"Noob cause dont have a Herc"

Yamiino... you say that if a pet keeps more then one mob it will most likely die. Sorry but I will have to disagree with you.
my flogling (yes a freaking frogling yeh) can take about 3 mobs of it's own lvl. Depending on what mob it is I can freely attack too. If a frogling can keep 3 mobs without trouble... then a golem can for sure. b:bye Yes, herc might be superiour in aoe grinding, but there aren't much people left that grind nowadays.


A lot of squads have no sense of the game at all.
I saw someone looking for a barb or a herc'd veno for bh59... I decided to pm, if they want a barb, they must have a cleric already.
person: what class?
me: veno
person: you have a herc?
me: you have a cleric?
person: yes
me: invite me, I can tank those bosses when a cleric heals me, any magic class can, bosses only do damage over time at range.
person: we need a tank
me: -.- I can tank

Some people just don't get it do they? b:bye

nice topic b:thanks. and yea i get soooooooo freking pissed off on how i get rejected from fc squads just because i dont have a dam herc. obviously i am trying and trying to save as much money as possible just to get the dam fat **** while watching my equips fail miserably. and yea my walker can tank most of the bosses in fc that a herc can yet so many ignorant people "needs" a herc veno. and yea if you chose a barb or a cleric, u kinda need high repair/pot costs. if u dont like it, just dont play a barb...

Dralighte - Harshlands wrote: »

People want a hercule for 2 reasons: Get a cleric and a barb more quickly. Why?

Do you know how much a barb must pay for his reperation? Idk, I stopt few week ago, but a lot. They can pay for 100k each week if he plays a lot.

And, a cleric will not need to use his/her charm/pots to heal the barb at each boss.


I dont care for hercule, exept for FC exept if the barb & the cleric want

What? Barbs only need to pay 100k each week for repair costs? I can't believe they get first pick during TT runs just for that! ...Unless you mean that's for a 3x or 4x barb.

Anyway, my main is a veno. Lvl 80 now and don't have a herc. b:cry

Do I think I'm a noob just because I don't have one? No.

Would it make me a better player? No.

Is a herc incredibly useful? Well I don't have one so I don't know for sure, but I would say yes.

I don't know how many times people in my faction have asked for help with General Feng, Kimsa the Claw King, Quillhog King, Garagantakong King, etc. These are all bosses that I can't tank without a herc (unless I have other venos helping me with healing). Not to mention that with a herc I can go solo TT squad mode. (Yes I know that most of the drops are worth **** now, but I still want to do it just to say I can.)

Herc is, quite unfortunately, the easy way out. You WILL be expected to pretty much tank EVERYTHING, regardless of how stupid it is to have to tank it... Parties don't want to go to any real effort themselves, and if a Veno can sit there and do all the heavy lifting, that makes things so much easier for everyone else. I lost count of the bosses I tanked due to my damned blob. Yet, despite the fact that a barb could do SO much better, and actually allow me to use skills that would make everything faster, and easier for everyone else... You will not find high level parties that don't expect you to tank with a Herc. I had a debuff Pet, which I could use beside me to lower P-Def, and M-Def and cancel channeling, while I casted Amplify Damage, to make the boss take more damage, and Befuddling Mist, to cause the boss to miss more, making the tank happy. The thing that reallllllly made me mad, is when they expect the Veno to tank something that buffs itself. When you're spam healing, and have no time to do anything but spam heal, and the boss suddenly decided to buff himself with more attack, or defense, or hell, all of the above, and you can't purge, and instead have to watch larger numbers appear over your pet, and smaller numbers appear over the boss... It kinda sucks.

axt57 wrote: »

I hope you know that even with those (herc) buffs its still inferior to herc in pretty much every way.

Unless you got the pet skills free, huge waste of money... but then again you have 2 nix so I guess throwing money away is OK with you.

Strong and Reflect I farmed in Dragon Temple. Protect was bought for 5 mil. Much cheaper. b:chuckle
But yes, I know fully well the limitations of a buffed magmite compared to a herc, having lvled a Bless'd herc to 95 on a different server. There is one niche that a magmite is superior to a herc, however, and that is in PK. A magmite's base physical attack is much higher than a herc's (probably the highest land pet's phys attack in the game other than scorpions), thus, its Flesh Ream does a lot more damage).

As for the two nixes, my first I spent $150 on at the beginning of the server (I couldn't help but cave in when the 5x veno with a nix hit 90 when I hit 70 with my sawfly b:surrender), the second I got as a birthday gift from Bloop b:cute

kenlee wrote: »

if you ask my opinion, your are kinda noob and let me explain why.
ive spend like probably 20-30 bucks in like a year (for charms mostly) and i have herc/nix and some event items and im not the only one. even if you play for free its not an excuse to not work hard and get one.

and no if you reply back with... "do you have 5 aps?" or stupid things like that... it cost them 10 times more than a pet to get that.

Sorry but this is stupid... Even if you spent 1M coin/level on leveling a skill to L10, that'd be an equivalent cost of $27.00. The equivalent cost for acquiring a Hercules is $186.55. Asking if you've spent $27 when you're asking if I've spent $180 isn't "stupid things like that." Refining a weapon to +7 costs $120.15 and is on par with those demanding a Hercules... so there's a better counter-challenge. If someone is DEMANDING a herc-veno and their weapon is less than +7, tell them to invest in their OWN character as much as they expect you to invest in yours or you can conclude that they are selfish morons that don't even really know how to play the game (and therefore you wouldn't want to squad with them anyway).

As far as grind for a herc... if you make 200k coin/hr it will take ~300 hours to get the 9,999 SoF you need presuming you can find them for 6k a pop or less (or better buy gold when it's cheap). 300 hours at 4 hours a day is 75 days... if you played 4 hours a day (which is a lot for people with work or school) 7 days a week that's still 10 weeks straight... mindless grinding to get a "must have" pet... doesnt' sound like being lazy to avoid that and maybe do a few BHs or TTs to learn how to run instances and work with a squad, so let's say you only grind 5 days a week and actually play the game on weekends... so we're up to 15 weeks... 3-1/2 months of grinding 5 days a week to get a herc... what kind of time or money investment did the people demanding a herc put into their character? They'd better have +7 weapon, which is still LESS EXPENSIVE than a herc, or tell them to take a hike.

I'll take a veno without a herc that knows what she's doing any day over a herc-veno without a clue (rich does not necessarily equate to capable).

Thelas_Carr - Sanctuary wrote: »

Even if you spent 1M coin/level on leveling a skill to L10, that'd be an equivalent cost of $27.00.

Edit: misread that.

advice is hard cuz its the others being mistaken for laughing at u for being non-herc-veno =/, run with friends that knwo u r strong would be my best advice =/ but of cuz that limits u. or if possible run wiht the stupied guys tank without trouble laugh to their face afterwards and go off with a smile ^^

IzzyLilBunny - Heavens Tear wrote: »

OH shut up, do you even know if she CAN or WANTS to spend real money on a game, I haven't spent one $, and im on my way to herc, already having a nix + good gear and fish mount. It gets easier when you lvl up, I don't wanna hear anything like that from a person who uses real money. SO shut up kthxbai.

are you that dense? since when 30$ on charms over a year buy you a herc + nix + event gear? better think before writing. its more like a small contribution for the game, i wont buy items with $


oh and for those who said that there are plenty of better venos w/o herc. first off they are bad coz they have no idea how to get one or lazy... both reasons dont make them better, especially at 9x. also i know what magmite and other junk pets can do and herc can do. it might work decent at lower lvls but at higher lvl they fail

Thelas_Carr - Sanctuary wrote: »

Sorry but this is stupid... Even if you spent 1M coin/level on leveling a skill to L10, that'd be an equivalent cost of $27.00. The equivalent cost for acquiring a Hercules is $186.55. Asking if you've spent $27 when you're asking if I've spent $180 isn't "stupid things like that." Refining a weapon to +7 costs $120.15 and is on par with those demanding a Hercules... so there's a better counter-challenge. If someone is DEMANDING a herc-veno and their weapon is less than +7, tell them to invest in their OWN character as much as they expect you to invest in yours or you can conclude that they are selfish morons that don't even really know how to play the game (and therefore you wouldn't want to squad with them anyway).

As far as grind for a herc... if you make 200k coin/hr it will take ~300 hours to get the 9,999 SoF you need presuming you can find them for 6k a pop or less (or better buy gold when it's cheap). 300 hours at 4 hours a day is 75 days... if you played 4 hours a day (which is a lot for people with work or school) 7 days a week that's still 10 weeks straight... mindless grinding to get a "must have" pet... doesnt' sound like being lazy to avoid that and maybe do a few BHs or TTs to learn how to run instances and work with a squad, so let's say you only grind 5 days a week and actually play the game on weekends... so we're up to 15 weeks... 3-1/2 months of grinding 5 days a week to get a herc... what kind of time or money investment did the people demanding a herc put into their character? They'd better have +7 weapon, which is still LESS EXPENSIVE than a herc, or tell them to take a hike.

I'll take a veno without a herc that knows what she's doing any day over a herc-veno without a clue (rich does not necessarily equate to capable).

i said doent even compare herc with 5 aps and you come with this stupid argument. any idea how much it cost to get 5aps? btw, it takes a month or so to get a herc/nix and nobody force you to grind but this is a reason i can make money off others. if ppl knew how to make so money we were all the same

Sinalee - Dreamweaver wrote: »

advice is hard cuz its the others being mistaken for laughing at u for being non-herc-veno =/, run with friends that knwo u r strong would be my best advice =/ but of cuz that limits u. or if possible run wiht the stupied guys tank without trouble laugh to their face afterwards and go off with a smile ^^

The problem is that not many venos know what their class can do. As a consequence, even fewer players of other classes are aware of what venos are good for. All they know is that venos are bad DD and can only tank high bosses with herc.

Reichle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Uhg, ANOTHER one. Stop saying that the only way to succeed as a veno is to spend lots of money on a pet. It's the player that makes the veno, not the pet. A veno is not a fail just because they didnt spend millions of ingame coins or hundreds of RL money to buy some ugly **** big yellow baby. b:bye

how can you succeed as a veno if you start as saying such ****? pets are part of the veno playstyle, play with the junk ones and you will end up soloing mostly coz nobody inv you to anything. you will need constantly help from others at high lvls, how can you reduce tank costs or farm your own gear and help faction or what not with such rigid view that venos are good w/o pets? now taking this to a deeper lvl like pvp, sawfly is nothing compared to a nix but again here in this thread post only lowbies and ppl that have no idea how to succeed in this game.

hanging around with friends and helping with noob quests is one thing but if you want to be in a top guild and such, you need to start thinking that you wont suceed like that. some venos want to be on the same rank as all the other venos but dont want to spend the time/work that others did it to get there.

kenlee wrote: »

but again here in this thread post only lowbies and ppl that have no idea how to succeed in this game.

Don't forget the avatarless forum trolls. One seems to be posting in this thread as well.

And as a 91 Veno WITH a Herc, I will say one thing. Sometimes, you just have to go along with the noobs if you want any chance of succeeding. I loathed those idiots who wouldn't party with me without a Herc. So, you know what I did? I got the damned thing, and discovered a lovely, lovely thing. I no longer needed squads. So, it's quite funny, TBH, that parties won't accept you without a Herc, when you don't need them once you do obtain a Herc. There is a very, very small percentage of this game you can not do alone with a Herc, and that percentage is where you take you friends and faction into, due to the difficulty of it, not some random party noobs that you can't trust.

It will be hard, especially now that prices are through the roof, and it will take a ton of patience, but you can earn a Herc without cash. And once you do, YOU get to call the shots. And that is worth more than any price tag.

Waterfal - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yamiino... you say that if a pet keeps more then one mob it will most likely die. Sorry but I will have to disagree with you.
my flogling (yes a freaking frogling yeh) can take about 3 mobs of it's own lvl. Depending on what mob it is I can freely attack too. If a frogling can keep 3 mobs without trouble... then a golem can for sure. b:bye Yes, herc might be superiour in aoe grinding, but there aren't much people left that grind nowadays.

Was pretty much reffering on instances :P no one needs world mobs to be tanked, even a lv 30 piggy can tank a lv 40 mob ^^ (proved), and yes I'm one of those who grind. I lvled my veno from scratch to lv 40 (did like 5 quests... all the other exp came out of grinding), then started doing bhs, yet i still grind a lot. Just read bellow, thats what I wanted to say.

Dralighte - Harshlands wrote: »

lol... Ask your friend to tank a boss of her level (Not a boss who are impossible with a barb) and put it on a video. First time I heard a wolf can tank. ...

Exactly.

ManeK - Harshlands wrote: »

i hate the way people disrespect venos and clerics in this game...
veno gets rejected for not having a herc
cleric gets flamed for people dying in the party during BH runs

Tell be about it, I have both classes lol, yet my fave is still Cleric no matter what b:pleased though there are some clerics (I have seen it on my veno) that they think they can tank whatever they wants (even in fbs), when they are 5 lvls lower than the boss, yes there are noobs for everything, some people did not born to be a support class, or atleast learn to not take aggro or atleast know how to protect yourself from it.

And yes I hate when people blame the cleric from dieing when the fault was of someone else, usually by people following stealth assassins agroing everything on the way without even attacking them so the cleric heals, the cleric aggros all, the cleric dies, "noob cleric" comment comes up, then it aggros everyone else, they die, and again the comment "noob cleric". Who's fault was it? not the cleric's period.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

^.You still need squads in certain FB/BHs as Herc can't do the damage a Barb can.

According to what a herc veno told me in TT, a herc can deal around 10k / sec. due to reflect. Might or not be true, but if its true, a barb can't deal as much on a TT boss. Not even magic classes which have the highest damage deal that much, as much they deal 3k-4k and thats a lot for TT caster classes.

I don't know how much a lv 45 barb can deal on qingzi (the current bhs im doing on veno), but herc reflects around ~800 (reflect) + ~400 (herc damage), that makes 1.2k per second or even more. I remember my cleric was able to deal around ~1-1.5k at those levels (when bh did not even exist).

Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »

Don't forget the avatarless forum trolls. One seems to be posting in this thread as well.

And as a 91 Veno WITH a Herc, I will say one thing. Sometimes, you just have to go along with the noobs if you want any chance of succeeding. I loathed those idiots who wouldn't party with me without a Herc. So, you know what I did? I got the damned thing, and discovered a lovely, lovely thing. I no longer needed squads. So, it's quite funny, TBH, that parties won't accept you without a Herc, when you don't need them once you do obtain a Herc. There is a very, very small percentage of this game you can not do alone with a Herc, and that percentage is where you take you friends and faction into, due to the difficulty of it, not some random party noobs that you can't trust.

It will be hard, especially now that prices are through the roof, and it will take a ton of patience, but you can earn a Herc without cash. And once you do, YOU get to call the shots. And that is worth more than any price tag.

LOL so true, even barbs look for my bh29 run with herc XD I can solo it pretty much, have done it before. I pretty much just invite people in secret passage because I have used my run, so i just squad with one or two just for the invite :P YES JUST FOR THE INVITE WE DONT NEED FAIL SQUADS TY. Wish it was this way for clerics as well... but meh we cant get all we want.

Its not a lie a veno can solo a TT when any other class cant, sure, it may take longer, but herc is a pretty nice deal, if you get one, you wont need any other ground pet anymore, you'll just need a fly pet, and a water pet (which fly pet it is recommended a nix but you can just get a herc first and farm for the nix, thats what im doing atm.)

kenlee wrote: »

how can you succeed as a veno if you start as saying such ****? pets are part of the veno playstyle, play with the junk ones and you will end up soloing mostly coz nobody inv you to anything. you will need constantly help from others at high lvls, how can you reduce tank costs or farm your own gear and help faction or what not with such rigid view that venos are good w/o pets? now taking this to a deeper lvl like pvp, sawfly is nothing compared to a nix but again here in this thread post only lowbies and ppl that have no idea how to succeed in this game.

hanging around with friends and helping with noob quests is one thing but if you want to be in a top guild and such, you need to start thinking that you wont suceed like that. some venos want to be on the same rank as all the other venos but dont want to spend the time/work that others did it to get there.

A pet is not junk just because its not a nix or herc. And the people who dont invite a veno just because she doesnt have a herc are noobs.
As for the help, this is an MMORPG. People are SUPPOSED to help each other at some point in time, even blatantly forced to do so (ex. TT).
And as for the lowbies comment, BEING HIGH LEVEL DOES NOT MAKE YOU AN EXPERT. Especially if you lamely cash shopped like 50 of your levels.
Not everyone cares about being in a "top guild" full of a bunch of jerks that judge you based on how much money you spent on the game.

Why do people hate on venos with herc? I see many venos (as well as other classes) saying that veno with herc sucks... There are as many venos without herc that fail as there are venos with herc that fail. Yes, I agree that it's sad that venos without herc don't get invited to squads much, but that doesn't mean that venos with herc should get flamed like this....