PvP in Secret Passage is now 100% allowed!

ChaoticShelly wrote: »

You seem to be a bit confused, Green avatar = mod, unpaid, volunteer forum moderator, not PWE employee. Red Avatar = PWE Employee. But yes, we have always served the community first and foremost. We always raise issues with Frankie, and push the community's needs before anyone else.

I agree PWE needs to be more aware of their community, and work according to it.

Not confused at all. I know you two are in-game, playing along side the rest of us. Are the GMs in-game and playing? Is Frankie? In short, are the paid employees of the company doing due diligence and experiencing their product along with their customer base?
Nope.

Ellisandro - Archosaur wrote: »

b:laugh it's a lack of maturity not wanting to be harassed and bullied while trying to enjoy playing a game?? that's rich..

unfortunately, the heads sellers will just get richer charging lowbies and people past frustration to help keep the bullies off long enough to get the absolutely necessary done.

b:surrender

Agreed. I play on PvE for relaxing fun, I don't want to suddenly get attacked out of the blue by a Stealth Sin. (can you tell I hate Sins, they are just too ridiculously OPd, and the way they PK is just cowardly)

BTW, most new players don't even know what buying heads is. Besides, what new player is going to charge Zen to powerlevel when their first few under 30s questing experience is horrible. Most likely they will leave the game.

ChaoticShelly wrote: »

You seem to be a bit confused, Green avatar = mod, unpaid, volunteer forum moderator, not PWE employee. Red Avatar = PWE Employee. But yes, we have always served the community first and foremost. We always raise issues with Frankie, and push the community's needs before anyone else.

I agree PWE needs to be more aware of their community, and work according to it.

You know what ?

I once had pretty mixed feelings about you, some people painted a very black image of you. But reading all your replies to this perticular thread, I do see you actually care b:victory

Just thought I shared, you know it's late, i'm tired..a bit of positive once in a while helps.

/inB4KrittyFeellingLeftAside

Ya, you are on my good side too

You guys are doing a good job, probably not a easy one, but a lot of respect and props for what your thinkings and what you can get done b:victory

Sir_Puma - Raging Tide wrote: »

You know what ?

I once had pretty mixed feelings about you, some people painted a very black image of you. But reading all your replies to this perticular thread, I do see you actually care b:victory

Just thought I shared, you know it's late, i'm tired..a bit of positive once in a while helps.

/inB4KrittyFeellingLeftAside

Ya, you are on my good side too

You guys are doing a good job, probably not a easy one, but a lot of respect and props for what your thinkings and what you can get done b:victory

+1

also, love your sig, puma. matches very closely my concept of playing any game. nicely said! b:victory

See, thats how you change a game, with the weight of the money you spend/dont spend as a player.

The players have the money, they hold the power.

I'd like to take this opportunity to encourage everyone who spends even a little money on this game to stop and encourage your friends to do the same. Every dollar you spend tells PW that theyre doing a good job, when it's obvious to most of us that they're incompetant, don't respect their players and try to pass failures as 'features'.


Frankie... Nobody believes your PR BS, you're not saving face for anyone. Get that --
whatever the devs are plugging your hole with -- out, because you're filling up and you're just gonna...well, blow up and smear it all over the place.

I'm sure this'll get me in troulbe, but remember: We hold the money; We hold the power.

Money speaks louder than posts.

frankieraye wrote: »

Hey all,


For our last patch, the developers decided to try something new - in keeping with the momentum of the PWIC tournament, they decided to give the players on the PW China servers a fully open PVP instance - they turned Secret Passage into a full PK zone.


Since our version almost 100% mirrors the Chinese version functionality-wise, we now have the same thing.


While this change is quite jarring, we think it will actually ultimately be a positive one, and for these reasons:


1. Players have been asking for a place to PVP without dropping gear for a long time. This new Secret Passage fulfills that role.

2. Secret Passage is not a mandatory instance for (edit: low-level) Spiritual Cultivation. Mobs needed for culti can be found just outside the instance as well.

3. Those who need to enter the Hall of Deception instance can use the various Illusion Stones in Archosaur (one is at 529,664).


So, in short, we're going to change this rule and monitor the situation. We do have a lot of high level players who would like to enter the world of PvP, and I believe that this new version of the Secret Passage will give them that opportunity.


So please let me know if you have any questions, and I'd like to mention a special thank you to KrittyCat who worked really hard to talk with and help players during this most interesting situation.

With all due respect frankieraye,

This is the dumbest thing you have ever done!! while the mobs may be outside the instance what about the bosses inside the instance needed for the cultivations as the oht cultivation requires it. Do you actually think before making game breaking changes? Apparently PWI has lost all concept of what its consumers (players) want. Rather than tell low levels to port into fb 29/bh29 having to pay think about the impact this has on low level players. This type of philosophy willl cause you to lose low level players and prevent further server growth. R.I.P. PWI. In all honesty i'll be suprised if PWI stays alive for a year after this change considering you just drove away new players. Also Which type of players did KRittyCat confer with pvp or pve players as I'm sorry but it sounds like only pvp players were the only ones conferred with. Just make a separate Instanced Version of Secret Passage if you feel so inclined to mirrior the chinese version so much as this is the International USA version not the Chinese Version.

DarkPlaces - Harshlands wrote: »

This thread is growing faster than I can read...

Really funny. Basically what they are saying is "We made some changes that totally mess up game policies (pk bannable in sp) and server properties (pve as opposed to pvp) and also prevent a lot of people from doing their quests. But people can hyper fc their levels anyway, so quests are not needed. Enjoy!"

Even funnier is the reaction from some players buying this bull.

AGREED! Like I also said before and I'll say it again, maybe Frankie will pass my comments on too...

- I'm on a PVE server, I like to do quests (and what to have a choice whether to do them or not)
- There are actually many quests/bosses in there, that we now cannot do (like I said I like doing my quests and I don't like the fact that I know don't have a choice but just can't do them - BS)
- Now we are forced to TP into these instaces every time for BH, yes 5k isn't a lot to high levels, but to noobs it is, especially after spending coin on skills and CS (to level)
- Make a separate instance for your pk place, other than questing areas (I do not agree with the cave of sadistic glee part, cuz there's quests in there too)
- Don't give me that BS about "you don't have to do your quests", they are there for a reason, I want to do them, it helps me learn my char and their skills, I enjoy doing quests, it's my CHOICE (which you have now taken away)
- Oh and also no one has really mentioned this, but TP'ing in there is not safe for noobs, as those mobs can actually kill them and then you're corpse is like stuck there, so you are forced to release and just try again...seriously - so if the instance is gonna stay as it is and we can are only then allowed to do bh29 by TP'ing considering moving those mobs are making TP in there safe (with also making the fee 0 as we are being forced to TP in).

TIP for SINS though, before you TP in, use stealth, it'll make your passage safe, CLERICS use a hp pot and put some IH on you before going in, and all other classes all you can do is use some HP pots before going in.

So basically they have a few choices: 1 - Leave instance as it is now, and we will QQ till it's fixed, 2 - Move all the bosses, quests items, mobs etc outside and make TP to BH29 free (like someone mentioned) - which I believe will be a lot more work than number 3 - Just make a separate instance where PK is enabled, that has nothing to do with questing or noobs passing through there.

Thanks for ruining part of the game PWI. Now none of our fac members will be able to complete OHT.

You people should be shot.

FooFooKity - Heavens Tear wrote: »

While I will agree that there is a need/want for an instance for no risk PVP, I dont believe that Secret Passage should be that instance. The whole point of having quests in a game is to allow everyone the ability to do them. I enjoy doing quests especially the lower level ones, yes they can be tedious but I still enjoy doing them as do many others. By stating that lower levels have no need to do specific quests that are located inside Secret Passage PW is saying dont bother spending your time to learn your class, go instantly from the creation page to FF heads. PVP needs to always be a choice on a PVE server and making PVP available in an area where there are quests removes that choice. Solution is simple remove pvp from secret passage, create a new instance where pvp is enabled and there are no quests in that instance for anyone. Anyone entering this instance will know that the only reason to be there is for PVP.

+1 b:victory

XDracona - Heavens Tear wrote: »

There's a link to the petition to change this back in my siggy below if anyone wants to vote. I sent a ticket in for the harassment of my faction and all I got was a big "**** you we're not going to do anything". Thanks a lot PWI....

The response you got is not much different than what others have been replied as well. I'm wondering if this means PKing people who are trying to complete quests in there is no longer harassment because "they don't have to do these quests".

I fail to see the logic in that, again, it's not about having to do them, it's about wanting to do them -- and choosing a low level instance where quests are a part of and the sole reason for low levels to enter to as a PK free instance, is not the right kind of decision.

ChaoticShelly wrote: »

The response you got is not much different than what others have been replied as well. I'm wondering if this means PKing people who are trying to complete quests in there is no longer harassment because "they don't have to do these quests".

I fail to see the logic in that, again, it's not about having to do them, it's about wanting to do them -- and choosing a low level instance where quests are a part of and the sole reason for low levels to enter to as a PK free instance, is not the right kind of decision.

I like you lol b:chuckle

Shelly, I got a question...you say you MODs are normal players right? Do you guys look like normal players in-game or do you have the green names? I don't think I've ever seen a MOD in-game. I've seen GM's like 3 times in my 2+ years of playing. And how exactly do you become a MOD?

ChaoticShelly wrote: »

We look like normal players. We have no special privileges in game or special gear b:thanks

I was recruited for being a contributing member to the community over at the Forsaken World forums and was brought up here (and currently mod here and here only due to my decision to dedicate myself to a game I play regularly) and Kritty and Fuzzy were selected by the community here in a poll we held. Krisnda was recommended by us due to his contribution here.

Cool thanks for reply XD