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MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »You seem to have missed my post. A squad requiring an herc'ed veno to tank is wasting time and being inefficient. An herc tanking requires the rest of the squad to significantly gimp their damage output... You're wasting time (your most valuable resource) to save the Barb what? 50k in repairs?
depends on what boss... boss with ? receive pvp damage from players... while still receive full damage from pets. couple that with herc's reflect... so unless the given player can deal 4x+reflect damage of the herc... the player will not take aggro. And if we're talking about players who is at the level of dealing 4x the (normal) damage of a herc... herc isn't necessarly needed. but any veno who is at that level... will already have a herc... so the problem isn't valid.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »depends on what boss... boss with ? receive pvp damage from players... while still receive full damage from pets. couple that with herc's reflect... so unless the given player can deal 4x+reflect damage of the herc... the player will not take aggro. And if we're talking about players who is at the level of dealing 4x the (normal) damage of a herc... herc isn't necessarly needed. but any veno who is at that level... will already have a herc... so the problem isn't valid.
For a (?) boss a Wanderer or a Scorp would outperform Herc while a Veno amping will add the equivalent of another DD to the group. That's a far better scenario and FYI i've seen 1xx venos without an herc...
Edit; And seriously, you think an herc will outdamage a full squad? LOL0 -
MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »For a (?) boss a Wanderer or a Scorp would outperform Herc while a Veno amping will add the equivalent of another DD to the group. That's a far better scenario and FYI i've seen 1xx venos without an herc...
either 1 of those pets does not have the mag or phy buff of the herc... or reflect. and reflect is one of the main reason a herc keeps aggro. and just cause you seen a 100 veno without a herc doesn't mean its a good idea... and shes probably getting rejected by random squads just as much as you for not having a herc.
i seen lvl 100 archers with full robe. while he may take more hits from magic then i can... doesn't mean i should be going full robe. for every veno you point out to me without a herc... i can point out 100 venos with a herc. and chances are my herc venos will also have better weapon and armor then your herc-less veno(s).MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »Edit; And seriously, you think an herc will outdamage a full squad? LOL
EDIT: this has me convinced that you have no idea what you are talking about. why would a herc need to out damage a whole squad to hold aggro. do you think barbs's aggro skill out aggros an entire squad's combine aggro. aggro is determined individualy... as long herc out damage any individual in the squad... he'll hold aggro from the WHOLE squad.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »depends on what boss... boss with ? receive pvp damage from players... while still receive full damage from pets. couple that with herc's reflect... so unless the given player can deal 4x+reflect damage of the herc... the player will not take aggro. And if we're talking about players who is at the level of dealing 4x the (normal) damage of a herc... herc isn't necessarly needed. but any veno who is at that level... will already have a herc... so the problem isn't valid.
With the facebook blessings obviously the hercs damage bonus on ? bosses is not worth mentioning. Else they would be able to hold aggro, wouldnt they?
Also, the reflect only works if they actually tank, which they dont. The argument used to be a hercs damage + damage from reflect would be superior to other pets. This is not longer the case, since, I say it again, hercs do not tank anymore.
A herc tags along and hits the boss, thats all. And there are venos around which are high level and have no herc, simply because they choose to do so.
90% of all venos share the same build and have the same bloody pet. If thats what you like, go ahead. Still, aggro is mine and I can tank. lol0 -
Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »either 1 of those pets does not have the mag or phy buff of the herc... or reflect. and reflect is one of the main reason a herc keeps aggro. and just cause you seen a 100 veno without a herc doesn't mean its a good idea... and shes probably getting rejected by random squads just as much as you for not having a herc.
i seen lvl 100 archers with full robe. while he may take more hits from magic then i can... doesn't mean i should be going full robe. for every veno you point out to me without a herc... i can point out 100 venos with a herc. and chances are my herc venos will also have better weapon and armor then your herc-less veno(s).
EDIT: this has me convinced that you have no idea what you are talking about. why would a herc need to out damage a whole squad to hold aggro. do you think barbs's aggro skill out aggros an entire squad's combine aggro. aggro is determined individualy... as long herc out damage any individual in the squad... he'll hold aggro from the WHOLE squad.
You are the one who knows nothing about venos you freaking noob. Your scenario is based on the herc tanking, mine is not.
Herc tanking= 5 squad members holding back to 30%-40% of their potential dps output, veno stuck on the role of pet cleric. Yes, you have Reflect and Bash damage...
5.0 aps tanking= 5 squad members going full out on their dps output, veno amping= 1 extra DD plus her own dps. High dps pet doing better damage than herc and can spam more damage skills as well. Tank has got psy and veno reflect plus he can demon spark, etc.
You would have to be a couple of IQ points short of stupid to believe the squad with an herc tanking will be faster than the one with a 5.0 doing the job. And my freaking point is about time... Time saved means you may do the same instance run three times instead of two on the same amount of time. It means a full squad grinding will get more coin on the time saved than whatever Barb repairs may be. Freaking get it yet?
Edit; In all fairness i'll correct myself, with the 5.0 tanking is 4 squad members going full out since the Cleric is now otherwise occupied. My point stands regardless.0 -
Why has this thread now become purely about venomancers and hercules pets? b:surrenderMadness?
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »Face it... random squads don't know anything about you or your skill. The only thing they can go off is the gear... and from this aspect good gear speaks wonders. Just because you got passed up for a position (for squad or guild or whatever) you can call the decision maker prejudice? What are they suppose to do? Give the position to the least qualified guy?
You, because you showed up first (and because I have bias against clawchers and other 5aps chars, except possibly BMs... but I'd still go with you).Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »EDIT: Say that you are a squad leader for whatever and you wc for a dd. I showed up with my +10cv.. and some ****ing archer show up with a +12 nirv recast lunar claw who can tank all the bosses. You don't know jack **** about any one of us.... which 1 would you pick to fill that last spot?
When I start a squad, I'm not cherry-picking from a bunch of lifeless figurines based on their stats - I'm looking for a group of people to play with, as long as they together can competently complete the run. Or to throw out an analogy... you can't go to Wendy's and cut in line because you claim you're prettier than everyone else in the line.
Now... when I set up a BH squad, and it already has with four DDs and a tank, am I going to allow, say, an archer into the squad instead of a cleric? No, because that last spot has to be for a cleric, because that's the only way the squad will survive the run.
But suppose I'm setting up for, say, an FF run. We need a cleric, so I ask for a cleric. A well-geared archer (let's call him Archer A) ignores my warning and sends me a squad join request without stating his class. Usually in this situation I give the person the benefit of the doubt and assume they're not an idiot, so I let them in. But in this case, the squad is now full with no cleric.
To me... and to most reasonable people... logic dictates that the newcomer be kicked from squad to allow for a cleric, no matter what his class, level, or gear. But lo and behold, he notices the other archer in our squad (let's assume there is one, and call him Archer
and claims Archer B should be the one to go because he - Archer A - has superior stats and gear to Archer B. Nevermind that Archer B was there first. Nevermind that Archer B is a real person behind the screen and has just as much right to be running FF as Archer A. Nevermind all that. Archer A assumes he should have the spot just because of his gear. And the sad thing is, some squads would probably agree with him. That's where bias/prejudice comes into play.
As for skills... no, obviously if you're starting a random squad, you're taking a gamble on skills. The reason I brought up skill was because some people seem to believe that good gear = good skill. Not true at all - there's no causation there.
Finally, on guilds... I can understand why the "top" guilds would be choosy, but that's why I'd never consider them even if they offered me an engraved invitation. A faction should need its members, not the other way around.
And you don't think that's sad? All it amounts to is the strong getting stronger and the weak staying weaker. I don't know where this mentality comes from where you have to get the instance finished as quickly as possible no matter what (I can understand with the 4hr timer, but other than that no).Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »You are fine since you don't really care if you get passed up for stuff for your lack of gear... but aleast you aren't crying about it. I have said this before... for the run of the mill veno NO herc/nix is needed. But if the veno want to stay competitive they need to have a herc/nix. Some squads will pass up a herc-less veno cause some boss can be herc tanked... which frees up the barb/cleric to dd... which results in faster run. The arguement that other pets can tank bosses isn't valid... since we already established with herc's def and hp... its the BEST ideal tanking pet. Most people would want an ideal squad (ex. 5aps for nirv)... and if you don't fit the ideal mold prepare to get overlooked.
To me it all suggests that these "uber-runners" are just getting bored with the game and are striving for greater and greater statistical rigor until they burn out and quit.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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KategoryC - Lost City wrote: »With the facebook blessings obviously the hercs damage bonus on ? bosses is not worth mentioning. Else they would be able to hold aggro, wouldnt they?
Also, the reflect only works if they actually tank, which they dont. The argument used to be a hercs damage + damage from reflect would be superior to other pets. This is not longer the case, since, I say it again, hercs do not tank anymore.
A herc tags along and hits the boss, thats all. And there are venos around which are high level and have no herc, simply because they choose to do so.
90% of all venos share the same build and have the same bloody pet. If thats what you like, go ahead. Still, aggro is mine and I can tank. lol
herc's damage bonus on ? bosses is still alot. herc deals 100% damage on boss. while i deal 32.5% of my normal damage (25%*1.3=32.5%).
herc cost money... money that a well geared veno will be able to afford. if i am blindly picking a veno out of a bag... i would like the veno to have a herc. even if the herc doesn't bring along anything extra... aleast it shows the veno has enough funds to buy a herc... a good indication of the veno would have enough funds for above average gear.
and btw... if the herc is not tanking... a veno won't be either. 95% of the dds out there would make a better tank then a veno... so don't give yourself too much credit.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »herc's damage bonus on ? bosses is still alot. herc deals 100% damage on boss. while i deal 32.5% of my normal damage (25%*1.3=32.5%).
herc cost money... money that a well geared veno will be able to afford. if i am blindly picking a veno out of a bag... i would like the veno to have a herc. even if the herc doesn't bring along anything extra... aleast it shows the veno has enough funds to buy a herc... a good indication of the veno would have enough funds for above average gear.
and btw... if the herc is not tanking... a veno won't be either. 95% of the dds out there would make a better tank then a veno... so don't give yourself too much credit.
Any pet deals 100% damage on bosses, and you still don't get it... You've been proven wrong, now tuck tail and run...0 -
MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »You are the one who knows nothing about venos you freaking noob. Your scenario is based on the herc tanking, mine is not.
Herc tanking= 5 squad members holding back to 30%-40% of their potential dps output, veno stuck on the role of pet cleric. Yes, you have Reflect and Bash damage...
5.0 aps tanking= 5 squad members going full out on their dps output, veno amping= 1 extra DD plus her own dps. High dps pet doing better damage than herc and can spam more damage skills as well. Tank has got psy and veno reflect plus he can demon spark, etc.
You would have to be a couple of IQ points short of stupid to believe the squad with an herc tanking will be faster than the one with a 5.0 doing the job. And my freaking point is about time... Time saved means you may do the same instance run three times instead of two on the same amount of time. It means a full squad grinding will get more coin on the time saved than whatever Barb repairs may be. Freaking get it yet?
Edit; In all fairness i'll correct myself, it's 4 squad members going full out since the Cleric is now otherwise occupied. My point stands regardless.
you really think you are going to find a full squad where each of the member will be able to out damage a herc pre 90 even with the blessing? and any veno who is hanging out with a squad full of 5aps will have a herc regardless.Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »You, because you showed up first (and because I have bias against clawchers and other 5aps chars, except possibly BMs... but I'd still go with you).
As for skills... no, obviously if you're starting a random squad, you're taking a gamble on skills. The reason I brought up skill was because some people seem to believe that good gear = good skill. Not true at all - there's no causation there.
And you don't think that's sad? All it amounts to is the strong getting stronger and the weak staying weaker. I don't know where this mentality comes from where you have to get the instance finished as quickly as possible no matter what (I can understand with the 4hr timer, but other than that no).
you said yourself have a bias against claw archers... so you would pick an bow archer. so why can't other people have a bias against herc-less venos... and pick a herc veno.
yea... for skills... its a gamble to pick random venos. but a veno with a herc could lack a bit in the skills area and still perferm just well as a herc-less veno. so when it comes to random squads... won't you want that extra protection... how ever small it may be.
its sad in its own way... but we all gotta deal with it. of course the strong is going to get stronger... and the weak will eventually die off. after all... isn't that what evolution and job interview is all about. everyone wants the strong... and the weak gets left behind?1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
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Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf0 -
OK... i am going to summarize my point about veno and herc here since i am getting side tracked.
1. If you are fine with being a run of the veno... then a herc isn't required.
2. If you want to be a competitive veno... then you are going need to get a herc/nix.
3. To a random squad... herc shows that you have 100 mil to spend. So it’s a good bet that you'll have another 100 mil to spend on gears.
4. Herc-less veno are perceived to be a poor veno... which in term gives the perception of being under geared.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »you really think you are going to find a full squad where each of the member will be able to out damage a herc pre 90 even with the blessing? and any veno who is hanging out with a squad full of 5aps will have a herc regardless.
Anyone who can't outdamage an herc their own level is fail, regardless of class. And most high levels (including some known 5.0 aps) are now advising venos against getting an herc as not being worth the investment. Just look at other threads posted here on general forums...0 -
Allisandre - Sanctuary wrote: »6. The squad got wiped at 'X' boss because the cleric wan't healing everyone. Clerics seems to get blamed a lot for people dying, especially at bosses. Never mind that the archer/assasin/blademaster was going all out in an effort to prove how OP they were and take aggro from the barb. What usually happens is that the cleric is focused on healing the barb, someone without enough HP to tank gets aggro, and pandemonium ensues. When you take aggro, it resets the values. Also, there's is some delay in seeing that a person is taking aggro and noticing their hp drop, selecting said individual, and then beginning the healing process. Typically, they die, and the aggro goes to the next individual dealing a lot of damage. Give the clerics a break and pay attention to how you are fighting and what you are aggroing. (Also keep in mine that hyper-leveled clerics often have sucky heal skills because they can't afford to level them)
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if the other class can tank and wants to go all out...the hell do you havea barb for?
if not 1 DD wipeing will not end squad and aggro>death actually resets the DD's aggro timer allowing for a faster kill
if the cleric dosent have a maxed heal the hell do you have it there? and another note...the clerics entire role in your squad is to heal if they are not doing this they really are a **** cleric get a new one.
not seeing how this situation would not be the clerics faultGifs are hard to make work here0 -
MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »Anyone who can't outdamage an herc their own level is fail, regardless of class. And most high levels (including some known 5.0 aps) are now advising venos against getting an herc as not being worth the investment. Just look at other threads posted here on general forums...
and yet.. the top 5 venos on the (my) serve all has a herc and a nix. i think 1 of them even have 2 hercs... and another 1 have 2 nixes. regardless of how useless people say a herc is... a herc veno will always stand out (against a herc-less veno). isn't that what all the none herc venos is complaining about... not being able to stand out against the herc venos... and being passed up for level/farming opportunities?1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
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Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf0 -
OOoohhh! Herc venos stand out, they're perceived as better!
We complain about dumb prejudice, not about missing chances to be on fail squads... Herc (we are not discussing nixes mind you) is the best pet available for two specialized jobs, tanking and AoE grinding/crowd control. Of course many top venos have the best tool available for some jobs, but this doesn't mean that it's required for venos in PvE scenarios where an herc is far from the ideal tool. And it is precisely in those scenarios that noobs resort to asking for an herc...
It's like me asking for people squadding for a PvE instance run to have decent PvP genies...0 -
Preception can lead to assumption, which can lead to misconceptions.Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »4. Herc-less veno are perceived to be a poor veno... which in term gives the perception of being under geared.
Misconception #1: Hercless veno = Poor veno
Misconception #2: Poor Veno = Under-geared veno
...and if we extrapolate from there...
Misconception #3: Under-geared veno = Veno without skill and/or common sense.
All you've managed to prove is that people can make very stupid assumtions. All three of these assumptions should be left out of consideration for any squad that doesn't specifically need a herc.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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NightRage - Raging Tide wrote: »Common Misconception:
This game isn't dead and it's worth playing.
And you're here for the funeral? b:question
Damn... I need to go buy some flowers b:flowerMadness?
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MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »OOoohhh! Herc venos stand out, they're perceived as better!
We complain about dumb prejudice, not about missing chances to be on fail squads... Herc (we are not discussing nixes mind you) is the best pet available for two specialized jobs, tanking and AoE grinding/crowd control. Of course many top venos have the best tool available for some jobs, but this doesn't mean that it's required for venos in PvE scenarios where an herc is far from the ideal tool. And it is precisely in those scenarios that noobs resort to asking for an herc...
It's like me asking for people squadding for a PvE instance run to have decent PvP genies...Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »Preception can lead to assumption, which can lead to misconceptions.
Misconception #1: Hercless veno = Poor veno
Misconception #2: Poor Veno = Under-geared veno
...and if we extrapolate from there...
Misconception #3: Under-geared veno = Veno without skill and/or common sense.
All you've managed to prove is that people can make very stupid assumtions. All three of these assumptions should be left out of consideration for any squad that doesn't specifically need a herc.
When someone is starting a squad off wc... they are not going to sit down an interview every veno who answered. They are going to pick the best one off the bat. Its the same thing in real life. When you submit your resume for a job, they are not going to call you back unless you have something to show first. And a herc is just that for venos.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
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Good players have good gear.
Also people who cash shop alot who arent necessarily good have good gear.
The only people left with bad gear are bad players.
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ZAPATON - Sanctuary wrote: »Why has this thread now become purely about venomancers and hercules pets? b:surrender
Seems like this happens to any thread that is posted by a veno, or have either venomancer or herc emntioned in it.
Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »hint
if the other class can tank and wants to go all out...the hell do you havea barb for?
if not 1 DD wipeing will not end squad and aggro>death actually resets the DD's aggro timer allowing for a faster kill
if the cleric dosent have a maxed heal the hell do you have it there? and another note...the clerics entire role in your squad is to heal if they are not doing this they really are a **** cleric get a new one.
not seeing how this situation would not be the clerics fault
The problem is mostly that a person without enough Def or HP is taking aggro, dies, then blames the cleric. OR because of their actions taking aggro and dying, the rest of the squad ends up wiped as well and the cleric is blamed.
Regardless of the level of a clerics skills, there are other factors you have to think about. Human Reaction Time, Server Lag in sending the data to the Clerics Screen. And The same delay going back while the cleric is selecting the other player. Now add casting and chanelling time to the mix. It's too late, the poor fist BM with 5k hp is dead already.
I always feel sorry for the clerics when this happens.
Now enough of the Herc debate, Does anyone have any new Misconceptions to add?Take the time to look for your answer before you post like an idiot.
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Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »hint
if the other class can tank and wants to go all out...the hell do you havea barb for?
if not 1 DD wipeing will not end squad and aggro>death actually resets the DD's aggro timer allowing for a faster kill
if the cleric dosent have a maxed heal the hell do you have it there? and another note...the clerics entire role in your squad is to heal if they are not doing this they really are a **** cleric get a new one.
not seeing how this situation would not be the clerics fault
One caveat: If the DD can survive long enough for the cleric to swap heal targets and begin IB stacking the DD before the heal stacks kick in, then it is most likely the cleric's fault. If the aggro stealer can't, then it's the DD's fault for taking on more than they are capable of. And if the barb keeps stupidly trying to swipe aggro back like it's some kind of aggro game (look at me, I can Flesh Ream and get aggro back for 2 secs), it's the barb's fault.Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura
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Yes, but a resume generally outlines skill sets and proficiencies that are relevant to the job. None of that is present in the squad leader's initial "read" of a joining veno. This is where your analogy breaks down.Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »When someone is starting a squad off wc... they are not going to sit down an interview every veno who answered. They are going to pick the best one off the bat. Its the same thing in real life. When you submit your resume for a job, they are not going to call you back unless you have something to show first. And a herc is just that for venos.
Treatment of venos in high-level squads is, quite frankly, just like an interview. Only, it's a really corrupted style of interview, in which the only question is "you got a herc?"
It's like asking a job candidate how much he paid for his interview suit, and dropping his application immediately if it cost less than $1,000.
EDIT: Sorry, OP. I'll try to wrap this up ASAP. ._.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »When someone is starting a squad off wc... they are not going to sit down an interview every veno who answered. They are going to pick the best one off the bat. Its the same thing in real life. When you submit your resume for a job, they are not going to call you back unless you have something to show first. And a herc is just that for venos.
That's precisely the misconception. I've often met herc'ed venos that will not amp, lure or even DD efficiently... Basically they're nothing but pet clerics. Are all herc'ed venos like that? Certainly not, and i would agree the overwhelming majority of top tier venos do have an herc, which doesn't mean herc makes you any good.
If you're starting a squad off wc and you request an herc'ed veno for a job where an herc isn't really required, you're simply publicly acknowledging to many of us that either you're a noob or an abusive jerk that will have the veno do all the work. And you're badly mistaken if you think you can compare this to real life, an herc is not the equivalent of a college degree but rather it's a bit like saying you own a car. Granted a car will allow you many choices and to be more independent and efficient with your time. But at the end of the day it shouldn't really matter to an employer, unless you're looking to break into the exciting world of Pizza delivery...0 -
I wanna comment on #1...while I prefer a arcane tank in fb59 even my low 7x bm can tank that whole instance with a 7x cleric.
as far as bh. I've been in some awesome random bh squad. my barb and bm are both 7x and I have been in all 7x squads that run a full unwined 59 in between an hour and hour and a half. also been in fail squads that obviously leveled too fast and it takes 2 hrs to do 3 bosses. (even with the 5 minute drake wing)
while as one person said bh teaches you to work in a squad (at least it should) too any people seem to just tag along for the ride, dont know what skills they have or how to use them. and obviously when u get too many of those in a squad its bad news.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Allisandre - Sanctuary wrote: »The problem is mostly that a person without enough Def or HP is taking aggro, dies, then blames the cleric. OR because of their actions taking aggro and dying, the rest of the squad ends up wiped as well and the cleric is blamed.
Regardless of the level of a clerics skills, there are other factors you have to think about. Human Reaction Time, Server Lag in sending the data to the Clerics Screen. And The same delay going back while the cleric is selecting the other player. Now add casting and chanelling time to the mix. It's too late, the poor fist BM with 5k hp is dead already.
I always feel sorry for the clerics when this happens.
Now enough of the Herc debate, Does anyone have any new Misconceptions to add?
I think you missed the part where about 90% of all endgame bosses comes with random agro <.<
Everyone single one in a party running a 3-X, Nirvana, Lunar and even Frost will get aggro and take 1-3 hits from certain bosses. Than you will prefer having a cleric that actually knows how to multi task - as in not only healing 1 person while watching TV lol. Many bosses also chain seals tanks which makes holding a constant agro pretty much impossible. A good cleric will watch everyones hp-bar, not just the tanks.
Not saying blame the cleric, people should know how to keep themselves alive for a few hits without heals and purify. But clerics that dont know how to switch target or goes afk with a heal macro are terrible players and should be blamed when party wipes.
However i rarely see people blaming just clerics when things goes wrong. Players are mostly grateful they get free ress without having to loose exp. I think "everyone blames the cleric" is a common misconception.0 -
At 90+ the majority of good venos will have a herc.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »At 90+ the majority of good venos will have a herc.
You're so smart, i think that settles it...0 -
Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »At 90+ the majority of good venos will have a herc.
At 90+ most good BMs will have int gears.
At 90+ most good players will have TT90.
At 90+ most good players will have nicely refined gear.
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pwcalc.com/e7016929e7b204ae "Pure axe" 8k HP multipath BM, last one of my kind.0 -
It's not a matter of money, personally i'm saving for a nix which is just as expensive. Some of us simply CHOOSE not to have an herc...0
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