Why are Venos without Hercs considered useless?

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  • Foxx - Heavens Tear
    Foxx - Heavens Tear Posts: 464 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Signako - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    She does tank Lunar with a plain armored bear, she tanks Single Mode with it, and she can handle a number of mobs in Squad mode

    You realize the very first trash mobs mobs in lunar glade in single mode hit about as hard as 1-1 chintien in squad mode?
    Tell you what. If she wants to send me a tell Im happy to go to lunar glade with her and see her (unmodified) bear tank one of those mobs. If she does it Ill give her a public apology on this forum. Until then its a load of bs and Im calling her out on it.
  • Foxx - Heavens Tear
    Foxx - Heavens Tear Posts: 464 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    /facepalm


    No matter how many of the rare pet skills you give an armored bear you will never have a herc because a herc with those same skills is still better.

    Im aware of this, I was just being a bit overly generous if she had modified her bear with herc buffs. I agree it still sucks in comparison.

    (As it is tho its an unmodified one supposedly, that does lunar glade... lol)
  • Foxx - Heavens Tear
    Foxx - Heavens Tear Posts: 464 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Belial - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I think Foxx's intention was to highlight that a considerable part of a veno's gear is her pet. Anyone who says 'I won't get a Herc because I'm concentrating on my gear' misses a bit of a point, because one could be a level 80 veno is level 60 gears and tank just as well with a Herc. Obviously, this is more relevant to your mage type veno, but I can't speak for any of the other types :).

    Belial is much better at saying what I think :)
  • Signako - Heavens Tear
    Signako - Heavens Tear Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Foxx - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You realize the very first trash mobs mobs in lunar glade in single mode hit about as hard as 1-1 chintien in squad mode?
    Tell you what. If she wants to send me a tell Im happy to go to lunar glade with her and see her (unmodified) bear tank one of those mobs. If she does it Ill give her a public apology on this forum. Until then its a load of bs and Im calling her out on it.

    LOL so she has to prove stuff to you? If you want to find out what a armored bear really can do, Buy one level it, and try for yourself. Like omg Foxx you might like it >:P
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  • Defected - Heavens Tear
    Defected - Heavens Tear Posts: 637 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Didn't read anything. Just pointing out that no herc = useless. That is all.
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  • Signako - Heavens Tear
    Signako - Heavens Tear Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Defected - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Didn't read anything. Just pointing out that no herc = useless. That is all.

    Lol but defected you think everyone who is not wearing green is useless :P
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  • _River - Heavens Tear
    _River - Heavens Tear Posts: 834 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    *Yawns*

    Wow... I leave this thread trying to forget it and get wind that someone calls me out on a truth that I spoke. *sighs* And here I was attempting to leave everyone alone. I already said my piece. So why are you guys insisting on attacking me?

    @defected:

    You think everyone is useless <.< cept maybe others in Enrage.
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  • BratFury - Heavens Tear
    BratFury - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,293 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I tend to think men who play womens characters are useless. They know nothing about pms... =USELESS! Oh and green is my favorite color so I have to agree with u on the green thingy... but that don't mean I like you b:chuckle

    Defected - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Didn't read anything. Just pointing out that no herc = useless. That is all.
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  • _River - Heavens Tear
    _River - Heavens Tear Posts: 834 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Foxx, btw, I will take you up on that, but under MY circumstances. I want you NO WHERE near me.

    I will screenshot me tanking a mob in Lunar Glade SQUAD. A mob of my choice, and using any method I want.

    If you have an issue with it, your challenge is invalid.

    Btw, my bear has all of the skills it originally came with, only modifying I have done is maxing out bash to level 5. No herc skills have been added. I'm not lucky enough to get one of those. Antigone farms those before anyone can xD

    Signako will be there with me to help me open it, I won't buff up except my own. He will also video record it so that ALL can see and believe that I can do it.
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  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Defected - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Didn't read anything. Just pointing out that no herc = useless. That is all.
    shes right, >_>; all end game venos need a herc. no arguing about it.

    mobs in those FB99s/TT3-2, 3-3 may need an auxilary tank should an accident happen, and i guarentee you, theres no way in hell a hercless veno can do that job. mobs in TT3-2/3-3are stronger than FB89/99 bosses and TT3-1 bosses by quite a bit. same goes for attempted lunar squads, RB delta, frost etc.

    hercless venos at 90+ are useless.

    example:
    Twilight Cenequus in 3-3: (normal mob)
    Life
    2 025 933

    Physical Attack
    9273 - 11333

    Magic Attack
    12986 - 15872

    Infernal Spikewing: (FB99 sage)
    Life
    2 649 511

    Physical Attack
    4344 - 10135

    Magic Attack
    4344 - 10135

    compared to the something lame like:
    Chintien Substancia
    Life
    1 497 335

    Physical Attack
    1571 - 4712

    Magic Attack
    2356 - 7067

    i wanna watch an armored bear try to tank the top two mobs.
  • _River - Heavens Tear
    _River - Heavens Tear Posts: 834 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    *Rolls eyes*

    I never claimed to be able to tank THOSE bosses. I said I tank TT bosses, you wanna get specific? Then I will tell you I DONT wanna tank those. I don't do rebirth, so why should I care if my bear can't tank those?

    I'm happy with the way my character is and the pets I have. BTW, I'm a light armor veno too. Soon as we post up the video of me tanking the mob with no help, only Signako recording it, you will all get a link to it.

    I am not an "end game" veno. I prefer to play the game for FUN not to rule the game. As I have already stated. So stop ripping me apart for trying to have fun and experimenting with the pets I have and just doing things I want to.
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  • _River - Heavens Tear
    _River - Heavens Tear Posts: 834 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    For those that want the stats of my armored bear, Ace:

    Level: 87
    HP: 3037
    Phys Attack: 1569
    Damage: 1214
    Evade: 899
    Mdef: 7338
    Pdef: 7338
    Loyalty: Full 999/999

    Skills:

    Bash level 5
    Threaten level 2
    Pounce level 2
    Tough level 5
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  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    quick note, 'damage' = accuracy, bad localization error.

    thats like the def of a magmite in its mid 70s, in which even then mine had a hard time tanking something like gouf or khewy.
  • _River - Heavens Tear
    _River - Heavens Tear Posts: 834 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    quick note, 'damage' = accuracy, bad localization error.

    thats like the def of a magmite in its mid 70s, in which even then mine had a hard time tanking something like gouf or khewy.

    I copied it directly from my pet stats, don't like it, talk to the devs about it not me. It says DAMAGE not ACCURACY.

    So quit nitpicking you insane forum troll. Go spend time with your family.
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  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    not nit picking, just making sure youre aware. geez some people over react to little stuff.
  • Nelae - Heavens Tear
    Nelae - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Defected - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Didn't read anything. Just pointing out that no herc = useless. That is all.

    I have to lol on that one.
    Thnx for the morning laugh b:laugh
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  • Kittennice - Heavens Tear
    Kittennice - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    RAWR

    Idk. This thread needs to die.
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  • Signako - Heavens Tear
    Signako - Heavens Tear Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_3FO3pdApc

    There is the video of _River tanking a mob inside Lunar Squad Mode. Level 87 veno, and level 87 normal armored bear. No help, no buffs nothing, except her own power. The videos quality is low but shrinking a 1.17gig file(taking with fraps) and putting it on youtube will do that. The mob is level 90. So there you go, _River and myself are done with this post, she has proven she can tank a mob in squad mode, and she should not, and will not have to prove anything else. Also before you think its single mode, remember single mode monsters have higher level, and thus yellow to me. These are white which means Squad mode. So like we said we are done, talk all you want, but she has proven what she can do.
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  • _River - Heavens Tear
    _River - Heavens Tear Posts: 834 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    And if any of you think I'm lying about the mode, if you have single mode unlocked, notice the difference in names.

    Mirror = single mode.

    Squad mode has no other significant name on the mobs.
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  • _River - Heavens Tear
    _River - Heavens Tear Posts: 834 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    BratFury - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    STICK THAT IN YOUR PEACE PIPE AND SMOKE IT!

    A-freaking-men.

    Now let's let this thread die
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  • Mythsoul - Heavens Tear
    Mythsoul - Heavens Tear Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited July 2009
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  • Mythsoul - Heavens Tear
    Mythsoul - Heavens Tear Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    _River - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    A-freaking-men.

    Now let's let this thread die

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  • _River - Heavens Tear
    _River - Heavens Tear Posts: 834 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Mythsoul - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You no like men?

    lmao. My eyes are only on Signako ;) He's mah man hehe.b:cuteb:pleased
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  • Mythsoul - Heavens Tear
    Mythsoul - Heavens Tear Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    _River - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    lmao. My eyes are only on Signako ;) He's mah man hehe.b:cuteb:pleased

    jejeje you laff mermaid
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  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Signako - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_3FO3pdApc

    There is the video of _River tanking a mob inside Lunar Squad Mode. Level 87 veno, and level 87 normal armored bear. No help, no buffs nothing, except her own power. The videos quality is low but shrinking a 1.17gig file(taking with fraps) and putting it on youtube will do that. The mob is level 90. So there you go, _River and myself are done with this post, she has proven she can tank a mob in squad mode, and she should not, and will not have to prove anything else. Also before you think its single mode, remember single mode monsters have higher level, and thus yellow to me. These are white which means Squad mode. So like we said we are done, talk all you want, but she has proven what she can do.
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/mob/15829 the mob you tanked is freakin weak as hell. thats like the equivalent of tanking gouf with an armored bear

    goufs stats:
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/mob/4360

    which is not impressive at all. heck most of the mobs you brag about tanking are weaker than or equivilent to 1-1 chintien squad mode. that goes for TT mobs, those lunar mobs, FB89 mobs... thats kind of a sad thing to brag about.
  • _River - Heavens Tear
    _River - Heavens Tear Posts: 834 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Foxx said a mob in lunar squad mode. Just because I can tank it doesn't mean its weak.

    You are trying to find every way to discredit everything I say and do. Why can't you accept who I am and what I choose?

    I know, because you're a forum troll. As you've said you take pleasure in pissing people off. Guess what? I'm not mad. But i do feel sorry for your wife and children.

    And honestly, I'm not bragging. All I was pointing out was that it can be done with an armored bear. If i wanted to brag, I would give you something that I can brag about. But this isn't a show and tell contest. This is a, I was challenged and gave my proof.

    You dont like it, tough. And btw, if you're gonna compare, get a mob with stats that are higher than Gouf's. That's hardly a comparison.

    And I do tank MOBS in fb89 with that bear. I even tamed myself a rhinodrake and celestial hare with my bear tanking. Just because you can't believe that I do things without a herc doesn't mean that it can't be done. Can't you just accept what you see? Oh yeah... you can't. Cause you're a FORUM TROLL. Well I'm not paying your toll. So leave me alone and pick on some other veno for a change. Since you like dishing ****, why not pick on heavy venos while you're at it?
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  • Alyyy - Sanctuary
    Alyyy - Sanctuary Posts: 3,165 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/mob/15829thats like the equivalent of tanking gouf with an armored bear

    goufs stats:
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/mob/4360

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  • _River - Heavens Tear
    _River - Heavens Tear Posts: 834 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Alyyy - Sanctuary wrote: »
    i admire your visdomb:thanks(u surfing pwdatabase the whole time <.<?)

    It would seem that way since it took him SO long to reply to the video proof.

    Now how in the world do we get a mod to close this freaking thread? Its getting old and I'm tired of the bashing on _River cause I don't want a herc thing that seems to be going around.

    Mods for the love of all things holy, please CLOSE this thread
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  • Alyyy - Sanctuary
    Alyyy - Sanctuary Posts: 3,165 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    _River - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    It would seem that way since it took him SO long to reply to the video proof.

    Now how in the world do we get a mod to close this freaking thread? Its getting old and I'm tired of the bashing on _River cause I don't want a herc thing that seems to be going around.

    Mods for the love of all things holy, please CLOSE this thread

    u... dont... want.... a.... HERC....._.
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  • TheGoliath - Heavens Tear
    TheGoliath - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Alyyy - Sanctuary wrote: »
    u... dont... want.... a.... HERC....._.
    yeah.. don't mind her

    she's like a barb saying "I don't want to refine my armors it's a waste!" yet u can still be a decent tank/barb but u'll always be inferior to someone who refine
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