Though I don't think that should be the measuring stick developers use when tuning difficulty for the player base as a whole.
ofc not lol, if they did, all creatures would need roar like draco, a ton of health and the ability to 1 shot kill, just to make the game even remotely challenging
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Any chance you can video a run of lvl 70 CC and lvl 70 ToS to show us how easy they are please using the current client build , it shouldn't be a big issue , in another thread you made out you ran lvl 70 ToS with ease.
Any chance you can video a run of lvl 70 CC and lvl 70 ToS to show us how easy they are please using the current client build , it shouldn't be a big issue , in another thread you made out you ran lvl 70 ToS with ease.
I've done like ten days ago, and no I don't record everything. Why would I do that?
This doesn't seem right at all. I thought part of the point of these changes was to eliminate many of the cases where enemies were one-shotting players. Reading the OP, it looks like it's gone in the opposite direction, x10 even. I don't see how this can be in any way fun.
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I've done like ten days ago, and no I don't record everything. Why would I do that?
so that when you go on the forum boasting about how easy everything is and how bad other players are you have something to back your words up with , the OP clearly explained the reason he got stuck in red but you post like they did it intentionally like he doesn't know what he is doing , all I asked is if you reckon it is actually easy to take hits like his act log shows because they are reasonable then please run CC and record so we mere mortals can see what we are doing so wrong.
lol to hell with this. either give us hp accordingly and nerf this ****. i don't mind lostmauth one shooting me, if i'm not careful on live it WILL happen. i don't mind it happening more often either, but 3m? come on. thought tanks are supposed to be useful, they can't tank this ****. neither does my poor gwf RIP. this game is a disaster.
They should fix this before it goes live or they will lose players in spades. I was in the well of the dragon area and did the sharandar solo dungeons. CW full legendary R9/R10 3k+ item level and it was no fun. The randomness of LL is a joke and the mobs hit way to hard. 11k throwing daggers from trash mobs.
This is not a question of gearing up or ltp. 80% of the players will have worse stats with lvl 70 gear, than my CW has now.
i thought the concern was the adds one shot poeple?boss should hit hard is a boss.
the boss should hit hard. 3 million damage hard before block is not hard that is just dead. GFs should be able to withstand nearly everything through block except perhaps 1 special attack a boss might have. as it is, any of traven's abilities have the potential to kill through block. That fire bomb was going off about every 15-20 seconds
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i thought the concern was the adds one shot poeple?boss should hit hard is a boss.
Using that reasoning you can justify any damage. Say they boost Traven Blackdagger up to 3 Billion damage per attack. If someone claims that is unreasonable the reply "he's a boss he should hit hard" would still be true. But at some point the boss damage does cross the line from "he's a boss he should hit hard" into "ok, that's just plain unreasonable" territory.
The real question is how hard is too hard? A boss having an attack that kills a GF at max HP even though they have their shield up is, in my opinion, too hard. Attacks that do 10 times my max HP that have no warning, no red areas, and cannot be dodged are, in my opinion, too hard. Even if there were no adds in this entire fight I don't see any way for us to have survived his Drunken Rage. And I don't think not dousing the flames and just standing in the fire to fight him is a realistic option either.
I still need to download 14,4 GB, did you got the imperial version? cause i did, wonder if the mount is fast xD
Yeah i got imperial version, found the horse decent but it doesnt have the same speed increase the mounts in nwn do, not sure if you can get faster mounts later on:)
I dont think is too hard. In a party with GF, DC, SW and TR (yeap, the five member quit) we can research the last boss (50min de dungeon and many wipes, but we do it). We can take 30% of boss life. I think is possible do it and is a good thing be hard as it is now.
Timing is very important here. When I walked into Cragmire Crypt with this group I believe I even said in chat "this should be pretty easy with this group. I was in here a few weeks ago with a much worse group and it wasn't that bad." Boy, was that inaccurate.
Every patch they change things. Sometimes its intentional. Sometimes not. How it was a few weeks ago may no longer be relevant.
epic lol is easy and we saw it yesterday when cw still able to avoid scorpion attack .my upload sucks otherwise a video show the real truth.
and we need as much 70 players we can 5 poeple testing because for the a or b reason had the time to make to 70 dont mean much. i know players dont have time to spend leveling in a test server who are really good players.take feedback from 5 players only is not accurate.
epic lol is easy and we saw it yesterday when cw still able to avoid scorpion attack .my upload sucks otherwise a video show the real truth.
and we need as much 70 players we can 5 poeple testing because for the a or b reason had the time to make to 70 dont mean much. i know players dont have time to spend leveling in a test server who are really good players.take feedback from 5 players only is not accurate.
So when a CW can dodge an attack a dungeon is easy now?
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no means the attack is no so fast so the human hand can block can sprint and dodge.
Not true. all dodges can dodge within the area of attack and not take damage because they get immunity frames. with sprint you must be completely outside the area that will be hit in that attack or you will still get hit.
For example, when a dragon does his big red wing attack a CW, or any dodging class can do a single dodge inside the red area at the correct time and avoid all the damage. a GWF though has to sprint all the way outside this to not take damage.
Being able to dodge an attack doesn't mean it is easily avoidable because the immunity frames last for so long. and in the case of many of the new bosses their attack animations have been sped up enough so that while a dodging class might have time to dodge a sprint class can't sprint out of the area being effected in time to not get one shot
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I don't think some people in this thread understand how to read a parse from ACT.
Look at the far column under Effectiveness. That shows us their GF was using his block and other skills to mitigate the damage. Most of those attacks are between 5% and 20% effectiveness. Sounds about right?
Now move over one column. Those attacks are doing 1 to 3 MILLION points of damage. They're being mitigated down to 10 of thousands or hundreds of thousands of points of damage. That can't possible be right. And most of those were non-flanking, non-critical hits.
And look at one of those attacks by the Cleric in the Competing Adventuring Party...his Sun Burst attack did a base damage of 875k!!! That's an untelegraphed, no red instant AOE attack...for almost 1 million points of damage.
So what some of Abaddon's detractors are saying is that people are meant to some how dodge or avoid that?
Those damage numbers have to be off by a factor of 10 or more.
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mamalion1234Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,415Arc User
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ok decrease damage but make monsters bosses smarter than now to need even a top pt to use a realy good tactic to beat it.
I freaking like gf - 4% effectiveness over 50k with shield. anyone else is just dead in one shot.
And on top of that all HR pve gear does not have deflect. none. 0. so only CW with shield and GF can survive something.
I freaking like gf - 4% effectiveness over 50k with shield. anyone else is just dead in one shot.
And on top of that all HR pve gear does not have deflect. none. 0. so only CW with shield and GF can survive something.
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ofc not lol, if they did, all creatures would need roar like draco, a ton of health and the ability to 1 shot kill, just to make the game even remotely challenging
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Any chance you can video a run of lvl 70 CC and lvl 70 ToS to show us how easy they are please using the current client build , it shouldn't be a big issue , in another thread you made out you ran lvl 70 ToS with ease.
I've done like ten days ago, and no I don't record everything. Why would I do that?
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so that when you go on the forum boasting about how easy everything is and how bad other players are you have something to back your words up with , the OP clearly explained the reason he got stuck in red but you post like they did it intentionally like he doesn't know what he is doing , all I asked is if you reckon it is actually easy to take hits like his act log shows because they are reasonable then please run CC and record so we mere mortals can see what we are doing so wrong.
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i thought the concern was the adds one shot poeple?boss should hit hard is a boss.
I still need to download 14,4 GB, did you got the imperial version? cause i did, wonder if the mount is fast xD
This is not a question of gearing up or ltp. 80% of the players will have worse stats with lvl 70 gear, than my CW has now.
the boss should hit hard. 3 million damage hard before block is not hard that is just dead. GFs should be able to withstand nearly everything through block except perhaps 1 special attack a boss might have. as it is, any of traven's abilities have the potential to kill through block. That fire bomb was going off about every 15-20 seconds
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Using that reasoning you can justify any damage. Say they boost Traven Blackdagger up to 3 Billion damage per attack. If someone claims that is unreasonable the reply "he's a boss he should hit hard" would still be true. But at some point the boss damage does cross the line from "he's a boss he should hit hard" into "ok, that's just plain unreasonable" territory.
The real question is how hard is too hard? A boss having an attack that kills a GF at max HP even though they have their shield up is, in my opinion, too hard. Attacks that do 10 times my max HP that have no warning, no red areas, and cannot be dodged are, in my opinion, too hard. Even if there were no adds in this entire fight I don't see any way for us to have survived his Drunken Rage. And I don't think not dousing the flames and just standing in the fire to fight him is a realistic option either.
These dungeons are fun.. really challenging.
Yeah i got imperial version, found the horse decent but it doesnt have the same speed increase the mounts in nwn do, not sure if you can get faster mounts later on:)
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epic lol is easy and we saw it yesterday when cw still able to avoid scorpion attack .my upload sucks otherwise a video show the real truth.
and we need as much 70 players we can 5 poeple testing because for the a or b reason had the time to make to 70 dont mean much. i know players dont have time to spend leveling in a test server who are really good players.take feedback from 5 players only is not accurate.
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no means the attack is no so fast so the human hand can block can sprint and dodge.
Not true. all dodges can dodge within the area of attack and not take damage because they get immunity frames. with sprint you must be completely outside the area that will be hit in that attack or you will still get hit.
For example, when a dragon does his big red wing attack a CW, or any dodging class can do a single dodge inside the red area at the correct time and avoid all the damage. a GWF though has to sprint all the way outside this to not take damage.
Being able to dodge an attack doesn't mean it is easily avoidable because the immunity frames last for so long. and in the case of many of the new bosses their attack animations have been sped up enough so that while a dodging class might have time to dodge a sprint class can't sprint out of the area being effected in time to not get one shot
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I don't think some people in this thread understand how to read a parse from ACT.
Look at the far column under Effectiveness. That shows us their GF was using his block and other skills to mitigate the damage. Most of those attacks are between 5% and 20% effectiveness. Sounds about right?
Now move over one column. Those attacks are doing 1 to 3 MILLION points of damage. They're being mitigated down to 10 of thousands or hundreds of thousands of points of damage. That can't possible be right. And most of those were non-flanking, non-critical hits.
And look at one of those attacks by the Cleric in the Competing Adventuring Party...his Sun Burst attack did a base damage of 875k!!! That's an untelegraphed, no red instant AOE attack...for almost 1 million points of damage.
So what some of Abaddon's detractors are saying is that people are meant to some how dodge or avoid that?
Those damage numbers have to be off by a factor of 10 or more.
do i see a circle jerk here
WTB Class Reroll please
i just want the meaning of the pt i bored to able to solo even with 10k characters dungeons.
And on top of that all HR pve gear does not have deflect. none. 0. so only CW with shield and GF can survive something.
Soulforged is going to be popular again, just because it provides the second life
WTB Class Reroll please