Cube Should Not Be Pk Enabled!!!!

Tremblewith - Heavens Tear

This thread is still alive? Dear God, lmao.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Second hand rumour? That's funny. I decided to put Annalyse's post to the test, I was at 1K streams where I had a GM BearClaw invite to our squad, in response to a ticket, and told me to decline the ticket when someone is at room 38, which the ticket itself says, and they will teleport me there. Wow, second hand rumour. Try submitting one yourself.

As for getting hijacked that's a nice analogy given you optionally start and run the cube just like optionally joining a TW faction and entering the TW instance or optionally entering any PK-enabled / PVP oriented instance.

Obviously chrono is not going to be taken out of cube. I don't mind this option but it's not going to happen. Now it's time to stop thinking pie-in-the-sky and think reasonable solution. The solution has been given to you if you object to the chrono quest, which is a GM-aided completion. Whatever else you want to do to cube is now your own prerogative and not to be confused with some puppet master hijacking theory touted.

Yes, because every time someone submits a ticket the get the same treatment and run into the same GM. Or have you not noticed all the "I npced X and got it back, I npced X also and was told too bad so, sad," threads that have popped up lately. At any rate, the majority of the players have not read this thread just because you and I are privvy to the knowledge doesn't mean that is a real solution when not everyone has the same benefit. As for pie-in-the-sky or whatever, half the changes requested in the forums are not reasonable. Who cares? But there is at least one example of TT being changed from player requests, with the time-limit. Which wouldn't have happened if everyone just left stuff alone because that's the way it's always been. As for your whole, it's optional argument. As I've already said, everything is optional. But if I am going to bother to play a game, and sign up based off what the game advertises, I'd at least like to be able to finish it as advertised. I don't see anything unreasonable about that.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Yes, because every time someone submits a ticket the get the same treatment and run into the same GM. Or have you not noticed all the "I npced X and got it back, I npced X also and was told too bad so, sad," threads that have popped up lately. At any rate, the majority of the players have not read this thread just because you and I are privvy to the knowledge doesn't mean that is a real solution when not everyone has the same benefit. As for pie-in-the-sky or whatever, half the changes requested in the forums are not reasonable. Who cares? But there is at least one example of TT being changed from player requests, with the time-limit. Which wouldn't have happened if everyone just left stuff alone because that's the way it's always been. As for your whole, it's optional argument. As I've already said, everything is optional. But if I am going to bother to play a game, and sign up based off what the game advertises, I'd at least like to be able to finish it as advertised. I don't see anything unreasonable about that.

For the TT changes there had to be enough outrage to change it. Quite a number of people actually do TT compared to cube and especially compared to chrono. Few people bother doing their chrono and cultivation quests that far, and those who do just suck it up and deal with it. I've been helping a few friends learn how to do the cube and so far they aren't huge fans but the challenges that cube brings is rather original compared to the rest of the repetitive chronoworld quests, TT, FB89/99, rinse, and repeat. What follows cube? 2-3, 3-2, 3-3, FB99, rebirth.. same old, same old. The reason it doesn't get addressed on a grand scale like TT did is simply because people generally don't care. Only a select few (and I must stress the "few" part) gripe enough about the fact that chrono goes through cube so there's no need to make such a change over the blown-out-of-proportion outrage over chrono in cube on PVE servers. Only a few posters of several huge servers making a rather lively protest out of it isn't going to cause anything.

Dare I say that the GM support in this game is stellar compared to it's shoddy development. If you are calm, polite, and forthcoming in your explanations, you will get help on this issue.

Tremblewith, I say the same thing about several of the topics you keep bumping. Dear god, this is still alive?

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

For the TT changes there had to be enough outrage to change it. Few people bother doing their chrono and cultivation quests that far, and those who do just suck it up and deal with it. I've been helping a few friends learn how to do the cube and so far they aren't huge fans but the challenges that cube brings is rather original compared to the rest of the repetitive chronoworld quests, TT, FB89/99, rinse, and repeat. What follows cube? 2-3, 3-2, 3-3, FB99, rebirth.. same old, same old. The reason it doesn't get addressed on a grand scale like TT did is simply because people generally don't care. Only a select few (and I must stress the "few" part) gripe enough about the fact that chrono goes through cube so there's no need to make such a change over the blown-out-of-proportion outrage over chrono in cube on PVE servers.

Dare I say that the GM support in this game is stellar compared to it's shoddy development. If you are calm, polite, and forthcoming in your explanations, you will get help.

Tremblewith, I say the same thing about several of the topics you keep bumping. Dear god, this is still alive?

eh, a lot of the people don't do a lot of the content in this game and there is a lack of new content as well. Not gonna argue with you on that one. Just pointing out that, if you never say anything it will never get changed. And all that outrage seems silly now, considering the level of gear of people now. Besides that, I kinda find that workaround kinda condescending but whatever. That's neither here or there. And I just world chatted and got like 20 pms and none of them had ever heard of such a thing. Even people I recognize as sometimes perusing the forums. That solution is buried under several pages under a single thread, most people don't know it :P Its not a real solution if it's not official and nobody knows it exists save for a couple of people.


@Tremblewith, and some of the things you bump I find just as pointless. Like I think it was you that got really mad for a while because they didn't post a patch note that said "minor localization changes," for a couple of weeks. If I remember correctly, I apologize if that wasn't you.

Decus - Dreamweaver

Ran the cube again today and still not getting PKed in any of the rooms where it is not required. To my knowledge (and to be quite frank), I have never, in my two-and-a-half years playing this game, been PKed in a room that doesn't require PK.

If anything, I've met some rather nice people. I even accidentally tabbed and hit someone with a spell and they laughed it off. Where are the campers I was promised?
b:question

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Ran the cube again today and still not getting PKed in any of the rooms where it is not required. To my knowledge (and to be quite frank), I have never, in my two-and-a-half years playing this game, been PKed in a room that doesn't require PK.

If anything, I've met some rather nice people. I even accidentally tabbed and hit someone with a spell and they laughed it off. Where are the campers I was promised?
b:question

You are the luckiest duck ever! Buy me some packs b:cute lol jkjk I was killed the last couple of times I tried to run it, haven't tried in the last couple of weeks though to be honest. I've been killed exclusively in rooms that don't involve it, I usually just pay the do-alls for the PK enabled rooms. And one time when I did enter in there, as I said someone was nice enough to let me kill them since I had helped them past 100 second stand.

Quilue - Sanctuary

Gawd what is with all this ******** over cube? Dice tickets are like free, room 11/14 takes like 2min to get there, and the only other room people might fight in is room 34, which you can bypass with Do alls. If someone harass you past room 34 just get some friends who also run to put this person on Cube KoS. Would be pretty hilarious. Room 48? Nope you're going back son.

Alsiadorra - Sanctuary

All I got out of this thread is that if i want my 100 fairy, I need to do the cube anyway. This is my total understanding of that off-topic bit between Spiritual Cultivation and Chrono.

Decus - Dreamweaver

Alsiadorra - Sanctuary wrote: »

All I got out of this thread is that if i want my 100 fairy, I need to do the cube anyway. This is my total understanding of that off-topic bit between Spiritual Cultivation and Chrono.

That's correct. The point where they converge is shortly after you mine the thing under the lake in hell/heaven (I forget names, sorry) when you begin the Celestial cultivation. It then requires some mobs in Old Valley of the Scarred (OVS or map 3). Then, one or two kill quests later, it requires several mobs from Old Moonshade Desert (OMS or map 4). To open map 4, you must undergo a lengthy quest chain after opening OVS that will, at one point, require you to enter room 38, reach the final NPC, and click the gold quest on him.

Annalyse - Heavens Tear

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Second hand rumour? That's funny. I decided to put Annalyse's post to the test, I was at 1K streams where I had a GM BearClaw invite to our squad, in response to a ticket, and told me to decline the ticket when someone is at room 38, which the ticket itself says, and they will teleport me there. Wow, second hand rumour. Try submitting one yourself.

Unfortunately this "solution" that they gave me is nothing that will help me. My archer does need rom 38 now, but how can I expect someone to repeatedly run Cube for me until they hit room 38? And then expect them to stand there waiting for me for who knows how long it might take for GM response, with a good chance someone else will pop in and pk them and then their run is ruined as well as my chance. And finally, to avoid me possibly having to try several times they are supposed to wait by the end NPC.... but everyone I know who runs 38 since the change holy paths down the middle and sometimes has mobs trailing them, meaning click the die fast or you are dead. So it could take many tries on their part too... and I don't know anyone willing to spend hours trying to get there for no benefit to them. I would never ask anyone to do that.

For this to be an actual solution they would need to be responsible for getting someone in that room. For me, at this point, it just means room 38 stays in my quest list.

Decus - Dreamweaver

Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Unfortunately this "solution" that they gave me is nothing that will help me. My archer does need rom 38 now, but how can I expect someone to repeatedly run Cube for me until they hit room 38? And then expect them to stand there waiting for me for who knows how long it might take for GM response, with a good chance someone else will pop in and pk them and then their run is ruined as well as my chance. And finally, to avoid me possibly having to try several times they are supposed to wait by the end NPC.... but everyone I know who runs 38 since the change holy paths down the middle and sometimes has mobs trailing them, meaning click the die fast or you are dead. So it could take many tries on their part too... and I don't know anyone willing to spend hours trying to get there for no benefit to them. I would never ask anyone to do that.

For this to be an actual solution they would need to be responsible for getting someone in that room. For me, at this point, it just means room 38 stays in my quest list.

Conversely you could just run it, eventually get room 38, and be done with it. Running the cube does NOT guarantee you will get PKed...


I find it somewhat humorous that no one here has complained that RB is PK-enabled (I only recall one post on the forum a while ago). You only have one cube quest whereas you must run at least four separate delta instances before acquiring your Celestial fairy. Imagine if you want to run your wave 4 or 5 quest and someone gets their BH done, drops squad, and PKs you. Or maybe you DC, relog, and get one-shot by the zhens.

Also, I did the cube a THIRD time this morning just to keep seeing when I'll eventually die (since the posts in this thread seem to imply that it's practically a given). Still no campers and no getting PKed; just boredom on my part. Clearly the cube must be in a state of constant RPK on HT because I keep gathering that it is IMPOSSIBLE to run from all the posts I am reading.

Quilue - Sanctuary

Who actually attacks past room 34 seriously? Is HT that bad?

Alsiadorra - Sanctuary

Yes lol. Well they seem proud of it. HT isn't for the faint of heart.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Who actually attacks past room 34 seriously? Is HT that bad?

I killed a Psy in the second AOE boss room a long time ago on my Veno. ***** kept AOEing and killing my pet, which in turn, kicked the AOE from once every 3 seconds to twice a second. After the boss died, I let mah frustration out on her. b:angry I got a pissed off PM from her, all uppity for 'soloing the boss for me'. >_>

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Unfortunately this "solution" that they gave me is nothing that will help me. My archer does need rom 38 now, but how can I expect someone to repeatedly run Cube for me until they hit room 38? And then expect them to stand there waiting for me for who knows how long it might take for GM response, with a good chance someone else will pop in and pk them and then their run is ruined as well as my chance. And finally, to avoid me possibly having to try several times they are supposed to wait by the end NPC.... but everyone I know who runs 38 since the change holy paths down the middle and sometimes has mobs trailing them, meaning click the die fast or you are dead. So it could take many tries on their part too... and I don't know anyone willing to spend hours trying to get there for no benefit to them. I would never ask anyone to do that.

For this to be an actual solution they would need to be responsible for getting someone in that room. For me, at this point, it just means room 38 stays in my quest list.

Uhm, aren't you the leader of a faction? I've seen quite a number of people from Nocturne running the cube just yesterday when I started running my Mystic through it. Why don't you ask your own faction members for help?

Also, you're now complaining about the PVE aspect of room 38.. so I'm becoming less inclined to believe this is about avoiding the PK-enabled aspect of cube to complete chrono and simply just being lazy.

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Who actually attacks past room 34 seriously? Is HT that bad?

My wife, on her cleric, did her room 38 chrono over a year ago, and was unaware that 38 was a PK enabled room. There was a 5 APS +12 BM camping the entrance and she was stunlucked/killed upon entering, so she had to run quite a number of additional times (using teleport incenses) to get room 38.

There's also a chest room just before the end, think it's 48, where my wife was again attacked but on her BM and she killed the barb who did it. Just yesterday she was running cube while I was and she was killed in the second bored room by a sin while not paying attention.

It's not that HT is that bad, it's that sometimes you run into pricks, but also I've had nice people when I hit the tricky room 39 who I asked to kill me so I didn't have to burn a teleport incense, to which they did after politely asking if I was sure.

Really though this is why cube won't be changed especially for the chrono.. the difficulty of it is exaggerated, as well as the implications of it in respect to a PVE server. It's just an extreme few who take issue with those who do cube, and looking at their arguments throughout this thread, one who actually does cube cannot take it all that seriously.

brazenbusboy

Wow, the goons really came out of the woodwork to work this innocent over.

Congratulations to all the jerks who consider it a challenge to one shot level 40s with their level 100s.

Congratulations to all the developer sock puppets that play with the little people and rip them to shreds if they criticize their dev choices.

Notice how all the ones who 'do the cube' all the time, are endgamers who think they have earned the 'right' to treat lowbies like dirt.

The cube is pretty much the whole PWI pay to win scenario masquerading as a series of luck puzzles.

Testemonials about how someone came out ahead there read the same as hayseed testemonials about beating the house in Vegas. Same deal, you lose 99% of the time, but the rednecks like to brag bout the 1 time out of 100 they came out ahead there. They fail to mention the rest of the time, when they lost the equivalent of several years wages.

I stopped doing the cube after getting one shot more times than I like by miscreants 20 levels above me in the boring room.

The Cube = been there, done that, fa-ge-abou-dit, not worth the pain.

brazenbusboy

To the lvl 100 who does not get PK'd in cube:

Duh, you think maybe if you tried it on something half your level, you just might see a different outcome. No one pk'd you because you are lvl 100. Duh.

Quilue - Sanctuary

^

Are you some sort of a moron? This thread was made way before Dragoon glitch. If anything, people not running Dragoons before were the ones bored enough to camp Cube rooms.

You think level 100 makes people untouchable or something? Look at the previous few posts, it's people complaining about needing to run Cube for 4th map, what do you think their levels are? Both my archer and my cleric ran Cube at early 9x, when it started giving a PoF. In TT90s they ran Cube until they both made it to lvl 100. You do get into fights but it's not that bad and Cube is always profitable. So I ran Cube TO endgame, what have you got to say now?

@Janus
I think HT is worse than Sanct then lol...Then again I forget to mention that some would kill in the AOE rooms because if they force logged, then whoever comes in would activate the AOE mob again, so if they don't have a charm on, it's either them or whoever came in. Come to think of it that's probably why OP got killed in room 47...

Decus - Dreamweaver

brazenbusboy wrote: »

To the lvl 100 who does not get PK'd in cube:

Duh, you think maybe if you tried it on something half your level, you just might see a different outcome. No one pk'd you because you are lvl 100. Duh.

No dumbass, that's not the reason why. I have less than 4k HP with my borrowed trash gear and no pdef to speak of. I am hardly a threat.

I, like Q, played cube to endgame since it was first available to me

Yogaxpto - Dreamweaver

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Who actually attacks past room 34 seriously? Is HT that bad?

There are some noobs who use tempest on room 45... It's truly amazing how such people manage to get to the end of the cube...

ps: pwi doesn't need a non pk cube. pwi needs a noob fail-proof profitable thing...

Annalyse - Heavens Tear

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Uhm, aren't you the leader of a faction? I've seen quite a number of people from Nocturne running the cube just yesterday when I started running my Mystic through it. Why don't you ask your own faction members for help?

Also, you're now complaining about the PVE aspect of room 38.. so I'm becoming less inclined to believe this is about avoiding the PK-enabled aspect of cube to complete chrono and simply just being lazy.

Perhaps you should reread my post, in which I stated that I did not think it was fair to have someone else repeatedly run Cube for me, then stand around in room 38 once they finally did hit it for however long it might take for a GM to get me in there (possibly to get PKed while they wait). And that for most of them, due to the way they run that room, they could not wait at the end NPC the way the GMs want. Additionally, the people in my faction that run Cube steadily do so when I am not online, as apparently 5AM my time is when there are fewer if any pkers.

And the PVE aspect does not bother me. My archer has apoth to get through that room. However so far, when I try, it is the same old routine: get pked until I give up out of frustration. And maybe that doesn't upset *you*, but not everyone is the same as you. I dislike anything to do with pk and normally it isn't a bother because I can easily avoid all of the pk events. All I want is for an option for people like myself to not be forced into PK just because they want to finish their culti. I do not see why you are complaining about that, since it would not affect all of you that like PK in Cube.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Perhaps you should reread my post, in which I stated that I did not think it was fair to have someone else repeatedly run Cube for me, then stand around in room 38 once they finally did hit it for however long it might take for a GM to get me in there (possibly to get PKed while they wait). And that for most of them, due to the way they run that room, they could not wait at the end NPC the way the GMs want. Additionally, the people in my faction that run Cube steadily do so when I am not online, as apparently 5AM my time is when there are fewer if any pkers.

And the PVE aspect does not bother me. My archer has apoth to get through that room. However so far, when I try, it is the same old routine: get pked until I give up out of frustration. And maybe that doesn't upset *you*, but not everyone is the same as you. I dislike anything to do with pk and normally it isn't a bother because I can easily avoid all of the pk events. All I want is for an option for people like myself to not be forced into PK just because they want to finish their culti. I do not see why you are complaining about that, since it would not affect all of you that like PK in Cube.

So let me get this straight.

You have a forum system for your very own faction for members but don't care to use that to ask for help. You have a faction chat where you could ask faction for help. You have as much help as the game will allow someone who is really hellbent on crying about chrono in cube, as you very well know it won't change. Yet, still complaining about every single aspect and embellishing this "helpless Annalyse" gimmick. I guess I should finally go out on a limb given the probability of what you're saying -- you're lying. One doesn't run through cube and get PK'd endlessly until they give up short of running cube on those extreme rare days where there's an actual event in the cube. I've sat there and done three room 38 cube runs in the last week, on a veno, on a mystic, and on an archer, and zero times have I been PK'd (actually once but I don't count it since I asked them to PK me as I passed room 38 and they respectfully asked if I was sure), especially, surprisingly, on my mystic who is in the 90s, and my veno who took all fricken day of cube of making it to 38 and continuously running into both bored rooms and both PK rooms after dying to an ant the second or third try initially -- the odds are so horrendously low. Yet, somehow, never fail, you get PK'd? Sorry. Don't buy it, and the more excuses you come up with the more inclined I am to believe that you're simply making this up and are purposefully being lazy for whatever agenda you have.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Yeah, because the agenda behind this thread isn't obvious from the title.....and the workaround isn't the greatest solution because even if you could get someone willing to do that for you, asking someone not to play their character for a week or more (I think my ticket took like a month to resolve and it was fairly simple, though at least it ended favorable) while you wait for customer to get back to you is pretty rude. I mean even if they are willing to do it, I would rather not ask as it selfishly burdens someone else with both the PvE and PvP cost of doing it just because you don't like one tiny aspect. I'd rather my character get killed a million times then put my problem on someone else (a person behind that computer who just wants to play their game and their characters). I think for this to be a legitimate solution, the GMs should just have some noob character they put in there for the sole purpose of taking care of tickets. If they did that, so that you could reasonably get it done PvE I dont think there would be any reasonable resistance to the cube.

Decus - Dreamweaver

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Yeah, because the agenda behind this thread isn't obvious from the title.....

His post is still valid.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

His post is still valid.

Making up motivations for other peoples posts because something doesn't happen to you personally isn't valid. The part about asking the faction I addressed in my other post. :P After the edit, but you ninjaed me. V.V

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Yeah, because the agenda behind this thread isn't obvious from the title.....and the workaround isn't the greatest solution because even if you could get someone willing to do that for you, asking someone not to play their character for a week or more (I think my ticket took like a month to resolve and it was fairly simple, though at least it ended favorable) while you wait for customer to get back to you is pretty rude. I mean even if they are willing to do it, I would rather not ask as it selfishly burdens someone else with both the PvE and PvP cost of doing it just because you don't like one tiny aspect. I'd rather my character get killed a million times then put my problem on someone else (a person behind that computer who just wants to play their game and their characters). I think for this to be a legitimate solution, the GMs should just have some noob character they put in there for the sole purpose of taking care of tickets. If they did that, so that you could reasonably get it done PvE I dont think there would be any reasonable resistance to the cube.

Can always just do it yourself..

Cube isn't difficult at all. Two posters have expended tenfold the effort to complain about chrono in cube than actually do it. That there are PK rooms being the justification is okay as far as the theoretical debate surrounding whether or not chrono should be in cube in the first place. OTOH, being what it is, i.e. no longer a theoretical debate, basing it on the rules/quests and being that this person is embellishing the PK aspect of cube, it's hard to side with and empathize for more than two seconds before getting annoyed at the endless whining.

Getting your two full rebirths done (one chrono, one cultivation), especially finding a decent squad if you don't already have the friends/faction mates, is far more difficult and costly than room 38.

As for going after people's motivations, yeah, I rightfully question people's motivation when they are given far more accommodations than everyone else normally gets and still they whine about it.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Can always just do it yourself..

Cube isn't difficult at all. Two posters have expended tenfold the effort to complain about chrono in cube than actually do it. That there are PK rooms being the justification is okay as far as the theoretical debate surrounding whether or not chrono should be in cube in the first place. OTOH, being what it is, i.e. no longer a theoretical debate, basing it on the rules/quests and being that this person is embellishing the PK aspect of cube, it's hard to side with and empathize for more than two seconds before getting annoyed at the endless whining.

Getting your two full rebirths done (one chrono, one cultivation), especially finding a decent squad if you don't already have the friends/faction mates, is far more difficult and costly than room 38.

As for going after people's motivations, yeah, I rightfully question people's motivation when they are given far more accommodations than everyone else normally gets and still they whine about it.

It's more like the principle behind the matter Janus. As I've said, I haven't done cube in a while and won't until I'm ready to do my 100 culti just so I can avoid the PK. Saying, "oh you know we did advertise this as PvE, tell ya what why don't you just burden your friends?" isn't really a solution. Not to mention there is zero mention of this anywhere, as I said I tried world chat. If there was something that at least get the message out you can use tickets, and they just stuck some noob 40 character in there in order to honor this workaround for more than just the couple of people responding to this thread, then it wouldn't be a problem. A legitimate workaround is something the average player would know. I wouldn't care anymore as it would no longer being **** one side of the playerbase just to help the other. It doesn't even seem like that hard of a thing to do. Heck, you an update to that sticky detailing the rules of the cube would suffice.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'd rather my character get killed a million times then put my problem on someone else (a person behind that computer who just wants to play their game and their characters).

and I did say I'd rather just do it myself, for the record

LilNai - Harshlands

Lol PvErs getting so worked up about 1 tiny little trouble spot.

Just think of it like a super hard boss! Antistun - IG as you teleport and start running. You'll be amazed at how easy that room is with just a little luck.

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear

LilNai - Harshlands wrote: »

[...stuff that had nothing at all to do with anything in this thread...]

+1 to your post count, without your having to actually read anything.

Alsiadorra - Sanctuary

..I don't believe Annalyse is lying.. Some are lucky, some are not.. some are even bullied, while others are "allowed" to get by.