Why are Venos without Hercs considered useless?

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  • Aisubeki - Sanctuary
    Aisubeki - Sanctuary Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    TheGoliath - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    looks like u have lots of time to kill to type all this nonsense lol

    creepy


    Edit: oh rly Tear ? o,o
    I got tricked by pesky venos without herc, from now on I'll ask only for venos with herc! <.<
    If it gets your husband to stop yelling at a damn laptop, and stop interrupting my movie, I sure as heck will do it @_@;
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  • Kittennice - Heavens Tear
    Kittennice - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Anywho...
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    Having fun since lv1
    5 more levels baby!
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  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Kittennice - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    But I don't have that skill @_@
    sage soul degeneration on veno actually works like sage sharpened, 20% hp reduc.
  • _River - Heavens Tear
    _River - Heavens Tear Posts: 834 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Kittennice - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    But I don't have that skill @_@

    But you have an archer friend maybe o.o?
    Aisubeki - Sanctuary wrote: »
    If it gets your husband to stop yelling at a damn laptop, and stop interrupting my movie, I sure as heck will do it @_@;

    I really am sorry D:
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  • Aisubeki - Sanctuary
    Aisubeki - Sanctuary Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    _River - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    But you have an archer friend maybe o.o?



    I really am sorry D:
    You didnt know! Its not as if everyone on the forum is magically going to either, it just helps if mediators get in sometimes though.
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  • Kittennice - Heavens Tear
    Kittennice - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    sage soul degeneration on veno actually works like sage sharpened, 20% hp reduc.

    Oh XD. Too bad I'm going demon...
    _River - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    But you have an archer friend maybe o.o?

    Husband is offline T_T that sleepy head
    The VenoX: Heavy Pure Melee (Axe User with a hint of magic) Venomancer and Proud
    Having fun since lv1
    5 more levels baby!
    ^_____^
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  • _River - Heavens Tear
    _River - Heavens Tear Posts: 834 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Aisubeki - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You didnt know! Its not as if everyone on the forum is magically going to either, it just helps if mediators get in sometimes though.

    You have a good point, however I learned a valuable lesson: I need to be really careful how I approach things from now on.

    Kittennice - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Oh XD. Too bad I'm going demon...


    Husband is offline T_T that sleepy head

    Aww x.x
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    For all those that told me Lunar Gold wasn't worth the hassle of farming... but now have the Nirvana versions... I laugh at you. Hypocrites.
  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    blaahhhh stop love, you spoil me too much ):! if you wanted me to stop, you couldve just asked :x.

    iloveyou:|
  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    if this doesnt kill the thread...
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  • Kittennice - Heavens Tear
    Kittennice - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Alright, thread. It's time to lay you to rest once and for all!

    -1 minute later-

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    The VenoX: Heavy Pure Melee (Axe User with a hint of magic) Venomancer and Proud
    Having fun since lv1
    5 more levels baby!
    ^_____^
    {=^.^=} < I'll never give up. Never give in. )

    I'm for The Cursed!
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  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    blondie = thread, go shana, go!
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    TheGoliath - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    well, doing a common example I always accept venos with or without herc in TTs, many common pets like the golem, as far as I know, deal more damage than herc so are better for DDing against the silly [?] bosses...

    Debuffs like Pierce and Howl are far more effective than a pet's DPS. Herc's are nice if the primary Tanker or Cleric DC's.
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  • Tearvalerin - Sanctuary
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary Posts: 3,787 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    no they arent... especially on ? bosses. the faster they attack, and harder they hit, the better. herc is the best instance avaliable pet that fits the criterion.

    note: cleric seals and ironwood scarab are way better than pet debuffs like howl or pierce. the venomancer should be debuffing the boss, not the pet.
  • Alyyy - Sanctuary
    Alyyy - Sanctuary Posts: 3,165 Arc User
    edited July 2009
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  • Alphae - Lost City
    Alphae - Lost City Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    edited July 2009
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  • HolyInferno - Sanctuary
    HolyInferno - Sanctuary Posts: 767 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Did you know, hercs without venos are considered useless too? b:cute
    b:bye you were all swell peoples
  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    HolyInferno - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Did you know, hercs without venos are considered useless too? b:cute

    Lies, those are all lies.....
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  • Foxx - Heavens Tear
    Foxx - Heavens Tear Posts: 464 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    That video looks like youve got a second veno in the party, and those heals seem to be landing awfully fast. Maybe thats the joys of having a 20ms connection, or maybe thats the joys of having a second veno to heal. (assuming its even you. pretty impossible to read names at that resolution)

    In any case its pretty pathetic and its a pretty good example of just how weak your bear is, and why a party wouldnt want your bear when there is any serious tanking needed to be done by the pet.

    As for parties that already have a tank and a healer, I admit you have a point, but the thing is a lot of barbs prefer not to have to tank everything as repair casts are pretty high.
  • Kephras - Heavens Tear
    Kephras - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,472 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Dead thread is dead. Stop making zombies!
  • Kittennice - Heavens Tear
    Kittennice - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Alyyy - Sanctuary wrote: »
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    b:scorn Don't bring the cats into this.
    The VenoX: Heavy Pure Melee (Axe User with a hint of magic) Venomancer and Proud
    Having fun since lv1
    5 more levels baby!
    ^_____^
    {=^.^=} < I'll never give up. Never give in. )

    I'm for The Cursed!
    pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=656132
  • Signako - Heavens Tear
    Signako - Heavens Tear Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Foxx - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    That video looks like youve got a second veno in the party, and those heals seem to be landing awfully fast. Maybe thats the joys of having a 20ms connection, or maybe thats the joys of having a second veno to heal. (assuming its even you. pretty impossible to read names at that resolution)

    In any case its pretty pathetic and its a pretty good example of just how weak your bear is, and why a party wouldnt want your bear when there is any serious tanking needed to be done by the pet.

    As for parties that already have a tank and a healer, I admit you have a point, but the thing is a lot of barbs prefer not to have to tank everything as repair casts are pretty high.

    Wow foxx so a Blademaster in the party some how is another veno? Like omg i are pet healing hybrid? I feel honored, but yeah she has alot of channeling, so fast heals she does. It gets the job done :) but thank you for the complement it made her smile big that you think there was another veno healing, while she was alone DDing and Healing. You made her, and my day :) Ty.
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  • BratFury - Heavens Tear
    BratFury - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,293 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Correct, no one on here knows anything about a persons personal life unless they are told. Although I could see why no one would want to. Since I once told Forp my child had tourettes syndrome and he turned around a few days later and called me **** and said that was where my son got it from.

    This is why there are forum rules. To be quite honest about it. If everyone followed them there would be no name calling, cursing/vulgar language or reasons for anyone to get upset. However, we are all opinionated and that is part of what makes the forums so great.

    I can ask a question and get an answer from people of all walks of life. Always a different viewpoint. Even if it doesn't agree with my own it shows me how other people think. And sometimes that is a wonderful thing. Just an FYI I happen to have ADD and OCD. Sometimes makes for a rough day, sometimes makes it hard to be "normal". But its something I hope to achieve every day. However; I don't need sedatives. I think all of us women wish we had a tranquilizer gun loaded with a few we could aim at our husbands.! That said...

    Venos are what they are. Everyone should be happy with what they choose to play.



    Aisubeki - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You didnt know! Its not as if everyone on the forum is magically going to either, it just helps if mediators get in sometimes though.
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    no they arent... especially on ? bosses. the faster they attack, and harder they hit, the better. herc is the best instance avaliable pet that fits the criterion.

    note: cleric seals and ironwood scarab are way better than pet debuffs like howl or pierce. the venomancer should be debuffing the boss, not the pet.


    Ironwood Scarab Lv. 10: Reduces enemy's physical defense by 30% for 10 seconds. +Requires 25 Chi

    Pierce Lv. 5: Attack enemy and decrease enemy's Physical Defense by 36% for 15 secs.

    Care to name the seals that negate the usefulness of howl?
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  • Kephras - Heavens Tear
    Kephras - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,472 Arc User
    edited July 2009
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  • Alyyy - Sanctuary
    Alyyy - Sanctuary Posts: 3,165 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Kephras - Heavens Tear wrote: »
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    that pic reminds me of a lvl in tomb raider legend...b:surrender
    Kittennice - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    b:scorncats

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  • Mosz - Heavens Tear
    Mosz - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,181 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    tweakz wrote: »

    Care to name the seals that negate the usefulness of howl?

    elemental+dimensional seal, keep boss or mob at 30% pdef and mdef reduce entire time as cooldown are quick no chi cost cast fast, not as easy to cast when barb is tanking but when herc is cleric can keep boss debuffed entire time and DD
  • Alyyy - Sanctuary
    Alyyy - Sanctuary Posts: 3,165 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Mosz - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    elemental+dimensional seal, keep boss or mob at 30% pdef and mdef reduce entire time as cooldown are quick no chi cost cast fast, not as easy to cast when barb is tanking but when herc is cleric can keep boss debuffed entire time and DD

    why did this evolve into a debuff discusion b:sad....and once again its prooven that clerics are THE best class for debuffing ur foe.. :Pb:cool
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  • FoxRunning - Heavens Tear
    FoxRunning - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,048 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    from what i've heard, a suprisingly large percentage of players in online games like this are disabled in various ways-mentally, physically, emotionally, sometimes all of the above together. and true, meds really can add to the problems of coping with things that are annoying in other players. which means that we have to do our best to be tolerant of each other. i include myself in this catagory, since i am multidisabled, and homebound, along with many other players i know....this is our main way to 'get out of the house', and interact with friends/other people/lots of wonderful fantasy creatures of PWI.

    so, knowing that in many ways im not skilled in dealing with people, i try extra hard to be careful with what i say...more often than not, i withdraw, and stay away from people/guild chat when i know im not at my best. problem is when others with similar disabilties dont take similar precations, and then we have flamewars here and ingame/infaction/insquad...but since i cant do anything about the other person, if its ingame, i prefer to leave and go off alone to work, or, if necessary, leave the guild, rather than fight and cause pain to others and myself. i know there are folks here in the forums who have anger issues and short fuses, i just wish that they would take a few moments, take a deep breath, and consider what they are going to say, and how it may make the other person feel. i try to not speak in anger...wish others tried to do the same...

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    BratFury - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Correct, no one on here knows anything about a persons personal life unless they are told. Although I could see why no one would want to. Since I once told Forp my child had tourettes syndrome and he turned around a few days later and called me **** and said that was where my son got it from.

    This is why there are forum rules. To be quite honest about it. If everyone followed them there would be no name calling, cursing/vulgar language or reasons for anyone to get upset. However, we are all opinionated and that is part of what makes the forums so great.

    I can ask a question and get an answer from people of all walks of life. Always a different viewpoint. Even if it doesn't agree with my own it shows me how other people think. And sometimes that is a wonderful thing. Just an FYI I happen to have ADD and OCD. Sometimes makes for a rough day, sometimes makes it hard to be "normal". But its something I hope to achieve every day. However; I don't need sedatives. I think all of us women wish we had a tranquilizer gun loaded with a few we could aim at our husbands.! That said...

    Venos are what they are. Everyone should be happy with what they choose to play.
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  • Drmelvin - Heavens Tear
    Drmelvin - Heavens Tear Posts: 258 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Right im going to settle this, All veno are useless with or without a herc. Just get a barb and stop QQ'ing
  • Alyyy - Sanctuary
    Alyyy - Sanctuary Posts: 3,165 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Drmelvin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Right im going to settle this, All veno are useless with or without a herc. Just get a barb and stop QQ'ing

    b:chucklewe have a saying in my country ... : če drezaš drek samo še blj smrdi... translation..>.< dont poke **** it will just smell moreb:chuckle
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