reasons why you want or dont want sins in ur squad

Anjin_fujiko - Sanctuary wrote: »

Lets start out with I play a lvl 84 herc veno, 85 axe/pole/blades BM, 79 cleric and 70 barb.

I have no problem squad up with any class as long as they follow my protocol on squad run

1. as a Barb I tank and take back aggro if cleric happen to get aggro. Any other class that steal aggro from me you on your own until whatever I tank die. (I also PM cleric to heal me only until all mobs dead before healing the rest.

2. Any idiot that want to show up skill and their ability run ahead of squad get aggro will be on their own bottom.

3. I always ask for lead of the squad once if form up. Anyone that mess up in my squad will get 1 warning and the second time it happen that person get kick out of squad.

As a cleric I also let the squad know that my jobs is to keep the tank alive and not the squad. So anyone that **** around use their own pot to heal and stay alive until my tank is safe. I wont BB unless that require to keep the barb and me alive. Everyone have their pot and genie use it, my charm is not free. Anyone one bit,ch at me for not healing them while barb tanking wont get rez if they die. So my cleric rule is do your job and dont die, or steal aggro from my tank.

Those same rule apply to my BM and veno too when I am in someone else squad. I heal my self and control my DD. I dont expect Barb to take care of my mess up or play aggro ping pong just because I am capable of taking aggro.

Anjin_fujiko - Sanctuary wrote: »

Most of you thinking that I am nut, crazy or a noobs as a cleric but with those simple rule I use none of my squad ever gettin wipe. It's fine for most of you to run into mobs aggro what ever with in range then run to me to get heal or expect me to hold up a BB so the squad dont get wipe, how many of you accidently aggro to many mobs and run away from squad and die to keep squad from getting wipe? or is it everytime you get more than you can handle you run to the cleric and get heal, becuase that is what I see most of the time go get mess up and then come running for heal or for barb to take all the aggro off from you. Sorry, but it not my jobs to save your **** for being stupid. Once everyone know that they just cant run and aggro everything and expect to get heal then they all behave and work as a team.

It easy for you to die and get rez it cost you .1% of your XP as lvl 10 rez, but if a cleric die, she or he have to go to town and that cost some where between 1 to 3% XP, dont tell me to get the GA, that cost money to buy too, have any of you ever come and offer a cleric a free GA when doing a hard boss?

Everyone expect a cleric to get the squad heal and their MP charm tick to no end, to heal you and get heal aggro and die, to go to town and lose XP but it not OK for their HP charm to tick or to use their own pot and GA that is as lame as it get.

So in short in squad behave do your jobs and no one die. Dont show off your skill or ability for no one really care, get what ever we squad up for done and everyone come out happy. Mess up an you will pay for it.

LuneLain - Lost City wrote: »

nice, 22 pages and yet someone has to say it;

It's not the class, it's the player that you want in your squad or not.

You can have the most various squad set ups to do the same quests/runs, 'cause the class doesn't matter at all, it's the player that you value.

Offcourse i will have friend sin players in my squad, and yes i will even have sin players invited that i don't know. But if they appear to be hardheaded noobs then they're not getting in another squad with me. It's that simple. By the way that goes to all other classes. Since you can get a party wipe by any other class player.

And as last to share my experience with my friend sin players;

I'll prefer them over any other DD class, 'cause in their hands the Sin class is just freaking great.

Evict - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This topic was to discuss why you do/don't want sins in your squad.

Sint - Harshlands wrote: »

reason i dont like sins in my squad:

Arrogance irks me. Their dmg is not that much better than mine, and i am more than able to save my own **** if a mob is coming for it. (aim low, anyone?) Also, i do not enjoy getting to hear a sin rave about how awesomely op he is for any amount of time.

Sins seem to get especially cocky against archers, since sin v archer pvp is a joke.

There was a time when i was the reason for squad wipe. Over the lvls i kinda developed a reflex that when my hp gets lower that 10-20%(depends on which situation: boss=20%, normal and elites 10%) i instantly force stealth....and yeah i managed to do so in the bh....well wasn'T that good since my squad was near and fighting aswell....so all my aggroed mobs went to meet my squad members. one side seemed to be happy to meet some new pals and the other obviously not since they had a meeting with the deathgod.

Assassin does just fine in any squad, its the others in the squad that are most likely stupid.

who are you to judge us for our sins? :O you were the one who started QQ-ing about assassins **** squads up like you were oh so perfect. just please stop posting.

I've seen a lot of fail players, how bout a barb that double sparked and got mad at me for stealing aggro saying "Everytime you steal aggro I have to flesh ream, which waists chi", not even joking on that.

You act like you know me, but you couldnt be more off track. Let me enlighten you a bit. 6 years in the special forces, 3 tours of duty, 3 Purple Hearts, a Silver Star, a Bronze Star just to name a few. Arrogant and egotistical are 2 attributes that will never be used to describe me, in game or out of it.

Giodia, once again you have failed to understand the point of what I say. The simple fact is that you are a hypocrite and a loser.

we are DD's(Damage DEALERS)... so if we arent dealing dmg then wtf r we suposed to do stand there and look pretty?

Zenzell - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I dont hate the assasin CLASS. I really dont, i think they are OP sure but i got over it lol. But why dont i want to squad with tideborn you ask?

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I understand all tideborn arent like this, and to all of you who actually are worth squading with you probably dont realize it, but this is how the majority of the tideborn class isb:surrender

I think the main reason is because they're a straightfoward class, and because they're new. Generally classes like clerics, wizards, and barbs are harder to play, so the ignorant *******s who are to far stuck up their own **** to adjust how they want to play with how the game is actually played end up rage quiting those kinds of classes, because...well ussually it leaves you dead.

Tideborn to me are like anniversary packs. Can they be worth getting? Of course. Am I going to go through 100s of them to find what im looking for? Hell no.

ACLucius - Archosaur wrote: »

Expect Assassins to do their debuff(s), provide auxiliary tanking if the Barb/Blademaster dies and there is no other Barb/Blademaster to replace them, and provide good damage. Should the Cleric die, it is the job of the Assassin to try to gain aggro of the boss and lure it as far away from the squad as possible. We might die, but part of our job is to try to save to squad when possible, and if we can, Shadow Escape once the boss is out of range of the squad and will reset. So once you see that Cleric's HP hit zero, unless you are POSITIVE that your pet can tank fine with just your heals, stop attacking and let the Assassin gain aggro. While doing that, run in whatever direction you can to get far from where the Assassin will probably lead the boss, just to make it easier on them and help keep them from dying.

If you are on a boss without a strong AoE and the Assassin (as many do) has Tangling Mire, try to time your increased damage skills with theirs. As an example, whenever I use Tangling Mire, I also use Subsea strike and then get back my 2 sparks for a double spark so I can do extremely high damage (usually 8k criticals with normal attack). If you amplify damage at the same time as that, the boss will take an extremely large amount of damage over a short period of time. Using these skills combined with a Venomancer's amp skill, I have seen Rankar die within 45 seconds (had no magic DD's besides Venomancer) due to the extreme DPS each person could apply.

Expect Assassins to save the squishy classes whenever possible. Usually we can always teleport to the mob, so it shouldn't be a problem reaching them. So if you draw aggro and an Assassin heads straight towards the mob, run towards the Assassin and don't attack the mob after that unless you know exactly what skill they used. Sometimes I use Tackling Slash causing them to freeze, sometimes I use Deep Sting to sleep them. If you attack them while they are asleep, you cancel it and it just wasted our efforts.

If an Assassin is fighting two+ mobs all at once, and the rest of the squad is busy with their own, DON'T HELP! We have our Deep Sting, two stun skills, and Tackling Slash. An experienced Assassin will sleep one, freeze the other, move out of range and kill one of them. If they can't do that, they will Shadow Escape and reset the mobs. Attacking when they plan to SE will only draw aggro to you.

If you have the Assassin saying they will go kill a guardian in a BH, let them. Any build of Assassin should be able to easily take on any mob in a BH without problem. Our Blood Paint, spark/double spark, and Second Wind will keep us alive. If it doesn't, it is a failure of our own.

Basically, if you can't afford to help or don't think you can, then don't help the Assassin. We have more than enough ways to deal with multiple mobs in multiple situations, so don't worry about us too much unless you can do so safely. If the Assassin dies in such a situation, then it is their own fault. However, if you are having an Assassin do the job of a tank, treat it just as it is, a non tanking class tanking. We will need any help you can provide when doing the job of a tank. This means debuffs, heals, support, shared aggro (especially with your pet). I don't tank because I am good for tanking, I do it because it is necessary at the given time.

I am not going to say that every single Assassin out there will know all of these, but this is how our class works. You should always check to see if they are able to do these things before you start the instance so you know what to expect and how to work with it.

KellanLutz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

They see my level, currently 32, and they say oh you dont have bloodpaint and leave squad

Zenzell - Dreamweaver wrote: »

well mr that isnt my point, at level 32 what are you getting rejected from squadwise? an fb29? a mob quest to kill 15 centipedes?

Boohoo. If you want to go cry over something that you could do by yourself in 5 minutes or sweet talk a lv70 to solo for you, be my guest and QQ in the corner over there.

But rest assured the reason we dont squad with you is because of bloodpaint....its because we would rather solo grind then deal with the egotistical **** that is most assasins at the moment. I solo grind at that level anyways, or really all levels to be honest. If your not able to deal with that, go home.

Zenzell - Dreamweaver wrote: »

lol i dont think im a god, it just pisses me off when someone turns an arguement over squading into '**** assasins r better than u'.

his exact reply (too lazy to quote) was something along the lines of 'because assasins are better than you at pvp at that level'. how the hell is that relavent to getting rejected from a squad? im just stating that people really dont care much about squading at that level and he shouldnt be reading "your invite has been rejected" as "**** and gtfo stupid sin", because beleive it or not sometimes people dont like to squad with people in general. if he left the squad he might have just accidently accepted your invitation