Think venomancers are overpowered? Please read.

The answer to all of life's issues, and all issues in PW is a simple, three letter word...:Pie. That is all b:laugh

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

The Pie is a Lie!

~S

No wonder I'm still hungry after eating some pie... b:shedtear

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm NOT gonna say it... i'm NOT gonna say it..

~S

Yes you are! You know you want to! b:laugh

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

The Pie is a Lie!

~S

Are you saying the pie doesn't exist? b:puzzled

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

What Pie?

~S

OMG.....Where'd you hide the pie? b:sad

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

BURRRRPPPP. What Pie?

~S

YOU ATE MAH PIE! b:angry

*ignores the fact it was on someone else's window sill cooling*

b:mischievous

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

hmmm Blackberry Pie... er um.. What Pie?

~S

Oh, it was blackberry? That's fine then. Apple's better! b:pleased

Miatemaro - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I hate to break it to you but your 9x robe should just uninstall the game then. Or she let you win. Your post are the typical QQ BS of dont get better instead cry so they make it easier for you to play. Your right about not giving you the usual tips because no matter what you wont listen.

She is more than able to face blademasters and barbs of her own level, you know why? because none of them have a buged skill that will do pve damage in pvp (please check what hell shield does and why 9x mages pwn as robe)

Make it easier for me? I got a nix, I can use this bug, I have used it.
I know how easy and unfair it is, I admit it and I want it fixed coz it's **** lame and ruins pvp.

You on the other hand like it with the bug and defend it, pathetic.

The usual tips suck and are not viable, spend a lot of resources getting an inmunity pot for EVERY veno you'll fight? somehow outrun a 10 m/sec pet and kill the veno before it catches up to you? ooookkk....

btw speaking of nerfed and over powered i think hmm... lets see.... yes i know who is op in the game.....

krixx krimson kong and jewel is op and the mods omg they started the game at lvl 120 lets nerf them i think the gm's should be baned for cheating i never even see them come on invisible has to rank no1 for op.

also what the hell man when do you ever see lord of precussion out there grinding all he does is solo TT and he doesn't even suffer the damage restriction UNFAIR nerf him. also get aload of his **** drum i think it is offencive ban him after i kick his **** nerfed.

while we are at it world bosses take to long to kill. come on mods they have to be using some sort of ini. **** they look cool attack cool and don't die. i saw almost all of "Steel" guild out on one world boss and it still took forever for them to kill him. i mean seriously i ate like 2 pounds of cheeze that day and still had time to see the fight start. do constipated business and the end of the fight.

geeze let make every thing as easy as KunKun so every one can have the experiance of killing a lvl 100 at lvl 20.

bah sad thing is i read this thread up to this point just shoot me now

**** WARNING : WALL OF TEXT****

Let me preface this reply with a few general FACTS:

#1) I'm a stay at home Mom, with 18+ hours a day to spend playing.

#2) I come from a past playing a number of other games, so while PWI is
unique to itself, it wasn't 'too' hard to learn.

#3) I am on a PvE server, because I have NO interest in proving I am Billy
Bad-**** or Susie Shrapnel.

#4) If PWI released an offline version, I'd happily play that one.

#5) I started December 12th. By December 30th I had toons Archer -33,
Cleric 30, BM 31, Mage 30, Veno 32. All without ever touching a snowman, a
scroll or a Crazy Stone...

#6) While my Veno is my current 'favorite', I have every intention of leveling
all of my toons to the highest levels I can stomach before I get bored and
quit PWI.


Now for some 'relative' (read: personal experience) Facts:

#1) The first faction I ever joined had a level 44 Cleric. In ONE hour, she
would grind and then repair her gear. Average cost per repair, 44k. Sad.

#2) In the second faction I played in, a (now) good friend of mine had a BM.
When I met him he was 40. He played an average of 8 hours a day. He
leveled once a day easily till he reached 68 when he got bored and rerolled a
barb. His barb made 42 in 2 days.

#3) Until his character change, said BM from #2 averaged 1 million a day in
coin from grinding.

#4) Another BM in same said faction spent an average of $100 a week buying
boutique ****, then either using it (charms) or selling it for gear. He played
12+ hours a day. Leveled once per FOUR days.


Now for some Opinion
(read: subject to personal experience/thought)

#1) By level 30... EVERY one of my characters had made easily over 1.5
million in coin.

#2) Grinding with a Cleric was by far the most time consuming post lvl.15
Thus, by proportion, Clerics get the shaft.

#3) Grinding with a BM was by far the least time consuming, though more
expensive. Though not to significant degree. Thus, BMs seem 'average'.

#4) Based on my BM friends experience with coin, in comparison to my
experience with my Veno, I can not foresee that coin would be THAT terribly
difficult to aquire... IF YOU PLAY SMART...

#5) If I knew a Cleric who could blow 44k per hour on repairs, but the forums
have level 88+ clerics who can keep themselves in esotericas off drops for
an hour of grinding... and I know one BM who can make a mil a day, but I
know another who can't manage with 10 mil being BOUGHT a week, maybe...
.... just maybe... some people are better players than others... and its not
the class thats an issue really...

#6) 95% of the people I have met in PWI thus far have been whiny, pissy
crybabies.... thus I don't LIKE playing in a party. (see FACT #4)

#7) Outside PvP servers... Who the hell cares how fast you level? Enjoy your
lower levels when you can still **** the mobs. It's not like your EVER going to
become unstoppable, regardless of class. And you only hasten the day when
the game becomes boring and you quit.


Now for some Conjecture/Speculation

#1) I don't PvP, of any kind, in PWI... But I was under the impression that
PvP death included the chance to drop gear that wasn't "bound"?

#2) IF Conjecture #1 is true... Why not reduce the surplus Veno pop by
PKing every Veno of low level till they have nothing left? This would seriously
hamper their leveling, thus leaving you only the higher level ones to deal with?

#3) IF Conjecture #1 is true... why not gang up on Venos, thus forcing them
to work at disadvantage. 6 on 1, you cant tell me Veno's, Nix or otherwise,
will "win".

#4) IF Conjecture #1 is NOT true... why not BEFRIEND said Veno's, and get
THEM to take out other Nix-Veno's? This would leave you to take out all the
classes you seem to be ABLE to PK?


To the topic of "Overpowered":

#1) Herc is bad-**** PvE. Pure and simple. Won't deny it. But since finding
an individual who doesn't make me want to bash my head into my monitor is
difficult, he will help me to solo easier. But until I was 70 @78.9%, I had a
Crystalline Magmite. It was harder, but not THAT much harder.

#2) I don't have a Nix. Wont ever GET a Nix. But since I am already 70.. and
don't plan to ever PvP or TW, I don't NEED a Nix.
So much for "nearly ever 70+ veno has a Nix"
Maybe you just mean on the PvP servers, where its a requirement not to get
ganked as an easy target.....

#3) I don't use Bramble Hood. I don't even use Bramble Guard. I'd prefer to
never get hit than to do damage to a mob that is going to kill me anyway.
And since I'm 99% solo, I don't need to cast Bramble on anyone else.

#4) In a "Perfect World" (tm), Soul, Meta and Grace all help to allow for
unrested grinding. They do NOT eliminated it unless you are sub-level
grinding. These three skills help the SOLO class solo easier, and I would
LOVE to have them on my other classes. But my world isn't going to end
without them.

#5) Outside PvP.. stuns are not necessary for a Veno. A spell that stuns for
the length of the channel time of another spell, not useful. Grinding is about
using the least resources for the most profit. Anyone who has ever played
significant RPGs knows this.

#6) Inside PvP, take away the stupid Flesh Ream issue and the Veno still
doesnt have enough stun to make it worth while.

#7) For the one individual who suggested leaving Flesh Ream and nerfing the
class... What is your suggestion? If you are dieing to Nix, then you are dieing
to Nix. What, you want symbiotic links so damage to the Nix hurts the Veno?
Anything else isn't goin to stop your dieing to a Nix with a screwy skill.


For the topic of "Balancing":

#1) Yes, its a bit unfair that Veno's can get a tool that they can use from
(potentially, with $USD) level 1 that will last forever. But it can cost $200 or
more to get initially. It costs another 50k to hatch it. And every time it dies,
it becomes weaker (Looses loyalty). And you need to either have another
cash shop item, or buy expensive food. (I wont discuss XMas Bless, as a LOT
HT players seem to have them regardless of class). So lets see... Buy it for
$200+. Pay 0.50c to equip it. Pay $2 a week to keep it functional. And pay
an additional random amount each week to keep it optimal, not to be less
than 10k. Oh... and pay out another what.. Million to 'optimize' it like you
do with a Herc or Nix...

#2) Since the Herc/Nix is 'equipment' for the Veno, they can't get
anything 'better'. Sooner or later, other classes (in PvE) will get to
equivalent "gear". Herc/Nix is never getting "upgraded".


And in honor of Chipsing (or however you spell it)... TT runs.

#1) Are you freaking kidding me???? THIS is your giant complaint???

I'm a Veno. I can (and occasionally DO) do TT runs. I BUY my TT gear at
auction. It's CHEAPER! I spend easily three times as much on non-TT gear as
I do on TT stuff. And I DON'T sell my TT mats. I use them, when I actually
get enough, to make things for my few (non-irritating) friends.

For FREE!

Maybe if you didn't hang out with a bunch of whiny, crabby, GREEDY people,
and were not one yourself, someone would do the same for you!

Oh wait. Let me guess. You're just upset that "Veno's can afford the non-
TT gear". Hrm. Maybe if everyone else wasn't trying to 'bleed' everyone for
as much coin as possible... you'd be less worried about a Veno trying
to 'bleed' everyone with a screwy skill...

#2) When I do a TT run ("solo" mode), I always try to bring along a (non-
irritating) friend to DD for me. I tank, they DD. This is a lot like you might see
with a BM+Cleric or a Barb+Cleric. At this point, you SHOULD be complaining
that Archers and mages are left out. Not that Veno's are "overpowered".

#3) Maybe I just have a more open mind... But I've read posts in these
forums about Clerics who made enough in drops to keep themselves in charms
and esotericas to level fast. And who can solo TT mode, boss and all. Maybe
they know something you don't. Try asking rather than complaining
about the one class that is VISIBLY capable. Maybe if everyone learned from
the GOOD players, there would be less discrepancy.


In summation:

#1) Yes, Veno's are 'powerful'. They don't 'need' any one else to play. This
is no different than my Drow thief/bard/Necromancer in NWN who was
unkillable. It's not so different than my Necromancer in EQ. It's not so
different than ANY class played SMART, and played to its STRENGTHS. Veno's
biggest strength is not Flesh Ream, or Bramble... it's being able to blacklist
snots who climb up my rear and get on my nerves... and still play.

#2) I just spent nearly 2 hours reading the most idiotic bunch of brainless
babble that I have ever seen printed in one place, and the only thing I have
learned is that I'm that much more GLAD I can avoid people in PWI.

#3) If anyone is reading this, and is on HT.. and likes to hang with a typically
friendly, cheerful, helpful and laid back woman who plays a silly game
waaaaaaaay too much... send me a message. Maybe it will be the beginning
to patching some of the bridges that so many people seem to want to burn.

Sister_Chali
(pronounced Sis-Ter Shay-Le)

a lot of what you've said makes a lot of sense..veno's aren't nessecarily overpowered as a class, maybe it's just better-at-the-game people tend to play venos? i could be mistaken.
but you're right, every character type has it's plus's and minus's. people need to stop allll the QQ.

Sister_Chali - Heavens Tear wrote: »

#1) I don't PvP, of any kind, in PWI... But I was under the impression that
PvP death included the chance to drop gear that wasn't "bound"?

#2) IF Conjecture #1 is true... Why not reduce the surplus Veno pop by
PKing every Veno of low level till they have nothing left? This would seriously
hamper their leveling, thus leaving you only the higher level ones to deal with?

#3) IF Conjecture #1 is true... why not gang up on Venos, thus forcing them
to work at disadvantage. 6 on 1, you cant tell me Veno's, Nix or otherwise,
will "win".

Sister_Chali
(pronounced Sis-Ter Shay-Le)

first of all...conjecture #1 is true :P the more you PK the more you drop..
second, if they PK'ed all the extra veno's then that would defeat the purpose and prove everyone is greedy and only want to get ahead.
good strategy though, lol

Sister_Chali - Heavens Tear wrote: »

#3) If anyone is reading this, and is on HT.. and likes to hang with a typically
friendly, cheerful, helpful and laid back woman who plays a silly game
waaaaaaaay too much... send me a message. Maybe it will be the beginning
to patching some of the bridges that so many people seem to want to burn.

sounds like we could be good friends. i'll pm you if you EVER LOG ON.

Sister_Chali - Heavens Tear wrote: »

#3) I am on a PvE server, because I have NO interest in proving I am Billy
Bad-**** or Susie Shrapnel.

ZOMG 2 funny b:chuckle


I can has for sig, yes? b:pleased

err, they are not overpowered
they have less attack/defense on they're own than any of the other characters

if arcane, if they get hit once or twice, they are dead, very squishy
if melee they're damage and defense is still subpar compared to blademaster's attack or barb's defense

they're pets are supposed to compensate for these weaknesses, and with total pet+veno damage, equals the total damage of the other classes

Though the cash shop pets are another thing altogether.
I think that if the veno has a phoenix or herc, than yes probably overpowered. But with a regular pet, not so much.

Lessie - Lost City wrote: »

She is more than able to face blademasters and barbs of her own level, you know why? because none of them have a buged skill that will do pve damage in pvp (please check what hell shield does and why 9x mages pwn as robe)

Make it easier for me? I got a nix, I can use this bug, I have used it.
I know how easy and unfair it is, I admit it and I want it fixed coz it's **** lame and ruins pvp.

You on the other hand like it with the bug and defend it, pathetic.

The usual tips suck and are not viable, spend a lot of resources getting an inmunity pot for EVERY veno you'll fight? somehow outrun a 10 m/sec pet and kill the veno before it catches up to you? ooookkk....

Sorry little missy, but you dont know jack.

1.You dont fight barbs and BMs the the same way as a veno, so no neither of you know what the hell you're doing.
2.Where did I say I happen to like it. OH that rights I didnt nice fail. Again where did I say I didnt want it fixed, Oh thats right again I didnt another fail.
3. Yes the usual tips are viable, just because you or your friends are to fail to use them. No they are not impossible to get in the least.
4. You got your proof that there is ways to beat them you just want to ignore it. Once again there are ways to out run a phoenix. Stop being lazy and maybe you figure it out.

Criticalhitz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I think the people that complain bout them being over powered - should re roll and get a phoenix then.

If your complaining bout A PHOENIX skill glitch then say that instead of 'venomancers are OP'..Complain bout a glitched skill thats it.

Yet the funny thing is its not even the skill that is glitched. Its the damage reduction that is glitched. They are just to damn **** to learn anything.