP and EXP via the new Doff system.
Is it that you feel neither the ground Combat Revamp or Doff System affect the KDF faction in a positiive way; or don't acknowledge the Doff System adding more the the KDF faction?
To get it right. I have no problem remembering how broken gameplay got the last time they released a new gameplay feature (Diplomacy). It broke exploration missions. For TWO WHOLE MONTHS.
Why delay the patch? To get it right. Definitely to get it right. And hey, that gives them more time to make good on their schedule to do all that KDF stuff too.
To get it right. I have no problem remembering how broken gameplay got the last time they released a new gameplay feature (Diplomacy). It broke exploration missions. For TWO WHOLE MONTHS.
Why delay the patch? To get it right. Definitely to get it right. And hey, that gives them more time to make good on their schedule to do all that KDF stuff too.
Win-Win.
Oh wait! Does anyone remember when we tested the Death Penalty patch back in April, 2010? Anyone remember how we told them, while it was still on Tribble, "Hey! You can't send this live, there's a bug where some enemies insta-kill the whole away team."
And on April 30th 2010 that bug went live anyway. Over a year ago. Many people still cannot, or will not, play on Advanced or Elite because of this bug, which means that all of the work they put in to that patch was wasted.
So yeah. Let's do some testing and actually fix stuff before it goes live please.
I think it's safe to say that I was looking forward to the KDF updates even though I mostly play Fed and I am disappointed by the delay. I certainly will not be rolling a new KDF character until the Klingon Academy is in the game.
It's also safe to say that a new Klingon tutorial will not benefit any existing KDF characters. It will be new content, but only for new or low-level characters.
What I read seemed to indicate that Cryptic decided against extending the content drought that impacts all of the existing characters; that they intended to move forward with new content and rebalancing existing content and delay the tutorials instead.
What this will actually mean is open to question. If they give my LtCmdr some content to play, I'll play 'er. Otherwise, she sits until the next FE or until PvP gets fixed.
I will say that I agree with the sentiment that, up to a point, I'd rather see delays to fix problems than broken new content. But not too many delays.
I
I will say that I agree with the sentiment that, up to a point, I'd rather see delays to fix problems than broken new content. But not too many delays.
To get it right. I have no problem remembering how broken gameplay got the last time they released a new gameplay feature (Diplomacy). It broke exploration missions. For TWO WHOLE MONTHS.
Why delay the patch? To get it right. Definitely to get it right. And hey, that gives them more time to make good on their schedule to do all that KDF stuff too.
Win-Win.
That's fine - but given that Season 4 isn't on Tribble yet; it's a bbit early for that discussion. I got the impression that, because the Academies and tutorial for both factions were stated to be 'not ready yet'; and because of the possibility that the O'Nos Homeworld zone grapphics update wasn't ready; that you feel they should delay patching everything elsethat they feel IS ready to go - aka the Combat System Upgrade and The Duty Officer System, until the other items above are ready.
Given by you reply and the opne after yours - Are you in fact saying that they shouldn't patch the parts they feel are ready to Tribble so the can get some player feedback and a wider base of testing done for the Combat Revamp and Duty Officer System?
In all honesty, I still don't see the sense behind such a move if the Devs feel something is ready for public testing.
Given by you reply and the opne after yours - Are you in fact saying that they shouldn't patch the parts they feel are ready to Tribble so the can get some player feedback and a wider base of testing done for the Combat Revamp and Duty Officer System?
Considering my experience with their ability to process, react to and actually take action from player feedback ... I'd say I'm making the right call here.
I'm confused as to why you think it's a-OK to have them rush out yet another patch with only half the content scheduled that will most likely break gameplay in a major way? Again?
Oh wait! Does anyone remember when we tested the Death Penalty patch back in April, 2010? Anyone remember how we told them, while it was still on Tribble, "Hey! You can't send this live, there's a bug where some enemies insta-kill the whole away team."
And on April 30th 2010 that bug went live anyway. Over a year ago. Many people still cannot, or will not, play on Advanced or Elite because of this bug, which means that all of the work they put in to that patch was wasted.
So yeah. Let's do some testing and actually fix stuff before it goes live please.
I remember this quite keenly. There were a handful of players feedbacking that quite loudly when it was on tribble.
sigh
You know what's even more depressing? The Foundry did not give us access to these races to use as villains in our own missions. That's just mean on Cryptic's part. Why can't I get to play with the Starlians and their super-uber ground crews that melt faces?
You know what's even more depressing? The Foundry did not give us access to these races to use as villains in our own missions. That's just mean on Cryptic's part. Why can't I get to play with the Starlians and their super-uber ground crews that melt faces?
That's fine - but given that Season 4 isn't on Tribble yet; it's a bbit early for that discussion. I got the impression that, because the Academies and tutorial for both factions were stated to be 'not ready yet'; and because of the possibility that the O'Nos Homeworld zone grapphics update wasn't ready; that you feel they should delay patching everything elsethat they feel IS ready to go - aka the Combat System Upgrade and The Duty Officer System, until the other items above are ready.
Given by you reply and the opne after yours - Are you in fact saying that they shouldn't patch the parts they feel are ready to Tribble so the can get some player feedback and a wider base of testing done for the Combat Revamp and Duty Officer System?
In all honesty, I still don't see the sense behind such a move if the Devs feel something is ready for public testing.
I have no issues with release what ready to tribble Bu they should hold the season 4 till it 100% ready.
After all More then 50% of the staff is working on Klingons tuff. At least according to Stahl.
More than half of the team is working on Klingon content for Season 4 at the moment, so I can assure that I remain committed to improving the KDF faction and have done so with every release.
It is supposed to read BY 2012. Cap'n Logan's schedule has him slammed making at least one new ship a month (not that they will come out on that schedule). So there will be plenty more ships coming out at a very steady pace. In addition you could also see a few new ship variants in Season 4.
This was in response to someone asking about the Ambassador-class ship, but the wording of the response indicates he had a lot of brain farts or was drinking heavily or something while writing the latest Ask Cryptic, so we'll see new ships steadily released, including KDF ships.
it wont be KDF ships because we all know KDF ship models are intrinsicly harder to connect one polygon to another due to the fact the Klingon Polygons require only honorable connects to other polys.
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Not nobody, but apparently far less people play KDf than Federation. It´s sad but from a business point of view it makes sense.
Cryptic likes throwing around broad announcement of all the marvelous content they´re creating and then they gradually edit out 80% of it and delay it or even forget they ever talked about it. That´s at least the impression on the players...the ones with the wallets just begging to be emptied. A little more care in the future could easily prevent such "blunders".
If they had just said "starting with Season 4 we will introduce...." instead of "the perfect time to start a Klingon", people would still rage about the Enterprise contest and a T5 Connie instead of this.
P.T. Barnum said it best....
That doesn't really help matters much. All they've canceled from season 4 is KDF stuff. The same KDF stuff they advertised when they said season 4 would be a great time to start a klingon.
It's day 45 patch all over again.
They have pulled the plug on all of the KDF stuff for season 4. Going so far as to have one employee state the new redone qo'nos is moved to season 5.
So when they say Season 4 will be a good time to start a klingon and then postpone everything until after season 4 ... they pulled the plug. There's no other way to describe it.
I think you misread my posts if you're finding anger in them. Just disappointment. It's really weird to plug the KDF and then decide the easiest way to get season 4 out the door would be to cut all of the KDF stuff from it.
And I've already seen how that works with the playerbase. Cause of previous patches where the exact same thing happened. There'll be more then enough anger from others.
Me? I'm just surprised they'd choose this path ... again.
I stopped being surprised by it quite a while ago.....Does this make me a negative person?
I've decided to take a hiatus from the game for a while, I can't cancel cause I'm a lifer, but playing just leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
If the Romulan faction does turn out better than the Klingons, there will be blood in the streets from the Klingon players, screaming "Why didn't you do this to us?"
Maybe. But the likelihood of that happening is pretty slim.
There also the simple fact that 50% of the team is working on klingon stuff. But only the klingon stuff is getting bumped. Personal I am puzzeled how that can be. And at this point it about 80% of the klingons stuff that been confirm bumped.
I too don't believe it happens on purpose so much as its just a bad habit as they try to do both factions and have to folllow the revenue first.
It would just be nice to let us know as a fanbase in a better way that what we had our hopes for is delayed and why.
To be honest if the "when its ready" is worth the wait, I can wait.
... Give me a sec to think this through. I will use a pin! The blood will flow like rivers I tell you!
You could probably sell that stunt on the interent and get a lot of bucks out of your self-mutilation.
And who said the community had lost its sense of humor!
[ Files vigorously, making little guttural sounds ]
PS. Or I could sell it on C-Store!
http://www.justin.tv/stoperegrine/b/285924046
It seems to me that they are also postponing the new Qo'noS, not only the tutorial. At least that is both what Peregrine_Falcon and now myself understood this. Soon I wonder if the Klingon faction will be getting anything major for the launch of season 4 at all.
Perhaps they would do better to simply postpone the launch of the season itself so everything could get ready, but I doubt they will do that as well. For if they did that, the Federation wouldn't get their stuff on time, and certainly, Cryptic can't do anything to disappoint them, can they? No, let them disappoint us Klingons instead. We are warriors, we can take disappointment, can't we? Certainly, as Klingons, do we need anything other than our blood shed across the stars and taunts flung our way? Meh! Sarcasm is better when its vocal.
No matter what I write here, my anger and disappointment sound impotent.
Oops it looks that not coming out with season 4 either
Still, it's a kick in the pants to cast doubt on the one big thing remaining from the list of planned KDF improvements for Season 4.
The only reason why I have not purchased an LTS so far is because of the lack of content for Klingons. I have 3 Lt. Gen (and soon a 4th one) and I'm beginning to feel more and more like I've wasted my time with them.
I don't think I will be playing SWTOR but I might go back to WoW :eek:
Help me, D.Stahl, you'e my only hope (oops wrong series)
Why would you want to delay an entire patch if the other two main aspects (which BTW DO benefit BOTH factions) - namely the Ground Combat (and Ground Weapons) Revamp; and the new Duty Officer System which the lead Devfor it, Heretic, has stated is tailored to the KDF in terms of Doff mission types; just because the new tutorial (which BTW ALSO afftects the FED faction in that while the Klingon Academy building on Q''Nos is delayed - so too is the new Federation Star Fleet Academy (and the ability to beam down to Earth itself. Which many a Fed player was looking forward to as well.)
So, this time out, it's NOT just KDF elements that are being delayed - both factions have items that will be delayed this time around. The ONLY KDF intem that was new/unique to the KDF faction only was the Klingon Homeworld graphical revamp turning it into more of a city zone than just the Great Hall interior with a courtyard. Yes, that's a big and welcome new element to be sure - (and by the latest reports includings Dev S_Walls post here on Fri. 5/13/11 (link) - the Q'Nos revamp IS in Season 4; and CONTRARY to what was reported over the weekend, RE the raw footage of a STOked interview contuced Saturday May 14th with Dev Captain_Geeko (link to footage here) ; Geeko says near the end: "The Q'Nos Revamp might make it in" <--- Refering to Season 4 launch - which doesn't contradict S_Wall's post of Friday in the sligtest - and given S_Wall was the Dev tasked with the revamp, I'd say he's in a better position to know - but yes, it's always possible things could change.
But in all the disscussion of wjhat content is being pulled/delayed in Season 4 - Why is it that you would want to see the Ground Combat Revamp and Duty Officer System delayed and they BOTH are wanted by players of BOTH the KDF and Fed factions; and with the Doff system, again, BOTH factions get content and a way to acquire SP and EXP via the new Doff system.
Is it that you feel neither the ground Combat Revamp or Doff System affect the KDF faction in a positiive way; or don't acknowledge the Doff System adding more the the KDF faction?
To get it right. I have no problem remembering how broken gameplay got the last time they released a new gameplay feature (Diplomacy). It broke exploration missions. For TWO WHOLE MONTHS.
Why delay the patch? To get it right. Definitely to get it right. And hey, that gives them more time to make good on their schedule to do all that KDF stuff too.
Win-Win.
And on April 30th 2010 that bug went live anyway. Over a year ago. Many people still cannot, or will not, play on Advanced or Elite because of this bug, which means that all of the work they put in to that patch was wasted.
So yeah. Let's do some testing and actually fix stuff before it goes live please.
It's also safe to say that a new Klingon tutorial will not benefit any existing KDF characters. It will be new content, but only for new or low-level characters.
What I read seemed to indicate that Cryptic decided against extending the content drought that impacts all of the existing characters; that they intended to move forward with new content and rebalancing existing content and delay the tutorials instead.
What this will actually mean is open to question. If they give my LtCmdr some content to play, I'll play 'er. Otherwise, she sits until the next FE or until PvP gets fixed.
I will say that I agree with the sentiment that, up to a point, I'd rather see delays to fix problems than broken new content. But not too many delays.
Not too many delays is key.
That's fine - but given that Season 4 isn't on Tribble yet; it's a bbit early for that discussion. I got the impression that, because the Academies and tutorial for both factions were stated to be 'not ready yet'; and because of the possibility that the O'Nos Homeworld zone grapphics update wasn't ready; that you feel they should delay patching everything elsethat they feel IS ready to go - aka the Combat System Upgrade and The Duty Officer System, until the other items above are ready.
Given by you reply and the opne after yours - Are you in fact saying that they shouldn't patch the parts they feel are ready to Tribble so the can get some player feedback and a wider base of testing done for the Combat Revamp and Duty Officer System?
In all honesty, I still don't see the sense behind such a move if the Devs feel something is ready for public testing.
Considering my experience with their ability to process, react to and actually take action from player feedback ... I'd say I'm making the right call here.
I'm confused as to why you think it's a-OK to have them rush out yet another patch with only half the content scheduled that will most likely break gameplay in a major way? Again?
What good is that?
I remember this quite keenly. There were a handful of players feedbacking that quite loudly when it was on tribble.
sigh
You know what's even more depressing? The Foundry did not give us access to these races to use as villains in our own missions. That's just mean on Cryptic's part. Why can't I get to play with the Starlians and their super-uber ground crews that melt faces?
Now....this made me laugh out loud!:D
I have no issues with release what ready to tribble Bu they should hold the season 4 till it 100% ready.
After all More then 50% of the staff is working on Klingons tuff. At least according to Stahl.
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showpost.php?p=3453028&postcount=20
So it kind strange that only items effecting the Klingons that are getting bumped. More then Half the team is working on Klingon content.
According to the engineer report it looks we at least get - .
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=214208&page=11
This was in response to someone asking about the Ambassador-class ship, but the wording of the response indicates he had a lot of brain farts or was drinking heavily or something while writing the latest Ask Cryptic, so we'll see new ships steadily released, including KDF ships.