At least the Qo'noS revamp will still be part of S4. I truly hope it will bring in some new warriors. Both factions have a ways to go before we get a fully playable MMO without gaps and holes. But honestly...the KDF needs a huge boost in attention. What I see when we get new content is very.....very delayed followup content that has already been added to the UFP (we just get it months later). I still feel that the gap in content gets bigger and bigger as time goes by. How will the Rommies ever get added?
I always think of This when reading those "you will get nothing and like it posts" HAHA!.
Seeing how the idea has been posted about the Rommies being split by the factions scares me into thinking that a merge of UFP and KDF could happen one day. They might think that this solution would "fix" the content gap and just work on a new faction with Rommies and someone else.
This is not good. I do hope the devs wake up from there dream world and soon. The facts are these.
Swtor is coming up, and they are offering two solid factions. They are offering immersion, they are offering content, and they are offering heavy rp stories. To any normal mmo player that is tempting as hell, and you dont even need to be a star wars fan.
STO offers one solid faction, some good content, strong points on immersion, and some good stories. Sorry but sto cash cow thats a joke. If players have too choose between a one faction game, and swtor i think we know which one they will choose. It wont be long before sto becomes a drain for cryptics money and not a cash cow.
So i do hope the devs get off there rear ends and soon. Start worrying about giving people two solid, complete, and whole factions in sto. Otherwise all this other small stuff its not going to count for anything when swtor comes out.
Before someone starts saying i am going to jump ship lol, i dont plan on going to swtor, i plan on staying in sto.
I don't even care about the devs creating Klingon content anymore.
The devs obviously do not want to create Klingon content and personally I don't want them to be forced into writing missions for us because then we'll get more of their 'Borg searching for artifacts of their third dynasty' nonsense.
When they finally did make some missions for us what did we get? A couple of sorties that are still broken, and a couple of missions that are obviously test runs for Never winter dungeons, complete with cave trolls that throw magic grappling chains at you. Cause nothing says 'Star Trek' more than a bunch of demons and a giant smoking steam-punk starship, right?
Look, thanks to the Foundry we can create our own content, and frankly, from what I've seen of KDF Foundry missions there are a lot of us that are better writers than the devs are.
No, I'd rather the devs just concentrate on making stuff work. Let them do the ground combat revamp, and the Gorn revamp, finally fix the armor and kit display ability on KDF side, and then let them go back to doing nothing but cranking out Fed only C-Store items and Featured Episodes while we write real Klingon missions.
the problem is that the foundry is not a good tool for leveling, it's time vs rewards factor is horrible, the wrapper mission either takes six hours or 5 minutes depending on what mission you take.
I'd be all for this, but the problem is they refuse to bump up the xp gains in the foundry because they are worried about exploits.
You do realize the faction neutral tutorial is STILL coming as is the Klingon Academy (and Star Fleet Academy, which was also delayed BTW) sometime during Season 4 - just not at the Season 4 launch.
Been through this before with the 45 day patch, etc, etc, etc.
Same old same old really.
Content trickles in. MOST of it is fed side. KDF gets slightly retweaked fed stuff. With a select few KDF flavored things (8 PVE missions, 1 free uniform item, another on the way, a targ pet, a bat'leth).
The disparity is there. And really this thread simply vents frustration at the shell game that's continually taken place. It wouldn't be that big a deal if someone (not naming names here) hadn't tried to market season 4 as a klingon thing. Unfortunately they did.
And viola. Here we are again. 45 day patch version 2.0.
So judging by the track record we get promise that are not delivered.
You do realize that Both Stahl and his predecessor both have stated that doing Engineering reports is dangerous, because situations can change, development may not happen as quickly as they want when other things come up, and so forth.
This is why most MMO companies do not post this kind of information: They know they'll be called liars and promise-breakers if things don't work out the way they want when they want.
The KDF tutorial has been pushed back, not canceled. These things happen. I'm related to a dev on another MMO and he says the same thing. It's very dangerous to put the intentions out there because it's a given that not everything will work out according to the initial plan.
I too want PvE content for Klingons. I want to roll a Klingon alt (I have three, but they are more a change of pace right now because there's not much for them to do yet), but I have no problem being reasonable about tech development. I'm holding off on creating a new KDF character now until the tutorial is in (unless season 4 delivers solid post-tutorial content). I'm not interested in PvP at all; I'm hoping for more PvE content to flesh out the Klingon side of the game.
But I am willing to wait until they feel they have it right. If they release too early and it's not all is supposed to be, they'll get BBQed for that too. It remains to be seen what KDF content (sans tutorial) we may get in Season 4. Though I'm not promising anything.:)
And...IMOHPO...I refuse to do Foundry missions, period. No disrepect to those that took the time to make missions, but because I feel that paying subscribers shouldn't have to work to design their own content to make up for the developers lack of insight into what they need to keep their money machine working. Thats why they make the big bucks and not us paying subscribers who spent our hard earned money believing the promise of "A total imersion ito the World of Star Trek."
Just My Own Humble Personal Opnion, of course.
The KDF tutorial has been pushed back, not canceled. These things happen. I'm related to a dev on another MMO and he says the same thing. It's very dangerous to put the intentions out there because it's a given that not everything will work out according to the initial plan.
.:)
it's been a year since we have been waiting for a klingon tutorial and starter experience, this is not a new concept but something klingons have been asked to wait for for over a year now.
thats just not acceptable, we've been patient, we've leveled feds up and waited for them to get the kdf sorted, we've drank the koolaid on this one too many times..
Secondly, yes, Klingon gameplay is almost entirely PvP. We are trying to get some PvE in (there's already a tad bit). And, if the players demand it, we'll add more content (like episodes). I want us to be agile as a company and respond to what the customers want.
Third, I'll reiterate my point in the other thread. I'm most excited about playing a Klingon. I love combat in a bird of prey. Klingons are getting attention - from me. It's not as much as I'd want, but we have a foundation that we can grow into. If people like the federation gameplay, we can put that in for the Klingons. If players have a different set of requests for klingons, we can do that instead. We can make STO into the game that YOU want.
I'll close with that. MMORPG's aren't just about release. They're about community and the years of gameplay. Disappointed that there isn't more Klingon gameplay? Play STO, tell us what you'd like and we can deliver that. Every passing day, we can make STO into what the fans want.
Edit: Bumped jack's post to top of therad
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That was Dec 09. I think its safe to say people have been demanding more Klingon content. Whats up?
Of course, Im hopeful Klingon stuff will change, Ive got 2 myself, 1 max the other just hit BG, but I can only grind the same missions so many times. If they open the other sector blocks more sorties would be fun, broken or not, I think its the only time I really feel like a Klingon. Thats what they should be doing, raiding anything they want, fighting anyone and everyone.
And...IMOHPO...I refuse to do Foundry missions, period. No disrepect to those that took the time to make missions, but because I feel that paying subscribers shouldn't have to work to design their own content to make up for the developers lack of insight into what they need to keep their money machine working. Thats why they make the big bucks and not us paying subscribers who spent our hard earned money believing the promise of "A total imersion ito the World of Star Trek."
Just My Own Humble Personal Opnion, of course.
Have to agree here. I wont touch them. Just another way to excuse Cryptic from making content we pay for. Instead, lets do all the work for them....NOT
Have to agree here. I wont touch them. Just another way to excuse Cryptic from making content we pay for. Instead, lets do all the work for them....NOT
That's not what it is at all.
Many players have been asking for a way to create their own missions in game since before STO launched. And many players honestly enjoy making missions. They want to make missions, they want to pay $15 a month to make missions.
EDIT: Refusing to play Foundry missions isn't going to affect the devs not one little bit. But it does deprive you of playing some of the best content in the entire game. Many of the Foundry missions that I've played are far better than anything I've seen the devs create.
Yes I know that those players are adding content to the game that the developers should be adding to the game, but look at it this way: what should be happening isn't happening and it ain't gonna happen.
Let's be realistic for a minute. The developers aren't ever going to create enough missions for the Empire for a character to level up completely without grinding. Ever. It ain't going to happen. Heck, Dstahl even said it ain't going to happen.
So the best we can hope for is that they'll fix Qo'noS, give us a tutorial and some customization options and then go back to cranking out Fed only hairdos for the C-Store and leave us alone.
After watching them trying, and failing, to fix and balance stuff in this game (several times), I honestly believe that's the absolute best we can hope for.
You nknow - It is TERRIBLE - I mean yes, the Feds are getting a Duty Officer System and a Ground Combat and Ground Item update, while the poor KDF are getting....
a Duty Officer System and a Ground Combat and Ground Item update too <-- MORE proof the Devs are TOTALLY ingoring adding anything to the KDF while the Freds get...oh, wait....
And as far as the delayed tutorial and Level 1 - 5 content:
The new tutorials were intended to be much shorter than the current one and allow players to run shorter, smaller missions that teach specific tasks or just skip them entirely.
The tutorials themselves were neutral faction (meaning the individual missions made sense for either Klingons or Feds).
As it stands, for Season 4 - Klingons will still start at level 5, however they will start on the new Qo'noS.
It is almost a done deal that we will allow any player to create a Klingon once they've completed the Fed tutorial once (instead of needing to get to level 6)
It is also almost a done deal that we will allow players to skip the tutorial once they've done it once.
I wish the new tutorials were done right now, but I don't want to delay putting out content when the current tutorial is still functional and does its job.
Oh, and don;t forget the Klingon Homeworld revamp (which from the screenshots and description seems a bit more involved then the ESD revamp; but I suppose we'll see at Season 4 launch (for those that stick around.
Ywes, thenew tutorial for both factions is delayed; and because it was tied to te new Academy buildings (Both KDF and Fed) - BOTH factions Academies are delayed.
So again, what's the logic in believing that somehow the KDF was singled out and purposely given the short end of the stick by Cryptic; while te Fed faction got everything promised for Saeson 4 lauch....oh, wait...
Yes, a promised feature got delayed; but it affected BOTH factions, not just the KDF; and I doubt anyone could make a case that the delay was somehow planned by Cryptic, just to further aggrivate the people who really want to see the KDF faction grow.
You nknow - It is TERRIBLE - I mean yes, the Feds are getting a Duty Officer System and a Ground Combat and Ground Item update, while the poor KDF are getting....
a Duty Officer System and a Ground Combat and Ground Item update too <-- MORE proof the Devs are TOTALLY ingoring adding anything to the KDF while the Freds get...oh, wait....
This is system related stuff. It's the same as an update to the launcher. It's a misleading argumet that it was designed for KDF too in mind.
And as far as the delayed tutorial and Level 1 - 5 content:
Still no tutorial for Klingons. There's still the question - why do I have to create a FED toon (that will count to the FED playerbase) when I simply want to start with a different faction? What's so difficult to create independant tutorials?
Oh, and don;t forget the Klingon Homeworld revamp (which from the screenshots and description seems a bit more involved then the ESD revamp; but I suppose we'll see at Season 4 launch (for those that stick around.
Ywes, thenew tutorial for both factions is delayed; and because it was tied to te new Academy buildings (Both KDF and Fed) - BOTH factions Academies are delayed.
The Klingon Homewolrd revamp is also a smart and laughable excuse since it's only what Starbase 1 got month ago and isn't realy needed.
So again, what's the logic in believing that somehow the KDF was singled out and purposely given the short end of the stick by Cryptic; while te Fed faction got everything promised for Saeson 4 lauch....oh, wait...
Yes, a promised feature got delayed; but it affected BOTH factions, not just the KDF; and I doubt anyone could make a case that the delay was somehow planned by Cryptic, just to further aggrivate the people who really want to see the KDF faction grow.
It's not only delayed - it's delayed again again and again... we know how CRYPTIC works... and they obviously didn't changes since City of Heros nor Champions Online.
And as Koopa27 allready quoted - in case they want to add stuff - they could - not even CBS would mind cause they don't hold the nessessary rigths nor content for KDF or any other 3'rd faction.
Another big point is also the fact that the devs are always getting ahead of themselves. Instead of filling our minds with promises they can't deliver they should just be more careful about what they say in interviews etc. I still remember all the interviews before launch from Cryptic about the excellent features of STO; the KDF as a full faction, free exploration, ...
If you don't believe me about those interviews, look for em on Youtube, they're still there. Besides, the KDF was announced as a PvP only faction, yes; BUT it was done only 2 to 3 months prior to release when most people already had their preorder in. In my opinion that constitutes as a complete scam. If I had known that the KDF would be a 2nd grade faction in STO I would have NEVER gotten the game in the first place. Alas, did the preorder, neglected to check back in on the game expecting all them fancy interviews, previews and feature lists would be valid and... here I am...
As soon as the next kid on the block comes and provides me with a better list of features then I'll be ditching STO right away. I get the feeling that most people playing the game are of the same mindset as I am (the non lifers that is).
You nknow - It is TERRIBLE - I mean yes, the Feds are getting a Duty Officer System and a Ground Combat and Ground Item update, while the poor KDF are getting....
a Duty Officer System and a Ground Combat and Ground Item update too <-- MORE proof the Devs are TOTALLY ingoring adding anything to the KDF while the Freds get...oh, wait....
And as far as the delayed tutorial and Level 1 - 5 content:
Oh, and don;t forget the Klingon Homeworld revamp (which from the screenshots and description seems a bit more involved then the ESD revamp; but I suppose we'll see at Season 4 launch (for those that stick around.
Ywes, thenew tutorial for both factions is delayed; and because it was tied to te new Academy buildings (Both KDF and Fed) - BOTH factions Academies are delayed.
So again, what's the logic in believing that somehow the KDF was singled out and purposely given the short end of the stick by Cryptic; while te Fed faction got everything promised for Saeson 4 lauch....oh, wait...
Yes, a promised feature got delayed; but it affected BOTH factions, not just the KDF; and I doubt anyone could make a case that the delay was somehow planned by Cryptic, just to further aggrivate the people who really want to see the KDF faction grow.
That be find an well if Cryptic did not go and say no more klingon content until your pop get bigger. Oh and by the way. You still not allow to create a klingon from start. So for every klingon there at least on federation toon. THose inflating the federation side.
Then you play the klingons and say. This sorry excuse is a faction. Forget I play federation.
How do I know that the case. Because that was me. I am sure I am not the only one. I kept quiet until the one year mark. I done staying quiet. It time to let cryptic now this is not acceptable.
The klingons are a hidden faction. ON the website. In the game. It no wonder no one playing them that couple with the pethic content since launch. No customization option. The Klingon feel like an after thought.
Something put together in five minutes. No I am sure they took more then five minutes. But that the feeling I get. Cryptic ask us to judge by the actions. We have. They never once consider Klingons important. Worth any serious dev time. The cite low population as a reason. Well it those not take a rocket science eto release a faction with hardly any content (pretty much none at launch), No customization option on character. and none on ships till the upper rank. That can only be play for over 400 days by creating a character on the fully developed faction up to Lt6 is going to have a low population.
Yes I know crypric is small. But then that my fault. There one that that said tell us what we you want we improve the klingons. Over a year later and every thing we want since launch we still waiting for. With noting in envelopment.
As for new ground combat. What those it matter when all you have are the same boring buggy mission to play.
New duty officer. Same thing if it a boring grind to get the next level and when you get to top the other side has way more toy. WHY BOTHER?
Limited staff resources my rear end. They have the graphic and content design teams to begin to push out series. They even spoke of increasing the rate they publish these series. They've had the crew to make shuttles, and fighters are on their way. They certainly have enough crew to continue to make costumes for Federation at a staggering rate.
Usually I back up Cryptic and I have up too this point more or less believed that Cryptic was going to make serious changes to the Klingons. This isn't the first time they've gone back on a promise. I was looking forward to a Klingon tutorial. I had this silent hope Klingons would at last get a much deserved and needed boost.
At this point I am very close to stop believing anything Cryptic promises. So what if the Federation got a bigger player base? I know it equals bigger proffit, but does that mean the money of the Klingon side isn't good enough? Seeing how the Klingons have been treated I dread to think of what they might do to a third faction, if or when Romulans become playable. Heck, the potential for a fourth faction, such as the Cardassians, will probably only be a dream if they are going to base everything on "playerbase". A Romulan faction might end up being about as large as a Klingon side, but I am quite certain only a handful will view their Cardassians as their mains.
(Though I would certainly love being a Cardassian. But that is another discussion.)
No, making ships, content and costumes shouldn't be about current player base. It should be about creating content so a side becomes more attractive, giving it a chance to grow and develop further, not keep making stuff for the one that's already sparkling. Follow that road and all other races ever added, if ever, will become nothing but hollow shells.
At this point Klingon players are being treated like second-class citizens with little but crumbs. I don't care if I get an infraction at this point. If this had been a real world where one could actually take action, the Klingon side would be close to revolution and rioting. Sadly, there is no way to riot or demand change other than to rant on this here forum.
I love Star Trek. And I like Star Trek Online. It is a good game. Its just that this isn't about player base. This is about one side being neglected, almost like an ethnic minority. In a way, that is what we Klingons have become. We are a player base minority and as such we aren't prioritized. Its not democratic, its harassment by neglect and as such its despotism.
I thought the Star Trek's Federation and the Star Trek Universe's bottom line was; "Equal Rights". This is hardly what the Klingons are getting.
I was going to shorten this but everytime I read it for areas to erase, I could not do so as it speak volumes of wisdom.
The last line though brings up a Fanfiction I read ( a crossover about the federation) and how its seems there idea of strengthing the weak is by bringing down those whom have built themselves up within the same existing system of society instead of brimng the weak up to the level of the strong.
Itwas an interesting read even if it did show Star Fleet as being a more than a little socialist.
And...IMOHPO...I refuse to do Foundry missions, period. No disrepect to those that took the time to make missions, but because I feel that paying subscribers shouldn't have to work to design their own content to make up for the developers lack of insight into what they need to keep their money machine working. Thats why they make the big bucks and not us paying subscribers who spent our hard earned money believing the promise of "A total imersion ito the World of Star Trek."
Just My Own Humble Personal Opnion, of course.
Have to agree here. I wont touch them. Just another way to excuse Cryptic from making content we pay for. Instead, lets do all the work for them....NOT
I do the KDF foundry missions becuase someone was fan enough to take the time to create one and I support best I can.
I take no stand against you and your beliefs though as it is the job of the Devs to add the content but Star Trek in general has a history of excellent fan productions and fictional narratives.
This is system related stuff. It's the same as an update to the launcher. It's a misleading argumet that it was designed for KDF too in mind.
Still no tutorial for Klingons. There's still the question - why do I have to create a FED toon (that will count to the FED playerbase) when I simply want to start with a different faction? What's so difficult to create independant tutorials?
The Klingon Homewolrd revamp is also a smart and laughable excuse since it's only what Starbase 1 got month ago and isn't realy needed.
It's not only delayed - it's delayed again again and again... we know how CRYPTIC works... and they obviously didn't changes since City of Heros nor Champions Online.
And as Koopa27 allready quoted - in case they want to add stuff - they could - not even CBS would mind cause they don't hold the nessessary rigths nor content for KDF or any other 3'rd faction.
As I have said before and say again, I do not want or believe in the KDf having equal content to the feds. It will not happen. (We can not out whine them- lol lol lol that a common KDF joke)
What I want and some if not many KDF fans want is meaningful gameplay both PvE and PvP.
Give me a damnible purpose to enjoy playing my fan favorite faction!
What else would any fan want of an MMO?
Limited staff resources my rear end. They have the graphic and content design teams to begin to push out series. They even spoke of increasing the rate they publish these series. They've had the crew to make shuttles, and fighters are on their way. They certainly have enough crew to continue to make costumes for Federation at a staggering rate.
Usually I back up Cryptic and I have up too this point more or less believed that Cryptic was going to make serious changes to the Klingons. This isn't the first time they've gone back on a promise. I was looking forward to a Klingon tutorial. I had this silent hope Klingons would at last get a much deserved and needed boost.
At this point I am very close to stop believing anything Cryptic promises. So what if the Federation got a bigger player base? I know it equals bigger proffit, but does that mean the money of the Klingon side isn't good enough? Seeing how the Klingons have been treated I dread to think of what they might do to a third faction, if or when Romulans become playable. Heck, the potential for a fourth faction, such as the Cardassians, will probably only be a dream if they are going to base everything on "playerbase". A Romulan faction might end up being about as large as a Klingon side, but I am quite certain only a handful will view their Cardassians as their mains.
(Though I would certainly love being a Cardassian. But that is another discussion.)
No, making ships, content and costumes shouldn't be about current player base. It should be about creating content so a side becomes more attractive, giving it a chance to grow and develop further, not keep making stuff for the one that's already sparkling. Follow that road and all other races ever added, if ever, will become nothing but hollow shells.
At this point Klingon players are being treated like second-class citizens with little but crumbs. I don't care if I get an infraction at this point. If this had been a real world where one could actually take action, the Klingon side would be close to revolution and rioting. Sadly, there is no way to riot or demand change other than to rant on this here forum.
I love Star Trek. And I like Star Trek Online. It is a good game. Its just that this isn't about player base. This is about one side being neglected, almost like an ethnic minority. In a way, that is what we Klingons have become. We are a player base minority and as such we aren't prioritized. Its not democratic, its harassment by neglect and as such its despotism.
I thought the Star Trek's Federation and the Star Trek Universe's bottom line was; "Equal Rights". This is hardly what the Klingons are getting.
There is nothing in this post I can disagree with.
You nknow - It is TERRIBLE - I mean yes, the Feds are getting a Duty Officer System and a Ground Combat and Ground Item update, while the poor KDF are getting....
a Duty Officer System and a Ground Combat and Ground Item update too <-- MORE proof the Devs are TOTALLY ingoring adding anything to the KDF while the Freds get...oh, wait....
I will give Cryptic credit for releasing system mechanics to the KDF at the same time as the Feds. Certainly is an improvement over past performance. You know, what with the delay in KDF-side playable Joined Trills. And KDF exploration missions. And a 200-day vet reward costume piece. And, oh, don't forget crafting. Hrm, I think that covers it.
So, yeah, no, that's great that we don't have to wait for those faction-agnostic system mechanics this time.
Think we'll get a font update in Season 5? Gosh, that'd be swell...
It's simply ridiculous isn't it? I remember listening to all them fancy interviews with Stahl and some of the other devs from the podcasts just last week, about how Season 4 would be a great super patch for the KDF. If you want to roll a Klingon, S4 would be the time to do it... Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but if you've already re-delayed the majority of previously promised features again Cryptic, then tell me; how the heck are we ever supposed to believe what you guys say?
It's simply ridiculous isn't it? I remember listening to all them fancy interviews with Stahl and some of the other devs from the podcasts just last week, about how Season 4 would be a great super patch for the KDF. If you want to roll a Klingon, S4 would be the time to do it... Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but if you've already re-delayed the majority of previously promised features again Cryptic, then tell me; how the heck are we ever supposed to believe what you guys say?
What I do not understand is why is so far only Klingon stuff getting postpone when 50% of the team was working on Klingon items. I meant that what I was told in post. Frankly they should post pone and push back season 4 if the Klingon items are not done. That would prove they commit to making the Klingon a viable faction. At least in my mind.
Yeah. It's really weird too. I mean, the team's already been through the day 45 patch. They KNOW how people react to that kind of thing. Why plug KDF stuff and then pull the plug on KDF stuff?
I for one only think the KDF really needs to get the basics, anything more and we become Starfleet flying around in carpeted vessels on soft beds with some random super weapon from some unknown episode of star trek smiling because our enemies have nothing, what i want is the basics.
1- what we have been promised, everything we were promised, keep your word or you have nothing
2-3 costume types per ship( both sides) especially when 1 of the 2(if you have 2) is revolting
3- A variety of ground costumes, for all species and aliens, i have had virtually the same options since beta!
4-When a new game mechanic comes out, give it to all factions at the same time or not at all, if that means stalling for a month then by all means do it.
Yeah. It's really weird too. I mean, the team's already been through the day 45 patch. They KNOW how people react to that kind of thing. Why plug KDF stuff and then pull the plug on KDF stuff?
It's surreal.
Probably because at the time they plugged the KDF stuff; the expectation and indication was that they WERE going to be able to get it all out on time. Do you guys really believe that they're just doing to to TRIBBLE with KDF players minds or something; or planned all this from the start, and want more bad publicity for STO? Seriously.
Also, most people equate 'pulling the plug' with outright cancellation. Unless all the screenshots twittered overr the last few months were somehow faked (aka pulling a 'Perpetual'); they haven't 'pulled the plug' on anything yet; they've announced a delay in releasing it until it's ready.
Probably because at the time they plugged the KDF stuff; the expectation and indication was that they WERE going to be able to get it all out on time. Do you guys really believe that they're just doing to to TRIBBLE with KDF players minds or something; or planned all this from the start, and want more bad publicity for STO? Seriously.
Yes, they do - otherwise it would be no problem at all to just delay the whole patch or do you think there's a FEDie siting behind DStahl with hist uber phasergun saying - Hey the patch can't be delayed or you and your family got wiped out by the UFP?
No - so the only reason is that CRYPTIC and DStahl doesn't care and even if they had to swear on the holy book they would lie.
Do you guys really believe that they're just doing to to TRIBBLE with KDF players minds or something; or planned all this from the start, and want more bad publicity for STO?
No, but they do seem to have this habit of brushing off KDF stuff until "later" or conveniently "forget" about that side of the game. Seems like whenever there's a time crunch, KDF stuff is the first to get the axe, because, hey, nobody plays KDF anyway, right? Am I right?
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I always think of This when reading those "you will get nothing and like it posts" HAHA!.
Seeing how the idea has been posted about the Rommies being split by the factions scares me into thinking that a merge of UFP and KDF could happen one day. They might think that this solution would "fix" the content gap and just work on a new faction with Rommies and someone else.
*shiver*
Swtor is coming up, and they are offering two solid factions. They are offering immersion, they are offering content, and they are offering heavy rp stories. To any normal mmo player that is tempting as hell, and you dont even need to be a star wars fan.
STO offers one solid faction, some good content, strong points on immersion, and some good stories. Sorry but sto cash cow thats a joke. If players have too choose between a one faction game, and swtor i think we know which one they will choose. It wont be long before sto becomes a drain for cryptics money and not a cash cow.
So i do hope the devs get off there rear ends and soon. Start worrying about giving people two solid, complete, and whole factions in sto. Otherwise all this other small stuff its not going to count for anything when swtor comes out.
Before someone starts saying i am going to jump ship lol, i dont plan on going to swtor, i plan on staying in sto.
the problem is that the foundry is not a good tool for leveling, it's time vs rewards factor is horrible, the wrapper mission either takes six hours or 5 minutes depending on what mission you take.
I'd be all for this, but the problem is they refuse to bump up the xp gains in the foundry because they are worried about exploits.
Been through this before with the 45 day patch, etc, etc, etc.
Same old same old really.
Content trickles in. MOST of it is fed side. KDF gets slightly retweaked fed stuff. With a select few KDF flavored things (8 PVE missions, 1 free uniform item, another on the way, a targ pet, a bat'leth).
The disparity is there. And really this thread simply vents frustration at the shell game that's continually taken place. It wouldn't be that big a deal if someone (not naming names here) hadn't tried to market season 4 as a klingon thing. Unfortunately they did.
And viola. Here we are again. 45 day patch version 2.0.
:P
You do realize that Both Stahl and his predecessor both have stated that doing Engineering reports is dangerous, because situations can change, development may not happen as quickly as they want when other things come up, and so forth.
This is why most MMO companies do not post this kind of information: They know they'll be called liars and promise-breakers if things don't work out the way they want when they want.
The KDF tutorial has been pushed back, not canceled. These things happen. I'm related to a dev on another MMO and he says the same thing. It's very dangerous to put the intentions out there because it's a given that not everything will work out according to the initial plan.
I too want PvE content for Klingons. I want to roll a Klingon alt (I have three, but they are more a change of pace right now because there's not much for them to do yet), but I have no problem being reasonable about tech development. I'm holding off on creating a new KDF character now until the tutorial is in (unless season 4 delivers solid post-tutorial content). I'm not interested in PvP at all; I'm hoping for more PvE content to flesh out the Klingon side of the game.
But I am willing to wait until they feel they have it right. If they release too early and it's not all is supposed to be, they'll get BBQed for that too. It remains to be seen what KDF content (sans tutorial) we may get in Season 4. Though I'm not promising anything.:)
*sigh* couldn't we at least get a decent kiss...?
And...IMOHPO...I refuse to do Foundry missions, period. No disrepect to those that took the time to make missions, but because I feel that paying subscribers shouldn't have to work to design their own content to make up for the developers lack of insight into what they need to keep their money machine working. Thats why they make the big bucks and not us paying subscribers who spent our hard earned money believing the promise of "A total imersion ito the World of Star Trek."
Just My Own Humble Personal Opnion, of course.
Time to roll this old quote out of mothballs ...
Last I heard, things should be ready by October!
it's been a year since we have been waiting for a klingon tutorial and starter experience, this is not a new concept but something klingons have been asked to wait for for over a year now.
thats just not acceptable, we've been patient, we've leveled feds up and waited for them to get the kdf sorted, we've drank the koolaid on this one too many times..
That was Dec 09. I think its safe to say people have been demanding more Klingon content. Whats up?
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Of course, Im hopeful Klingon stuff will change, Ive got 2 myself, 1 max the other just hit BG, but I can only grind the same missions so many times. If they open the other sector blocks more sorties would be fun, broken or not, I think its the only time I really feel like a Klingon. Thats what they should be doing, raiding anything they want, fighting anyone and everyone.
Have to agree here. I wont touch them. Just another way to excuse Cryptic from making content we pay for. Instead, lets do all the work for them....NOT
Many players have been asking for a way to create their own missions in game since before STO launched. And many players honestly enjoy making missions. They want to make missions, they want to pay $15 a month to make missions.
EDIT: Refusing to play Foundry missions isn't going to affect the devs not one little bit. But it does deprive you of playing some of the best content in the entire game. Many of the Foundry missions that I've played are far better than anything I've seen the devs create.
Yes I know that those players are adding content to the game that the developers should be adding to the game, but look at it this way: what should be happening isn't happening and it ain't gonna happen.
Let's be realistic for a minute. The developers aren't ever going to create enough missions for the Empire for a character to level up completely without grinding. Ever. It ain't going to happen. Heck, Dstahl even said it ain't going to happen.
So the best we can hope for is that they'll fix Qo'noS, give us a tutorial and some customization options and then go back to cranking out Fed only hairdos for the C-Store and leave us alone.
After watching them trying, and failing, to fix and balance stuff in this game (several times), I honestly believe that's the absolute best we can hope for.
a Duty Officer System and a Ground Combat and Ground Item update too <-- MORE proof the Devs are TOTALLY ingoring adding anything to the KDF while the Freds get...oh, wait....
And as far as the delayed tutorial and Level 1 - 5 content:
Oh, and don;t forget the Klingon Homeworld revamp (which from the screenshots and description seems a bit more involved then the ESD revamp; but I suppose we'll see at Season 4 launch (for those that stick around.
Ywes, thenew tutorial for both factions is delayed; and because it was tied to te new Academy buildings (Both KDF and Fed) - BOTH factions Academies are delayed.
So again, what's the logic in believing that somehow the KDF was singled out and purposely given the short end of the stick by Cryptic; while te Fed faction got everything promised for Saeson 4 lauch....oh, wait...
Yes, a promised feature got delayed; but it affected BOTH factions, not just the KDF; and I doubt anyone could make a case that the delay was somehow planned by Cryptic, just to further aggrivate the people who really want to see the KDF faction grow.
Still no tutorial for Klingons. There's still the question - why do I have to create a FED toon (that will count to the FED playerbase) when I simply want to start with a different faction? What's so difficult to create independant tutorials?
The Klingon Homewolrd revamp is also a smart and laughable excuse since it's only what Starbase 1 got month ago and isn't realy needed.
It's not only delayed - it's delayed again again and again... we know how CRYPTIC works... and they obviously didn't changes since City of Heros nor Champions Online.
And as Koopa27 allready quoted - in case they want to add stuff - they could - not even CBS would mind cause they don't hold the nessessary rigths nor content for KDF or any other 3'rd faction.
If you don't believe me about those interviews, look for em on Youtube, they're still there. Besides, the KDF was announced as a PvP only faction, yes; BUT it was done only 2 to 3 months prior to release when most people already had their preorder in. In my opinion that constitutes as a complete scam. If I had known that the KDF would be a 2nd grade faction in STO I would have NEVER gotten the game in the first place. Alas, did the preorder, neglected to check back in on the game expecting all them fancy interviews, previews and feature lists would be valid and... here I am...
As soon as the next kid on the block comes and provides me with a better list of features then I'll be ditching STO right away. I get the feeling that most people playing the game are of the same mindset as I am (the non lifers that is).
That be find an well if Cryptic did not go and say no more klingon content until your pop get bigger. Oh and by the way. You still not allow to create a klingon from start. So for every klingon there at least on federation toon. THose inflating the federation side.
Then you play the klingons and say. This sorry excuse is a faction. Forget I play federation.
How do I know that the case. Because that was me. I am sure I am not the only one. I kept quiet until the one year mark. I done staying quiet. It time to let cryptic now this is not acceptable.
The klingons are a hidden faction. ON the website. In the game. It no wonder no one playing them that couple with the pethic content since launch. No customization option. The Klingon feel like an after thought.
Something put together in five minutes. No I am sure they took more then five minutes. But that the feeling I get. Cryptic ask us to judge by the actions. We have. They never once consider Klingons important. Worth any serious dev time. The cite low population as a reason. Well it those not take a rocket science eto release a faction with hardly any content (pretty much none at launch), No customization option on character. and none on ships till the upper rank. That can only be play for over 400 days by creating a character on the fully developed faction up to Lt6 is going to have a low population.
Yes I know crypric is small. But then that my fault. There one that that said tell us what we you want we improve the klingons. Over a year later and every thing we want since launch we still waiting for. With noting in envelopment.
As for new ground combat. What those it matter when all you have are the same boring buggy mission to play.
New duty officer. Same thing if it a boring grind to get the next level and when you get to top the other side has way more toy. WHY BOTHER?
Actually that was a briliant statement on thier part as it does not give a year to reference.:p
We have a confirmation that it will be in, with a claim a day later that it's being postponed with the rest.
Now, which one is pulling our legs?
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The last line though brings up a Fanfiction I read ( a crossover about the federation) and how its seems there idea of strengthing the weak is by bringing down those whom have built themselves up within the same existing system of society instead of brimng the weak up to the level of the strong.
Itwas an interesting read even if it did show Star Fleet as being a more than a little socialist.
I do the KDF foundry missions becuase someone was fan enough to take the time to create one and I support best I can.
I take no stand against you and your beliefs though as it is the job of the Devs to add the content but Star Trek in general has a history of excellent fan productions and fictional narratives.
As I have said before and say again, I do not want or believe in the KDf having equal content to the feds. It will not happen. (We can not out whine them- lol lol lol that a common KDF joke)
What I want and some if not many KDF fans want is meaningful gameplay both PvE and PvP.
Give me a damnible purpose to enjoy playing my fan favorite faction!
What else would any fan want of an MMO?
There is nothing in this post I can disagree with.
So, yeah, no, that's great that we don't have to wait for those faction-agnostic system mechanics this time.
Think we'll get a font update in Season 5? Gosh, that'd be swell...
What I do not understand is why is so far only Klingon stuff getting postpone when 50% of the team was working on Klingon items. I meant that what I was told in post. Frankly they should post pone and push back season 4 if the Klingon items are not done. That would prove they commit to making the Klingon a viable faction. At least in my mind.
Yeah. It's really weird too. I mean, the team's already been through the day 45 patch. They KNOW how people react to that kind of thing. Why plug KDF stuff and then pull the plug on KDF stuff?
It's surreal.
1- what we have been promised, everything we were promised, keep your word or you have nothing
2-3 costume types per ship( both sides) especially when 1 of the 2(if you have 2) is revolting
3- A variety of ground costumes, for all species and aliens, i have had virtually the same options since beta!
4-When a new game mechanic comes out, give it to all factions at the same time or not at all, if that means stalling for a month then by all means do it.
Probably because at the time they plugged the KDF stuff; the expectation and indication was that they WERE going to be able to get it all out on time. Do you guys really believe that they're just doing to to TRIBBLE with KDF players minds or something; or planned all this from the start, and want more bad publicity for STO? Seriously.
Also, most people equate 'pulling the plug' with outright cancellation. Unless all the screenshots twittered overr the last few months were somehow faked (aka pulling a 'Perpetual'); they haven't 'pulled the plug' on anything yet; they've announced a delay in releasing it until it's ready.
No - so the only reason is that CRYPTIC and DStahl doesn't care and even if they had to swear on the holy book they would lie.