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Dragon Hoard Enchantment ICD changed?

candinho2candinho2 Member Posts: 550 Arc User
edited December 2014 in General Discussion (PC)
So dragon hoard enchant got nerfed, now it's has a 3 min icd!
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  • candinho2candinho2 Member Posts: 550 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    10X more than original icd of 30 secs
  • loboguildloboguild Member Posts: 2,371 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Well, 6x more.

    It sucks still. As I've said in the other thread, I hope this is a process that will see further changes to the RP/Refinement system.
    So far they've stopped gold seller botting with BtA and personal botting with the new ICD. That doesn't mean there aren't plans to generally make RP more available in other areas.

    That said, I'm pessimistic.
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  • vasdamasvasdamas Member Posts: 2,461 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    omg we asked them to lower it and smoothen the grind.

    Now it will take YEARS to refine all you have.
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  • frishterfrishter Member Posts: 3,522 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I really really hope it's a bug or I've wasted so much time and AD into making my greaters =/
  • katamaster81899katamaster81899 Member Posts: 1,157 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Yeah, this was a BIG mistake. Honestly, given that I now have 4 new pieces of artifact equipment to feed on 3 characters, how the **** am I supposed to this? I don't mind grinding, but now you've taken away the ability to do it. Honestly, if I didn't know how strict NW is with its bot policies, I'd be buying from them right now...
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  • koalazebra1koalazebra1 Member Posts: 1,173 Bounty Hunter
    edited November 2014
    i guess the prices will inflate more than I expected.
  • zvieriszvieris Member Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    candinho2 wrote: »
    So dragon hoard enchant got nerfed, now it's has a 3 min icd!

    What the hell? Is this for real? I thought the producer dude forwarded our feedback about bound RP items and devs were supposed to smoothen things up. But... Wtf is this? A spit in the face?
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  • zvieriszvieris Member Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    tousseau wrote: »
    Agreed, though the only reason I can think of why they would do this would be due the the extra utility slots from artifact equipment.
    The enchants have global cooldown. Once you drop all your enchants go on cooldown. What's the point in having a ton of them equipped if you're gonna drop only 1 item each 3 minutes anyways?
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  • lewstelamon01lewstelamon01 Member Posts: 7,415 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    tousseau wrote: »
    Sounds good, I guess. But the Panderus theoretically brought our concerns to the devs regarding this whole BtA deal... It doesn't seem to have done us much good. We still got the BtA nonsense, and now we get this... Yup, the devs realy are worried about our concerns.

    Simply because Panderus brought it up doesn't mean that the devs had time to figure something else out or work it into the rest of their schedule. That a dev says they'll bring it up also doesn't necessarily mean that changes will be made. Their rational seems to be "we did this for the greater good" and in all honesty, it was overkill. Changing the drops to BTA would have been sufficient. This is just a double whammy that is hard even for the uber casuals to swallow.
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  • zvieriszvieris Member Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Trying to test the in foundry if it indeed was nerfed so hard but it's near impossible with like 3000ms latency in the foundry. What's that about btw?
  • piejalpiejal Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 403 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Well if this is true
    it's change from mission impossible to mission freaking insane lol
  • fdsakhfduewhfiuffdsakhfduewhfiuf Member Posts: 604 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    candinho2 wrote: »
    So dragon hoard enchant got nerfed, now it's has a 3 min icd!

    What statistical data do you have to proof your claim? I haven't seen any proof of any cooldown yet.

    Yesterday, after the patch my dragon hoard enchants dropped two enchants with less than about 20 seconds between them. The toon is wearing four of them.
  • fdsakhfduewhfiuffdsakhfduewhfiuf Member Posts: 604 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    lewstelamon01 wrote: »
    Changing the drops to BTA would have been sufficient. This is just a double whammy that is hard even for the uber casuals to swallow.

    You just believe what people are saying about the cooldown without any proof? Maybe you as a moderator know more than the players do but I don't believe anything unless there is hard evidence.

    One of my toon wears four dragon hoard enchants and yesterday after the patch they dropped two items with less than maybe 20 seconds in between.
  • hexanna22hexanna22 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 204 Bounty Hunter
    edited November 2014
    My thread I started about this got merged into and buried in another thread. I used to get 2-3 drops min, now I get 2-3 drops in 10 mins. Have tried foundries, and killing mobs in All high end areas, running 12%.

    Was thinking that maybe some accounts are flagged and experiencing the nerf..but a moderator on the other thread also reported 2-3 drops in 10 mins on different tests.
  • wixxgs1chtwixxgs1cht Member Posts: 430 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I have no words for this.
  • ryugasiriusryugasirius Member Posts: 996 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    zvieris wrote: »
    The enchants have global cooldown. Once you drop all your enchants go on cooldown. What's the point in having a ton of them equipped if you're gonna drop only 1 item each 3 minutes anyways?

    Really? :| This is a terrible thing... :/
  • thecorpserthecorpser Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I've had 4-5 drops within 10 minutes. I've had drops within 30 seconds of each other. I doubt there was a change to anything, besides maybe RNG.
  • zvieriszvieris Member Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I've tested farming in foundry. Ofc, the lag in foundry is unbearable atm so the values should be a bit higher, but nevertheless, after farming for 6 hours (!) I got ~70 drops (!). That's roughly 5-6 times less than before this ninja patch.
  • zvieriszvieris Member Posts: 1,261 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    thecorpser wrote: »
    I've had 4-5 drops within 10 minutes. I've had drops within 30 seconds of each other. I doubt there was a change to anything, besides maybe RNG.

    It's possible that the hoard enchants use universal clock similarly how Tenebrous enchant does. Which would explain the rare occurrence of drops one after another in seemingly short time frame. That means that cooldown resets on every 3rd minute in the hour. So if you happen to drop the first item just before the reset then it's possible to obtain another one quickly after.
  • iambecks1iambecks1 Member Posts: 4,044 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I hadn't noticed much difference myself but if they have given them a longer ICD then I don't know what to say ,it is almost as if they are now doing things specifically to try to get people to stop playing , when I log on later I'll spend a bit of time just killing mobs and time how long between drops with my phones stopwatch.
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  • shadevpshadevp Member Posts: 234 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Also noticed it yesterday when casually playing through my Well dailies.
    Decided to check this with a 'clean' test in Foundry: the result is that the farm enchantments (can say sure only about Hoard and Fey (do not have Tymora): 6% total chance for Hoard and 2% for Fey - actually was no great difference as lots of mobs were being killed almost at once) have the ICD of exactly 2 min: tested it with a stop watch for several cycles.

    Thus, either it is a bug (I do hope it is) or the last and clear sign from the Game managers that it is time to leave.
  • blacksladdiblacksladdi Member Posts: 359 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    okay i was fine with the drops being BoA, barely. Even though i argued like i was behind it 100%... but increasing the internal cool-down that is just beyond r
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    I really hope the next step is you are reducing the amount of RP needed by all artifacts by 10x to match this nerf otherwise people and mainly causual who don't spend hundreds a month will struggle to get their new artifact offhand / cloak (and belt / main if they don't have it) to epic before mod 6 and the new artifact gear.
  • bigbird191bigbird191 Member Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Something has definitely changed for me and my account. I used to get maybe 1 r.p item per minute or 2 at a push. Now taking around 5 minutes per item. Other people in my guild have confirmed similar, hopefully this is just a bug rather than an intended change.
  • kattefjaeskattefjaes Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 2,270 Bounty Hunter
    edited November 2014
    Has anyone considered that this might have been an attempt at a stealth buff that went horribly wrong? There's plenty of history here, where "buffs" turned out to be nerfs and vice versa? Heck, there have been a lot of broken mechanics where things that were supposed to increase damage actually reduced it* and vice versa too.

    It's quite possible that this was a miserable failure to apply an RP supply buff, to balance out the ability to still refine things, now that the refining stone supply has been choked so hard. Consider Hanlon's Razor:
    Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

    Let's hope that this wild theory is right, and Akro or Panderus will pop up and say "sorry guys, our mistake", prior to a patch to fix it.


    * See the current state of Divine Glow, which actually seems to reduce damage done in divine mode right now.
  • vanittivanitti Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    My guess its summat they need to fix, did 2 test 2% and 8% Hoards
    2% dropped 40 items in an hour on foundry imp farm = 90 seconds per drop
    8% dropped 28 items in an hour on the same foundry farm = 130 seconds per drop

    woops
    P.S. previous 8% drop rate was 37 seconds per drop
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