TW Discussion - Twilight Temple

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

The map paints red, so what? People will continue to fight as long as there is something fight about. The new expansion won't help tho. Few new lands for Nef to get, that's not really helping us out.

Monkeytoes - Sanctuary

Zuyue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Haha is true reg wasnt getting anywhere attacking nef... but they were not the only ones attacking nef when they were. Leg attacked nef every week for months and reg just tried to get a good time slot with us along with the other factions. Leg made there attempt to take care of nef then reg turn on leg and guess what all the factions that were attacking nef with leg including reg all turn on leg. I do blame the resulting map as it is now on reg decisions as they were the "3rd strongest faction".

No one had a problem with Nef being on the receiving end of this exact same thing, least of all Legendary. To claim that doing that to Legendary is wrong, when Legendary ACTIVELY did the same to Nef is hypocritical.

No one MADE anyone do anything. If other factions chose to follow Regi in attacking Legendary, that cannot be blamed on Regi. Each of us are responsible for our OWN actions, not those of others.

Dan made the decision that he did based on what was best for Regicide at that time. At that point in time, Regi was hurting far worse than most realized, between in faction drama and the endless losses to Nef, morale was very low and people were leaving left and right. Most went to either Nef or Leg. Neither faction saw anything wrong with accepting them. Attacking Leg was about much much more than taking a territory, that was kind of a back burner goal. It was an issue that the entire faction discussed...we knew how we fared vs. Nef, we wanted to see how we fared vs Leg, we wanted to see the difference in Leg's strategy vs Nef's strategy, get as much experience as we could to better our own strategy. Most of all, we needed a break from the 5 minute steamrolls, or 30 minute charm-**** we got from Nef. We needed to time to step back, recover, regroup. Had we known then what we know now, the decision may very well have been a different one, but hindsight is always 20/20 isn't it...

Raydoit - Sanctuary

Ah I am glad to see Leg isn't with regi. Perhaps I talk too much about regi but I can't help it, they brought it upon themselves.

Well misti I think its about time you dust off these old trophies and put them back on to the field of battle b:cool

I sold all my TT90 eq (excluding my wep). I don't have any event EQ. But I can still pull off 11k hp, 3.1k accuracy, lengthy tw experience, lvl 10 HF, 2 genie freeze skills to stop those cats, and pretty much everything else a really good lvl 80 bm can do xD. My wife is in Legendary as well so all the more reason to join. I think its final already but still hope you guys will have me b:sin

Zuyue - Sanctuary

Monkeytoes - Sanctuary wrote: »

No one had a problem with Nef being on the receiving end of this exact same thing, least of all Legendary. To claim that doing that to Legendary is wrong, when Legendary ACTIVELY did the same to Nef is hypocritical.

I never said what u did was wrong i said what u did was the result of why the map is red.... everyone including u took the focus off nef when the map was split color to focus all your energy on leg along with rest of server. That in turn left nef to pick away unopposed and NOW u have a problem with nef when the result of nef's strenght was inadvertently caused by your decision to let them go unopposed for months while u picked on leg.

Now your faction is going thru what leg went thru except leg could handle nef 1v1 as reg cannot so your in a worst off position as is the reasons your all ranting for help and server should unite blah blah. My whole reason i posted u trying to defend dan is because his very decisions put him into the position he is in... i dont mind dan but to stand and defend him on something that was clearly caused by him is a bit nerve wrecking .

So ok by attacking leg he saved his factions morale at the expense of the morale of another much older faction and in turn now needs the help of that faction to get any advantage to win land. Face it if u dont get a time slot with the faction u crushed u wont succeed in a land and even tho u take 1 land nothing stop nef from taking it in 10 mins next week so nothing was achieved. As was stated a few pages over TW isnt just about taking lands.... u also need to defend them and frankly u or any faction in general can't defend nef with there best 80.

bloodredmage

Zuyue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Haha is true reg wasnt getting anywhere attacking nef... but they were not the only ones attacking nef when they were. Leg attacked nef every week for months and reg just tried to get a good time slot with us along with the other factions. Leg made there attempt to take care of nef then reg turn on leg and guess what all the factions that were attacking nef with leg including reg all turn on leg. I do blame the resulting map as it is now on reg decisions as they were the "3rd strongest faction".

As to even pose a treat to nef even then needed second and 3rd strongest factions. Now that leg has fell to 3rd strongest faction and now reg needs our help to win land maybe we should do what they did and just not attack since we really can't attack reg with resulting map positions.What goes around comes around u turned the whole server on attacking leg... now there were not much left u want our help so u have a better chance at winning land. Kinda hypocritical!

Zuzu , this is why I like you b:dirty .

Anyway , I see it was worth starting a discussion about this . This thread was getting pretty boring , drama is a must .

Raydoit - Sanctuary

Hmmmm what do we have here?

Honestly I am confused. How many nefs went to emi and why? explain plz b:lipcurl

Ceshiari - Sanctuary

Probably about to start giving land to Eminence, so the map will not get reset.

Here is the scenario:

Nef vet's move to Eminence to make room for new Neffer's that want in on the gold rush.

Eminence bids on Nef land.

Nef gives it to them.

Eminence and Nef share domination over the map. Sister factions, holding their land.

No map reset because Dev's see that two factions hold the map.

*claps slowly* Brilliant idea. Id love to know who came up with it, it truly is a winner.

Screenshots of Nef webpage, anyone?

=OR=

Nef vet's move to Eminence

Eminence bids on expansion territories, wins with obvious help from Nef veterans.

Beginning of Eminence empire.

Zuyue - Sanctuary

Ceshiari - Sanctuary wrote: »

Probably about to start giving land to Eminence, so the map will not get reset.

Here is the scenario:

Nef vet's move to Eminence to make room for new Neffer's that want in on the gold rush.

Eminence bids on Nef land.

Nef gives it to them.

Eminence and Nef share domination over the map. Sister factions, holding their land.

No map reset because Dev's see that two factions hold the map.

*claps slowly* Brilliant idea. Id love to know who came up with it, it truly is a winner.

Screenshots of Nef webpage, anyone?

There was already a post about if map will reset if fully controlled and GM said no it wont and they have no plans for a map reset. As stated a few pages over ppl were going from nef to eminence because they had friends there... not saying nef dont have motives to control the world with both factions but i guess we will see.

However or whatever there plan is or the reason why they did it hurt them last weak as those 6 or 7 100+ could have maybe held the line in all 3 wars and would resulted in no land lost. This decision is seeming to hurt more then benefit i think personally since nef had a few months free of good TW's that last week hit them unprepared as most of the server attacked nef just randomly. Maybe they will improve on this

dawhitemage

Zuyue - Sanctuary wrote: »

There was already a post about if map will reset if fully controlled and GM said no it wont and they have no plans for a map reset. As stated a few pages over ppl were going from nef to eminence because they had friends there... not saying nef dont have motives to control the world with both factions but i guess we will see.

However or whatever there plan is or the reason why they did it hurt them last weak as those 6 or 7 100+ could have maybe held the line in all 3 wars and would resulted in no land lost. This decision is seeming to hurt more then benefit i think personally since nef had a few months free of good TW's that last week hit them unprepared as most of the server attacked nef just randomly. Maybe they will improve on this

the gms also said that they wouldnt sell any high lv equipz especially TT and lunar directly or indirectly through the cash shop but we had anni packs. emmi is their sis fac for nef's alts mainly i think not many full fledged members switch their mains

noooo idea on the second part

Raydoit - Sanctuary

PFFFFFFFFT Nef is strong and all but they are no where near intelligent enough to have 2 god factions. If someone were to ask me what nefs weak point is I would quickly say "it has to be their overall intelligence". Honestly I'm surprised they can keep their own faction running. If they think they can get emi running just by giving them a portion of their brute force I think they will be severely disappointed. Also the fact that they are playing around with a sub faction by giving them valuable members such as ash proves that my comment about their intelligence is indeed accurate. Like zu was saying the difference of even 1 level 100 can shift the end result of a TW.

Money says we won't see nef in this thread for awhile.

Money says I just provoked a nef into posting something stupid in the future as a reply to this.

*has no money*

Zuyue - Sanctuary

Raydoit - Sanctuary wrote: »

PFFFFFFFFT Nef is strong and all but they are no where near intelligent enough to have 2 god factions. If someone were to ask me what nefs weak point is I would quickly say "it has to be their overall intelligence". Honestly I'm surprised they can keep their own faction running. If they think they can get emi running just by giving them a portion of their brute force I think they will be severely disappointed. Also the fact that they are playing around with a sub faction by giving them valuable members such as ash proves that my comment about their intelligence is indeed accurate. Like zu was saying the difference of even 1 level 100 can shift the end result of a TW.

Money says we won't see nef in this thread for awhile.

Money says I just provoked a nef into posting something stupid in the future as a reply to this.

*has no money*

Money. You mentioned it a few times in this post.... money does alot for just about anyone, everything pretty much is enveloped around it. You asked what keeps nef together? Maybe there not bright but why do u need to be bright when your walking around with 450m coins a week. That attracts attention alone...ppl arn't there because it is a family trust me i spent my own few months in nef i know how it was and how it is now. People are there to flaunt there egos and get payment and respect for it. That is why nef is still together.

Zuyue - Sanctuary

Oh and we did TW last week as mist mentioned just to give our lower lvls the experience....not to help any faction....we were not paid. our lower lvls almost took a land from nef that shows even more how vulnerable they are hehe

TheDan - Sanctuary

Raydoit - Sanctuary wrote: »

PFFFFFFFFT Nef is strong and all but they are no where near intelligent enough to have 2 god factions. If someone were to ask me what nefs weak point is I would quickly say "it has to be their overall intelligence". Honestly I'm surprised they can keep their own faction running. If they think they can get emi running just by giving them a portion of their brute force I think they will be severely disappointed. Also the fact that they are playing around with a sub faction by giving them valuable members such as ash proves that my comment about their intelligence is indeed accurate. Like zu was saying the difference of even 1 level 100 can shift the end result of a TW.

Money says we won't see nef in this thread for awhile.

Money says I just provoked a nef into posting something stupid in the future as a reply to this.

*has no money*

I actually don't know the back story behind the whole deal, but I believe some Nef members left out of their own free will because they were unhappy with current things there. I wouldn't say it was Nef's Leaderships' decision to do this, well... if they did then... b:shocked

and on a side note, *facepalm* Lately everyone's been pointing fingers at each other for the reason of LG's downfall.

Does a few TW lands really determine the success of the faction? Or is it the leadership and the trust in their members what keeps them together?

Allow me to delineate what I had in mind. Regicide has been wiped off the map no less than 6 times, by NWO, Wiccanway, Leg, Nef, etc. Does it really matter how many times you lose? Surely there's more to a faction than just winning and losing.

This applies to all factions, and no one wants to hear people justify themselves by saying we lost land so our faction died x_x. A few lands shouldn't make or break a faction, if the leadership there and core members stick around and put effort into it, any faction can be kept together. Ultimately, it is the bond between the leadership of the faction and trust in their members have in them to keep a faction running. Props to Michael, Skuttle, and their current members for their dedication and effort in keeping Leg together, I'm proud of your effort, keep up the good work. LG and any other faction can be potential viable factions so long as there is effort present to advocate it.

Regarding Nef... I'm sure the attackers will have to put some effort and thought into devising a plan that would satisfy the efforts and needs LG/RR put into it as well.

TheDan - Sanctuary

Zuyue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Oh and we did TW last week as mist mentioned just to give our lower lvls the experience....not to help any faction....we were not paid. our lower lvls almost took a land from nef that shows even more how vulnerable they are hehe

This.

LG's TW objective should be to help LG... I wouldn't expect them to do anything otherwise, good job!

Raydoit - Sanctuary

hmmmm nefs are leaving nef out of their own free will and going to nefs alt faction? o.O

I like the way you are talking dan. If nef is truly having problems it will only get worse and the other factions will get stronger. But im thinking the players in emi will rush back to nef before too much damage is dealt. However just by letting what happened on friday they gave everyone a lot of morale and that could be problematic for them. What I'm saying is Nef fcked up and it might get worse for them. However even if the tw maps starts to even out, regi might turn into the prime target if they continue to provoke the server in pk, not that I care b:scorn

I hope that attack wasn't a one time thing Legendary. I would be very disappoint if it were b:cool

EDIT: Also I would like to see that thunder in a bottle Enelysion turn their rage towards nef next week.

TheDan - Sanctuary

Raydoit - Sanctuary wrote: »

hmmmm nefs are leaving nef out of their own free will and going to nefs alt faction? o.O

I like the way you are talking dan. If nef is truly having problems it will only get worse and the other factions will get stronger. But im thinking the players in emi will rush back to nef before too much damage is dealt. However just by letting what happened on friday they gave everyone a lot of morale and that could be problematic for them. What I'm saying is Nef fcked up and it might get worse for them. However even if the tw maps starts to even out, regi might turn into the prime target if they continue to provoke the server in pk, not that I care b:scorn

I hope that attack wasn't a one time thing Legendary. I would be very disappoint if it were b:cool

EDIT: Also I would like to see that thunder in a bottle Enelysion turn their rage towards nef next week.

Right now Legendary seems to have their own "Eminence" in LGFOREVER. b:scorn

I hope that LGFOREVER will have the incentive to re-unite with their former counterparts in Legendary, and once again stand to help Legendary in their efforts against Nefarious. =P

Zuyue - Sanctuary

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Right now Legendary seems to have their own "Eminence" in LGFOREVER. b:scorn

I hope that LGFOREVER will have the incentive to re-unite with their former counterparts in Legendary, and once again stand to help Legendary in their efforts against Nefarious. =P

haha that be nef's worst nightmare as most of leg old high lvls are there... that be like reuniting leg itself and when leg was strong..... well no need to reminisce we know what happen in those wars ^^

riddiculus

sigh... yall fighting amongst each other and i can see nef members laughing at you.... theyre just watchin yall rant from the sideline... b:chuckle

Raydoit - Sanctuary

riddiculus wrote: »

sigh... yall fighting amongst each other and i can see nef members laughing at you.... theyre just watchin yall rant from the sideline... b:chuckle

^obviously has not been reading posts before posting.

So guess the last problem would obviously be defending. If there were 2-3 factions attacking nef while they were attacking it would be smart to turn defense into attack and try to take out nef before they finish defending their lands. Most would assume that Leg will lose their lands today however there are 3 factions attacking nef at the same time. Nef won't be any better than on friday so Leg should have a chance since they have help from other factions. Just depends on if those factions show up or not xD Leg really needs to take that crystal out before nef finishes up. Would be awesome to take a land and defend them b:sin

No wait wait, it would be "Legendary" to take a land and defend them *shot*

Zuyue - Sanctuary

riddiculus wrote: »

sigh... yall fighting amongst each other and i can see nef members laughing at you.... theyre just watchin yall rant from the sideline... b:chuckle

even better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBI3lc18k8Q whatcha say? Nef better watch out because http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVYEVYnuuME there coming!

Zuyue - Sanctuary

Raydoit - Sanctuary wrote: »

^obviously has not been reading posts before posting.

So guess the last problem would obviously be defending. If there were 2-3 factions attacking nef while they were attacking it would be smart to turn defense into attack and try to take out nef before they finish defending their lands. Most would assume that Leg will lose their lands today however there are 3 factions attacking nef at the same time. Nef won't be any better than on friday so Leg should have a chance since they have help from other factions. Just depends on if those factions show up or not xD Leg really needs to take that crystal out before nef finishes up. Would be awesome to take a land and defend them b:sin

No wait wait, it would be "Legendary" to take a land and defend them *shot*

haha ray how many TW's u been to? U dont attack and defend at same time hun Nef is Attacking leg and defending 3 lands later on. Attack takes palce in the afternoon defences in the evening hun

Raydoit - Sanctuary

Zuyue - Sanctuary wrote: »

haha ray how many TW's u been to? U dont attack and defend at same time hun Nef is Attacking leg and defending 3 lands later on. Attack takes palce in the afternoon defences in the evening hun

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*just looked at times*


Since when are early TWs on Sunday? I thought those were only on saturday b:irritated

I haven't TWed since I was in Enelysion lol b:embarrass Has there always been early Sunday TWs?


Before I saw the times I was saying Legendary should try to get nefs crystal while they are taking care of the other factions rather than trying to wait out the full 3 hours. It still could be interesting depending on who has more absent on the early TW.

Zuyue - Sanctuary

Raydoit - Sanctuary wrote: »

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*just looked at times*


Since when are early TWs on Sunday? I thought those were only on saturday b:irritated

I haven't TWed since I was in Enelysion lol b:embarrass Has there always been early Sunday TWs?


Before I saw the times I was saying Legendary should try to get nefs crystal while they are taking care of the other factions rather than trying to wait out the full 3 hours. It still could be interesting depending on who has more absent on the early TW.

your silly an yes it could be leg has 147 sign ups so far!!!

TheDan - Sanctuary

Zuyue - Sanctuary wrote: »

your silly an yes it could be leg has 147 sign ups so far!!!

You mean 147 sign ups for the pool party? b:dirty

Zuyue - Sanctuary

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

You mean 147 sign ups for the pool party? b:dirty

no dan only your invited to that

NaitomeaDesu - Sanctuary

i wanna go ;(

bloodredmage

Glad to see you ppl are happy and all but you said some things that were better kept to your own factions ESPECIALLY the idea of nef giving lands to emi so there won't be a map reset ( even if there's a 1% chance , this way there'd be no risks involved + allowing nef to slowly double their forces in the future by having 2 strong factions to repel any kind of attacks the server throws at them ) . Ray you said they aren't smart enough to think of something like this ? Well even if we assume your right , they don't need to think about it since it's been discussed here , GG .

Sometimes .... I wonder if some ppl think at all . Do I really need to install the game , make a random - newbie character to talk in-game and teach you ppl how to keep some things to yourselves ? > > > Oh noes , my ego-mode is on again , Q_Q . QUICK !!! Some1 call for Deceptistar so she can say something mean and shut me up !

MiStAiSa - Sanctuary

bloodredmage wrote: »

Glad to see you ppl are happy and all but you said some things that were better kept to your own factions ESPECIALLY the idea of nef giving lands to emi so there won't be a map reset ( even if there's a 1% chance , this way there'd be no risks involved + allowing nef to slowly double their forces in the future by having 2 strong factions to repel any kind of attacks the server throws at them ) . Ray you said they aren't smart enough to think of something like this ? Well even if we assume your right , they don't need to think about it since it's been discussed here , GG .

Sometimes .... I wonder if some ppl think at all . Do I really need to install the game , make a random - newbie character to talk in-game and teach you ppl how to keep some things to yourselves ? > > > .

make sure its a hawt character and has big bewbs! see you soon b:bye

bloodredmage

MiStAiSa - Sanctuary wrote: »

make sure its a hawt character and has big bewbs! see you soon b:bye

Hey I'm not that bored b:cute . DOTA for now !!!

Raydoit - Sanctuary

bloodredmage wrote: »

Ray you said they aren't smart enough to think of something like this ? Well even if we assume your right , they don't need to think about it since it's been discussed here , GG .

Sometimes .... I wonder if some ppl think at all . Do I really need to install the game , make a random - newbie character to talk in-game and teach you ppl how to keep some things to yourselves ? > > > Oh noes , my ego-mode is on again , Q_Q . QUICK !!! Some1 call for Deceptistar so she can say something mean and shut me up !

Actually what I was trying to get out was that I think they do not have the brain power to manage 2 powerful factions. With nef being as....unintelligent as they are I could only imagine what emi is like. Of course nefs greedy mind would think of something like this. Although I wonder if they considered the fact they would be making less money and would have to split it between 200 extra players.

"WHAT!?!? I'm going to making less money because of this!? Eff this I don't even like being in nef, I'm starting my own faction!" hurhurhur