Reduce Primal Mighty Swing mass pvp efficiency

While everyone forgot that barb is a lot more vulnerable in human form... b:sweat

XXHotXx - Morai wrote: »

wtf you talking about barbs have few nice CCs

and i didnt ask to remove it, but to just nerf its efficiency mass-pvp wise, giving it a major cooldown or a chi cost

purify is a ******n 8% chance, and you have to actually receive damage to proc it...
R9rr has double the chance of the R8r purify proc, and you just stated the R8r rate.

not a plain free 60% chance...

in the time we proc a purify, you proced mighty swing 6 times ....
It's 50/50 chance between paralyze and freeze, if it's freeze you can distance shrink, they will have to catch up to you, if you are unable to do anything at all in the time you are not paralyzed, what are you doing, sleeping?

and how do you stay away from barbs since they have a natural gap closer (11ms speed)
They need to be in human form to use the skill

your logic is: it's ok to spam the proc, instead of fighting you just have to run around

gg logic rofl b:laugh

Like I stated before in a different post, as you won't argue with a "fake alt", your posts are full of incorrect and false statements, just stop and get your facts right already, you're making yourself look like an uninformed QQ'er.

Ofcourse you're going to be locked down if you get locked by multiple people, just like how a barb would be locked down if he encountered multiple wizards. Granted they know what they're doing.

Making paralyze not work through anti-stun and what not would just be... a normal stun.

If you can't handle human form barbs, learn to play.
or as the people would say
"Git Gud"

Evryn - Morai wrote: »

Keeping what is likely the strongest damage dealer on the opposing team from doing (much) harm isn't taunting. It's tactically removing an enemy asset, probably a strong one even.

Of course it's a strategy, but the point is : should a game allow that kind of strategy, and if yes, to what extend?

Imo, the game shouldn't allow that kind of strategy in a prolonged and indefinate way. It's a mechanism that has no other goal then pissing the target off and kill the fun for a specific person. Considering the case here, with the others in Hot's squad, locking him is not a strategic purpose. At least not entirely.

Only once in a blue moon it will be really be done in a strategic purpose that actually gets the using party a win. For me, any form of control should be able to be purified by purify from cleric/mystic/sage psychic. I'm perfectly fine with the fact that weapon proc or genie can't break it. The way it is now, some control skills are to often game killing.

trands wrote: »

Raging slap
Could mention some other things like clean sweap, but mainly wanted to point out the skill nearly no barb uses. Barbs got a great morai skill exactly to make use of their indestructible side when there is no real tanking role. On my server, there is only 1 barb that actually uses this for every 100 barbs that say exactly what you did.

Raging slap - disrupts the target and makes you aware of the "object's" presence in the battlefield, it doesn't cc or debuff or damage or anything, it just yells "hey where did my target go", those 8 seconds the target is able to do everything, only on a different target. But firstly u need to get melee range to do that...which a DD should be able to stop that easy.

Clean sweap is a luck based skill, that can either give u a great advantage or make u go human just for the lolz(i preffer the r8rr for that purpose tyvm).

XXHotXx - Morai wrote: »

do you actually know that it takes way way more than a gush or hailstorm to take down an endgame barb right?

what part of kitting and denying him to reach u.... didn't get to u?

just cc and happy continue your onslaught.

you cant land anything on anyone if you have a 1-2 seconds mirror between the first paralyze proc and the next one

kite

and how about the classes that cant leap?

gg?

The other classes have their own defense/cc capabilities, mind your own

a permanent stunlock with no counter (cept tidal) is that legit now?

perma with a 50-60% chance right? so now is not ok in single target pvp anymore right?
you want counter? KITE KITE KITE. you are not supposed to stay put like a tank and receive hits, thats why you are AA right?

what counter a barb has to be sure it does CC u and not activate puri proc?


if those barbs wanted to get more than just annoy me they should've called AA and in that case i would've been dead in matter of seconds...

but i wasnt the primary target, cause my other squadmates have deftly better DD output than me (deity archers, sin)

so you'rE mad that you ...a Wizard DD are getting stoped from dealing your smallest dmg out of all classes?

Just stop please.

slamstone wrote: »

Raging slap - disrupts the target and makes you aware of the "object's" presence in the battlefield, it doesn't cc or debuff or damage or anything, it just yells "hey where did my target go", those 8 seconds the target is able to do everything, only on a different target. But firstly u need to get melee range to do that...which a DD should be able to stop that easy.

A skill that forces an enemy to target the barb, THE tank class, is a great skill and something barbs needed. That skill is really powerfull in the hands of a good barb. It's a skill that saves squad members and wins NW maps, all that without being totally OP or plain annoying for a fellow player.

Evryn - Morai wrote: »

How else would you deal with a kiting wizzie whose hitpoints are so high that standard stuns are ineffective at locking it down long enough for DDs to deal with it? R9, JOSDs, +12 orbs, and now war avatars and the spirit stat give those characters a level of endurance that allows them to tank for short durations.

Hot's squad sure had a gear edge, but don't present it like the other side was TT60 only b:laugh

The reason Hot was factored out was because it was Hot. Considering his squad members, he wasn't the logic and obvious choice damage/skill/gear/class wise. While I don't really like Hot, I do find that the game shouldn't offer this kind easy taunting. Skills that totally factor out a player without being able to break in anyway shouldn't exist imo.

Evryn - Morai wrote: »

Agreed. But NOT the auto-purify from the R9. Imho, remove both that purify proc from R9, and the unbreakable nature of these stuns. That way -all- the R9 arcanes will have to rely on healers to keep them from being stunlocked consistently.

That would be taking out purify proc and have the primal mighty swing being no upgrade at all.
I would like to see that every cc can be purified by an ally, and "advanced" ones just not by purify proc and genie. Status that can't be purified by an ally should either not exist or be short lasting with long cd and good cast cost. Paralyze and godseal are real fun killers in group pvp. As soon as your name is slightly known, you're basically factored out the fights without any strategic reason.

why is there so much complaints on barb mighty swing, its just one stun.

Bm's has more stun than barbs.

wizzies do more damage than barbs.

all who complained about barbs being imbalanced are just plain weak players who depends on their gear and have no skill in real pvp.

its not the toon thats good its how you use the toon.

Complaints from weak players, without any real skill.

Archosaur - LordGrayBack

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

I just hope the new counter won't be even more broken.

We always say this, and yet it always is.

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Have Mighty Swing have a 15sec cooldown or cost 20 chi. Nobody said to completely remove it, it's good for Barbarians to have something new up their sleeve, but the way it's designed right now is pretty silly.

Although I highly doubt we'll see any actual modification to these paralyze skills but I'm expecting to see a counter to it in the near future if there are enough complaints. I just hope the new counter won't be even more broken.

I hope the new counter will counter all stuns. Because sure this is a paralyse not stun but really how much does it matter when multiple classes have so many stuns they can keep you looked all the time while you have anti stun only to prevent half of it? (and that include genie use that i would much prefer to use for different thigs) Makes the BM and sin arsenal still more potent than this 1 50% chance barb skill.

Suprprutty - Lost City wrote: »

Same concept at purify proc imo, it's not impossible to deal with but that doesn't mean its balanced. its a pretty strong/broken mechanic added on a skill that has 0 drawback for using it. Just like purify pro = 0 drawback, gof = you lose some HP

Why? Why do people keep saying Purify Spell has no cost when it requires someone to hit the user to activate it? Unless the target's significantly undergeared (as often seen vs upper/top geared arcanes in NW vs lower end targets "constantly triggering it"), the cost in receiving damage for a shot at its activation is still a cost/drawback all the same.

GoF? All you have to do is keep attacking the target with direct-damaging skills (which brings them that much closer to dying) That is already a favorable outcome....so it has a cost on the user's HP

Purge? Keep attacking and it'll eventually dispell the target's buffs, making them that much easier to kill. The cost? Nothing, save that it only works on skills without secondary effects and its fairly low trigger rate.

Purify Spell? Requires you to be attacked for a chance to get its effects, and depending on what is hitting you can be anywhere between barely any damage to a substantial amount.

Whether the effect is too strong for the cost is one thing, but it does have the drawback of being an effect that only triggers as a defense.

OPKossy wrote: »

Give ANY other class something like this and people would complain just as much. BM version has a cost and isn't spammable. Veno version has a cost and a major cooldown. Barb version? Yeah that one's kinda sorta totally screwed up and if it were suggested before Purify Spell existed (which not every class has access to, FYI) would have been laughed out of the forum as a ridiculously OP piece of junk that shouldn't ever come into existence.

It's the exact same problem all the skilled players who care about balance have with Purify: The barb version of this has far too many perks with no real drawback. And, to be frank, if you wanna claim having to get out of tiger form is a drawback then all I can do is laugh at you and classify you as one of those, "weak players, without any real skill," you were talking about.

Just because it's a MINOR drawback, does NOT mean that it isn't a drawback at all.

Yes the skilled barbs can really make it work for them, even without epic gear, and the ones who are in epic gear this skill is indeed oped/extremely difficult to (preemptively, and consistently) counter, still the dumb/insanely under-geared barbs can and will be hampered a bit by being in human form to spam this skill. after all barbs have lower defenses, and even slightly less hp while in human form. (People were saying the same about the purify proc, it was mainly the insanely uberly geared/skilled people who were really making that proc stupidly ridiculously oped/hard to counter.)


Also the fact that it has a 50% chance to EITHER paralyze or IMMOBILIZE... (technically its a 100% chance to do one or the other...) but still if it only immobilizes, most people should be able to do something... (stun/mana drain, push back (mystics), or something else)... to keep the barb from reusing the skill) to keep that barb from using that skill again.

One more thing about it, is the fact that it costs mana, and barbs have insanely low reserves of it, and there is a genie skill that can really take away a melee's mana pool, leaving that barb in human form/unable to cast the oped skill.

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I realize NONE of these are the major drawbacks ANYONE is wanting to see, but they ARE drawbacks nonetheless, as I pointed out in my first sentence just because it's a minor drawback does NOT mean it isn't a drawback at all.

In other words (this is a bit out of place) but meh nonetheless, I agree it is an rather oped skill, without any major/true drawback.

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

...trying to decide if trolling or...

I was just going by what I was told by others, that the genie mana drain skill can be haxed if used against a melee character, but aye I haven't witnessed that one first hand. :X

Edit: after doing some math, with the right genie (str stat in genie) and lvl 10 Qi manipulation, one could drain a whopping 1600 mana from a barb/melee character, and while it is indeed over 15 seconds, while the cooldown of the oped skill is indeed 6 seconds, it c o u l d potentially cause a barb/melee to back off of someone.

Now again I FULLY realize this is NOT the major drawback ANYONE is looking for but it IS a drawback. /edit

Gez you guys QQ a lot..

This is the only time that barb get a good CC in 1 year. For 5 years barbs only gotten 50% if sage or 60% demon for mighty swing. Compare that to other classes that are guaranteed to stun (sins) (Bms) etc. And dont say O our lvl 79 skill( untamed wraith) is a stun because it only 2 secs..

And good luck trying change might swing. It is barbs lvl 16 skills, it cant be change or all the other classes have to get their skills change. >.<