Genie Discussion

Adroit - Lost City

Sun_Burn - Lost City wrote: »

You pretty much explained it right there, that purify sums it up for me. I really wish PWI would learn how to do descriptions correctly... Fortify says "immune to stun" and doesnt say purify or anything.. why would I assume faith to be any different? /sigh

Well now Ima rethink about rebuilding my genies skills, Ill have to sit down and caclulate what affinity ill need for everything I want and what level genie i would need, and with how many lucky points.

As for wind shield, I was more thinking along the lines of fighting aps characters since for the most part I die to sins.

I hardly ever use wind shield against aps chars, thats what I have fortify/badge for xD I have found that against BMs for example, I almost never use anything besides fortify/badge.. so unless I find skills that are more effective than fortify/badge, there really isn't any point adding them for the same situations. So I add skills like wind shield/faith etc etc to deal with situations when fortify/badge would not be useful. I loved the idea back in the day having spammable useful skills against aps chars, and wished I had something that would help against magic classes (enter windshield).

I remember having clerics sleep me, triple spark and wreck me (while I was essentially helpless) and getting really frustrated. The only skill that even remotely helped was domain, but if they could hit me for a little over my max hp with one hit (esp w/ a crit).. I could domain the first.. but I'd still be slept and then die when the next hit(s) came in. It's awesome having skills like wind shield (prevent that one shot.. and allows the first hit to wake me up so I can use apoth/fow etc and live to see another day) or faith to just wake myself up and obviously go from there. Anyway, if you can find something more useful than fortify/badge against aps chars.. by all means try it out on your genie. But if you just want to have 8 different options for one situation, I think you'd be better off choosing what works best and leave your other skill slots to deal with other situations.

edit: and fyi.. there is nothing you can do against a good sin. I've actually found faith to be pretty useful against sins, you can faith + sutra and not have to worry about tele stun/occult/headhunt/deep sting/throatcut etc for a slight chance at taking a sin down. It is really the only genie skill that a good sin would be forced to use apoth/genie/force stealth on, as you'll be uncontrollable for a few seconds. They can't use all their control skills to stop you from attacking, so they would actually be forced to be a little defensive. What sucks is when they force stealth and just laugh as they wait the 5 seconds and then take you down when your genie is out of energy.. but there is really nothing you can do about that with any genie skills.. so you're SOL anyway. I actually originally got faith as an anti-sin skill (lol) but I've really grown to like it for much more than just sins.

HardToThink - Lost City

I thought my genie wasnt going to work at all in tw but I took it to the one on friday and it helped alot! =] With defense charms and o'mally + windshield Magefizban and cheze's psy were hitting me for 1-2k's so I lived long enough to dd on things. (Badge saved me a few times to ) 16 second poison on high risk targets was nice. A few times I managed to spark bt people lol b:heart

chaoticshelly

Stickied for being informative and relevant. Keep up the good job!

Adroit - Lost City

ChaoticShelly wrote: »

Stickied for being informative and relevant. Keep up the good job!

awesome thx

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

Lol it's about time. Glad to see my poll could finally get this stickied b:pleased

Thanks Shelly b:thanks

Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary

About time this got stickied.

Adroit - Lost City

@Hex for his other thread
Genie Affinity Calculator
http://aster.ohmydays.net/pw/geniecalculator.html

Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary

Ok, so I got a new genie, and I have a relatively minor question for it.

It's an 84/100 zeal (lvl 101)
5 str, 74 dex, 45 vit, 55 mag (base stats)
Holy path
Fortify
Badge of courage
Spark
Wind shield
Faith (gonna try it out...)
Extreme poison

I'm going to give him dex/vit gears, so it'll be 90 dex 61 vit 55 mag.
The genie still has 2 extra points to spend, and I'm wondering if I should go 90 dex 61 vit 56 mag or 92 dex 60 vit 54 mag (44 base vit) for that extra 1% on badge and minor improvement on spark...

Adroit - Lost City

Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary wrote: »

Ok, so I got a new genie, and I have a relatively minor question for it.

It's an 84/100 zeal (lvl 101)
5 str, 74 dex, 45 vit, 55 mag (base stats)
Holy path
Fortify
Badge of courage
Spark
Wind shield
Faith (gonna try it out...)
Extreme poison

I'm going to give him dex/vit gears, so it'll be 90 dex 61 vit 55 mag.
The genie still has 2 extra points to spend, and I'm wondering if I should go 90 dex 61 vit 56 mag or 92 dex 60 vit 54 mag (44 base vit) for that extra 1% on badge and minor improvement on spark...

awesome genie Honestly those last couple points really won't make or break your genie.. you could just flip a coin or something and be fine either way. I'd probably go with base 74dex, 45vit, 55mag and then the 2 remaining points could bump up the vit/mag by one point. I guess I just feel like I'm accomplishing something when I have an extra 1 or 2 total stat points (74dex + 45vit + 55mag + 1extra vit/mag = 175total .. 75dex + 44vit + 54mag = 173total). On the same token, having badge succeed an extra 7% of the time is nothing to scoff at either. It is actually a surprisingly difficult decision for so few points haha Good luck deciding and make sure to share your experiences after you've tested your genie a bit!

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary wrote: »

Ok, so I got a new genie, and I have a relatively minor question for it.

It's an 84/100 zeal (lvl 101)
5 str, 74 dex, 45 vit, 55 mag (base stats)
Holy path
Fortify
Badge of courage
Spark
Wind shield
Faith (gonna try it out...)
Extreme poison

I'm going to give him dex/vit gears, so it'll be 90 dex 61 vit 55 mag.
The genie still has 2 extra points to spend, and I'm wondering if I should go 90 dex 61 vit 56 mag or 92 dex 60 vit 54 mag (44 base vit) for that extra 1% on badge and minor improvement on spark...

Isn't it kinda redundant to have fortify and badge of courage and faith? For the energy cost of faith you have enough energy to use badge + fortify and those two have shorter cool downs. Actually with your stats if you use badge you'll be able to use badge again before you'd get enough energy to use faith (160)... there's never a case where you have faith available but not badge.

Faith is useful against seal I guess so decent against psychic / wiz (though will surge is good there too). I'd still probably go with cloud eruption or expel / AD.

Adroit - Lost City

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Isn't it kinda redundant to have fortify and badge of courage and faith? For the energy cost of faith you have enough energy to use badge + fortify and those two have shorter cool downs. Actually with your stats if you use badge you'll be able to use badge again before you'd get enough energy to use faith (160)... there's never a case where you have faith available but not badge.

Faith is useful against seal I guess so decent against psychic / wiz (though will surge is good there too). I'd still probably go with cloud eruption or expel / AD.

Faith is really an all around skill that isn't used just for stuns. Being able to remove seal/sleep/debuffs etc can really be nice. I use it mainly against magic classes where fortify and badge are not quite as useful. It's great for turning the tides in a fight when an opponent uses a ton of resources going for the kill or to guarantee I won't be interrupted as I finish off an opponent (i.e. resists/removes sleep or seal). I could name dozens of situations I've been glad that I had it.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that a purify + 5 seconds of immunity to negative effects is more than just an anti-stun skill.

edit: it is useful against seal, as well as sleep. It also has the added bonus of being able to be used to resist the seal/sleep or to remove it (depending on the situation) or remove/resist a combination of control skills (perhaps multiple opponents.. or a sin). It can also be used similar to AD in that you should be able to survive nearly anything if you have no debuffs or control skills on you. For a last skill that covers basically any situation that the rest of your genie lacks, I think it it makes alot of sense.

HardToThink - Lost City

I'm thinking of replacing Holy Path on my genie with Absolute domain or cloud eruption. In the past monthish I've only used it in bh's. x/x
http://i55.tinypic.com/o9r0h4.jpg
But I dunno yet, what do any of you think? Just for opinions they're helpful =]

Adroit - Lost City

HardToThink - Lost City wrote: »

I'm thinking of replacing Holy Path on my genie with Absolute domain or cloud eruption. In the past monthish I've only used it in bh's. x/x
http://i55.tinypic.com/o9r0h4.jpg
But I dunno yet, what do any of you think? Just for opinions they're helpful =]

I think it'd be a really good idea to somehow fit AD on your genie. It's just so nice having a get out of jail free skill that you can use every once in a while. I personally really like holy path because I feel so vulnerable on the ground (can't instantly drop for half damage whenever I want -.-), but if you don't use it.. you should probably drop it. I was in a similar situation a while back when I had fortify, wind force, domain, holy path, spark, extreme poison, and frenzy on my genie. I had decided that I needed badge on my genie (this was just before my video w/ Calvin) and couldn't decide what to drop. I ended up dropping poison after pulling my hair out a while, and have been very happy with that choice since.

Luckily it really isn't the end of the world w/ whatever you choose, you can always buy another restat thingy if aren't happy with the new skill. I'd probably just sit on it a couple days and go with your gut :P

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

@Hex for his other thread
Genie Affinity Calculator
http://aster.ohmydays.net/pw/geniecalculator.html

ty adroit xD




b:cold seems like adding cloud eruption breaks most good combos

i dont have the motivation to lvlup to 105 to make these genies happen -_- (combining faith and cloud eruption = 105)



so i just have to run around without a chi skill or a less efficient genie

demon sucks ! lol



i made a sucky 81lp hybrid to try stuff:
(i have 3 free affinity resets on bank so meh)

Spark
Wind Shield
Extreme Poison
Fortify
Holy Path
Badge of Courage
Cloud Eruption

...dex is pretty low yet - badge fails half of the time for me


faith seems to be some awesome skill, but requires so many affinity points xd


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i have a few clean 71 lp genies sitting on my chars
replacing badge with faith worth it?

Spark
Wind Shield
Extreme Poison
Fortify
Holy Path
Faith

>.>

Adroit - Lost City

HexOmega - Dreamweaver wrote: »

ty adroit xD




b:cold seems like adding cloud eruption breaks most good combos

i dont have the motivation to lvlup to 105 to make these genies happen -_- (combining faith and cloud eruption = 105)



so i just have to run around without a chi skill or a less efficient genie

demon sucks ! lol



i made a sucky 81lp hybrid to try stuff:
(i have 3 free affinity resets on bank so meh)

Spark
Wind Shield
Extreme Poison
Fortify
Holy Path
Badge of Courage
Cloud Eruption

...dex is pretty low yet - badge fails half of the time for me


faith seems to be some awesome skill, but requires so many affinity points xd


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i have a few clean 71 lp genies sitting on my chars
replacing badge with faith worth it?

Spark
Wind Shield
Extreme Poison
Fortify
Holy Path
Faith

>.>

Haha ya, cloud eruption is kinda expensive affinity wise. I personally wouldn't drop badge on my genie, I just use it way too much. It's nice being able to use a 75 energy skill instead of a 160 skill when all you need to get rid of is a stun. You pay a premium for having a skill that is as versatile as faith or domain Good luck with your genies!

Wizzie - Raging Tide

Is my genie really bad? (I don't have Badge of Courage/Faith) -.-

Ursa - Dreamweaver

if you feel it helps you do the stuff you want to, then it's not bad.
Can it be better? depends on what you're using it for, how much you PvP, what gear you have, if you need more survival or more control/dmg, stuff like that.
There is no "absolute best" genie.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Wizzie - Raging Tide wrote: »

Is my genie really bad? (I don't have Badge of Courage/Faith) -.-

That's an archer genie. A wiz genie needs to have spark on it since spark + undine = OP.

Adroit - Lost City

Wizzie - Raging Tide wrote: »

Is my genie really bad? (I don't have Badge of Courage/Faith) -.-

For a vit/mag genie it's perfect. I am a bit biased towards dex genies though, and kinda agree with Asterelle. Spark is just a fantastic skill, and you might consider a second genie or something to try it out and see what you like. But like I said, assuming you didn't want to make a dex genie for w/e reason, you're doing it right for a vit/mag genie.

Wizzie - Raging Tide

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

For a vit/mag genie it's perfect. I am a bit biased towards dex genies though, and kinda agree with Asterelle. Spark is just a fantastic skill, and you might consider a second genie or something to try it out and see what you like. But like I said, assuming you didn't want to make a dex genie for w/e reason, you're doing it right for a vit/mag genie.

I just like high regeneration, not like i knew what i was doing...I thought if it regenerates fast, I can use my skills faster. And i will try spark out, I am really curious, i've never had it before. Thank you!

Acshor - Raging Tide

Tryied that genie Spark. Works awesome, I have another genie which is full dex (100 dex) and with spark, it reduces the fire resistance to minimal, making a non-r9 target 1 shot.

Edit: ugh, wrong account... I'm Wizzie.

Adroit - Lost City

Acshor - Raging Tide wrote: »

Tryied that genie Spark. Works awesome, I have another genie which is full dex (100 dex) and with spark, it reduces the fire resistance to minimal, making a non-r9 target 1 shot.

Edit: ugh, wrong account... I'm Wizzie.

Went to the dark side I see (sin) >:( So you like spark, but do you like it enough to change your genie around for it?

Wizzie - Raging Tide

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Went to the dark side I see (sin) >:( So you like spark, but do you like it enough to change your genie around for it?

Hehe, I made the sin to play with my ex-ingame wife, we got bored... and I like the spark, but I have 2 genies now... the one with full magic and the one with full dex... when i'll be in catakill squad i'll use the spark one.. that's all.I still like my fast regen better, because i can expel more and saves my *** from the sins in TW. I don't really pk much. TW is my life b:chuckle

Adroit - Lost City

Wizzie - Raging Tide wrote: »

Hehe, I made the sin to play with my ex-ingame wife, we got bored... and I like the spark, but I have 2 genies now... the one with full magic and the one with full dex... when i'll be in catakill squad i'll use the spark one.. that's all.I still like my fast regen better, because i can expel more and saves my *** from the sins in TW. I don't really pk much. TW is my life b:chuckle

Out of curiosity, what is on your dex/spark genie? I'm curious about the skills as well as the LP/stats on it

Acshor - Raging Tide

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Out of curiosity, what is on your dex/spark genie? I'm curious about the skills as well as the LP/stats on it

Sorry for the delay, here...
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/8409/thise.png

and I'm too lazy to switch to my Wiz's account now, I am waiting for an answer to a ticket on this account.

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

Acshor - Raging Tide wrote: »

Sorry for the delay, here...
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/8409/thise.png

and I'm too lazy to switch to my Wiz's account now, I am waiting for an answer to a ticket on this account.

I must bring this info to Deci immediately! Enemy information!!! b:chuckle

Acshor - Raging Tide

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

I must bring this info to Deci immediately! Enemy information!!! b:chuckle

Q_Q I forgot about enemiesb:cry

Adroit - Lost City

Acshor - Raging Tide wrote: »

Sorry for the delay, here...
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/8409/thise.png

and I'm too lazy to switch to my Wiz's account now, I am waiting for an answer to a ticket on this account.

lol I can see why you don't care for dex genies so much.. that genie isn't really doing you any justice. For lower LP genies I'd HIGHLY suggest lowering the dex a bit so you can at least get some points into mag. 5magic just doesn't cut it. I'd normally suggest like 90 in dex w/ gear (100 is an option if you have a really high LP genie), but if you are going to be using a 66/100.. you might even consider like 80 dex. You should have a minimum of like 40+ magic (I'd suggest going for 45 if you could.. thats the last point before it takes 2 stats/point).

Remove expel.. it really doesn't have a place on your genie. On a super high LP genie you could make a case for it, but definitely not on the top 5 skills for a dex genie. I'd say replace it with fortify.. fortify + badge + half a brain should be more than enough to deal with physical classes. Most people use expel primarily when they get stunned, and now you have badge to deal with stuns (and costs quite a bit less energy).. expel gets kinda replaced (there are still situations where it would be useful, but not enough to be worth putting on your genie imo). I would normally bug you to throw on wind shield because you have a dex genie, but you don't really have a spot for it honestly.

Anyway, if I were you I'd either find at least a 7x/100 genie or change your current one and reserve judgement until you've done so. If that was the only dex genie I'd ever used, I'm sure I'd have a vit/mag genie now :P

Acshor - Raging Tide

Yeah... but I like my vit/mag genie more since i don't PK much, TW is more crowded... and when a sin pops up i usually expel and it saves me right away. It's just my style... got used to it... don't think i'm gonna change it Thanks for your advices Adroit, I really appreciate.

Pearlwood - Lost City

I just mention this cause a long time ago in a galaxy far far away (in game time that's about 4 months) i thought CE was indispensible on a genie. Adroit tactfully addressed that belief. Now I don't even need CE in Frost, and i always believed that a chi genie would be mandatory for Frost. I was wrong. IJS