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  • Lessie - Lost City
    Lessie - Lost City Posts: 917 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    They are special cases, the average veno isnt like that.

    We dont usually fail like miat and claim that other classes that get 1 shot because of this bug should "learn" and use non-viable strategies.
    Zoe is the only one in PWI that claims online PK = RL murder and has absolutely no idea of what pvp is.

    2 special failures, we r not like that.
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    Dieho: I win 15 on 1, I roll all of your guild to sz all by myself !
    Lessie: Proof?
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    Lessie: Well I won 33 on 1 the other day :D
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  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Lessie - Lost City wrote: »
    2 special failures, we r not like that.


    That's right, you're not like that.



    You're Epic Failures.
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  • Lessie - Lost City
    Lessie - Lost City Posts: 917 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Not as epic as you :P
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    ^^ Made by Saitada ^^

    Dieho: I win 15 on 1, I roll all of your guild to sz all by myself !
    Lessie: Proof?
    Dieho: I dont have any, but my word is more than enough.
    Lessie: Well I won 33 on 1 the other day :D
    b:cute
  • Miatemaro - Heavens Tear
    Miatemaro - Heavens Tear Posts: 700 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    That's right, you're not like that.



    You're Epic Failures.


    They just keeping showing why they are too its too funny.

    Lessie - Lost City wrote: »
    You continue posting the same BS b:laugh , to have fair fights with other venos do I have to pm them and ask them not to use nix nicely btw?

    Still no decent argument from you

    Follow your own advice

    Next ?

    Its because people like you are too pig headed to understand it the first thousand times your told, so gotta keep telling you it over and over hopefully at one point in the future you may get the brains and learn something.

    Ofcourse there never will be a decent arguement for you. I cant get reason through a brick wall you call your puny brain.
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  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    why hasnt this stupid useless thread been locked already and thrown away?
  • Lessie - Lost City
    Lessie - Lost City Posts: 917 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Miatemaro - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Its because people like you are too pig headed to understand it the first thousand times your told, so gotta keep telling you it over and over hopefully at one point in the future you may get the brains and learn something.

    Ofcourse there never will be a decent arguement for you. I cant get reason through a brick wall you call your puny brain.

    Pig headed = realism ?
    Giving out fantasy non viable strategies doesnt solve the issue.

    Next?
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    Dieho: I win 15 on 1, I roll all of your guild to sz all by myself !
    Lessie: Proof?
    Dieho: I dont have any, but my word is more than enough.
    Lessie: Well I won 33 on 1 the other day :D
    b:cute
  • Miatemaro - Heavens Tear
    Miatemaro - Heavens Tear Posts: 700 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Lessie - Lost City wrote: »
    Pig headed = realism ?
    Giving out fantasy non viable strategies doesnt solve the issue.

    Next?

    This is you and your friends at PWI

    ufail.gif


    Read my post above and ty for proving me right again.
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  • Lessie - Lost City
    Lessie - Lost City Posts: 917 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Lessie - Lost City wrote: »
    Pig headed = realism ?
    Giving out fantasy non viable strategies doesnt solve the issue.

    Next?

    Just in case.

    Since we're throwing images, well

    When you post, you
    soccer_fail-12850.jpg
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    Dieho: I win 15 on 1, I roll all of your guild to sz all by myself !
    Lessie: Proof?
    Dieho: I dont have any, but my word is more than enough.
    Lessie: Well I won 33 on 1 the other day :D
    b:cute
  • Miatemaro - Heavens Tear
    Miatemaro - Heavens Tear Posts: 700 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Lessie - Lost City wrote: »
    Just in case.

    Since we're throwing images, well

    When you post, you
    soccer_fail-12850.jpg

    Thats a pretty good picture of yourself.

    As far as fantasy non viable claims that you are trying to claim. Kinda funny how they work for those that use them.

    maybe doing this will help you get in ingrained into your thick skull.
    girl_cement.gif
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  • Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear
    Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear Posts: 802 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    why hasnt this stupid useless thread been locked already and thrown away?

    Indeed, I can't believe this thread ain't died yet. But yet tons of other seemingly innocent threads get locked all the time.
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  • Lessie - Lost City
    Lessie - Lost City Posts: 917 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Miatemaro - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    As far as fantasy non viable claims that you are trying to claim. Kinda funny how they work for those that use them.

    Sure that's why I see 9x on pvp servers complain, people that kick **** getting pwnt by the OP bug.
    oh wait you wouldnt know... you're in the tea-party one b:laugh
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    Dieho: I win 15 on 1, I roll all of your guild to sz all by myself !
    Lessie: Proof?
    Dieho: I dont have any, but my word is more than enough.
    Lessie: Well I won 33 on 1 the other day :D
    b:cute
  • Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear
    Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear Posts: 802 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Lessie - Lost City wrote: »
    Sure that's why I see 9x on pvp servers complain, people that kick **** getting pwnt by the OP bug.
    oh wait you wouldnt know... you're in the tea-party one b:laugh

    Oh get a life you dead ender.
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  • Lessie - Lost City
    Lessie - Lost City Posts: 917 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Ah because you can totally tell who has a life or not based on a few forum posts.
    Right.

    b:chuckle
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    Dieho: I win 15 on 1, I roll all of your guild to sz all by myself !
    Lessie: Proof?
    Dieho: I dont have any, but my word is more than enough.
    Lessie: Well I won 33 on 1 the other day :D
    b:cute
  • Sophia - Harshlands
    Sophia - Harshlands Posts: 228 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    btw here's some actual numbers
    dekciw wrote: »
    I've seen an infinite amount of posts about the phoenix and how it is overpowered but everyone says the same thing and no one brought actual numbers to show the problem. As we all know the actual big problem is the bleed ( ripping bite/flesh ream )

    I'll take a level 93 phoenix for the example :

    Base stats :
    base patk : 4337
    base pdef : ~9200
    base mdef : ~11100
    base HP : 3356
    base Evasion : 1551

    Buffs :
    patk buff : 30%
    hp buff : 30%

    Final stats :

    Final Patk : 5638
    Final HP : 4625
    Final pdef : ~9200
    Final mdef : ~11100
    Final Evasion : 1551

    Ripping Bite / Flesh Ream (bleed skill) Level 5 : 200% of the patk of the phoenix

    so : 2* 5638 = 11 276 damage over 3 second to a target with 0 % dmg reduction because as we know the bleed damage of the pet isn't reduced like skills are in pvp.

    Hell WF have have a skill which has 20% chance to reduce physical defense to zero. Which would make the damage you take roughly ~11 276 over 3 second so like ~3 758 (Obviously it's a bit lower because even with pdef @ 0 you get %dmg reduction from your gear but still 3k dmg per second is .... )

    Now for more concrete numbers in actual situations where the debuff doesn't land where you would die in one second.

    I'm a 9x WR with HH90 gear. My pdef self-buffed is around 9k which grants me about 72% phy dmg reduction

    So if we take the 11.276 bleed damage which is reduced by 72% we get a ~8 118 damage reduction which makes the damage ~3 158 over 3 seconds which is ~1 052 damage per second on a HEAVY USER. Now that's ignoring the WF's / Venomancer's spells that hit me for 1.3k-1.5k to 2ish-3ish(crits) even with a hiero/charm, it's kinda hard to survive.


    Now a even more impressive example, a light user :

    9x archer with HH90 gear has 58% dmg reduction with Cleric buffs

    which means : 1 578 per second ( 4 735 over 3 seconds ) and that is about most of them have in hp if not less or barely more... and that's ignoring completely the Veno's damage and the pet actually normal hitting


    Robes : One of the best geared Wizard on the server with robes has about 50% damage reduction with stone shield uniquely

    which is 5 638 over 3 seconds and 1 879 damage per second Most of them don't have that HP and once again that's ignoring the veno alone.

    Basically the Phoenix can kill by itself 90% of the light / robe user even with buffs. With the WereFox / Venomancer not even attacking ( making it hard to score the kill as the user will most likely be flying away) . That's also ignoring the damage with amplify or the fact that you could be straight up debuffed because of purge. To those who say just kill the pet well actually the pet is like another 9x player so it takes a few shot to kill and by the time you could kill it : you're already dead.

    This is serious business for us PvPers this makes it extremely boring as, as soon as a phoenix shows up most people get 1shotted by the pet. This is not a QQ thread, I'm trying to make people understand with actual number how unbalanced the pet is. Don't nerf the pet, fix the bleed or find a way around the bug to make it balanced.
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    "That was a pretty fair fight and liek OMG they got ****ed up." - Wreck talking about the fight in the screenshot.
    "You're the worst mage ever" - Iffy 5 mins before I roll her 1 on 1


    We should keep that in mind next time you're crying in sz.
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  • Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear
    Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear Posts: 802 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Lessie - Lost City wrote: »
    Ah because you can totally tell who has a life or not based on a few forum posts.
    Right.

    b:chuckle

    No, but the intellegence of your post was glaringly lacking.
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  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Lets see here.... I have done more testing of the phoenix in pvp recently. This is what I found:

    My phoenix vs a same level blademaster: The phoenix won but just BARELY. It had about 1 hit left before it died. It would have lost if the bm didn't use axes and keep missing.

    My phoenix in TW: It killed a lot of people with me backup nuking but other than that it wasn't all that great. Also once when I sent it in to kill a cata puller, my bird died in about 5 seconds, level 85 bird.

    So, I'm going to have to agree with Mia here. The bird is very killable and its possible to beat it in a 1v1 situation if you know what you are doing. Considering players not on a pvp server are able to kill phoenixes so quickly and easily, and pk players complain that they can't....well I think that tells us something about you pk players now doesn't it?

    As Miatiamaro says: LEARN TO PLAY.
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  • Devarsi - Sanctuary
    Devarsi - Sanctuary Posts: 542 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    wait wait .. so you are saying a lvl 85 blademaster lost to your nix 1on1 .. without you helping? and that verifys that it is easily killable?

    I'm sorry but in pvp/tw usually your nix isn't gonna be the only thing attacking it unless you are picking off single targets away from the main fight.. in which case you are just farming kills in TW and not really helping

    Also: you sent your nix against a cata puller? .... lol
    Its been established for quite a long time that the nix is a major threat to light armor and arcane users.. not heavy armor.. so unless the cata puller was a cleric or archer or something .. thats just dumb..
    the catapults always have tons of aoes going off around them.. so again.. very stupid for sending your nix in there .. nix is to pick off the healers/mages/etc behind the cata puller
  • Lessie - Lost City
    Lessie - Lost City Posts: 917 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Foxx_trott - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    No, but the intellegence of your post was glaringly lacking.

    You mean facts and realism = no life? ok.
    Devarsi - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Its been established for quite a long time that the nix is a major threat to light armor and arcane users.. not heavy armor.. so unless the cata puller was a cleric or archer or something .. thats just dumb..
    the catapults always have tons of aoes going off around them.. so again.. very stupid for sending your nix in there .. nix is to pick off the healers/mages/etc behind the cata puller

    QFT
    Zoe is well known for her pvp IGNORANCE
    (cleric heal is for noobs, bm stun is for noobs, lvl 3x mold equips should go to +12, etc.)

    @ Learn to play claim users.
    Why dont you learn to pvp without abusing a bug? Then we can talk.
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    Dieho: I win 15 on 1, I roll all of your guild to sz all by myself !
    Lessie: Proof?
    Dieho: I dont have any, but my word is more than enough.
    Lessie: Well I won 33 on 1 the other day :D
    b:cute
  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    The cata puller was the only person left to kill. lol

    The BM would have won easy if he didn't use axes and constantly miss as a result.

    Anything that stops the other person from being able to fight back is fail. It's a cowardly act.

    Also, despite the number of phoenixes the other guild had, none of them ever managed to kill me, even though I'm running arcane. Funny isn't it?

    Again, learn to freaking play or get out of the game you pk failures.
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  • Lessie - Lost City
    Lessie - Lost City Posts: 917 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    btw everyone should re-read that quote sophia posted with all the dmg numbers the guy calculated.


    This is serious business for us PvPers this makes it extremely boring as, as soon as a phoenix shows up most people get 1shotted by the pet. This is not a QQ thread, I'm trying to make people understand with actual number how unbalanced the pet is. Don't nerf the pet, fix the bleed or find a way around the bug to make it balanced.
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    ^^ Made by Saitada ^^

    Dieho: I win 15 on 1, I roll all of your guild to sz all by myself !
    Lessie: Proof?
    Dieho: I dont have any, but my word is more than enough.
    Lessie: Well I won 33 on 1 the other day :D
    b:cute
  • Devarsi - Sanctuary
    Devarsi - Sanctuary Posts: 542 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    first.. axe BM is a very viable and good build.. maybe he had **** equipment..

    second.. axe BMs can chain stun.. did he not stun your nix at all.. or wait.. did you tell him not to because axe BMs shouldn't need stuns to win b:chuckle

    also one last question.. your avatar still shows you as 85.. why boast about an achievement you haven't even gotten yet in your sig
  • Sophia - Harshlands
    Sophia - Harshlands Posts: 228 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Again, learn to freaking play or get out of the game you pk failures.
    Learn to kill me without exploiting a game flaw you freaking failure. Do you suck so much you cant imagine PKing with the pvp dmg reduction everyone else has?

    btw veno doesnt send nix to cata puller, there's aoes dropping there all the time, venos pick on light armor/robe and 1 shot them with this game flaw you depend on.
    Any half-decent veno would know that, oh wait I forgot... you're the one who said bm stun is for noobs right? you dont go as half decent veno.
    Pendulum's definition of fair fight:
    Copy and paste: img12.imageshack.us/img12/4148/lolzpendulum.jpg
    "That was a pretty fair fight and liek OMG they got ****ed up." - Wreck talking about the fight in the screenshot.
    "You're the worst mage ever" - Iffy 5 mins before I roll her 1 on 1


    We should keep that in mind next time you're crying in sz.
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  • Phantomhive - Lost City
    Phantomhive - Lost City Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    T

    Anything that stops the other person from being able to fight back is fail. It's a cowardly act.

    So a skill used for your basic survival is a failure? Don't most classes have a stun/seal/sleep skill? Does your phoenix not have stun? It's duration isn't on par with a blademasters...but come on..
  • Moog - Lost City
    Moog - Lost City Posts: 633 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    I r arcane mage that get one shot by phoenix b:surrender

    low 7x phoenix kills me too b:cry
  • Miatemaro - Heavens Tear
    Miatemaro - Heavens Tear Posts: 700 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Sophia - Harshlands wrote: »
    Learn to kill me without exploiting a game flaw you freaking failure. Do you suck so much you cant imagine PKing with the pvp dmg reduction everyone else has?

    btw veno doesnt send nix to cata puller, there's aoes dropping there all the time, venos pick on light armor/robe and 1 shot them with this game flaw you depend on.
    Any half-decent veno would know that, oh wait I forgot... you're the one who said bm stun is for noobs right? you dont go as half decent veno.

    From the way you whine beating you would be easy. My sig says it all about you. Do you suck that bad at PvP that you whine at every roadblock you hit.
    Even if damage reduction was fixed (Which btw I want to have it fixed too) because its a good pressure skill.

    Lessie - Lost City wrote: »
    Sure that's why I see 9x on pvp servers complain, people that kick **** getting pwnt by the OP bug.
    oh wait you wouldnt know... you're in the tea-party one b:laugh

    Yet you are the one who is in the cry baby party. Its because they finally ran into something they cant deal with, As you said.

    Lessie - Lost City wrote: »
    You mean facts and realism = no life? ok.

    Which you have non of them at all. No facts or sense of realise and no life.

    Lessie - Lost City wrote: »
    QFT
    Zoe is well known for her pvp IGNORANCE
    (cleric heal is for noobs, bm stun is for noobs, lvl 3x mold equips should go to +12, etc.)

    @ Learn to play claim users.
    Why dont you learn to pvp without abusing a bug? Then we can talk.

    You guys joke all you want about Zoe. Shes seen it been there. From how you guys and gals consistantly show your whining she knows more than you do.
    Phantomhive - Lost City wrote: »
    So a skill used for your basic survival is a failure? Don't most classes have a stun/seal/sleep skill? Does your phoenix not have stun? It's duration isn't on par with a blademasters...but come on..

    And yet when you tell the ******* to use those basic skills you get this quote.
    Lessie - Lost City wrote: »
    Giving out fantasy non viable strategies doesnt solve the issue.Next?

    Devarsi - Sanctuary wrote: »
    wait wait .. so you are saying a lvl 85 blademaster lost to your nix 1on1 .. without you helping? and that verifys that it is easily killable?

    I'm sorry but in pvp/tw usually your nix isn't gonna be the only thing attacking it unless you are picking off single targets away from the main fight.. in which case you are just farming kills in TW and not really helping

    Also: you sent your nix against a cata puller? .... lol
    Its been established for quite a long time that the nix is a major threat to light armor and arcane users.. not heavy armor.. so unless the cata puller was a cleric or archer or something .. thats just dumb..
    the catapults always have tons of aoes going off around them.. so again.. very stupid for sending your nix in there .. nix is to pick off the healers/mages/etc behind the cata puller

    Actually she said the nix barely won. As Zoe said the cata puller was the last one left, so unless you want to claim that is still stupid, well Im not sure about you then.

    Devarsi - Sanctuary wrote: »
    first.. axe BM is a very viable and good build.. maybe he had **** equipment..

    second.. axe BMs can chain stun.. did he not stun your nix at all.. or wait.. did you tell him not to because axe BMs shouldn't need stuns to win b:chuckle

    also one last question.. your avatar still shows you as 85.. why boast about an achievement you haven't even gotten yet in your sig

    I do believe that we have established that players actually need to learn how to play already or are you defending that it should be instant win for others classes against veno.

    Crappy play is crappy wether or not they have good armor on or not.

    Of course they can stun, as has been said to many ppl here and refer to lessies quoted post as to what the reply is always.
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  • Miatemaro - Heavens Tear
    Miatemaro - Heavens Tear Posts: 700 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Moog - Lost City wrote: »
    I r arcane mage that get one shot by phoenix b:surrender

    low 7x phoenix kills me too b:cry

    And post your character stats. Such as how much HP and your resistances you have.
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  • Devarsi - Sanctuary
    Devarsi - Sanctuary Posts: 542 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    mia your responses to my posts are almost as ridiculous as zoe's..

    first: barely won is still won.. against a heavy armor user.. a pet beat a heavy armor user 1 on 1 .. thats ridiculous

    second: she hadn't said the cata puller was the only one left at the time i had responded to that.. also there is no way in hell thats true because A. if the cata puller was the ONLY one left he'd die pretty quickly being focus fired.. B. a barb in tiger form would not kill a nix in 5 seconds because he would not be focusing on the nix in the first place.. and does not do enough damage to take out a nix in 2 or 3 hits

    for your remaining responses: where did i actually say that i believe that venos should be an easy kill ? my stun comment was referring to a previous zoe post where she said bms should not have to stun to be able to kill solo..

    these questions were directed at zoe.. not you.. why are you responding to them at all..

    learn to read please and thank you
  • Miatemaro - Heavens Tear
    Miatemaro - Heavens Tear Posts: 700 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Devarsi - Sanctuary wrote: »
    mia your responses to my posts are almost as ridiculous as zoe's..

    first: barely won is still won.. against a heavy armor user.. a pet beat a heavy armor user 1 on 1 .. thats ridiculous

    second: she hadn't said the cata puller was the only one left at the time i had responded to that.. also there is no way in hell thats true because A. if the cata puller was the ONLY one left he'd die pretty quickly being focus fired.. B. a barb in tiger form would not kill a nix in 5 seconds because he would not be focusing on the nix in the first place.. and does not do enough damage to take out a nix in 2 or 3 hits

    for your remaining responses: where did i actually say that i believe that venos should be an easy kill ? my stun comment was referring to a previous zoe post where she said bms should not have to stun to be able to kill solo..

    these questions were directed at zoe.. not you.. why are you responding to them at all..

    learn to read please and thank you

    Why you got shown wrong and want me to go away. Not gonna happen.
    So you do think that the BM should have won instantly. GTFO. As I said before and will continue to say this learn to play the frakkin game. Even Zoe said that if the BM would have done something different instead of what the hell he was doing the BM would have won.

    Funny I agreed with on the stuns that they should be used. Which is why your reply is funny as hell.

    Because this is an open forums and we are allowed to respond who whoever we want. Got a problem with that I think you need to leave the forums then.

    No apparently you're the one that needs to learn to read.
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  • Devarsi - Sanctuary
    Devarsi - Sanctuary Posts: 542 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    you prove me wrong in what way?

    I asked if it was one on one with a PET NO VENO ATTACKING

    If it was one on one with a PET ONLY .. yes that is wrong.. a BM should be able to take out a pet no problem.. you are ridiculously dumb if you think thats right

    and yes i am insinuating that any character should be able to take out a venos pet one on one before dieing.. its a freaking pet not a player ..

    I never said that you weren't agreeing about stunning.. I was saying what my post was directed towards and your comments about learning to play were completely out of place
  • Alex - Harshlands
    Alex - Harshlands Posts: 113 Arc User
    edited March 2009
    Your signature, saying "The phoenixs are coming, the phoenixs are coming" is wrong. Phoenixs is not a word. You don't plural the world phoenix with an S at the end. You'd say "The phoenix are coming" and it's concidered plural without needing an S. For a single phoenix you'd say "The phoenix is coming". See the difference? Plural you put an "are", single you put an "is".

    Like the word Samurai. You don't say "samurais are coming". The word in itself is single and plural at once, just changes in the context of the phrase.

    Now please, continue with your QQ fest everyone.
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