Careful not to make it able to bring the cooldowns of roar and takedown too low, it sounds to me like a recovery stacked destroyer in PvP will be able to have pretty close to a perma stunlock even with the recent changes. Ofcourse that'd need to be tested.
Something to keep in mind is that Cooldown in Neverwinter is not absolute. It is additive. Therefore 50% doesn't make an 8s cooldown into a 4s cooldown. It actually divides it by the value. Therefore an 8s CD with 50% CDR is actually (8/(1+.5)) = 5.3 second cooldown.
So while these numbers seem really big, they aren't quite as big as they seem.
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schweifer1982Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,662Arc User
Careful not to make it able to bring the cooldowns of roar and takedown too low, it sounds to me like a recovery stacked destroyer in PvP will be able to have pretty close to a perma stunlock even with the recent changes. Ofcourse that'd need to be tested.
I just maked some changes in preview .
4000 recovery 20 int Take Down 8 sec Roar 9.3 sec Frontline.S 13.7 sec without the feat so cut this half Take Down 4 sec Roar 4.7 sec + F.S 13,7 sec yes i think almost perma stunlock. And i am no elf.
schweifer1982Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,662Arc User
edited April 2014
Gentle can you not say this to GWF population too?
Hey guys, just wanted to drop in with some news and update changes.
We have been taking a long hard look at Hunter Rangers and where we want them to fall in our combat as well as how various players choose to experience them, and we have decided that we want to make some pretty big changes later on down the road. However we do not want these to be rushed changes to make Module 3, so we are going to be reducing the Split Shot damage reduction pretty heavily as well as leaving in all the other buffs we made.
I don't have much information on the bigger changes we want to make, but we definitely want to provide better tools to facilitate playing as a striker, as well as giving more options for rangers who would like to prefer one stance rather than always weaving back and forth. In addition, we do want to provide a tree that can preserve the current play style of weaving Melee and Ranged powers together so that there will be a full suite of options to play a Ranger any way you want to.
I want to stress again that these are big fundamental changes that will be happening farther down the road, and in the short term we are going to just be rolling back some of the damage reduction on split shot while leaving in the buffs and adjustments to other powers.
The change is as listed below:
Hunter Ranger: Split Shot: The damage reduction on this power has been readjusted. This power now has a total reduction of about 25% (down from 48%).
I just maked some changes in preview .
4000 recovery 20 int Take Down 8 sec Roar 9.3 sec Frontline.S 13.7 sec without the feat so cut this half Take Down 4 sec Roar 4.7 sec + F.S 13,7 sec yes i think almost perma stunlock. And i am no elf.
Is not working like that. If u have 100% cdr it will cut the initial timer in half and is rly hard to get to 100% cdr. For example if u have 14sec initial count at 100% recharge speed increase the count will become 7 sec and at 50% the count will be 9.24.
Is not working like that. If u have 100% cdr it will cut the initial timer in half and is rly hard to get to 100% cdr. For example if u have 14sec initial count at 100% recharge speed increase the count will become 7 sec and at 50% the count will be 9.24.
To expand on this: you are driving down the road at 50 mph and it will take you 1 hour to reach your destination. Now, if you double your speed (+100% speed) you are now driving 100 mph and it will take you 30 minutes to reach your destination (-50% time needed). If instead of doubling your speed you increase your speed by 50%, you are now driving 75 mph and it will take you 40 minutes to reach your destination (-33% time needed). Now, in your situation, you have ~35.43% from recovery, 10% from int, 50% from the feat for a total of +95.43% recharge speed for a total of ~97.65 mph. It will take you ~30 minutes 44 seconds to reach your destination (-49.3% time needed). Now, to be fair not many GWF stack to that high of a lvl for recovery or even put any points into Int (most would need to reroll to get that high probably), but it could get problematic for PvP with takedown I'm sure. I don't remember the default time for Takedown at the moment but lets say it is 10 seconds; it will reduce the time to ~5.07 seconds.
When will the GF get some love? GWF here, GWF there is getting tiresome pretty fast.
I love what you did to Lunging strike/anvil of doom BUT there are at least 5 other useless feats/skills that should be looked at, Griffon's wrath for example. It has a huge potential, but it's terrible animationspeed makes it pretty hard to use and since easymode people roll standard 5-6 dodges idk about TR, but 1+1=2. Crushing surge needs a huge healing buff or a total rework since the animation of said skill is slow and too easily dodgeable. Anvil of doom could use a damage buff from the 25% hp mark to 35%. Lunging strike in the tactician tree should not provide an interrupt, a 1 sec stun would be better. Knight's challenge buggs out and randomly stop working in pve aswell as pvp.
Frontline surge is effectively useless, due to a very high cooldown and -25% dmg nerf. Bull charge is ok, but not my cup of tea either, since prones are almost useless due to their duration-nerf, while stuns are still viable.
So yeah, when will the GF get some attention, too? Hopefully soon.
Great Weapon Fighter: Relentless Battle Fury: This feat now grants 10/20/30/40/50% (up from 5/10/15/20/25%) shorter cooldowns to Battle Fury, Takedown, and Roar. Additionally the damage of Roar and Takedown are increased by 5/10/15/20/25% and the duration of Battle Fury is increased by 5/10/15/20/25%. These powers no longer grant Relentless (ignore an additional 1/2/3/4/5% of a target’s resistance).
Well this feat's buff's too big, maybe keep the cooldowns the same as before and keep the other bonuses intact will be fine.
well, "too big" is not for pve (good feet, nothing more). but will now be a more desirable option for sm / destroyer considering that the WMS is not a good aoe weapon to be used with the slam.
about pvp, well, I do not play, but always heard that the destroyer was bad. at least now he'll have a good tools (broken game?probably no).
My only fear is this bringing a future misinformation.. someone will tell the forum that gwf - sentinel - does not die; another will say gwf - destroyer - has a very strong and fast takedown. the lack of distinction comes a general nerf ... is a classic event.
So maybe shove the CW/GF or whatever discussion to other threads please, tyvm.
Well this feat's buff's too big, maybe keep the cooldowns the same as before and keep the other bonuses intact will be fine.
you cant discuss class changes without total balance in mind, for example 1st version(with 1% stacks) of gwf mod 3 might be balanced and good if u compare it with tr, hr, gf, but then there is broken op cw that makes all changes to any other class useless as long as they dont compare to cw. but instead of balancing cw they are now buffing gwf making 1 op class to go with their broken op cw.
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pandapaulMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 424Bounty Hunter
edited April 2014
Wow people QQing over some buffs for GWF.. some people will do anything to protect there completely broken OP CWs in Pve.. its really disappointing
Now obviously a lot of people have no idea about GWF paths and feats.. they buffs will impact on GWF destroyer ONLY... the ones people are QQing about.. reduced cooldowns are well into the destroyers path...
let me ask a question how many threads have you seen where people QQ about destroyer GWFs...... 0.... destroyers are horrible for pvp.. sure they might have damage and now some cool prones... but they are SUPER SQUISHY with low hp.. less than 30k... Any decent TR/HR/CW can kill a destroyer GWF within one rotation.. heck even some GFs can as well....
So people please stop protecting the CW in pve.... these changes will have almost no impact of pvp...
Actually, Destroyer GWFs don't have to be "super squishy." There's no reason they can't have more than 30k hit points or fairly good defensive stats. And if they get the ability to make a build that lets them prone and stun very frequently, being less tanky matters less, since their opponent will be fighting back less. While Destroyer GWFs haven't been a problem in PvP in the same way that Sentinel GWFs are hilariously over-the-top overpowered in PvP, that doesn't mean that they can't be made to *become* too good with a few boosts here and there.
Clearly most of the boosts offered for Destroyer GWFs so far look PvE-oriented, but that doesn't mean care shouldn't be exercised to make sure they don't just replace Sentinels in PvP. Takedown already has a very low cooldown, and it's already one of the most common powers for PvP GWFs; boosting the powers that are already among their best in that context seems weird. Conversely, I'm unclear if Takedown has all that much utility in PvE. Knocking down a single mob at a time seems fairly unspectacular.
People in this thread seem to generally be concerned with comparisons to CWs. Ideally, Sentinel GWFs should get nerfed into line with the other classes in PvP and PvE. CWs may be a more difficult case to balance, since they need to get nerfed down to par in PvE (or content changed to favor other classes more), while they are in need of a boost in PvP. Personally, I wouldn't mind if GWFs were as useful as CWs in PvE, as long as the same also held true for PvP. Right now, the issues are that (1) other classes get locked out of PvE for being less useful than CWs and (2) the enjoyment of players of other classes is diminished in PvP by how strong GWFs are. The former can be solved through grouping with the right people, the latter requires a mechanical adjustment. Finally fixing Deep Gash is a start, but it may not be sufficient.
yeah cw is so weak in pvp that it can 1 shot every dps destroyer gwf with ice knife so pls tell me how will lower cd on takedown be problem for u then?
btw broken op spellstorm cw is easy to fix they just need to nerf eye to give 20% crtic chance instead of 100% even then this would be the best class skill since it is so easy to have it on all the time in pve
This change would ensure the hegemony of the destroyer for pvp ? i think not . it seems, other classes and own sentinel / iv has been worrying over this department . the " gwf " now also launch the destroyer in the fray .
and this is hypothetical . correct me if I'm wrong .
about pve have an interesting point ; someone commented that " only speaks of gwf ,missing love for gf ". yes, but the gf is now an hegemonic defender. the destroyer not currently have any valid aoe resource , or an initial volume of damage/threat.
this buff in the takedown feet ( excluding the already improved focused destroyer ) is the first significant change ( I hope not the last ) . other changes are exotic or just " OK " . this bonus in sure strike is not bad , but not solve new needs, and is not so generous to the point of transforming it into a weapon . is a consolation for those who have nothing to offer.
by the way, we can also talk about " specialty " . can someone tell me what is the specialty of the class in Module 3? the reason why a person would say " this would be much easier with a destroyer!"? let us be charitable to the class , friends cw . let's be charitable.
ps : still waiting for my 30k reaping strike . I think it started to rain; hahaha .
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pandapaulMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 424Bounty Hunter
Actually, Destroyer GWFs don't have to be "super squishy." There's no reason they can't have more than 30k hit points or fairly good defensive stats. And if they get the ability to make a build that lets them prone and stun very frequently, being less tanky matters less, since their opponent will be fighting back less. While Destroyer GWFs haven't been a problem in PvP in the same way that Sentinel GWFs are hilariously over-the-top overpowered in PvP, that doesn't mean that they can't be made to *become* too good with a few boosts here and there.
Clearly most of the boosts offered for Destroyer GWFs so far look PvE-oriented, but that doesn't mean care shouldn't be exercised to make sure they don't just replace Sentinels in PvP. Takedown already has a very low cooldown, and it's already one of the most common powers for PvP GWFs; boosting the powers that are already among their best in that context seems weird. Conversely, I'm unclear if Takedown has all that much utility in PvE. Knocking down a single mob at a time seems fairly unspectacular.
People in this thread seem to generally be concerned with comparisons to CWs. Ideally, Sentinel GWFs should get nerfed into line with the other classes in PvP and PvE. CWs may be a more difficult case to balance, since they need to get nerfed down to par in PvE (or content changed to favor other classes more), while they are in need of a boost in PvP. Personally, I wouldn't mind if GWFs were as useful as CWs in PvE, as long as the same also held true for PvP. Right now, the issues are that (1) other classes get locked out of PvE for being less useful than CWs and (2) the enjoyment of players of other classes is diminished in PvP by how strong GWFs are. The former can be solved through grouping with the right people, the latter requires a mechanical adjustment. Finally fixing Deep Gash is a start, but it may not be sufficient.
Sorry mate you just have no idea.. I have a full rank 10s destroyer... I have tried to set it up defensively for pvp.. with gear and feats..and guess what it still was rubbish for pvp... you have no idea... a destroyer GWF will never be OP in PVP... NEVER.. it just isn't possible... they get killed far too easy
And yes some CWs can 1 hit destroyers with Ice Knife.. that is fairly common in PVP
Actually, Destroyer GWFs don't have to be "super squishy." There's no reason they can't have more than 30k hit points or fairly good defensive stats. And if they get the ability to make a build that lets them prone and stun very frequently, being less tanky matters less, since their opponent will be fighting back less. While Destroyer GWFs haven't been a problem in PvP in the same way that Sentinel GWFs are hilariously over-the-top overpowered in PvP, that doesn't mean that they can't be made to *become* too good with a few boosts here and there.
Clearly most of the boosts offered for Destroyer GWFs so far look PvE-oriented, but that doesn't mean care shouldn't be exercised to make sure they don't just replace Sentinels in PvP. Takedown already has a very low cooldown, and it's already one of the most common powers for PvP GWFs; boosting the powers that are already among their best in that context seems weird. Conversely, I'm unclear if Takedown has all that much utility in PvE. Knocking down a single mob at a time seems fairly unspectacular.
People in this thread seem to generally be concerned with comparisons to CWs. Ideally, Sentinel GWFs should get nerfed into line with the other classes in PvP and PvE. CWs may be a more difficult case to balance, since they need to get nerfed down to par in PvE (or content changed to favor other classes more), while they are in need of a boost in PvP. Personally, I wouldn't mind if GWFs were as useful as CWs in PvE, as long as the same also held true for PvP. Right now, the issues are that (1) other classes get locked out of PvE for being less useful than CWs and (2) the enjoyment of players of other classes is diminished in PvP by how strong GWFs are. The former can be solved through grouping with the right people, the latter requires a mechanical adjustment. Finally fixing Deep Gash is a start, but it may not be sufficient.
a destroyer gwf is still gonna get romped by a senti in pvp
The thing people often forget about in PvP in NW is that it isn't at all about a 1v1 situation, most of the time you're in a two unless you are a perma stealth rogue or something similar. With a GWF one of their best things is the fact they can keep someone prone / stunned for like 5+ seconds as well as hitting their burst damage in this moment, the fact takedown and roar will be reduced by 50% cooldown and recovery is being made to give power surely a recovery based destroyer may be rather viable in PvP now. I'll probably be one to try testing if I can perma lock people now when the changes come on the public test shard as if this is a case we may have a problem being created.
just to note: I used CGI to have a projection of what the sure strike + battle fury with this new bonus ... oh god, what a nice surprise! hit like a live ibs without bleed (all bonus for sure strike, and and no one for ibs, of course).
Now, with or without bf is impossible to sustain a good aoe with wms. is a good time to bring back the cancellation.
Cancellation is not just an old bug; is one of the fun things that gwf had and lost, but do not care as much in the end because of the bleed (strong bug).
anyway, do not need to be precisely one old school cancellation. The melee version of split shoot, if I'm not mistaken, it's like the old wms in that, leaving the pressed button, you can repeat the attack circling the opponent.
I'd love something like that. even would be good for the gf too and not hurt my fingers like the old cancellation.
Greetings Adventurers!
With some changes coming to the way Power interacts with player powers, we thought this was a good time to fix some issues with the Great Weapon Fighter and try to better define his Destroyer and Sentinel trees.
Overview
Deep Gash and Student of the Sword were both fairly problematic feats, being that they were very easy to reach, and Deep Gash was receiving way more damage than was ever intended. In some cases it could make up nearly 30% of the total damage output to some Great Weapon Fighters. Given this we wanted to fix this bug and move a lot of that damage deeper down the Destroyer tree to make them a much stronger DPS presence and provide them a more clear play cycle that rewarded smart use of powers and Unstoppable. To accomplish that goal we have made the following changes.
Feats: Steely Defense: This feat now correctly grants 4/8/12/16/20% of your Defense as Power.
Feats: Deep Gash: This feat no longer gains additional damage from the power that applies it.
Feats: Deep Gash: This feat can no longer crit. This feat now applies a bleed that ticks for 4/8/12/16/20% of your Power (up from 3/6/9/12/15%).
Feats: Deep Gash: This power no longer ticks immediately upon application. New applications will not reset the tick timer. Additionally this DoT now lasts 6 seconds (up from 5). It still ticks 6 times total.
Feats: Student of the Sword: REWORK Your Critical Strikes now lower your target's Damage Resistance to your attacks by 1/2/3/4/5%. This effect cannot stack.
Feats: Executioner's Strike: Indomitable Battle Strike now deals a bonus 6/12/18/24/30% bonus damage as the target's health diminishes (up from 2/3/6/8/10%).
Feats: Relentless Battle Fury: NEW This feat now grants an additional effect. Activating Roar, Takedown, or Battle Fury now grants you Relentless. Relentless causes you to ignore an additional 1/2/3/4/5% of the target's resistance. Relentless lasts 5 seconds.
Feats: Focused Destroyer: This feat now grants an additional .5/1/1.5/2/2.5% bonus damage per stack of Destroyer.
Feats: Battle Awareness: Savage advance now grants shorter cooldowns for 15 seconds (up from 5).
Feats: Destroyer's Purpose: NEW This feat now grants an additional effect. When you deal damage while Unstoppable, you gain a stack of Destroyer's Purpose (max 20). Each stack of Destroyer's Purpose increases your damage by 1%. Destroyer's Purpose lasts 20 seconds.
hERE IS THE THING, Student of sword endeed is very strong and are making pvp a little unfair, but insteed of nerfing it, why dont just move it? got it? the problem is that feat is too easy to get, but if u move it to another tier, only pve/destroyer build will be able to reach that feat cause it's realy good feat for pve and the change on it wll lower gwf dps by alot.
sorry for my bad english
hERE IS THE THING, Student of sword endeed is very strong and are making pvp a little unfair, but insteed of nerfing it, why dont just move it? got it? the problem is that feat is too easy to get, but if u move it to another tier, only pve/destroyer build will be able to reach that feat cause it's realy good feat for pve and the change on it wll lower gwf dps by alot.
sorry for my bad english
Well... even if it's moved deeper, it should be the Instigator paragon instead of Destroyer, that path needs some working on or it'd be as dead as it is now.
iron vangourd gives better dps,cc and utily then swordmaster pls fix this iron vangourd is tank path not a the dps-cc path
This was probably one of the biggest issues here with GWF and GF, the problem is a GF without iron vanguard ends up lacking a lot of things as well as for how knock locking goes. The problem is that stuns can be broken out of while knocks cannot which leads to knocks technically being the better choice for PvP and more helpful in PvE for knocking things off areas. But as I said any nerf to iron vangaurd would be a truly heavy blow to GF's. Saying that I am trying out a swordmaster GF now however I'm not expecting much as for damage comes.
Giving GWF iron vanguard to allow them to be what a GF was supposed to be while having a spammable lunge has caused many problems.
Unstoppable seems to be depleting much faster than on live. Was this ability nerfed? I am sorry if this has been mentioned already i didnt see it in patch notes or the forum. The time feels like its been cut by about a third.
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Something to keep in mind is that Cooldown in Neverwinter is not absolute. It is additive. Therefore 50% doesn't make an 8s cooldown into a 4s cooldown. It actually divides it by the value. Therefore an 8s CD with 50% CDR is actually (8/(1+.5)) = 5.3 second cooldown.
So while these numbers seem really big, they aren't quite as big as they seem.
I just maked some changes in preview .
4000 recovery 20 int Take Down 8 sec Roar 9.3 sec Frontline.S 13.7 sec without the feat so cut this half Take Down 4 sec Roar 4.7 sec + F.S 13,7 sec yes i think almost perma stunlock. And i am no elf.
Hey guys, just wanted to drop in with some news and update changes.
We have been taking a long hard look at Hunter Rangers and where we want them to fall in our combat as well as how various players choose to experience them, and we have decided that we want to make some pretty big changes later on down the road. However we do not want these to be rushed changes to make Module 3, so we are going to be reducing the Split Shot damage reduction pretty heavily as well as leaving in all the other buffs we made.
I don't have much information on the bigger changes we want to make, but we definitely want to provide better tools to facilitate playing as a striker, as well as giving more options for rangers who would like to prefer one stance rather than always weaving back and forth. In addition, we do want to provide a tree that can preserve the current play style of weaving Melee and Ranged powers together so that there will be a full suite of options to play a Ranger any way you want to.
I want to stress again that these are big fundamental changes that will be happening farther down the road, and in the short term we are going to just be rolling back some of the damage reduction on split shot while leaving in the buffs and adjustments to other powers.
The change is as listed below:
Hunter Ranger: Split Shot: The damage reduction on this power has been readjusted. This power now has a total reduction of about 25% (down from 48%).
Thank you all for your continued feedback!
Is not working like that. If u have 100% cdr it will cut the initial timer in half and is rly hard to get to 100% cdr. For example if u have 14sec initial count at 100% recharge speed increase the count will become 7 sec and at 50% the count will be 9.24.
To expand on this: you are driving down the road at 50 mph and it will take you 1 hour to reach your destination. Now, if you double your speed (+100% speed) you are now driving 100 mph and it will take you 30 minutes to reach your destination (-50% time needed). If instead of doubling your speed you increase your speed by 50%, you are now driving 75 mph and it will take you 40 minutes to reach your destination (-33% time needed). Now, in your situation, you have ~35.43% from recovery, 10% from int, 50% from the feat for a total of +95.43% recharge speed for a total of ~97.65 mph. It will take you ~30 minutes 44 seconds to reach your destination (-49.3% time needed). Now, to be fair not many GWF stack to that high of a lvl for recovery or even put any points into Int (most would need to reroll to get that high probably), but it could get problematic for PvP with takedown I'm sure. I don't remember the default time for Takedown at the moment but lets say it is 10 seconds; it will reduce the time to ~5.07 seconds.
If my math if wrong, call me out on it.
I love what you did to Lunging strike/anvil of doom BUT there are at least 5 other useless feats/skills that should be looked at, Griffon's wrath for example. It has a huge potential, but it's terrible animationspeed makes it pretty hard to use and since easymode people roll standard 5-6 dodges idk about TR, but 1+1=2. Crushing surge needs a huge healing buff or a total rework since the animation of said skill is slow and too easily dodgeable. Anvil of doom could use a damage buff from the 25% hp mark to 35%. Lunging strike in the tactician tree should not provide an interrupt, a 1 sec stun would be better. Knight's challenge buggs out and randomly stop working in pve aswell as pvp.
Frontline surge is effectively useless, due to a very high cooldown and -25% dmg nerf. Bull charge is ok, but not my cup of tea either, since prones are almost useless due to their duration-nerf, while stuns are still viable.
So yeah, when will the GF get some attention, too? Hopefully soon.
So maybe shove the CW/GF or whatever discussion to other threads please, tyvm.
Well this feat's buff's too big, maybe keep the cooldowns the same as before and keep the other bonuses intact will be fine.
about pvp, well, I do not play, but always heard that the destroyer was bad. at least now he'll have a good tools (broken game?probably no).
My only fear is this bringing a future misinformation.. someone will tell the forum that gwf - sentinel - does not die; another will say gwf - destroyer - has a very strong and fast takedown. the lack of distinction comes a general nerf ... is a classic event.
you cant discuss class changes without total balance in mind, for example 1st version(with 1% stacks) of gwf mod 3 might be balanced and good if u compare it with tr, hr, gf, but then there is broken op cw that makes all changes to any other class useless as long as they dont compare to cw. but instead of balancing cw they are now buffing gwf making 1 op class to go with their broken op cw.
Now obviously a lot of people have no idea about GWF paths and feats.. they buffs will impact on GWF destroyer ONLY... the ones people are QQing about.. reduced cooldowns are well into the destroyers path...
let me ask a question how many threads have you seen where people QQ about destroyer GWFs...... 0.... destroyers are horrible for pvp.. sure they might have damage and now some cool prones... but they are SUPER SQUISHY with low hp.. less than 30k... Any decent TR/HR/CW can kill a destroyer GWF within one rotation.. heck even some GFs can as well....
So people please stop protecting the CW in pve.... these changes will have almost no impact of pvp...
yeah cw is so weak in pvp that it can 1 shot every dps destroyer gwf with ice knife so pls tell me how will lower cd on takedown be problem for u then?
btw broken op spellstorm cw is easy to fix they just need to nerf eye to give 20% crtic chance instead of 100% even then this would be the best class skill since it is so easy to have it on all the time in pve
This change would ensure the hegemony of the destroyer for pvp ? i think not . it seems, other classes and own sentinel / iv has been worrying over this department . the " gwf " now also launch the destroyer in the fray .
and this is hypothetical . correct me if I'm wrong .
about pve have an interesting point ; someone commented that " only speaks of gwf ,missing love for gf ". yes, but the gf is now an hegemonic defender. the destroyer not currently have any valid aoe resource , or an initial volume of damage/threat.
this buff in the takedown feet ( excluding the already improved focused destroyer ) is the first significant change ( I hope not the last ) . other changes are exotic or just " OK " . this bonus in sure strike is not bad , but not solve new needs, and is not so generous to the point of transforming it into a weapon . is a consolation for those who have nothing to offer.
by the way, we can also talk about " specialty " . can someone tell me what is the specialty of the class in Module 3? the reason why a person would say " this would be much easier with a destroyer!"? let us be charitable to the class , friends cw . let's be charitable.
ps : still waiting for my 30k reaping strike . I think it started to rain; hahaha .
Sorry mate you just have no idea.. I have a full rank 10s destroyer... I have tried to set it up defensively for pvp.. with gear and feats..and guess what it still was rubbish for pvp... you have no idea... a destroyer GWF will never be OP in PVP... NEVER.. it just isn't possible... they get killed far too easy
And yes some CWs can 1 hit destroyers with Ice Knife.. that is fairly common in PVP
a destroyer gwf is still gonna get romped by a senti in pvp
I also love how forgotten poor instigator is. :<
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Now, with or without bf is impossible to sustain a good aoe with wms. is a good time to bring back the cancellation.
Let's focus on what we are given, and not on a wish list of days gone by with tricks that were never meant to be, cool?
Cancellation is not just an old bug; is one of the fun things that gwf had and lost, but do not care as much in the end because of the bleed (strong bug).
anyway, do not need to be precisely one old school cancellation. The melee version of split shoot, if I'm not mistaken, it's like the old wms in that, leaving the pressed button, you can repeat the attack circling the opponent.
I'd love something like that. even would be good for the gf too and not hurt my fingers like the old cancellation.
sorry for my bad english
Well... even if it's moved deeper, it should be the Instigator paragon instead of Destroyer, that path needs some working on or it'd be as dead as it is now.
good googly moogly?
This was probably one of the biggest issues here with GWF and GF, the problem is a GF without iron vanguard ends up lacking a lot of things as well as for how knock locking goes. The problem is that stuns can be broken out of while knocks cannot which leads to knocks technically being the better choice for PvP and more helpful in PvE for knocking things off areas. But as I said any nerf to iron vangaurd would be a truly heavy blow to GF's. Saying that I am trying out a swordmaster GF now however I'm not expecting much as for damage comes.
Giving GWF iron vanguard to allow them to be what a GF was supposed to be while having a spammable lunge has caused many problems.
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