SINS Shoulf be more pvp effective against HA Classes
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ElveZero - Harshlands wrote: »How do 90+ players on PvE servers not have PvP exp? Have you done a poll on this? any research? or is this just your bullsht opinion OH and making another assumption. you fail so bad dude.
And no is archer is 70+ but see how poizen said he *thinks*, stop sticking to what people say/ get over exageratted then dramatic to try and make a fkin post you immature noob.
As you stated... or whoever it was... obviously people on a pve server wait until 90/80/70+ to start pking... so yeah, if they haven't up until then, then they have no experience... novel concept eh?
Also, he has been Assassin longer than you, You were like a day late, e was day before, so he's been playing longer than you. In my eyes that makes him better, Even though he is anyway.
Oh no, a day.... I made my sin on the first day... does that make me more experienced then Lusca?
As all you seem to do is give out bs opinion on someone you obviously jealous/hate that its self means you won't give in because your ingnorant, so just get over it dude. He's been playing longer, and before and has another char.
The other char doesn't matter =P The fact is that he thinks that he knows the best way to play the class and will not accept any other views...
you have no background story your just a random assassin, and probably oracled to, so have fun trolling on the forums, noob
Why bring in oracles O.o are you just asking for more flames from people?
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ElveZero - Harshlands wrote: »How do 90+ players on PvE servers not have PvP exp? Have you done a poll on this? any research? or is this just your bullsht opinion OH and making another assumption. you fail so bad dude.
And no is archer is 70+ but see how poizen said he *thinks*, stop sticking to what people say/ get over exageratted then dramatic to try and make a fkin post you immature noob.
Also, he has been Assassin longer than you, You were like a day late, e was day before, so he's been playing longer than you. In my eyes that makes him better, Even though he is anyway.
As all you seem to do is give out bs opinion on someone you obviously jealous/hate that its self means you won't give in because your ingnorant, so just get over it dude. He's been playing longer, and before and has another char.
you have no background story your just a random assassin, and probably oracled to, so have fun trolling on the forums, noob
yay here's a shock, sanctuary is a pve server
now look at what server i'm on, a lot of people just level to 90 and then worry about pvp
lmfao wow morty is better than me since he has been a sin longer than me?
i made my sin about 6-7 hours after the expansion came out anyway
yeaps i don't have any other characters i just made an assassin and suddenly had all this knowledge about perfect world, man you so smart
and yeah i'm SO jealous of morty =[
and yeah i'm such an oracler, i was going to oracle to 100 but i spent most of my oracle money ordering mcdonalds online =[0 -
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I'm sorry Q_Q I'll try to stay on topic ^_^
On topic: I think once the rest of the sin skills are revealed and the current skills are updated/nurfed things will balance out more. So atm i don't really worry about the sin's ability to fight HA
[edit] spoons, you're scaring me.... is it you that keeps deleting posts that i just read? b:shocked0 -
Kimbley - Harshlands wrote: »I'm sorry Q_Q I'll try to stay on topic ^_^
On topic: I think once the rest of the sin skills are revealed and the current skills are updated/nurfed things will balance out more. So atm i don't really worry about the sin's ability to fight HA
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Ballistixz - Heavens Tear wrote: »2: ud still be out of range.
And our feet are not nailed to the ground. The time it takes for a Sin to hit a BM from "out of range" the BM would be in range and hit back.
You don't need to "lock" them. If one stun lands then you are "not keeping you distance", which is pointless to even argue anyways because you keeping your distance is just 2 melees running around. You'll take more dmg from getting hit by our range attack than bleeding. And BTW I use Unicorn bow, so have fun keep your distance. b:byeBallistixz - Heavens Tear wrote: »3: u cant stun lock a sin like u can other classes. tidal protection wont let it happen lol.Lusca - Sanctuary wrote: »on pve servers, most 9x havn't had any real pvp experience
on pvp servers everyone gets some idea of how to pvp from level 30 to 90
I started PKing on DW since 5X. There were a lot of pkers back then too from the faction BloodPact. But not so much anymore.
And are you forgetting something called TW?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Divine_Death - Dreamweaver wrote: »And our feet are not nailed to the ground. The time it takes for a Sin to hit a BM from "out of range" the BM would be in range and hit back.
You don't need to "lock" them. If one stun lands then you are "not keeping you distance", which is pointless to even argue anyways because you keeping your distance is just 2 melees running around. You'll take more dmg from getting hit by our range attack than bleeding. And BTW I use Unicorn bow, so have fun keep your distance. b:bye
I started PKing on DW since 5X. There were a lot of pkers back then too from the faction BloodPact. But not so much anymore.
And are you forgetting something called TW?
ud be hit with nearly 7 meters away from tackling slash which last 11.5 seconds at max. ud only have to step a few steps back in which case ud be out of range again and forced to use only ur ranged skills (or switch to ur bow which wont be nearly as effective as using ur own blade skills. especially when ur melee atks are slowed by 50%).
ur forgetting BMs are not the only ones with stun skills here. we also have a stun skill which can also be casted from nearly 7m away. or tele stun which can be casted 35 mets away by instantly teleporting to u. we also have a sleep skill if needed.
btw, i am NOT promoting the range thing at all and ive even said it will more then likely backfire. all im saying is that it can work as a very slight advantage in the sins favor and is only a theory on how to make it work in a sins favor. but in no way whatsoever am i saying its a surefire tactic against barbs/BMs. and like i said before its very unpractical becase that weapon is for lvl 99 sins and there wont be any lvl 99 sins any time soon lol.
was just making a observation since we do have alot of skills that go outside of a normal melee range.0 -
Ballistixz - Heavens Tear wrote: »ud be hit with nearly 7 meters away from tackling slash which last 11.5 seconds at max. ud only have to step a few steps back in which case ud be out of range again and forced to use only ur ranged skills (or switch to ur bow which wont be nearly as effective as using ur own blade skills. especially when ur melee atks are slowed by 50%).
ur forgetting BMs are not the only ones with stun skills here. we also have a stun skill which can also be casted from nearly 7m away. or tele stun which can be casted 35 mets away by instantly teleporting to u. we also have a sleep skill if needed.
btw, i am NOT promoting the range thing at all and ive even said it will more then likely backfire. all im saying is that it can work as a very slight advantage in the sins favor and is only a theory on how to make it work in a sins favor. but in no way whatsoever am i saying its a surefire tactic against barbs/BMs. and like i said before its very unpractical becase that weapon is for lvl 99 sins and there wont be any lvl 99 sins any time soon lol.
was just making a observation since we do have alot of skills that go outside of a normal melee range.
ok for ranged bm skills
drakes ray, sprit chaser , farstrike, smack, myriad...sword...stance
for sins...knife throw
*facedesks*
yes you can tele wich puts you right in our rangeb:chuckle
also quick note on a MSS or farstrike crit or zerk its autodeath for the sinGifs are hard to make work here0 -
and deal enough dmg while we stun/sleep u and if we get lucky we might even kill u tho with a bm its unlikely that it will work.yes you can tele wich puts you right in our range
and bout all ur ranged skills. now i'm really usure but i bet that this ranged skills are mostly in the spear tree. sword and axe and fist have at max 2-3 ranged skills if not less, right?(as already said not sure). and i dunno how much sp bms get lol but i'm sure u won't be able to get 2 trees and leffectivly use them(well k u can but i've never seen ppl who do that, tho i might be mistaken again). tho we are not suited for HAs we are able to kill them....just takes some effort0 -
This is exactly right, in most, if not all, games ive played, assassin's in PVP take the role of caster killers. There is no such thing as a class that can beat every other class easily (That's called imbalanced). Yes assassins may beat a HA class just like a Wizard can kill a Cleric but that depends on the skill of the player and his gear. So stop thinking that assassins can kill everyone and that they were meant just for PVP. We are the ones taht sneak around and takeout casters in a few hits and go back to hiding, and if you dont like it, reroll a Wizard so you can kill a BM or Barb easily and then QQ cuz an assassin nearly 1 hit you. Every class has his/her own role in PVP and PVE, so pick a role you would like and not a class that looks cool, like clerics with level 10 plume shot and level 1 ironheart blessing >.>Morty - Raging Tide wrote: »Assassins have always been a robe killer, and always play especially well in PvP. However, against Heavy Armor, its always been there disadvantage.
The thing is when fighting against one, you have to rely on speed, such as keep nthem stunned, and bleeding, and keeping distance because standing head to head with blademaster is gonna be a good fight, but you will lose.
Standing head to head against a barb, well they will just laugh at you.
Like I said, keep your distance and keep them bleeding, all in all they will always be are challenge, if yo dont like it reroll wizard/psychic, then complain about how sins pwn you.
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BIackTyphoon - Heavens Tear wrote: »and bout all ur ranged skills. now i'm really usure but i bet that this ranged skills are mostly in the spear tree. sword and axe and fist have at max 2-3 ranged skills if not less, right?(as already said not sure). and i dunno how much sp bms get lol but i'm sure u won't be able to get 2 trees and leffectivly use them(well k u can but i've never seen ppl who do that, tho i might be mistaken again). tho we are not suited for HAs we are able to kill them....just takes some effort
Mistaken that you are. Once RB starts, SP won't be an issue. Money on the other hand...
Not able to effectively using 2 trees? b:laugh You don't know much about BM's then.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Divine_Death - Dreamweaver wrote: »I started PKing on DW since 5X. There were a lot of pkers back then too from the faction BloodPact. But not so much anymore.
And are you forgetting something called TW?
ok on newer servers you can get pvp experience by joining a tw faction while as a low level but on server like sanctuary your not going to be involved in a TW when your 60 or 70 lol
and TW only happens once a week, yes you might get more than one TW per week if your faction owns land but PvP servers have TW too and they are also all forced into pk when they hit 30
IF you really try you can get some pvp experience in the low and mid levels, but most people prefer to be of a level were they can do more than just die in pvp before they get involved in it on pve servers0 -
I don't get it. Why is there complaining about trying to kill HA characters when there has to be a circle of life in a class system? Squishy one explodes tank, squishy two makes tank worthless, kind of squishy makes tank look like a pincushion. Tank flattens squishy one, tank eats squishy two, tank tries to get close to squishy three but is still alive as they are being turned into a pincushion from afar so they sit and mope.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I think against heavy armor should be only be in field pvp..1x1..in mass pvp and TW you should go agaist LA and Arcane Armor, more realiable to us assasins. but i dunno.Played 2 years and a half with Clerics
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Wow a sin that doesn't even know what his skills do at max level, lol. Stop posting please.Ballistixz - Heavens Tear wrote: »ud be hit with nearly 7 meters away from tackling slash which last 11.5 seconds at maxWondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.0 -
Waw lotta post here.
Anywayz i didn't really ask advice on fighting Heavy Armor characters (no offense to those who post thier thoughts..it was appreciated). All in all i enjoyed the discussions they were all interesting but for all those who said that sins pwning arcane classes is enough i agree with you. Sins are imba as they are with there bottom less pit of chi.....
BUT SERIOUSLY for those who said that there must be balance and one class can't kill all what the hell u call an ARCHER!!!!!!0 -
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Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »ok for ranged bm skills
drakes ray, sprit chaser , farstrike, smack, myriad...sword...stance
for sins...knife throw
*facedesks*
yes you can tele wich puts you right in our rangeb:chuckle
also quick note on a MSS or farstrike crit or zerk its autodeath for the sin
knife throw? where the hell did that come from lol. did u forget what i was even talking about x.x.? knife throw doesnt come into the equation at all. also by autodeath u mean 1 hit? since u do know that we have a auto revive skill and all a 1hit would do is tick our charm right?
and again about the range thing i rly think ur misunderstanding. it has nothing to do with knife throw. its about a potential theory that puts a sin in an advantage when he gets the lvl 99 daggers. ill just restate what i said before for some ppl to understand. some of our skills have a 4.5 range on them which is a melee range further then most melee ranges on other chars. the lvl 99 daggers increases that range by 2 making it 6.5 meters. what im saying is that this MIGHT put sins in a slight advantage by atking outside the melee range of other melee chars which would limit them to using only there ranged skills. this will become our melee range which is further then most.
as an example if u played a game called flyff theres a class called jester on there. they have a extend melee range from the rest of the melee chars. which makes it a middle range fighter. its not short ranged nor is it long ranged but its still considered melee. with a immobilization skill the jester can atk a melee char ourside of there range and never get hit because they are in there own melee range. the other class is forced to use there ranged skills in order to atk. once a sin gets there lvl 99 daggers it would be similar. they would be a middle range fighter kinda like pole axe BMs but with slightly more range.Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »Wow a sin that doesn't even know what his skills do at max level, lol. Stop posting please.
before u randomly get into a discussion i suggest u read the posts before it before randomly assuming **** like that thx b:bye if u would have paid attention ud see that the range comes from the lvl 99 daggers...0 -
Ballistixz - Heavens Tear wrote: »before u randomly get into a discussion i suggest u read the posts before it before randomly assuming **** like that thx b:bye if u would have paid attention ud see that the range comes from the lvl 99 daggers...
he meant about tackling slash
it's 9 seconds at max not 11.50 -
o ok 9 seconds then. my point i was trying to make on the lvl 99 daggers still remains the same tho rather its 9 secs or w/e lol. and as far as i know thats the only mistake i made on a sin skill so far.0
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Mistaken that you are. Once RB starts, SP won't be an issue. Money on the other hand...
Not able to effectively using 2 trees? You don't know much about BM's then.
nope i don't b:laugh, i played only one tree and not long enough to learn bout bms. jstu thought that even if u could it would take a long time and normally thats what ppl don't want....well guess i'm mistaken....darn it^^0 -
Assassins are here to balance out Archers b:chuckleWiz_Oz - Lost City wrote: »BUT SERIOUSLY for those who said that there must be balance and one class can't kill all what the hell u call an ARCHER!!!!!!0 -
AmrothSokaro - Harshlands wrote: »Assassins are here to balance out Archers b:chuckle
i think he dont really played with archer after 90. try kill a barb with archer with self buff in 1vs1 (not in duel) and we talk again how easy or check how u can get 1 hit from cleric/wizz.
[archer not fail but not op too, same like sins]0 -
lol morons don't know +10 to armor archers can still get 1shot by a 9x mage with like +5 wep
real fun when endgame full mag mages get like 18% crit and 1shot you with a stone rain
but you would think all these 9x-10x's know what they're talking about when they say that archer isn't the best endgame class for solo pvpElena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
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Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »lol morons don't know +10 to armor archers can still get 1shot by a 9x mage with like +5 wep
real fun when endgame full mag mages get like 18% crit and 1shot you with a stone rain
but you would think all these 9x-10x's know what they're talking about when they say that archer isn't the best endgame class for solo pvp
no of course not 3x-7x know much more about end game pvp than 9x and 10x >=[0 -
lol... you apparently have no idea about mages. If you get oneshot by a stone rain crit you must be like lv90 with +3 armor or just doing something awfully stupid. There's no way I could oneshot an archer with +10 gear unless I crit on an unbuffed archer while being buffed with Sage Dragon, ex poison/undine/frenzy with a +8 hh99 weapon. Or maybe a triple sparked crit with poison/undine/frenzy on one of my stronger skills. With an 11% critrate, so not very likely, if the archer is even stupid enough to let me hit him with that. It's hard for a mage to get over 15% crit if not Light Armor (= bad and weaker) or Demon with all skills, and then their Sage Dragon won't crit as much... lol. I could keep going but I won't bother.Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »lol morons don't know +10 to armor archers can still get 1shot by a 9x mage with like +5 wep
real fun when endgame full mag mages get like 18% crit and 1shot you with a stone rainWondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.0 -
i know 10x arcanes with 18% crit. either way, say 15% crit is possible.
that post might've been misleading. i didnt say a mage would 1shot a +10 archer w/ a stone rain crit, i just said he'd get 1shot - this is possible.
the next line was just in general. an average 9x, say tt90 +5 archer, could get 1shot by a stone rain crit.
but if you really want to go into this, lets say BIDS on an unbuffed +10 archer:
suppose you have a sinrabanso +5, 2 sapphire gems, a crit on BIDS would give something like 57k just about correct?
say his gear gives 50% mdef reduction unbuffed, which is very credible if the archer is stacking lionheart orns for -interval, undine strike would put his reduction from gear down to 30% right? add in extreme poison, you can score over 11k
that's 1 shot.
it doesn't matter if most archers wouldn't let you undine sutra bid on them, it's still possible right?Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
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Ballistixz - Heavens Tear wrote: »knife throw? where the hell did that come from lol. did u forget what i was even talking about x.x.? knife throw doesnt come into the equation at all. also by autodeath u mean 1 hit? since u do know that we have a auto revive skill and all a 1hit would do is tick our charm right?
and again about the range thing i rly think ur misunderstanding. it has nothing to do with knife throw. its about a potential theory that puts a sin in an advantage when he gets the lvl 99 daggers. ill just restate what i said before for some ppl to understand. some of our skills have a 4.5 range on them which is a melee range further then most melee ranges on other chars. the lvl 99 daggers increases that range by 2 making it 6.5 meters. what im saying is that this MIGHT put sins in a slight advantage by atking outside the melee range of other melee chars which would limit them to using only there ranged skills. this will become our melee range which is further then most.
as an example if u played a game called flyff theres a class called jester on there. they have a extend melee range from the rest of the melee chars. which makes it a middle range fighter. its not short ranged nor is it long ranged but its still considered melee. with a immobilization skill the jester can atk a melee char ourside of there range and never get hit because they are in there own melee range. the other class is forced to use there ranged skills in order to atk. once a sin gets there lvl 99 daggers it would be similar. they would be a middle range fighter kinda like pole axe BMs but with slightly more range.
before u randomly get into a discussion i suggest u read the posts before it before randomly assuming **** like that thx b:bye if u would have paid attention ud see that the range comes from the lvl 99 daggers...
the *freese and hit from out of range* trick is just hooribly ineffective
*bm equips polearm*
problem...solved
also MSS is ranged
on a barb yes it would work but your stil not getting through their hp or even a BMS and DEFINITLY not a HA/AA venos phys resist
i suppose you could use it as a survival trick while your stealths are in CD and charm has ticked?
cant really think of any other use for it aside from thatGifs are hard to make work here0 -
Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »i know 10x arcanes with 18% crit. either way, say 15% crit is possible.
that post might've been misleading. i didnt say a mage would 1shot a +10 archer w/ a stone rain crit, i just said he'd get 1shot - this is possible.
the next line was just in general. an average 9x, say tt90 +5 archer, could get 1shot by a stone rain crit.
but if you really want to go into this, lets say BIDS on an unbuffed +10 archer:
suppose you have a sinrabanso +5, 2 sapphire gems, a crit on BIDS would give something like 57k just about correct?
say his gear gives 50% mdef reduction unbuffed, which is very credible if the archer is stacking lionheart orns for -interval, undine strike would put his reduction from gear down to 30% right? add in extreme poison, you can score over 11k
that's 1 shot.
it doesn't matter if most archers wouldn't let you undine sutra bid on them, it's still possible right?
i crited on my unbuffed archer friend when i was 89 and he was 88 with BT. with 3rd spark+genie berserk(20 att lv)+genie amplify(+20%dmg)+udine(-60%mdef)+BT and was crit, 19.7k with tt80+2 and gr5 mattack shard. and he got same low refined eq than me.0 -
Maybe i can give some input on my lvl area ,so far having Bloodpaint and Deeep chill(can remember the name ) buffs are a must have, i always have them buffed on me ALWAYS...but to my point . i dueled a barb my same lvl53, the fight was long only becuse i ran outta mp and he stunned alot BUUUT 80% of the time his attacks missed me and i only found it nessasary to use secondwind once however my Rising dragon skill hit him with a 2k crit (7kcrit for mobs )and the fight was done, i must say tho he was real good at stunning me ......HA,LA or ARC it doesnt realy matter if you know what your doing0
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