What about Game Advisors ?

Desdi - Sanctuary

Kyuski - Morai wrote: »

even if u call one of them an *** you have way more higher chance to get banned. as they have closer contact with gms they often know upcoming patches and changes. If you know some items will be nerfed or increased/decreased price you can play market big time. they are also able to influence GMs more to ban some1. This program always make one guild to turn into power house.
Now give them power and you will see absurd situations..people getting banned for saying one rude word in world chat because GA doesn't like that person etc

I have been playing other games with programs like that. Been in factions with those people. they ruin all the fun when you know whats coming. know what items will drop or increase price, what skill changes will have. and then you start noticing that people that hate our faction randomly disapears (cuz they got banned for random **** which not always is true). Have been super rich cuz GA found people been abusing glitch to get exp/money and told our guild and then we all did it lol. I have never seen it work out in any game and all of those players sooner or later uses their powers for their advantages.

This is why the GAs would have to chosen very carefully. I know power can "change" people but I'm positive that's not the case for everyone.

I don't know about the upcoming patches thing though. Why would a GA need to know all this in the first place? All they are meant to do is hunt after scammers and botters. When it comes to content, we already get sneak peaks from people who are familiar with and roam the PWCN website/forums and I highly doubt the GA would have anything do to with the pricing of things and upcoming sales o.o

heerohex#3018

oVenusArmanio
Krisnda

How about teleing troublemakers to the secret room with Michael.

Jokeing says "Added to Sum Ups LOL!"

Kyuski - Morai wrote: »

Have played games with similar program like mentioned, and it doesn't matter if they are given the power or not they still end up having unfair advantages which leads loads of people to quit game.

Anything you have to add should be raised now! We wanna work out any possible issues now to make sure this information is given to Val n the GMs to stop this kinda thought. I gotta say tho as far as has been sugested they will not have any controls that affect the power of the player, no special gears including weapons and or buffs. So their is no reason that a GA would be more powerfull for this possition. Also this is one of the reasons people have asked for a list of what CAN and Cant be done by GAs. a clear outline set and will back up actions for example

A GA CAN NOT reset an instance for you. - Do not ask for this as requests can not be granted.

A GA CAN Moderate WC and Local Chats - this is monitored by the GA team and a GA will advise the player before any mute is actioned giveing the player a chance to retify any breach first

Further more i have to back up Desdi - Sanctuary for your post. its listed in the sum ups that this is gonna be hard work. I agree not eveyone is subject to pear preasure i know i dont my self and thats one of the reason im able to do the job i do in RL. Val may request all GAs into one faction. they may have a seprate account setup so they will need to run too toons. In all descussions we have no idea untill val responds to us.

as for the muting functions and some other functions this can be done in set hours its been suggested that only a GM can Perma Ban. I agree that this could be missused and people would become targets. Thats why the log needs to be in place and notes need to be made at places. Im sure this will be monitored and to be fair monitoring a few GAs on a server will be a lot easier than monitoring the whole community.

Just again keep in mind nothing is confirmed untill Val gets back to us all!

Crixxix - Raging Tide

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

This is why the GAs would have to chosen very carefully. I know power can "change" people but I'm positive that's not the case for everyone.

I don't know about the upcoming patches thing though. Why would a GA need to know all this in the first place? All they are meant to do is hunt after scammers and botters. When it comes to content, we already get sneak peaks from people who are familiar with and roam the PWCN website/forums and I highly doubt the GA would have anything do to with the pricing of things and upcoming sales o.o

I gotta agree with you Desdi. Some people just can't be bought. Those are the people that we need for this program, and they will help clean the game up. Can't wait for some good news! b:pleased

krisnda

Kyuski - Morai wrote: »

even if u call one of them an *** you have way more higher chance to get banned.

Umm, you're not supposed to do that anyway.

as they have closer contact with gms they often know upcoming patches and changes.

Us forum mods have that, and we still don't know jack just as you and the rest of the community does.

If you know some items will be nerfed or increased/decreased price you can play market big time.

See above.

they are also able to influence GMs more to ban some1.

Not for dumb reasons like "oh this dude killed me, plz ban them GM's" but for things that actually matter like botting and such.

This program always make one guild to turn into power house.
Now give them power and you will see absurd situations..people getting banned for saying one rude word in world chat because GA doesn't like that person etc

Not even going to comment at this.

I have been playing other games with programs like that. Been in factions with those people. they ruin all the fun when you know whats coming. know what items will drop or increase price, what skill changes will have. and then you start noticing that people that hate our faction randomly disapears (cuz they got banned for random **** which not always is true).

See above (again)

Have been super rich cuz GA found people been abusing glitch to get exp/money and told our guild and then we all did it lol.

GA's wouldn't receive that kind of stuff, that's just... I don't know what to call that portion.

I have never seen it work out in any game and all of those players sooner or later uses their powers for their advantages.

Well, brace yourself when (if) this does get implemented, first time for everything.

See red.

heerohex#3018

Ok... Yer..

Krisnda Hits the nail on the head with a few points then!

I know this is in the part of He who must not be named but i wonder if the servers that have problems are private ones? That would more tally as i know for a fact that the Mods on forums have no access to upcomin Sales untill we know. Same as any updates ETC.

Kinda the more i think about it maybe it best to use another toon rather than run your self as a GA. However this will make doing the job harder and unproductive. Kinda still split on this my self.

Crixxix - Raging Tide

heero200 wrote: »

Ok... Yer..

Krisnda Hits the nail on the head with a few points then!

I know this is in the part of He who must not be named but i wonder if the servers that have problems are private ones? That would more tally as i know for a fact that the Mods on forums have no access to upcomin Sales untill we know. Same as any updates ETC.

Kinda the more i think about it maybe it best to use another toon rather than run your self as a GA. However this will make doing the job harder and unproductive. Kinda still split on this my self.

I think that using separate toons is definitely the way to go.

Desdi - Sanctuary

Crixxix - Raging Tide wrote: »

I think that using separate toons is definitely the way to go.

^ yep. I think it's much easier to set up an account like that than give tools to an existing one.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Yep, I agree as well that GA should be done on a separate account.

Sizzer - Raging Tide

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Yep, I agree as well that GA should be done on a separate account.

I also agree with this G.A can hide there identity & work for the betterment of PWI, if the names of the GAs are disclosed then it will lead to more hate & more problems, issues etc.... against them.

heerohex#3018

It seams to be the most supported idea.

BUT... This will make this a lot harder work for the GA. This will mean not being able to do instances on that toon. Grind. Over all not be productive. My self i use 2 toons loged in. This would have to be auth to be able to use more than 1 toon. To be fair i think this would put people off. Got a lot going against this.

Saying that if i was using 2 computers i could have one set on that account whall im using it. could keep an eye on this from this. this seams to be the only advantage well that and the GAs not being known i still retain that people will find out evenutally so...

I have my reasons for not decideing this. I will add to notes if people have reasons.

I know val is busy with the update at the moment so im sure he will get back to us after this... Kinda waiting on him now...

ovenusarmanio

Well, one of the really crappy parts of being a mod is people raging at you because they you are a GM. GA would be even worse, because at least as a mod if you don't want to deal with it atm you can just tab over to game. Disruptive people in-game though could do a lot more to mess up your game. Be it via WC, trying to get you kicked from faction, sending you pms from dozens of alts, messing up runs or stealing your stuff if they happen to be with you in squad, etc. And in general find all kinds of ways to mess up your game. Things they try to do here but are much less effective. Like making dozens of threads is really no big deal. And that's about as disruptive as it gets. We just get a little number telling us how many pms we have, it doesn't block us from being able to read posts and such. GAs if they were ever to be implemented would have a much harder time with disruptive and abusive people. Given some of the forum problems, I'd feel bad for whoever became a GA if they had to deal with those types of problems in-game. Since there are way more people, it would come up far more frequently as well. It doesn't popup as often here. A lot of people who post regularly are reasonable.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

heero200 wrote: »

BUT... This will make this a lot harder work for the GA.

Volunteering, you told me yourself that the word work wasn't the good work.

heero200 wrote: »

I have my reasons for not decideing this. I will add to notes if people have reasons.

And who are you again? I don't remember have seen anywhere that you was in charge of deciding if yes or no a suggestion would be take in consideration or not.

You are the only one that don't agree that GA should use a different account, all the others agree with that, so reasons or no this should be add to your precious list thank you.

Even the mods of the forum don't use the same account than when they wasn't mods and GA sound like they will have more power in game than mods on forum so yes GA should do their volunteering on a separate account.

Plus in my opinion GA should be 100% available, so if someone pm for something what the GA will answer if he play is main account? ''Sorry pm later I'm defending a pav for full WS'' or will let down the squad is in to go do his volunteering?

I did agree to call it volunteering cause everyone said it wasn't work since it's not pay, but I think a GA doing GA stuff in the same time then their BH, full WS or w/e is unprofessional. I did agree even if I think it's not a good thing that it will probably be players rolling GA, but I think they should not mix their time as GA with their personal playing time on the same char.

heerohex#3018

Yet again bella u run people down and are negitive.

ok just for you i will help ease your mind...

Volunteering, you told me yourself that the word work wasn't the good work.

Sorry? I think you mean... To work is to perform a task in a unpaid or paid roll. Since their will be no payment and people will have to Volunteer to be part of this program. The Work they will do will be determened by VAL.

OK Now thats cleared up just for u.

NEXT

And who are you again? I don't remember have seen anywhere that you was in charge of deciding if yes or no a suggestion would be take in consideration or not.

You are the only one that don't agree that GA should use a different account, all the others agree with that, so reasons or no this should be add to your precious list thank you.

im unsure of which desision i have made as i only offered to colate this information which i have done so. If you check the sum ups this info is alread in the post so im asumimg you have not read it? "I have my reasons for not decideing this. I will add to notes if people have reasons." If and im asumimg you have not read the previous post you would have understood this as i cant make MY mind up ( I am undecided ) i have not made MY opinion on this yet. Nothing more nothing less.

Further more eveything i add is cleared of unconstructive comments. I do agree that they should be available at all times but... lets be fair if a GA is on another toon they will not see any request for help. Defeating the idea of this. Really this is gonna come down to what VAL makes happen. All we can do for now is give him some Feedback, Ideas and ways to improve the program so it wont fail. Which at the end of the day is why i am puting so much time into this to help where i can.

oVenusArmanio
Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Thanks for the mod view on this. Outch for the stick. Sorry im sure ive given some as well (LOL) ill add to important posts list.
Bella aside from the above you have some good points again.

Crixxix - Raging Tide

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

And who are you again? I don't remember have seen anywhere that you was in charge of deciding if yes or no a suggestion would be take in consideration or not.

You are the only one that don't agree that GA should use a different account, all the others agree with that, so reasons or no this should be add to your precious list thank you.

Even the mods of the forum don't use the same account than when they wasn't mods and GA sound like they will have more power in game than mods on forum so yes GA should do their volunteering on a separate account.

Plus in my opinion GA should be 100% available, so if someone pm for something what the GA will answer if he play is main account? ''Sorry pm later I'm defending a pav for full WS'' or will let down the squad is in to go do his volunteering?

I did agree to call it volunteering cause everyone said it wasn't work since it's not pay, but I think a GA doing GA stuff in the same time then their BH, full WS or w/e is unprofessional. I did agree even if I think it's not a good thing that it will probably be players rolling GA, but I think they should not mix their time as GA with their personal playing time on the same char.

Bella, hate to say this, but you sound pretty mean, and that's saying it nicely. Just because most of us (including myself) agree that GA's should use alt accounts, doesn't mean everyone is going to share our views. I'm going to straight up defend Heero here, because he has put in a lot of work here on this thread. I think the only person who's worked harder to put this GA program together more than Heero is Val, so just because Heero voiced his opinion, let's not cut him down.

- Crix

Annalyse - Heavens Tear

heero200 wrote: »

It seams to be the most supported idea.

BUT... This will make this a lot harder work for the GA. This will mean not being able to do instances on that toon. Grind. Over all not be productive. My self i use 2 toons loged in. This would have to be auth to be able to use more than 1 toon. To be fair i think this would put people off. Got a lot going against this.

Saying that if i was using 2 computers i could have one set on that account whall im using it. could keep an eye on this from this. this seams to be the only advantage well that and the GAs not being known i still retain that people will find out evenutally so...

I agree with this, actually. I *always* have two clients online, one being a catshop unless I want to multiclient things. And this is common for most people. They'd have to change the rule on the number of clients allowed (and even then, probably not everyone can handle more than two on the computer they might be using). And if the person was actually playing actively on their main account all day I'm sure the second account would get checked far less often. Kind of hard to say how well this would work.

heerohex#3018

Ok had a think about this a bit more...

Gonna add this into the MIX as well. If the GAs use different accounts they can and if possible have a toon on evey server? Tho they would need a HOME server?

Im kinda throwing ideas here.

Annalyse - Heavens Tear

heero200 wrote: »

Ok had a think about this a bit more...

Gonna add this into the MIX as well. If the GAs use different accounts they can and if possible have a toon on evey server? Tho they would need a HOME server?

Im kinda throwing ideas here.

Monitoring every server would be ridiculously time-consuming for one person (and impossible for things like watching world chat, since you can only have one logged at a time). I think they would need to have separate GAs for each server.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

heero200 wrote: »

Ok had a think about this a bit more...

Gonna add this into the MIX as well. If the GAs use different accounts they can and if possible have a toon on evey server? Tho they would need a HOME server?

Im kinda throwing ideas here.

You gave me a sort of idea.

Some people are afraid that if GAs get any kind of power they abuse it for friends and on enemies (or for themselves), I was thinking that maybe someone that get the ''post'' of GA could do it on a different server than the one he play.

Example: I play on Harshlands and I become GA, I do the GA stuffs on Raging tides where there's no risk of favoritism and that kind of things.

Of course that mean people will need to do it on a different accounts and also to do it on a server of the same time zone, but yea I think that could avoid a future drama issues about favoritism and stuff like that. (I also think that GA should not be in a faction and not married)

So since the personal account and GA account would be on a different server there will be no chance of interaction between both accounts, so no risk that someone abuse the power for his on char.

People that will be GA do it to help the game and not only a server so they have no reason to care on which server they do it.

EDIT: Also I assume it would be easier for GM to manage GAs if GAs have separate accounts, if someone join the team of GAs he create a new account/char and GM put the tools and powers in it and when/if the person leave the post or get fire for any reason they delete the account. I guess that put tools/powers on a existing lvled chars and remove it from that same existing char must not be easy, while create a new char on a new account with it is simple.

Desdi - Sanctuary

I think it's fine because, like it's been said, a lot of people tend to dual client when playing nowadays. Having the GA account and the normal account on at the same time is possible.

When busy, they can just log off the GA account or keep it logged off and only log it when they need to use it (eg. silence someone in WC, answer to someone looking for a GM).

That's how I've been imaging it.

Crixxix - Raging Tide

Great idea Desdi. Although I do see Bella's point about reducing favoritism, and whatnot, I'm not sure putting them on a different server is the best way to go. For instance, on the RT server, I know who the normal trouble makers are, and who a lot of people are. If I was forced to go to another server, I wouldn't immediately understand all of this info. I'd have to sit back for 2 weeks or so just to learn all of this again.

I do agree that favoritism could be an issue, if the wrong people became a GA. I think it's more about carefully selecting these people, instead of letting every Tom, ****, and Harry become one.

Edit: Really PWI? You filter a name? Set smart filters >.<

Desdi - Sanctuary

Yeah, definitely each GA must be from their home server. It wouldn't make sense to have them spread across all servers

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Be on a different server would make the GA more impartial.

Well anyway it was just a idea that would make avoid the favoritism issue and the fact that people are scare that GA get advantage on other players in the game, separate accounts on separate servers would avoid that.

Being GA is about helping people, helping the communication btw players and GM, pass the in game info to GM, all servers have the same instances and in game stuff, all servers have good people, bad people and trolls.

Also I think it's important that people feel comfo to pm the GA. I think people would maybe be more comfo to speak with a GA that is not a player of their server than a player of their server, imagine that it's one of your big enemy that become GA, would you be feel comfo to pm him? Probably not, but what other choice would you have?

ovenusarmanio

I disagree they should be on separate servers. If people don't read up on what a GA can and can't do, that is their problem. It's not like GAs would know information in advance, have the power to spawn items, or otherwise help themselves or their faction out. At most they would need is something like the power to mute a player from worldchat, or the power to get someone unstuck. >. > Rather than putting unnecessary restrictions on the gameplay of the player, when they should still be players and not forced to give up the game. There is just no way they can know all the in and outs on the server (such as who are repeat world chat offenders) if they do not actually play on it. In additon, botting locations are different on different servers. How are they supposed to catch the numerous bots in moma or loth when they can't even enter moma or loth? They shouldn't be able to do a lot of damage as a GA, that should be left to the GMs. If the GA power is limited to only a few things that they could do better than a GM being a player (such as monitor world chat, since GMs are not actively sitting there watch it while a player is) then there would be much less ways to abuse that power in the first place.

And if you pick the right people, they shouldn't have a lot of enemies to begin with. If a person really, really hates one GA, there should at least be like two per server. If they are the kind of person that hates all of them, they could still submit a ticket to the GMs about the issue. The GA shouldn't be the kind of player constantly trolling rival TW factions, spamming world chat, and abusing glitches in the first place. They should to thorough checks to every account from the IP of the GA. And all of their accounts should be subject to being permanently banned if it's found they misused their power.

I understand concerns about the players being chosen and wanting to mitigate that, but at some point you do just have to put the power in the hands of someone that can be trusted. GA shouldn't be like an actual job, it should be something that players can do and that involves restrictions that keep in mind their unpaid/voluntary status. Anyway, I can't wait til we get more information about this program. It will be very interesting to see the results of the program. I'm hopeful PWI will be able to make this program work.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Drakaniel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Who is the GA and what's his job ?
A GA is basically a normal gamer. He has no special item and is not in charge of cash shop nor discipline nor tickets.

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

I disagree they should be on separate servers. If people don't read up on what a GA can and can't do, that is their problem. It's not like GAs would know information in advance, have the power to spawn items, or otherwise help themselves or their faction out. At most they would need is something like the power to mute a player from worldchat, or the power to get someone unstuck. >. > Rather than putting unnecessary restrictions on the gameplay of the player, when they should still be players and not forced to give up the game. There is just no way they can know all the in and outs on the server (such as who are repeat world chat offenders) if they do not actually play on it. In additon, botting locations are different on different servers. How are they supposed to catch the numerous bots in moma or loth when they can't even enter moma or loth? They shouldn't be able to do a lot of damage as a GA, that should be left to the GMs. If the GA power is limited to only a few things that they could do better than a GM being a player (such as monitor world chat, since GMs are not actively sitting there watch it while a player is) then there would be much less ways to abuse that power in the first place.

I do admit that I didn't read 100% of all the thread, but I did read the first post and from Drakaniel definition a GA should not be there to make punishement or looking for people that doesn't follow the TOS.

From that paragraph you wrote to me it's sound like a in game GM description, GA should not be the police and looking for who do stuff against the TOS.

More and more people make it sound like GA will be a in game police more than a in game help for players. People speak like GA will be there to watch if people do stuff against the TOS, while it should not be the primary role of a GA. GA is there first to help people and to make the communication between the in game community and GM easier.

As I said it's maybe cause I'm from a PVP server that have a lot of issues, HL is kinda special so yea.... (not in the good way, but unfortunately I love PVP so I stay there xD)

And same I cannot wait to know Val ideas about that program.

ovenusarmanio

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

I do admit that I didn't read 100% of all the thread, but I did read the first post and from Drakaniel definition a GA should not be there to make punishement or looking for people that doesn't follow the TOS.

From that paragraph you wrote to me it's sound like a in game GM description, GA should not be the police and looking for who do stuff against the TOS.

More and more people make it sound like GA will be a in game police more than a in game help for players. People speak like GA will be there to watch if people do stuff against the TOS, while it should not be the primary role of a GA. GA is there first to help people and to make the communication between the in game community and GM easier.

As I said it's maybe cause I'm from a PVP server that have a lot of issues, HL is kinda special so yea.... (not in the good way, but unfortunately I love PVP so I stay there xD)

And same I cannot wait to know Val ideas about that program.

I was speaking mostly about the kind of tools a GA should have if they make GAs not really a list of all their responsibilities. But the tools are the types of things that can be abused, you can't really abuse things like helping someone find the support page. What advantage can you give a faction mate that nobody else has by teaching them how to submit a ticket? Since we are speaking on the subject of favoritism and abuse of power. It seems silly to me to say GA can abuse help a person by all the helping roles, since they wouldn't have any ability to make items, or know about future events, or anything like that. The main thing that could be abused is the mute power, but it should be reserved for extremely bad things such as gold spam bots or people spamming world chat for a really long time with super racist tirades or telling people they have nudes of another player. Extreme stuff, not just "oh I don't like that person." To get someone who can handle that, you need a trustworthy person. And you need someone with common sense and restraint.

For example, a moderator is primarily here to help players. We move threads to proper location, or we give useful information to players, we answer questions about in-game things, we edit people's thread title if they don't like it, we pass along suggestions to the GMs that the community is very vocal about (for example, we left the purify thread open because the GMs wanted it open and v4liance closed it once it reached the point nothing new was being said. They will look into it, not necessarily change anything, but look into the proc now.), report bugs we find in-game to the quality corner, etc. But sometimes we also have to do a bit of "policing" in that if someone is being disruptive remove that post. If someone is spamming world chat for a really long time (to the point nobody can find squads because they are bumping it constantly, not just normal conversation.) A GA could similarly mute that person for a couple of hours. And send a ticket to the GM with screenshots of the log. And the GM obviously will decide if to punish that person or not, any kind of actual punishment would be given to a GM. The GA should never have that kind of power. If it isn't there, they cannot abuse it.

They also should not have the ability to ban players or spawn items/mobs or any of the other tools listed in the sum-up. There can't be favoritism if they do not have that monster. If someone needs a boss spawned for example because they messed up 100 culti then the GA can give that person's name over to the GMs. And the GM can deal with it. Just like forum moderators do not have the ability to ban someone. When you ask why mod deal with troll spamming threads? It's because the mods cannot ban someone. We don't have that kind of power. :P

heerohex#3018

First i wanna say i read all the posts that come in no matter how long. I do not skip anything because i may miss something.

Hum... Sorry i kinda thought bella had a good thought with this.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands - Some people are afraid that if GAs get any kind of power they abuse it for friends and on enemies (or for themselves), I was thinking that maybe someone that get the ''post'' of GA could do it on a different server than the one he play.

My main point was goona be the abilty to help another server if no one was on for that server after reading other points tho.. Yes too much work and im sure someone on a PvE server would not want the roll of PvP server. Gotta be fair some people wont be right for this and some will. We have all agreed about Both the missuse and the Picking people. I agree with whats been said about if its not der it cant be missused. I will say this tho any Banns in the sum ups where time limited and their was no ban form server or perma ban as stated. Should that be changed to MUTE from WC tho?

To be fair im wondering if this should be rolled out in phases as well... So get the accounts set up get the GMs to do an even hopefull with the GAs present for the server. Let the GA log in and start to do what they will be doing... An introduction would be nice to inform the players of the idea and suport they will offer the game. Do this server by Server not all servers in 1 day. at the end of this launch the GA program. Gotta laugh again Can we get a Cool banner for up update part? Who makes these anywayz. LOL. Anywayz....

I know Val said he would check in i asume he has been busy with this update so that is one of the reasons i have not PMed him. And yes it would be good to get some info, but its important not to give false hope so its better to wait for some info in stone. When the updates has calmed down im sure val will poke us back.

In the meen time like whats said before anything that can be talked about by the players will give vital info and hopefull make this program work for both PWI and its Players!

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

heero200 wrote: »

I know Val said he would check in i asume he has been busy with this update so that is one of the reasons i have not PMed him. And yes it would be good to get some info, but its important not to give false hope so its better to wait for some info in stone. When the updates has calmed down im sure val will poke us back.

Val is sick atm, let's hope he feel better soon. b:flower

heerohex#3018

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Val is sick atm, let's hope he feel better soon. b:flower

Thanks for the heads up Bella.

Crixxix - Raging Tide

Can someone poke Val to see if he has any news for us?

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands

Crixxix - Raging Tide wrote: »

Can someone poke Val to see if he has any news for us?

I guess he's really busy with the update, it's still new and there's still a lot of stuff to fix.