Archer replaced by Assassin?

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Wow, just no. Assassins can't replace archers at all.

Mike_Hawke - Lost City

I think you're stupid! b:bye

Lusca - Sanctuary

XXSayaXx - Lost City wrote: »

LOL id love to see a sin kill me. hell ill die laughing. so what if sin same build as arcer o.O doesnt mean there the same. its like saying a heavy veno is better tank then barb. or wizard better healer then a cleric. arcane peeps have same build but they do different things. same with LA peeps and HA peeps.

and how exactly will a sin die laughing while fighting you?

we have 2 teleports and when on the ground we have 2 increase running skills and we have 2 stealth skills

and at max our immobilize is 9 seconds with a 15 second cool down and doesn't use chi
yours uses a whole spark and your stun is only 3 seconds 15 second cool down

all our skills can be used close up but archers only have the 2 physical wing attacks and then 3 metal attacks, and if any archer wastes 2 sparks on that dot metal attack then yeah i probably would die laughing xD

Legerity - Sanctuary

Lusca - Sanctuary wrote: »

and how exactly will a sin die laughing while fighting you?

we have 2 teleports and when on the ground we have 2 increase running skills and we have 2 stealth skills

and at max our immobilize is 9 seconds with a 15 second cool down and doesn't use chi
yours uses a whole spark and your stun is only 3 seconds 15 second cool down

all our skills can be used close up but archers only have the 2 physical wing attacks and then 3 metal attacks, and if any archer wastes 2 sparks on that dot metal attack then yeah i probably would die laughing xD

You're LA (and so are we...well majority of them); you take massive damage both by lightning and the winged melee skills. Also, demon wingspan is probably not going to be very pleasant for you, nor will a QS proc.

BlindApathy - Lost City

lol fail argument >.< hey guess what Archers can use fists too

Lusca - Sanctuary

Legerity - Sanctuary wrote: »

You're LA (and so are we...well majority of them); you take massive damage both by lightning and the winged melee skills. Also, demon wingspan is probably not going to be very pleasant for you, nor will a QS proc.

and like you said we are both la so you'll also being taking massive damage from our skills lol but we can use all our skills, you only have 5

and i not sure what you mean by QS but if it's quick shot then please explain how a faster attack speed will help if

a) the sin is right in front of you

and

b) your attack speed is slowed by 50%

and also sins don't have any sage demon skills yet, should be fun to see what they get =]

Legerity - Sanctuary

Lusca - Sanctuary wrote: »

and like you said we are both la so you'll also being taking massive damage from our skills lol but we can use all our skills, you only have 5

and i not sure what you mean by QS but if it's quick shot then please explain how a faster attack speed will help if

a) the sin is right in front of you

and

b) your attack speed is slowed by 50%

and also sins don't have any sage demon skills yet, should be fun to see what they get =]

I assume every sin will be in the archer's face right? Like 100% of the time we'll get jumped. Quite realistic I think! Let's just start every TW/1v1/wPvP with the archer standing there letting you bind/stun us and tele towards us. Cool.

Chobsi - Heavens Tear

Stupid Thread.
Archers have Sharpened Tooth Arrow, therefore they should always be picked first for a squad.
Wow, cool you can use bows. So can I. The thing is, Archers are more effective with them then both of us are.
Archers can stay back away from Phys AoEs on bosses, unlike Sins.
Archers have a buff, where it might not be as nice as some, its a buff wheres yours?

Lusca - Sanctuary

Legerity - Sanctuary wrote: »

I assume every sin will be in the archer's face right? Like 100% of the time we'll get jumped. Quite realistic I think! Let's just start every TW/1v1/wPvP with the archer standing there letting you bind/stun us and tele towards us. Cool.

you jump the sin he force stealth flys to you and tackling slashes you, and wow he is in your face

sin jumps you he has his normal stealth then tackling slash

you jump a sin with aim low, he force stealth waits for aim low to end


so please how will an archer attack a sin from afar in any 1-1? TW is diff cause of the number of people around, if your target stealths in TW you can't just fly away till he reappears but the sin will also have other targets to deal with

and yes i realize that the sin might not kill the archer in the 9 seconds of tackling slash but that's why you have 2 teleports for the 6 seconds that the archer isn't immobilized before you tackling slash them again

and while yes tackling slash can miss since both classes are high dex but the sin also has a sleep skill and a silence skill, and on the ground they have 2 running skills, and the 1 spark running skill makes them immune to stun and freeze

Legerity - Sanctuary

Lusca - Sanctuary wrote: »

you jump the sin he force stealth flys to you and tackling slashes you, and wow he is in your face

sin jumps you he has his normal stealth then tackling slash

you jump a sin with aim low, he force stealth waits for aim low to end


so please how will an archer attack a sin from afar in any 1-1? TW is diff cause of the number of people around, if your target stealths in TW you can't just fly away till he reappears but the sin will also have other targets to deal with

and yes i realize that the sin might not kill the archer in the 9 seconds of tackling slash but that's why you have 2 teleports for the 6 seconds that the archer isn't immobilized before you tackling slash them again

and while yes tackling slash can miss since both classes are high dex but the sin also has a sleep skill and a silence skill, and on the ground they have 2 running skills, and the 1 spark running skill makes them immune to stun and freeze

I'll quote myself:

Let's just start every TW/1v1/wPvP with the archer standing there letting you bind/stun us and tele towards us.

Like we'd just stand there while you force stealth. I don't know about you but any form of serious PvP ain't happening on the ground, what was this speed boost thing you're talking about?

The assassin class hasn't been developed enough to know how the future pans out for archer vs assassin (how does tele work in the air? genuine question), but having someone say it will a) replace archers is plain silly and b) that archers can't really do anything to assassins is also plain silly.

Lusca - Sanctuary

a) i never said sins will replace archers

b) i never said archers CAN'T beat sins, i'm just saying the assassin is designed to kill classes that kite

bms and barbs will be a lot harder for assassins to fight

lol and what are you going to do while we force stealth?

tele works the same in the air as it does on the ground, you push the button your char moves towards the target till it's in range then teles you

you just can't tele in dungeons


and yes most pvp is in the air but not all of it, and the second speed skills description says it is like the bm one and makes you immune to stun and freeze, which make it useful even without the speed boast

Kawakami - Dreamweaver

Based on what I've read the OP isn't very experienced. Don't jump to conclusions so quickly, /ignore thread.

Lusca - Sanctuary

Kawakami - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Based on what I've read the OP isn't very experienced. Don't jump to conclusions so quickly, /ignore thread.

people realized that 4 and a half pages ago lol

Ballistixz - Heavens Tear

Legerity - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'll quote myself:



Like we'd just stand there while you force stealth. I don't know about you but any form of serious PvP ain't happening on the ground, what was this speed boost thing you're talking about?

The assassin class hasn't been developed enough to know how the future pans out for archer vs assassin (how does tele work in the air? genuine question), but having someone say it will a) replace archers is plain silly and b) that archers can't really do anything to assassins is also plain silly.

the basic rule of this game i beleive is any class can beat anyclass with good enought skill. assassin vs archer is no diffrent. whoever is the better man wins. but when it does come down to archer vs assassin assassin DOES have a bit of an advantage over archers. and its not just archers either. its wizards and venos and psys. basically any class that relies heavily on skills or kiting an assassin has an advantage over.

and u are talking about fights up in the air right? well while u are up in the air and a sin is on the ground u wont rly be able to target him for long because of the forced stelth ability. and im not 100% sure but i THINK the teleport skill should still work when ur on a flying mount. from the vids ive seen pre expansion release on assassin skills they were able to use stealh while in the air so im sure they can use there other skills including the tele one aswell.

Lusca - Sanctuary

i just said the tele skill works in the air x.x

Ballistixz - Heavens Tear

o ok then XD

Kawakami - Dreamweaver

Legerity - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'll quote myself:



Like we'd just stand there while you force stealth. I don't know about you but any form of serious PvP ain't happening on the ground, what was this speed boost thing you're talking about?

The assassin class hasn't been developed enough to know how the future pans out for archer vs assassin (how does tele work in the air? genuine question), but having someone say it will a) replace archers is plain silly and b) that archers can't really do anything to assassins is also plain silly.

Lusca - Sanctuary wrote: »

people realized that 4 and a half pages ago lol

They didn't get the ignore part, since the discussion has been going on b:surrender

Calitae - Sanctuary

Hi.

Why on earth would the developers introduce a class which would replace a preexisting one? No class is better than another. It depends on the skill of the person behind the computer playing it. A lot of the time, it is relative to situations.
For example, a BM is a valuable squad member in TW, but not so desirable in TT.

I figure its naive to talk about Assassin vs Archer, whereby you forget to talk about what an archer could do to you. Read up on your opponents and their skills please, before boasting about your abilities. I like to see facts before I believe anything b:bye

Lusca - Sanctuary

Calitae - Sanctuary wrote: »

Hi.

Why on earth would the developers introduce a class which would replace a preexisting one? No class is better than another. It depends on the skill of the person behind the computer playing it. A lot of the time, it is relative to situations.
For example, a BM is a valuable squad member in TW, but not so desirable in TT.

I figure its naive to talk about Assassin vs Archer, whereby you forget to talk about what an archer could do to you. Read up on your opponents and their skills please, before boasting about your abilities. I like to see facts before I believe anything b:bye

you must be new to the whole free to play online game thing if you think the devs actually think about everything lol
take a look at venos

but no sins won't replace archers


and lol i have an archer i know what an archer can do and i know they have 5 skills they can use when there opponent is in there face

Calitae - Sanctuary

*Waves white flag* Sometimes my perfectionism blanks out certain aspects.

My comment was generally aimed at Chronos though. My bad for not quoting.

Morty - Raging Tide

Your all noobs. Archer and Assassin are the same. Fast and agile, just different weapons.

If Archer hits the assassin first, archer is most likley to win. If Assassin hits archer first, then there most likley to win.

/thread.

BIackTyphoon - Heavens Tear

I played an archer for a long time and got over lvl 100. play now assassin.
Trust me the bow is sure a graet help sometimes but the only way to kill a same lvl mog with only the bow as an assassin before it hits u is to max ur weapon +12 and have some good stats....otherwise assassin fail
so archer are better and won't be replaced no matter what....even if the assasin would be able to kill(and he sure has some suefull skills for that) an archer in a pvp match doesn't mean u will be able to kill calls or any fb bosses as fast as archers(used callas cause they sure pack a punch..) so stop the whole this clas will replace thing.....if taht were true everyone would play a tideborn and we wouldn't have any archers left....personally i think archer are better especially in pve...its jsut that i needed some chances...got tired...so well....

Lusca - Sanctuary

assasins won't replace archers but last i checked you don't take 1 dd for fbs lol

and while they won't replace bms in rebirths rb squads will soon have a choice between taking a bm or a sin

Heartstone - Dreamweaver

Mizore_P - Sanctuary wrote: »

Are you so stupid or what?Show me an assassin that can kill a same lvl mob as the assassin with a Bow WITHOUT GETTING HIT!

this is possible did it yesterday. just need a few crits. i used bow to kill mob down in hp before reach me to save some charm.. lol

_vincent - Dreamweaver

Archer's aren't replaced because

A) Archers have metal spells
Even though Assassins can use Bows, Archers have a long range from the skill.
C) Archers do more damage with Bows due to mastery and it's their primary weapon.
D) Archers can use [-Max HP skill] which helps alot in TT, maybe TW, and probably FBs.
E) Archers have Barrage, Assasins probably cant get into RB Gamma soo yea.
F)Archers have more of a chance killing any class due to their extended range.
G) Archers don't usually get caught in AoEs from BMs.

*Note: I'm not saying that Assassins don't have their perks either. Perks such as not having to spend money on charms for skills like Barrage and having an extremely fast weapon (although slower than fists I think).

Lusca - Sanctuary

_vincent - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Archer's aren't replaced because

A) Archers have metal spells
Even though Assassins can use Bows, Archers have a long range from the skill.
C) Archers do more damage with Bows due to mastery and it's their primary weapon.
D) Archers can use [-Max HP skill] which helps alot in TT, maybe TW, and probably FBs.
E) Archers have Barrage, Assasins probably cant get into RB Gamma soo yea.
F)Archers have more of a chance killing any class due to their extended range.
G) Archers don't usually get caught in AoEs from BMs.

*Note: I'm not saying that Assassins don't have their perks either. Perks such as not having to spend money on charms for skills like Barrage and having an extremely fast weapon (although slower than fists I think).

a) lol good for you, your point thou?

b) again, your point? assassins are meant to use daggers not bows

c) and yet again your point? assassins use daggers not bows

d) probably your only valid point lol

e) just cause an assassin isn't better for rb than an archer doesn't mean they can't get into rbs, there are 5 other spots, some squads might take a bm instead of a sin lol

f) and assassins have stealth, teles and on the ground 2 increase run skills

g) assassins have an immune to stun skill and there's another which is a chance to avoid negative effects they can use when getting too close to BMs, but from what i can tell assassins will not be bm killers, they will be there to hunt down squishes in TW

i'm not saying assassins will replace archers i'm just saying your argument needs some work

Siketh - Sanctuary

Just wanted to say this... the OP of this thread is a moron (and a noob). And the same goes for the ones that think alike.

Sins will never replace archers, BMs or whatever... Sins are sins. They will find their place on squads as a complementary DD. And that's all.

They are better because they can use bows and daggers... im still laughing at that... like sins could do **** with a bow except hitting a lousy 2 times with it. Ok, maybe 3... sorry. Still, leave that for archers plz. Like u can control range like them and use it as a defense *facepalm*

b:bye

_vincent - Dreamweaver

Lusca - Sanctuary wrote: »

a) lol good for you, your point thou? Archers can use metal spells to kill BMs + Barbs easier

b) again, your point? assassins are meant to use daggers not bows Others were arguing about how Assassins can use Bows too so that's where this came from.

c) and yet again your point? assassins use daggers not bows Same as above.

d) probably your only valid point lol Other reasons are valid for debates above.

e) just cause an assassin isn't better for rb than an archer doesn't mean they can't get into rbs, there are 5 other spots, some squads might take a bm instead of a sin lol We'll see about this when there are lvl 70+ Assassins that can play their class.

f) and assassins have stealth, teles and on the ground 2 increase run skills Archers stun assassins -> kill from there. Stealth shouldn't be much of a deal unless your on the new server. Plus, AoE hits them out of stealth. Only inexperienced squishies run off by themselves in TW.

g) assassins have an immune to stun skill and there's another which is a chance to avoid negative effects they can use when getting too close to BMs, but from what i can tell assassins will not be bm killers, they will be there to hunt down squishes in TW Stun isn't the only AoE, damage is not a negative effect, and Archers already hunt down squishies.

i'm not saying assassins will replace archers i'm just saying your argument needs some work

I referred to the bows because they were mentioned in the previous pages. Anyways, Assassins won't replace Archers though.

Lusca - Sanctuary

_vincent - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I referred to the bows because they were mentioned in the previous pages. Anyways, Assassins won't replace Archers though.

Archers can use metal spells to kill BMs + Barbs easier

good for them, there metal skills aren't that great and most archers will tell you they struggle to kill barbs even with there metal skills

Others were arguing about how Assassins can use Bows too so that's where this came from.

doesn't make archers better than sins cause some silly sins use bows

assassins use daggers not bows Same as above.

i still don't see a point here?

Other reasons are valid for debates above.

what debate? sins use daggers not bows

We'll see about this when there are lvl 70+ Assassins that can play their class.

so therefore you saying sins won't get into rb is just stupid aye?

Archers stun assassins -> kill from there. Stealth shouldn't be much of a deal unless your on the new server. Plus, AoE hits them out of stealth. Only inexperienced squishies run off by themselves in TW.

oh no BM aoe damage what ever will i do lol
and what has a new server got to do with stealth? once a sin is lvl 85 and maxes cat like trend only other sins will see them

Stun isn't the only AoE, damage is not a negative effect, and Archers already hunt down squishies.

yes BM are well known for there damage . . .


archers hunt squishies,but not like they kill every single squishy in the time it takes to tele to one lol

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear

Lusca and Vincent are both fools for trying to convince one another.

Go back to playing your fail classes, and let the pro Wizards show you how it's done.