bm class made weaker?

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  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Been said before.. original BMs weren't faced with R8/9 and +10-12 gear/weapons.

    Just because a lot of BMs use CCing as part of their PvP tactics doesn't mean they can't play. I can sit there and stunlock for quite a while, but I still used CCing as part of my combos.

    Getting tired of non-BMs trying to talk like they know about BMs or how they're played, roll a BM, go up against R8/9 without CCing, try to spark, get your sorry *** kicked because you have no chi and they break out of it, THEN tell us to learn to play.

    You think I haven't played a BM? I've had more than one actually. Just because I don't post on a BM avatar doesn't mean I don't know about the class.

    Here is an idea people can't seem to get through their heads: Maybe not every class is supposed to be a killer in pvp. Perhaps some are more suited to a support role, like a good TW venomancer that debuffs everyone in sight making groups easier to kill. I loved purging someone that was nearly unkillable by anyone then watching them die 2 seconds later due to no buffs.
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  • Burnout - Harshlands
    Burnout - Harshlands Posts: 2,585 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    This makes me sad for the dedicated axe pvp bm's. Now the only viable way to kill someone in pvp for BM's is to get APS gear and right click on people.
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  • Infernia - Harshlands
    Infernia - Harshlands Posts: 662 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Channel Cancelling was a glitch/**** piece of programming imo.

    Glad its fixed. Hope they fix more stuff. Just because BMs "got screwed" (Lol, so wrong.) by this update, doesnt mean there wont be more balancing updates to come.
  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    This is so totally not a big deal.
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  • brent40
    brent40 Posts: 49
    edited June 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    SO many things have been broken in the game for years. Now you're saying devs aren't allowed to fix any of them? That's silly.

    No they shouldnt, it was their Negligence that lead people to aquire this type of gameplay for BMs, Why should people that have invested years into this game as BM, just be thrown to the curb? People went demon BASED in this.... will they hand out free celestial molds to those that may see it now that BMs are only worth sage culti? People went pure fist/claw paths... witll PWI hand over all those ignored skills? Nahhhhh **** them amarite? What would a none BM care anyway. Least let them vent it out.
  • ColdSnow - Dreamweaver
    ColdSnow - Dreamweaver Posts: 983 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    brent40 wrote: »
    This really isnt on a PvE level of discussion. More so in a PvP....PvE = 3spark auto attack anyway.

    i mentioned both. there are like 8 other classes that are underpowered pve and pvp wise yet ppl are crying about getting small bug fixed (and that only cause of a buff). if that many relied only on that, then they must have failed as BM in pvp anyway..and then saying "it allowed me to stay in game"...emm what? what about other classes who bites the dust? BM gets a bit more balanced and suddenly its unfair?

    Edit: excuse me my harsh tone.
    If i m trolling and spamming on forum...then i cant sleep and need a good laugh
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »
    This makes me sad for the dedicated axe pvp bm's. Now the only viable way to kill someone in pvp for BM's is to get APS gear and right click on people.

    Right click then... player info?
  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    brent40 wrote: »
    No they shouldnt, it was their Negligence that lead people to aquire this type of gameplay for BMs, Why should people that have invested years into this game as BM, just be thrown to the curb? People went demon BASED in this.... will they hand out free celestial molds to those that may see it now that BMs are only worth sage culti? People went pure fist/claw paths... witll PWI hand over all those ignored skills? Nahhhhh **** them amarite? What would a none BM care anyway. Least let them vent it out.

    This fits with my policy on picking a class/build in mmos: Do not make your choice based on one thing alone, it can be removed/changed at any time then you have nothing.
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    Celestial Sage Venomancer Zoe - 100
    Sage Barbarian Malego - 91
  • brent40
    brent40 Posts: 49
    edited June 2011
    ColdSnow - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    i mentioned both. there are like 8 other classes that are underpowered pve and pvp wise yet ppl are crying about getting small bug fixed (and that only cause of a buff). if you relied only on that, then you must have sucked as BM in pvp anyway..and then saying "it allowed me to stay in game"...emm what? what about other classes who bites the dust? BM gets a bit more balanced and suddenly its unfair?

    I hardley doubt you play a BM...^^ Play one to level 101, and compete with actual endgame geared people. and do so without the CCing. The player wont fail, the class does then,,, Slow animation+long cast+subpar damage+longer cool downs. Good luck beating a charm-tick. even on a wizzy. b:bye


    either way its done, and the forums are full of brickwalls so pointless topics. Glad I retired my BM after the fish came.
  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    ColdSnow - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    i mentioned both. there are like 8 other classes that are underpowered pve and pvp wise yet ppl are crying about getting small bug fixed (and that only cause of a buff). if you relied only on that, then this guy must have failed as BM in pvp anyway..and then saying "it allowed me to stay in game"...emm what? what about other classes who bites the dust? BM gets a bit more balanced and suddenly its unfair?

    Edit: excuse me my harsh tone.

    Uh.. the PvE part? Sure... but R8's underpowered in PvP? The **** are you smokin' lady? I want some. R8 Mages with +10 can two shot BMs without Demon marrow, they can one shot us without marrow on if they crit (some BMs have low enough Mdef/HP that it doesn't even need to crit). When decently geared an Arcane can take the damage a -int user dishes out, I'd know this because before R8 came out I was fighting 4-5APS BMs with my Cleric. With TT90 Gear that was +3. With a TT90 Weapon... and I was actually winning. You're telling me that someone with a weapon that does pretty much twice the damage I could dish out is underpowered? What the **** ever, R8 hits like a freaking train once it's refined. BMs were somewhat balanced when we could crit glitch, now... we're just food for any class with good gear because even if we do get in range as long as they know what they're doing... they can counter our tactics and we pretty much have to spark to bring 'em down.
  • Almon - Lost City
    Almon - Lost City Posts: 164 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    I also forgot to mention that we lose the ability to glitch at the same time as PWI gives us a rank sale. That's a cute little joke... Kiss my ***.
    Sad enough to say, alone we can barely light a match, but together we can burn this place down
  • Zenorx - Harshlands
    Zenorx - Harshlands Posts: 443 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Although CCing is a glitch, I think it's rather sad that it has been removed, It was just one of those things that took some slight skill, made PvP fun and made the BMs an old school "cool" class to play.

    I don't play my BM much these days, but I sure think it's sad CC got removed, It was fun, effective, and most of all, took skill
  • ColdSnow - Dreamweaver
    ColdSnow - Dreamweaver Posts: 983 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Uh.. the PvE part? Sure... but R8's underpowered in PvP? The **** are you smokin' lady? I want some. R8 Mages with +10 can two shot BMs without Demon marrow, they can one shot us without marrow on if they crit (some BMs have low enough Mdef/HP that it doesn't even need to crit). When decently geared an Arcane can take the damage a -int user dishes out, I'd know this because before R8 came out I was fighting 4-5APS BMs with my Cleric. With TT90 Gear that was +3. With a TT90 Weapon... and I was actually winning. You're telling me that someone with a weapon that does pretty much twice the damage I could dish out is underpowered? What the **** ever, R8 hits like a freaking train once it's refined. BMs were somewhat balanced when we could crit glitch, now... we're just food for any class with good gear because even if we do get in range as long as they know what they're doing... they can counter our tactics and we pretty much have to spark to bring 'em down.

    to bad that i cant check the ranking cause i m pretty sure that last time the page worked properly it showed that 70% of sins and 20% of BMs lead the pvp ranking list. not everyone afford rank 8 as not everyone can afford 5aps. You expect TT90 to win against rank 8?
    If i m trolling and spamming on forum...then i cant sleep and need a good laugh
  • RADD_RATT - Harshlands
    RADD_RATT - Harshlands Posts: 349 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    For real though, I don't even have a BM and im still saying I DONT CARE YOU TOOK IT AWAY FROM THE SINS JUST GIVE IT BACK TO THE BMS AND SEEKERS....please and thank you
  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    ColdSnow - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    to bad that i cant check the ranking cause i m pretty sure that last time the page worked properly it showed that 70% of sins and 20% of BMs lead the pvp ranking list. not everyone afford rank 8 as not everyone can afford 5aps. You expect TT90 to win against rank 8?

    Um... no? I never said that, please re-read my post. You said that R8 is underpowered in PvP, I said it's not and gave an example of how I was able to combat 5APS users with TT90 stuff. Rank 8 is like 70m... and everyone that pks at end game is able to afford it. We're talking about end game pk here, level 99 and below isn't end game anymore. End game is where we have 5APS, we have people in R8, and we have people in +10 gear with +12 weapons. Fighting that without crit glitching is a pain. You'll have to exhaust their genie and then hope your Occult Ice works so you can set up a spark/stun combo and if that fails... you won't really have the chi to counter whatever they might do.

    Also.. in terms of PvP kills... it's mostly Archers and Mages, the amount of Sins and BMs is far outshined by those two classes. Soooo yeah.. maybe bother to check the rankings before you go pulling facts out of your *** that aren't even true.
  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    CC never should have existed to begin with but we know all how intelligent the devs are I'm sure. The old issue with the phoenix pet bleed never should have existed either.

    However, just because you can do it, does not mean you should. I never did CC on my bms nor did I ever put FR on my pets.
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    Celestial Sage Venomancer Zoe - 100
    Sage Barbarian Malego - 91
  • Fenrina - Heavens Tear
    Fenrina - Heavens Tear Posts: 119 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    RADD_RATT - Harshlands wrote: »
    For real though, I don't even have a BM and im still saying I DONT CARE YOU TOOK IT AWAY FROM THE SINS JUST GIVE IT BACK TO THE BMS AND SEEKERS....please and thank you

    I think arguing for bms/seekers getting this back is a lost cause.

    That said, I do think there's hope for bms. The patch also added the "evasion" buff to plants mentioned in this post. I tested it, and it works great. That is a good indication that the devs are at least looking at balance and could make up for this at a later date. That said, I wouldn't hold your breath over it. They're not known for speed.
  • RADD_RATT - Harshlands
    RADD_RATT - Harshlands Posts: 349 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Fenrina - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I think arguing for bms/seekers getting this back is a lost cause.

    That said, I do think there's hope for bms. The patch also added the "evasion" buff to plants mentioned in this post. I tested it, and it works great. That is a good indication that the devs are at least looking at balance and could make up for this at a later date. That said, I wouldn't hold your breath over it. They're not known for speed.

    *holds breath*
  • RADD_RATT - Harshlands
    RADD_RATT - Harshlands Posts: 349 Arc User
    edited June 2011
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  • RADD_RATT - Harshlands
    RADD_RATT - Harshlands Posts: 349 Arc User
    edited June 2011
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  • Fenrina - Heavens Tear
    Fenrina - Heavens Tear Posts: 119 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Sheesh, I walked right into that one.
  • Ohaider - Dreamweaver
    Ohaider - Dreamweaver Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Every Arcane class that's been saying "if you can't kill without them glitches then your a fail blademaster."

    no i think not, i think a fail blademaster is someone who can only

    A: Tick charms
    B: Heavens flame hoping surrounding teammates can finish your target
    C:Kill people by by triple sparking and occult landing

    it takes a good blademaster, not only in gear but in ability to down a 25k+ hp barb or 15k pdef veno w/10k+ hp. And im sorry but unless you catch them afk without a charm, auto attacking will not do it. stun them all day and night if you want, just be prepared for when they equip another charm after you burned the one they had on, because that'll be your only result.
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    LOL this seems relevant so I'll post it here.

    My BM didn't have my magic marrow on and my genie was on c/d. I just got one shotted by a Cleric's nub combo of sleep, debuff tempest, who had R8+3. GG. BM's not boned enough already at all, nope.
  • Aubree - Dreamweaver
    Aubree - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,868 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    So what you BM's are saying is that you can no longer use the skill at all? I mean seriously you can still get the buffs, just you have to actually use the skill b:laugh
  • ArchSaber - Sanctuary
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary Posts: 1,440 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Wasn't everyones request was to re balance the game?

    No one ever asked to nerf BMs lol. Any class could kill BMs if played correctly.

    This drops bms so much.
    Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    So what you BM's are saying is that you can no longer use the skill at all? I mean seriously you can still get the buffs, just you have to actually use the skill b:laugh

    You don't get it. Using it requires sparks. I don't know why the whole world doesn't know about cancel casting.
    AP classes are a real butt pounding...
  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Yeah I'd actually have to spend 2 sparks for the fire buff if I want to take down 15k hp BMs. The fact that I just got one shotted by someone who spent 1/10 of what I did on gears just shows you how amazing rank sale has been for BM.
  • Pytharia - Lost City
    Pytharia - Lost City Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    So what you BM's are saying is that you can no longer use the skill at all? I mean seriously you can still get the buffs, just you have to actually use the skill b:laugh

    and lose 2 sparks? we're not sins, we can't **** chi out our butts b:surrender
    ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You don't get it. Using it requires sparks. I don't know why the whole world doesn't know about cancel casting.

    kinda proves how little a problem it was.
  • Random - Harshlands
    Random - Harshlands Posts: 46 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    i don't think anyone wants to spend two sparks on it which is what i think is the main issue here o.o


    Edit:wow within a minute u get 4+ replies o.o
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    Random - Harshlands wrote: »
    i don't think anyone wants to spend two sparks on it which is what i think is the main issue here o.o


    Edit:wow within a minute u get 4+ replies o.o

    That's what happens when you invoke the rage of Blademasters. They get all up in your **** man, all up in it.
  • Infernia - Harshlands
    Infernia - Harshlands Posts: 662 Arc User
    edited June 2011
    b:chuckle Still loling at the pissed BMs who have to learn to play without abusing a piece of **** programming.

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