bm class made weaker?

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  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited June 2011
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    _blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I don't even think our GMs know that this was in the patch
    Pytharia - Lost City wrote: »
    I'm starting to doubt pwi's gms were even aware of this update when they put it up. They didn't add much into the patch notes like the dukes spamming until they noticed it and said they'll have a look at it for next update.

    Sounds very likely right? duke shouting, tt time back to 4 hours... I'm sure theres moreb:sad
  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited June 2011
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    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Relying on glitches is not proper balance. Getting skills to behave correctly is the first step to really addressing class balance.

    I have to disagree here; I'd consider that the second step. The gear differences should have been the first step as it is the main cause of imbalance in PvP. Everyone knows end game BMs already start out inherently underpowered because of Rank 9. BMs got **** on because everyone else can go Rank 9 without it affecting their DPS/DPH. BMs on the other hand using Rank 9 gear makes them lose too much interval to even consider getting it.

    A nerf of cancel casting would have been fine for me if end game BMs didn't already start out inherently weaker from gear, and then need to rely on CC or else they consume 2 sparks to get an elemental buff whereas archers / barbs / sins don't.

    Regardless of bugs, glitches, whatever you want to call it, end game BMs will never get the 60 attack level 20 attack level balance other classes can get without ruining their DPS.

    Edit: As the CC nerf orinated from PW-CN, half my argument would not be valid there because only PWI has the mass rank 9 problem... I'm assuming in PW-CN without all the Rank 9 it may have been a justified nerf, but as for PWI BMs, no way in freaking hell is it a balancing move vs the one shotting rank 9s here. GFG PWI.
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  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited June 2011
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    ^ You can get a few R9 pieces w/o losing any APS/DPS/etc...
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  • Ohaider - Dreamweaver
    Ohaider - Dreamweaver Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited June 2011
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    TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I have to disagree here; I'd consider that the second step. The gear differences should have been the first step as it is the main cause of imbalance in PvP. Everyone knows end game BMs already start out inherently underpowered because of Rank 9. BMs got **** on because everyone else can go Rank 9 without it affecting their DPS/DPH. BMs on the other hand using Rank 9 gear makes them lose too much interval to even consider getting it.

    A nerf of cancel casting would have been fine for me if end game BMs didn't already start out inherently weaker from gear, and then need to rely on CC or else they consume 2 sparks to get an elemental buff whereas archers / barbs / sins don't.

    Regardless of bugs, glitches, whatever you want to call it, end game BMs will never get the 90 attack level 20 attack level balance other classes can get without ruining their DPS.

    This. Buy hay guis....we could all go r9 for the spike damage against those arcanes? and just run from the other classes.
  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited June 2011
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    Ohaider - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    This. Buy hay guis....we could all go r9 for the spike damage against those arcanes? and just run from the other classes.

    Yeah...ALL of us Arcanes are so OP. I mean hell we can farm anything with our 5.0 and pew-pew most Classes within seconds while semi-afk.
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  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited June 2011
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    RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »
    ^ You can get a few R9 pieces w/o losing any APS...

    I'm aware of that, but that is only partially true. I assume you're talking demon perma sparked APS with a -.10 weapon.

    That isn't really realistic in PvP because BMs won't go around triple sparking in PvP, nor can they remain perma sparked. You still lose base aps (Ex: going down from 4aps to 3.33aps unsparked or in my case as I use a -.05 weapon down to 2.86), which is all a BM will really get in PvP.
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited June 2011
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    You wouldn't need 3+ aps and some elemental damage if your weapons had +60 attack level bonus with R9. They should really just release R9 for every BM weapon. Maybe R9 claw/fist alone with +30 attack levels and non-R9 interval gear would be good enough, certainly 30 more attack levels is higher damage than what your DBB can add.

    R9 for BMs was incomplete in the first place with only axes.
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  • Almon - Lost City
    Almon - Lost City Posts: 164 Arc User
    edited June 2011
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    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You wouldn't need 3+ aps and some elemental damage if your weapons had +60 attack level bonus with R9. They should really just release R9 for every BM weapon. Maybe R9 claw/fist alone with +30 attack levels and non-R9 interval gear would be good enough, certainly 30 more attack levels is higher damage than what your DBB can add.

    R9 for BMs was incomplete in the first place with only axes.

    It'll take more than that. A free fire dmg buff would be nice zzzz
    The skill was used for more than just extra dmg ._.
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  • Ohaider - Dreamweaver
    Ohaider - Dreamweaver Posts: 18 Arc User
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    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You wouldn't need 3+ aps and some elemental damage if your weapons had +60 attack level bonus with R9. They should really just release R9 for every BM weapon. Maybe R9 claw/fist alone with +30 attack levels and non-R9 interval gear would be good enough, certainly 30 more attack levels is higher damage than what your DBB can add.

    R9 for BMs was incomplete in the first place with only axes.

    Forgive me if im wrong I dont claim to be a expert at math by far. Woulnd't taking us down to 3/aps with +30 attack lvls still be less damage with 5/aps with no attack lvl bonus?
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited June 2011
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    Not having DBB available because of this change is understandable because of the cost in sparks, but it's not like you can't use Heel during your stun...
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  • Devoted - Lost City
    Devoted - Lost City Posts: 3,634 Arc User
    edited June 2011
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    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Not having DBB available because of this change is understandable because of the cost in sparks, but it's not like you can't use Heel during your stun...

    Not worth it.
  • Devoted - Lost City
    Devoted - Lost City Posts: 3,634 Arc User
    edited June 2011
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    Also, Josh, do you understand how a F2P game operates? I'm not asking in a condescending way I'm actually curious if you know the methodology PW has behind every decision they make.
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited June 2011
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    Also, does Heel really take 3.33 to 5?
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  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited June 2011
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    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Also, does Heel really take 3.33 to 5?

    it takes 3.33 to 4 and 4 to 5
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited June 2011
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    Devoted - Lost City wrote: »
    Also, Josh, do you understand how a F2P game operates? I'm not asking in a condescending way I'm actually curious if you know the methodology PW has behind every decision they make.

    Most set up a game and make certain items availible only via cash shop, for example my new game has smexy undies as a CS only item for your toon (it gets stripped as things nuke it, and stop looking at me like that >.>)

    PWI just puts w/e is most demanded in game in CS then screws with things in game to force people to reroll/regear over and over. Kinda asumeing this is an intentional gimp on bm's to force rank 9/reroll tbh. Would like to hear w/e half assed excuse the gm's give though.

    In short everything is done to create imbalance forceign players to spend. I could be massivly wrong here but that would be my opinion.
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
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    Ohaider - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Forgive me if im wrong I dont claim to be a expert at math by far. Woulnd't taking us down to 3/aps with +30 attack lvls still be less damage with 5/aps with no attack lvl bonus?

    It would still deal less, still with the higher base damage on g 16 fist/claws and w/e ungodly proc they give it (probobly GoF like every other rank 9 mele weapon, real creative there PW staff) the damage would come out around waht a full CCed bm would have pre nerf.
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  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited June 2011
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    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Most set up a game and make certain items availible only via cash shop, for example my new game has smexy undies as a CS only item for your toon (it gets stripped as things nuke it, and stop looking at me like that >.>)

    PWI just puts w/e is most demanded in game in CS then screws with things in game to force people to reroll/regear over and over. Kinda asumeing this is an intentional gimp on bm's to force rank 9/reroll tbh. Would like to hear w/e half assed excuse the gm's give though.

    In short everything is done to create imbalance forceign players to spend. I could be massivly wrong here but that would be my opinion.

    wtf game is this? send me a pm about it lol sounds ..... interesting.
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
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    Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    wtf game is this? send me a pm about it lol sounds ..... interesting.

    Go poke the bm forums i have a thread up about where we're all going lol.
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  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
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    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Go poke the bm forums i have a thread up about where we're all going lol.

    link? there is a thread talking about a bunch of different games but i cant tell which one your talking about lol.
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited June 2011
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    Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    link? there is a thread talking about a bunch of different games but i cant tell which one your talking about lol.

    Vindictus

    Think MMO + legend of zelda

    Shooting bosses with a hookshot = win

    Just hit 40 on my Evie and mobs are now useing enviormental objects and offhand weapons o.o just had a Yeti throw a grenade at me <3
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  • Siege - Dreamweaver
    Siege - Dreamweaver Posts: 241 Arc User
    edited June 2011
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    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Vindictus

    Think MMO + legend of zelda

    Shooting bosses with a hookshot = win

    It is one hell of a game, started a month or so ago and yes hookshots are win lol. The game gets even better at 40, trust me. Not going to reveal why due to it spoiling part of the story of the game.
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
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    Siege - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    It is one hell of a game, started a month or so ago and yes hookshots are win lol. The game gets even better at 40, trust me. Not going to reveal why due to it spoiling part of the story of the game.

    Please dont lol, Seeing Elis get brutaly murderd by Kalis was just the best thing ever in an mmo.

    NPC picked up and slowly beaten to death against an iron gate because you sent him into a war zone = sadistic grin (43 now what server are you on?)
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  • Toxic - Dreamweaver
    Toxic - Dreamweaver Posts: 239 Arc User
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    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Please dont lol, Seeing Elis get brutaly murderd by Kalis was just the best thing ever in an mmo.

    NPC picked up and slowly beaten to death against an iron gate because you sent him into a war zone = sadistic grin

    Haha I felt so bad when that happened. b:cry
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited June 2011
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    Toxic - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Haha I felt so bad when that happened. b:cry

    your a bad person

    Also the fact that PWE is loseing players to the company that made maple story? priceless
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  • Siege - Dreamweaver
    Siege - Dreamweaver Posts: 241 Arc User
    edited June 2011
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    I'm 52 on east server and yes it was entertaining but sad at the same time D: I'm a hybrid of sword/spear Lann, sword being my favorite so far though.
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
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    Siege - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I'm 52 on east server and yes it was entertaining but sad at the same time D: I'm a hybrid of sword/spear Lann, sword being my favorite so far though.

    Ah poke me next time your on, pure cloth armor staff Evie Named Feltalio (they wouldent let me spell it right Q.Q)
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  • Siege - Dreamweaver
    Siege - Dreamweaver Posts: 241 Arc User
    edited June 2011
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    Will do, not sure if I'm gonna stay Lann once Karok comes out on the 15th though, his intro video was just bad ***. Also leveling a scythe Evie xD I'm in love with their blink skill. b:surrender
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
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    Siege - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Will do, not sure if I'm gonna stay Lann once Karok comes out on the 15th though, his intro video was just bad ***. Also leveling a scythe Evie xD I'm in love with their blink skill. b:surrender

    I'm wonderign if he'll be able to grapple the superlarge raid bosses as well. I mean it takes multiple chain hooks to down em would be kinda OP if he could throw white tyrant around like a rag doll.
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  • fred12121
    fred12121 Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited June 2011
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    i see bms quit/reroll now = more ppl making fishs because they dont have balls to make other class that compete in pvp
    rename PWI to aquarium online
  • ArchSaber - Sanctuary
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited June 2011
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    I might go start playing Silkroad nao
    AP classes are a real butt pounding...

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