The higher the gearscore of your party, the less tanking is required and the lower is your chance as a GF to get a slot in the party, because the stronger parties control and dps everything down very fast. The proposed Reckless Attacker feat that is at the preview server makes this situation even worse, and this is why:
Since the mobs die fast and painless in stronger parties, you will take less damage and thus the new reckless attacker feat would proc less. Sometimes not a single mob of a pack gets the opportunity to attack at all, so the new reckless attacker wouldn't give you a single stack. This means that parties of higher gearscore that already are not interested in bringing tanking abilities to the party now have even less interest in taking a GF since your dps is lower when running with them.
With the reckless attacker feat of the live server the situation is vice versa - You still have a low chance to get invited to stronger parties but at least you deal more damage in these parties since your guard meter doesn't deplete as much with them. And that means your chance to get invited by a stronger party is a little less low.
If we don't switch to the stamina-guard we can keep our old reckless attacker feat which synergizes well with stronger parties. That makes us more desirable for these stronger parties, and increases our chance to get an invite from them. Stop the stamina-guard!
I agree with you, most parties are all about DPS, Cc comes in second when DPS can control the mob. I have said it before its a true statement for any MMO "he who does the most damage controls the mob".
Right now on live, threat and improved threat are destructive taunts, they deal damage, which is easily over ridden by the insane damages GWF's, Nukers and rangers can dish out. In other games the taunts were not damage based, meaning they did not damage the mobs, but had a higher pull then physical damage did, sounds confusing doesn't it. In those other games their taunt was like our tab>mark, it caused no damage but pulled the mob to you.
If the taunts or threats in this game were changed to utilize the tab>mark mechanics but stronger, so its power would be higher then the damages other classes can generate that would fix the problem, without over powering the GF.
I think this is what the devs/crush is trying to do, but no disrespect to the devs/crush your making it so complicated I cannot understand what your trying to do.
The fact that ET now is capped at 20 we will get the most aggro and sustain from it compared to a cw who does more dps since singularity only does 8 which is what our current ET is on live. If you are worried about threat in mod 4 please know that ET having a higher mob count also means more dps for us in pve which means alot more threat than what we can generate. ET will become the number one encounter in pve hands down for large groups of mobs.
I swear our glowing finger power will save us in pve!
mfg, not quite sure I am understanding you, so correct me if I am wrong here guy. The number of mobs you can pull isn't the same as the amount of power you exert upon them to hold them on you. Its like currently on live and most every other game, you hit a target for 20k damage and someone hits it for 25k damage the mob is going to mitigate towards the higher damage. This is the problem every mmo has faced with Cc toons. The power to pull or hold the mob onto you has to be higher than the damages other players can generate, or else the mob moves. Well if you increase the damage based Cc against a mob you create an unfairly over powered toon. So the power to pull the mobs has to be non damaging to the mobs or else a DC with a high damaging Cc could out damage a DD toon. With me so far?
Currently our threats are damage based, meaning they exert xx# of points damage against a mob to pull it toward you, well a DD smacks the mob for twice the amount of damage your threat did, the mob goes to him.
Our threats need to be non damage based, and that value set to be first selected by the mob, instead of pure damage based Cc. A group of 4 archers because of their high burst damage can go into an epic and space themselves apart then time their ranged attacks correctly so that the boss is constantly pulled from one archer to the other, this allows the group to control the boss and allows none of the archers to sustain massive damage from the boss, since it is being pulled from one archer to the other then the other so forth and so forth, til the boss is dead (that's Old school before Cc was even installed into any games).
Hey all, we have a few more changes hopefully hitting this week.
Unstoppable: Now grants 15~30% DR when activated (up from 10~20%).
Sprint: Stamina cost of Sprint reduced by roughly 40%.
Thank you all for your continued feedback!
Chris "Gentleman Crush" Meyer
see even in mod 4 no dd for us gwf senti again takes our place
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nwnghostMember, Moderators, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited July 2014
Feature: Guarded Assault
This Feature remains extremely lacklustre andcould use a rework or increase in reflected damage, or be calculated based on pre-modified damage
I will post this again, the protector tree needs MORE love.
A protector GF sacrifices all his damage to get high survivability and to protect his teammates. I think that the ideas behind the feats are good, the problem is that the feats are not strong enough and need to be buffed.
Suggestions:
Armor of bahamut: I really like the change to this feat, but I think it's too strong for a T1 feat and needs to be moved deeper in the protector tree.
Shield defense: Gain 2/4/6/8/10 to AC.
Shieldmaster: Guard now drains stamina 4/8/12/16/20% more slowly.
Brawling Warrior: Knight's valor increases you damage resistance by 2/4/6/8/10% and enforced threat deals an additional 5/10/15/20/25% more damage and threat.
Balanced shield fighter: your shield slam and stab at wills deals 4/8/12/16/20% more damage.
Overwhelming impact: supremacy of steel and terrifying impact now temporarily reduce damage resistance by 1/2/3/4/5% and damage dealt by 1/2/3/4/5% on affected targets.
Iron guard: Each time you deal damage to a target, you reduce its damage by 4%. Maximum 20% damage reduction.
If a Destoyer GWF is getting more immunities and damage mitigation , then its time that Swordmaster GF does the equivalent DPS to a Destroyer! Its ridiculous a DPS class is given that many free tools whilst we GFs struggle to get any...
If DPS can Tank then Tank should be allowed to DPS!
Shieldbash60 GF ~ Iron Vanguard19.0k Overpowered60 CW~ Thaumaturge14.5k ==========================================
~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
If balance is the goal, we are not there yet, not even close. The 'buff' to RA is questionable, and the other trees got nothing.
Feedback One reason there is not balance is that there is a huge disparity between unstoppable and shield. One part of disparity is that while a GWF is unstoppable, they generally do more damage, or are building stacks to do more damage. If it was hairy before they went unstoppable, they get a heal, temp hitpoints, and can even pop a potion if they really needed too. And, they have good damage, so they can lifesteal and regen up while they are portected. And unstoppable makes them immune to CC. The CC immune and the damage reduction is from ALL sides.
A GF can't do any of that. When our shield is up, we can't do encounters/dailies. We can't drink a pot. We used enforced threat before our shield went up, so we are getting hit from all sides. In pvp we can be CC'd from behind or from chill. All we can do is agg strike or get back some shield with our at-wills. This is why conq was so good comparitively, because we were trained not to use our shield. Shield up =damage and agro gone, and if your are conq, even more so.
If you are going for balance, pvp and/or pve, you haven't gotten there yet. Yes, you have buffed the GF and made him a bit better. Extra hp, arguably a better shield, arguably a buff to RA, better mark, better agro. But its nowhere near where you need to go for balance.
Don't nerf unstoppable more. I am against nerfs to balance. Bring us up to the same level, so both are fun, and both are viable/equal. That means Conq needs much more damage. That means tact/prot need love.
For tact/prot, i think one step would be to modify the capstones, to help the group. Tact/Prot's only purpose is to aid groups, so make it so? Make the Tact capstone add a small amount of AP to the whole party for getting hit, kind of like battle fury. Modify prot's capstone to reduce the mob's damage resistance for hitting the GF, not its damage output.
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elveMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 336
edited July 2014
Here's an idea on how to equalize the shield with unstoppable - apply the old RA buff as a constant mechanic with the shield. The shield would be full much less than before and it will bring the DPS up with more than enough to compete with the GWF when it comes to damage.
I think the biggest thing from the new reckless isn't the damage bonus, that is pretty clearly going to outweight the old one. In PVE you are to generate WAY more threat than you used to. You are going to get hit a LOT more, and in higher end PVE if you aren't blocking you going to be low hp a LOT granted that gives you more AP if you spec'd it and more Regen if you have it.
But I think if you guys run some PVE in the new mod you'll notice how often EVERYTHING is on you, so being able to block is big.
The best part about the new capstone IMO
10% crit chance!!!!
This opens new avenues that we have never had. A lot of you who don't use vorpal, normal, greater or even perfect probably haven't seen what numbers we can hit when we do crit. 22-24% is about all we can get MAX as a GF. You can use timeless and some tenacity gear to make that go up especially your at wills, they hit freaking hard with crits, but the idea of GF's being based around crit has never really worked that well and now it can.
For instance in PVE, your frontlines, or your Villains will crit a LOT of monsters hard. Enforced Threat can now hit 20 targets. so in a big boss fight, you are getting over 30% chance to crit on 20 different targets! I think this is going to add a LOT more damage than people realize.
I know new rogues are not running the shocking path so the 5% crit chance isn't as often
But - lets say you are a big time PVE'r and you do have a rogue with you granted the speed runs don't usually bring one anymore. We are now talking mid to upper 30's % chance to crit, that is freaking unreal as a GF. Knight's Challenge is SICK on boss fights, so is Anvil as well. Imagine Knight's + Anvile with a mid to upper 30's chance to crit? I mean seriously?!
Again - lets see what Crush is doing as he has been really quiet lately.
I am really mystified with the actions the devs are forcing us to go, each class has several options available to the players who want to play that class. Offensive versus defensive, each class has that choice with their weapon and armor stats. Not us, we are being forced into a cookie cutter defense based role, that's what these new changes are focused upon, we are to sit and wait to be acted upon (taking damage) before we can react or give damage.
The weapon stats prove this out and the armor stats prove this out, we are supposed to stand and act like a sponge, just stand there and soak up the damage and hit like we are equipped with a wet noodle. Guys all games in this day and age are about DPS, everyone wants to deal massive loads of it, brag about it so forth and so on. DPS was the first form of Cc and it still holds true in just about every game, he who does the most damage controls the mob.
Look at our weapon stats, I took our highest T2.5 weapon, "Fomorian fabled and compared it to the GWF and a DC" take a look:
A dang DC (a healer) has a better offensive weapon then we do, a dc should have our weapon and we should have theirs:
+137-167 damage
+608 power
+289 Crit
Recovery even
+133 A/P
-289 def
-289 deflect
-133 regen
Set bonus: +450 power
Changing just our weapon would help out not only the Pve guys but also and perhaps more so the PvP guys.
Unless I have been mislead Crush has stated he is not going to raise our weapon stats, so we are stuck with a limp noodle for a weapon, one more based on defense than offense. Under the current builds, skills and stats look at how much more effective in offense we would be with the dc's weapon stats. Plus this does not take into account their offhand.
In the beginning of MMO's each class had a distinct role to play in groups:
The controller ( pull the mob and hold it)
The kiter (Kite the adds away and kill them)
The healer (self explanatory)
The nuker (Kill everything the controller held)
That changed over the course of years because everyone wanted DPS, so DPS became the king. DPS controls the mobs, that's why in all other games the player that does the most damage controls the mob.
I'm sorry but I just do not feel the path Crush is forcing us to go is the correct one. Not when simple buffs and stat changes could be implemented "FIRST". You do not totally rebuild something when a simple repair would take care of it, that's like replacing the tire on your car when all it needs is some air.
Our weapons every set is defense stat'd.
Our armors every set but 1 is defense stat'd and the stats on that one set are not that good.
I just cannot help but feel these changes he is implementing is because of some future class that's going to be brought in later, similar to the nerfs CW's are taking to herald in the new warlock class.
And why can't the current Reckless Attacker feat that runs at the live server just get additional crit chance without completely overhauling it? Oh, that's right, it 'cannot', because changing it was an inescapable consequence with the introduction of the questionable idea of this stamina-guard!
This PvP focused section of playerbase that pushes for the proposed Reckless Attacker feat (the one that works with 'stacks) keeps awefully quite about the option to just improve existing things. And the reason they fight the option to just improve things tooth and nail is that that they want the stamina-guard.
The PvP focused section however is a minority, it is focused on a minority of the game (PvE is what Neverwinter primarily is!). They don't want to improve ('making something that already exists better') GFs, but instead making us something else by overhauling and twisting the class to make it fit to their desires more than one year after the game has gone live. They don't care about the negative backlash their proposed deep reaching changes have for other pillars of how our class works, and they tolerate the new bugs (from which only some are known) that inevitably come along with these deep changes.
They seem to be ok with any scale of hazardous fallout, and as much as I have respect for PvP focuses players - that is too much! Keep the old guard/block mechanic and the old Reckless Attacker feat, just buff the guard/block and maybe the Reckless Attacker feat. (I'd love to stand up for fellow tacticians and protectors and discuss improvements for them, since they need it more than us conquerors, but what I wrote here about has priority.)
And why can't the current Reckless Attacker feat that runs at the live server just get additional crit chance without completely overhauling it? Oh, that's right, it 'cannot', because changing it was an inescapable consequence with the introduction of the questionable idea of this stamina-guard!
This PvP focused section of playerbase that pushes for the proposed Reckless Attacker feat (the one that works with 'stacks) keeps awefully quite about the option to just improve existing things. And the reason they fight the option to just improve things tooth and nail is that that they want the stamina-guard.
The PvP focused section however is a minority, it is focused on a minority of the game (PvE is what Neverwinter primarily is!). They don't want to improve ('making something that already exists better') GFs, but instead making us something else by overhauling and twisting the class to make it fit to their desires more than one year after the game has gone live. They don't care about the negative backlash their proposed deep reaching changes have for other pillars of how our class works, and they tolerate the new bugs (from which only some are known) that inevitably come along with these deep changes.
They seem to be ok with any scale of hazardous fallout, and as much as I have respect for PvP focuses players - that is too much! Keep the old guard/block mechanic and the old Reckless Attacker feat, just buff the guard/block and maybe the Reckless Attacker feat. (I'd love to stand up for fellow tacticians and protectors and discuss improvements for them, since they need it more than us conquerors, but what I wrote here about has priority.)
The PVP people are not quiet about putting 10% crit chance on the current reckless.Block on live currently blows. One plague fire can take your block out in seconds. It is delayed, even when feated and with profound gear takes what? 11 hits and it is gone? In PVE against a big boss fight with adds it is gone in a matter of seconds. Do none of you PVE GF's use Supremacy of Steel and Knight's Valor? Do you guys realize that this new block function makes that work perfectly. Basically you are reducing 50% of incoming damage to your team HALF the time. All else aside, that is AMAZING. A healer could keep up with healing you if that was the case, and the other three could tra la la la la whatever they want. Not to mention you putting plague on anything that hits you or your teammates, or lightning, or bile, or whatever you'd like.
The current block + capstone SUCKS! PVE - sure you can get away without blocking, but not in those hectic fights where you pretend to be the tank, in PVP you cannnnnnot get away without blocking all the time, against Cw's you have to block, TR's you have to block or be eaten alive granted they haven't went perma, GWF's you have to block or again, they murder you, so you are allllllways losing that capstone, Clerics are really the only class you don't have to block against in pvp.
PVE - take Draco fight, if you are kiting the adds around you have to hold up block, if you are running them in a circle sure, less than you would, but you also wouldn't be attacking, if you are on the draco, you HAVE to block or get crushed. If you can't dodge a hand you have to block it or it is near death. Just beacuse we pvp doesn't mean we don't or haven't PVE'd. We got all our T2 sets just like you guys, we had to PVE for boons, artifacts and such, we aren't clueless lol.
The current block decreases power is a joke. The idea that you can block AND deal damage is amazing. Sure, if they added 10% crit all the time to the current capstone and removed the 100% depending on your guard/stamina meter, then yeah I would love it. But he is NOT going to do that, it is just too overpowered and there is not enough risk and not skill involved in building up your capstone.
This simple solutions is to buff the new block and new RA, so there is no questions if it is better. Its not like the current one on preview is OP by any stretch of the imagination.
Crush... we are all eagerly awaiting your next update...
I am really mystified with the actions the devs are forcing us to go, each class has several options available to the players who want to play that class. Offensive versus defensive, each class has that choice with their weapon and armor stats. Not us, we are being forced into a cookie cutter defense based role, that's what these new changes are focused upon, we are to sit and wait to be acted upon (taking damage) before we can react or give damage.
The weapon stats prove this out and the armor stats prove this out, we are supposed to stand and act like a sponge, just stand there and soak up the damage and hit like we are equipped with a wet noodle. Guys all games in this day and age are about DPS, everyone wants to deal massive loads of it, brag about it so forth and so on. DPS was the first form of Cc and it still holds true in just about every game, he who does the most damage controls the mob.
Look at our weapon stats, I took our highest T2.5 weapon, "Fomorian fabled and compared it to the GWF and a DC" take a look:
A dang DC (a healer) has a better offensive weapon then we do, a dc should have our weapon and we should have theirs:
+137-167 damage
+608 power
+289 Crit
Recovery even
+133 A/P
-289 def
-289 deflect
-133 regen
Set bonus: +450 power
Changing just our weapon would help out not only the Pve guys but also and perhaps more so the PvP guys.
Unless I have been mislead Crush has stated he is not going to raise our weapon stats, so we are stuck with a limp noodle for a weapon, one more based on defense than offense. Under the current builds, skills and stats look at how much more effective in offense we would be with the dc's weapon stats. Plus this does not take into account their offhand.
In the beginning of MMO's each class had a distinct role to play in groups:
The controller ( pull the mob and hold it)
The kiter (Kite the adds away and kill them)
The healer (self explanatory)
The nuker (Kill everything the controller held)
That changed over the course of years because everyone wanted DPS, so DPS became the king. DPS controls the mobs, that's why in all other games the player that does the most damage controls the mob.
I'm sorry but I just do not feel the path Crush is forcing us to go is the correct one. Not when simple buffs and stat changes could be implemented "FIRST". You do not totally rebuild something when a simple repair would take care of it, that's like replacing the tire on your car when all it needs is some air.
Our weapons every set is defense stat'd.
Our armors every set but 1 is defense stat'd and the stats on that one set are not that good.
I just cannot help but feel these changes he is implementing is because of some future class that's going to be brought in later, similar to the nerfs CW's are taking to herald in the new warlock class.
Add to that, all Enchants are based off Weapon Damage! we are screwed still...
Shieldbash60 GF ~ Iron Vanguard19.0k Overpowered60 CW~ Thaumaturge14.5k ==========================================
~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
Here is something else for all you guys to think about>>>> Money.
When the new ranger paragon was brought out there were no re-specs issued, even though it was a completely new paragon path. Those players had to suck it up and re roll a new toon, or if their base stats were ok buying a re-spec. Re-equipping a new toon gets expensive, armors, enchants, artifacts etc.
So we are looking at that, plus if you built your toon specifically for the conq tree and set his base stats for it, High str, mid con and mid dex, now this new change is going to favor dex, so ohh well that means a new toon since you cannot change your base stats.
Not only that since this new rebuild highlights, crit, ouch those of us with PF, or terrors will now have to sell and buy a vorpal, (already the most expensive enchant on the market, which because of this change will skyrocket in price like the gear for the rangers did after that change)......
The PVP people are not quiet about putting 10% crit chance on the current reckless.
Assuming with 'current' you mean the one that is currently at the preview server - yeah we hear you (too well).
If you mean the Reckless attacker feat as it is at the live server, then it would mean also that you are against the stamina-guard, because the two are conntected. And this is why: Gentlemancrush wrote explicitly that the proposed change of the Reckless Attacker feat was a consequence of the stamina-guard, here is the quote:
Yes, block on live currently is not good enough. And the easiest way to fix this is to improve it, NOT change it. Several ways to improve it have already been mentioned in this thread. The reaction to them by the proponents of the stamina-guard? - Silence. Also, if you dislike it that much, why do you want to play a GF? Do you even still play GF actively? I think ayroux said he didn't play GF the last three months. This looks to me like you don't love the class, but that you want to twist the class into something you guys want.
Do none of you PVE GF's use Supremacy of Steel and Knight's Valor?
Experienced PvE players have already pointed out at several occasions that Supremacy of Steel has limited use, especially in strong parties which don't take much damage at all since they simply control and dps everything down in seconds before the mobs can act in any relevant way. And it is exactly these parties that we GFs need improvements for to get invited by them.
In powerfull parties that control and dps everything down in seconds tanking isn't needed. What else is then left to justifiy taking a GF for them? - The dps, control and party affecting buffs a GF provides is left. Since the GF won't have to block much anyway, his guard meter will be pretty full and thus he deals more dps with the conq. capstone feat that is at the live server, and that means a higher chance to get invited. In the weaker parties on the other hand, the GF will block quite some amounts of attacks, but these kind of parties are fine with the GF not dealing that much damage, since they have a significant need for a 'tank'.
With the capstone feat the proponents of the stamina-guard want, you will deal less damage in strong parties and thus the chance to get invited in these parties is even lower, since building 'stacks' won't happen if the mobs are busy with experiencing their dead bodies falling slowly and peacefully like snowflakes out of an arcane singularity. In weak parties you would have no problem holding the 'stacks' most of the time, and thus deal more damage. But there there already is enough incentive to invite a GF among these kind of parties, since they need tanking.
Regarding the proposed Reckless Attacker feat at the preview server, I don't call that synergy.
PVE - take Draco fight, if you are kiting the adds around you have to hold up block, if you are running them in a circle sure, less than you would, but you also wouldn't be attacking, if you are on the draco, you HAVE to block or get crushed.
Yes, the Dracolich fight at the live server is very difficult for a GF trying to mainly tank, but rare fights like these in the game don't necessarily call for twisting our class to better the situation. Improving guard/block as it as at the live server (NOT changing HOW it works! IMPROVING it!), reducing casting times like the one of fighter's recovery or improving our damage reduction in general are just a few available solutions to this. Blocking shouldn't be the only tool we have to deal with adds that want our head. It brings fun to choose from different options, to choose carefully when to block and to deal with the time span when your guard is broken by evading, using fighter's recovery, artifacts that make you immune to damage and other possibilities. And finally: The Dracolich fight takes place in Castle Never - Castle Never, not the cloak tower.
The idea that you can block AND deal damage is amazing.
I'd be carefull what you are wishing here for, becuase that increases our similarity with the GWF who can attack and use unstoppable at the same time. The paragon path swapping already was bad enough. Let's stay a distinct class with distinct characteristcs. If the two classes become too similar, what's the point in having two of them? Side issue: In a quite lmited way you already can block and deal damage at the same time at the live server. It is called 'aggravating strike' and 'shield slam'.
Sure, if they added 10% crit all the time to the current capstone and removed the 100% depending on your guard/stamina meter, then yeah I would love it. But he is NOT going to do that, it is just too overpowered ...
You can improve the Reckless Attacker feat at the live server without making it overpowered. Leave it as it is, but make it provide additionaly +3% crit. (But I am realy uncomfortable with throwing numbers around me here, I am open to reduce or incresase that).
Also what Gentlemancrush is going to do is unknown to us. But when I look at this Thread I see it has already 66 pages (much more than the other official class feedback threads), major disagreements and nearly conflicts, and that despite our class beeing supposed to get buffs and despite there are fewer GF players than players of other classes. The proposed changes go against a majority that favors a buffed old guard/block mechanic over any stamina-guard, and already there are players saying these deep reaching changes will breake the neck of the GF class, and have announced they will quit if this goes live, even in this thread.
It is therefore very well in Gentlemencrush's interest to scrap these proposed changes, especially the stamina-guard!
Also what Gentlemancrush is going to do is unknown to us. But when I look at this Thread I see it has already 66 pages (much more than the other official class feedback threads), major disagreements and nearly conflicts, and that despite our class beeing supposed to get buffs and despite there are fewer GF players than players of other classes. The proposed changes go against a majority that favors a buffed old guard/block mechanic over any stamina-guard, and already there are players saying these deep reaching changes will breake the neck of the GF class, and have announced they will quit if this goes live, even in this thread.
It is therefore very well in Gentlemencrush's interest to scrap these proposed changes, especially the stamina-guard!
even though he already stated the new guard is here to stay so get used to it and lets work on improving it. because right now it can be mitigated and it should be fixed soon according to crush.
i say good let them quit, and to this i say all these people complaining probably have never actually been on the preview server and have never tested the new block mechanic out and are just qq'ing because of change. speaking of which a good player will adapt and find new ways to utilize these skills. old block blows on live and if you cant see how much better the stamina/guard is then your deluding yourself.
greater movement speed to position yourself, immune to cc(all cc) , increased survivability through movement, longer duration no more guard break on small hits VS slow sluggish movement, cc with guard up, no survivability from guard breaks, guard destroyed in seconds. sorry but i choose the new one over the HAMSTER we had before.
even though he already stated the new guard is here to stay so get used to it and lets work on improving it. because right now it can be mitigated and it should be fixed soon according to crush.
i say good let them quit, and to this i say all these people complaining probably have never actually been on the preview server and have never tested the new block mechanic out and are just qq'ing because of change. speaking of which a good player will adapt and find new ways to utilize these skills. old block blows on live and if you cant see how much better the stamina/guard is then your deluding yourself.
greater movement speed to position yourself, immune to cc(all cc) , increased survivability through movement, longer duration no more guard break on small hits VS slow sluggish movement, cc with guard up, no survivability from guard breaks, guard destroyed in seconds. sorry but i choose the new one over the HAMSTER we had before.
I agree i HATED the new block to start with but then after actually testing it many times against other players and mods i can say that It is already better even with he bugs. We can close gaps faster and kite better, cc immunity, shield lasts longer and more ways to recharge it.
Plus the changes like more crit and dmg with more hp I have to say I was not expecting this, the gf is actually a good class now.
I agree i HATED the new block to start with but then after actually testing it many times against other players and mods i can say that It is already better even with he bugs. We can close gaps faster and kite better, cc immunity, shield lasts longer and more ways to recharge it.
Plus the changes like more crit and dmg with more hp I have to say I was not expecting this, the gf is actually a good class now.
it will be even better once crush fixes the DR mechanic on it like he said he would literally making us imho a tank but since our guard is bugged and does not take into account our DR deflect and tenacity and cant be mitigated it is hurting us speaking of which hopefully we shall get some feedback from crush he has posted in the GWF forum he should come here and clarify some things for us.
also for everyone just reading they dont understand that the new RA capstone is bugged and only is giving us the first stack and not counting the other 4 but the crit one works fine and i even tested it but i refuse to play conqueror protector for life lol
So we are looking at that, plus if you built your toon specifically for the conq tree and set his base stats for it, High str, mid con and mid dex, now this new change is going to favor dex, so ohh well that means a new toon since you cannot change your base stats.
Not only that since this new rebuild highlights, crit, ouch those of us with PF, or terrors will now have to sell and buy a vorpal, (already the most expensive enchant on the market, which because of this change will skyrocket in price like the gear for the rangers did after that change)......
ummm why would it favor dex? dex does not give us anything except deflection and ArP and aoe resist so explain how dex is going to help us with vorpal. also 10% crit is no reason to go out and buy a brand new spanking perfect vorpal when you can do just fine with terror or plague considering the new buff to mark.
and no those prices sky rocketed because HR's can get insane amounts of crit just like TR's. so you had 2 classes that could use them to the best extent even cw's but your lucky if you can break 39-34% crit on a guardian without having to sacrafice another stat
From what I have found via testing. Our block is not where it is going to be.
Block
Block is capped at 80% DR. And since it is DR, things like thornward can reduce it zero, so I am holding my shield and taking full damage. So once that is fixed it will be a beast. I was able to keep near continuous block for 50 seconds of a minute, and that was max feated, max artifacts, max strength, max stamina gain via boons, so that could be good, but it should be increased because with that set up you aren't going to hurt anything. But like I said, currently it can be mitigated to nothing
Capstone
5% damage is rough testing right now, the crit is ok, but 20% damage increase will be a BIG noticeable difference.
Before anyone tests again
Lets let Crush fix the block, if it is meant to be mitigated, then I would then suggest a revert and leaving the capstone where it is. If our block can be mitigated, there are some classes that can reduce it zero, essentially making it useless.
im going to keep bumping this fact since the last 20 pages have flushed it out and we have yet to get a response on this other than something something about DR not being recognized yes thats a problem but this is also a big issue.
even though he already stated the new guard is here to stay so get used to it and lets work on improving it. because right now it can be mitigated and it should be fixed soon according to crush.
This is still at the preview server, and thus not final. The old guard/block mechanism and therefore a major part of what makes a GF a GF is lost when it's lost, and not a second sooner.
Be very carefull with the spirits that you summon, you might not be able to put them back into the bottle - A mmorpg needs players, and once they have left, it is unlikely that they will come back. By the way, it should make you really think twice that players react in this way when their class is supposedly to get 'buffed'.
... and to this i say all these people complaining probably have never actually been on the preview server and have never tested the new block mechanic out and are just qq'ing because of change.
I have been joining the preview server regularly, and I have also met good GF players there, for example lvl99looter aka Ant-Monster and others. They favor the old guard/block mechanism when I asked them: "If both, the current and the stamina guard get buffed so that they are at a level playing field, which one of the two do you favor?"
... speaking of which a good player will adapt and find new ways to utilize these skills.
Adaption is not the problem (except this: how do you 'adapt' the millions of AD that have gone into companions and similar stuff that were acquired to build their GFs around the class as it is at the live server?). The problem is if you have to adapt to something bad, and the bad sides of the stamina-guard have been pointed out to a great extend in this thread.
... greater movement speed to position yourself, immune to cc(all cc) , increased survivability through movement, longer duration no more guard break on small hits VS slow sluggish movement, cc with guard up, no survivability from guard breaks, guard destroyed in seconds. sorry but i choose the new one over the HAMSTER we had before.
Agreed, the current state of the GF at the live server is bad, but that can be fixed by improving our class rather than twisting it. Some seem not to see the option of simply improving the GF, and just compare the GF class as it is at the live server with what is at the preview server. There is more there than this narrow perspective. And it is better.
In Preview I tested some 1v1 2-3 hours ago with my 14.4K Protector GF (Lesser Plaguefire) with a 18.9K GWF (Destroyer), a 15K CW, a 15.4K HR and a TR (Idk his GS but he had perfects or at least greater), and I can say that in Mod 4: 1st HR (PvP God), 2nd TR, 3rd GF/CW, 4th GWF (Idk where to place DC and Warlocks, but I can guess DC being behind GWF in 1v1 and about Warlocks... some ppl said they will be even better than HR in PvP).
GWF (18.9K):
I died vs the GWF 2 times, but I could drop his HP down to 30~40% pretty easy with 3.4K Power and less than 1K in ArP/Crit, also the fight lasted like 2 min the first time and like 1 min the second one, they may have the same DPS, but they are being pretty squishy, I mean a lot!!!, they won't hold nodes, the only thing I see them doing is some Kamikaze attacks.
CW (15K):
This fight was the most balanced I had in preview, lasted like 2~3 min but she ran away to the campfire when I was about to kill her ¬¬, she controlled me a lot but she couldn't drop my HP below 40~50%, this shield system worked perfectly vs her, she even complained about the shield for being too OP.
HR (15.4K):
Well, what can I say here, he just treated my like garbage, maybe I could make a little more damage than in live because of the DR reduction (Leser GPF + Mark), but I died fast, couldn't drop his HP below 70%.
TR (with perfect/greater enchantments):
The 2nd most unbalanced fight I had (after the HR), but since I didn't knew his GS I don't wanna go on details.
In conclusion I feel better in PvP, also in PvE I tested my aggro with a Greater Lightning Enchantment and I can say that both, a 16K HR nor a 19K GWF, couldn't get the mob attention xD, I got so many aggro that I could hardly survive in IWD.
Still dont see why GFs have to be saddled with the shield break mechanic, should be able to block whenever and for however long you want. The idea that a GF has to worry about their shield breaking is frankly insulting considering no other class has to worry about their weapon breaking. The new conq capstone feat is kinda meh, its the fact that GFs still wont have any crit from ability score that is the problem. Shouldnt need some convoluted stacking buff mechanic for a GF to get any kind of decent cit rate.
There is a double stacking going on with reckless as I gain the reckless attacker buff for crit, yet the damage bonus must stack separately i have to actually stack one then the other they do not stack in tandem. This causes a flip back n forth of the buff and its hard to manage! Does not seem WAI?
Also the 20% damage bonus I'm confused as my damage only went up 500 power 3% Damage Bonus?
here in the first picture I have no bonuses
EDIT: I looked further and that second buff embarrassingly is Vangaurds Resolve boon, However i did not notice any damage increase from reckless other then the crit?
here in the second picture i have both bonuses yet only a 3% damage Bonus and 500 more power?
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There is a double stacking going on with reckless as I gain the reckless attacker buff for crit, yet the damage bonus must stack separately i have to actually stack one then the other they do not stack in tandem. This causes a flip back n forth of the buff and its hard to manage! Does not seem WAI?
Also the 20% damage bonus I'm confused as my damage only went up 500 power 3% Damage Bonus?
here in the first picture I have no bonuses
EDIT: I looked further and that second buff embarrassingly is Vangaurds Resolve boon, However i did not notice any damage increase from reckless other then the crit?
here in the second picture i have both bonuses yet only a 3% damage Bonus and 500 more power?
That means that the damage increase is either, not showing or not working.
The proposed changes go against a majority that favors a buffed old guard/block mechanic over any stamina-guard, ...
This is just an assumption. The majority of the players doesn't write in the forums. Thus we do not know anything.
I'd prefer a reversed stamina-based guard. That is, you can block as long as you want without draining any stamina. As soon as you lower your shield to do some decent damage your stamina gets instantly depleted and you cannot raise your shield again until the stamina is full again.
This is just an assumption. The majority of the players doesn't write in the forums. Thus we do not know anything.
I'd prefer a reversed stamina-based guard. That is, you can block as long as you want without draining any stamina. As soon as you lower your shield to do some decent damage your stamina gets instantly depleted and you cannot raise your shield again until the stamina is full again.
So this is just for standing still in pve ? if that was the new guard we would die in pvp against every char and in pve we would not be able to kite at all.
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I agree with you, most parties are all about DPS, Cc comes in second when DPS can control the mob. I have said it before its a true statement for any MMO "he who does the most damage controls the mob".
Right now on live, threat and improved threat are destructive taunts, they deal damage, which is easily over ridden by the insane damages GWF's, Nukers and rangers can dish out. In other games the taunts were not damage based, meaning they did not damage the mobs, but had a higher pull then physical damage did, sounds confusing doesn't it. In those other games their taunt was like our tab>mark, it caused no damage but pulled the mob to you.
If the taunts or threats in this game were changed to utilize the tab>mark mechanics but stronger, so its power would be higher then the damages other classes can generate that would fix the problem, without over powering the GF.
I think this is what the devs/crush is trying to do, but no disrespect to the devs/crush your making it so complicated I cannot understand what your trying to do.
mfg, not quite sure I am understanding you, so correct me if I am wrong here guy. The number of mobs you can pull isn't the same as the amount of power you exert upon them to hold them on you. Its like currently on live and most every other game, you hit a target for 20k damage and someone hits it for 25k damage the mob is going to mitigate towards the higher damage. This is the problem every mmo has faced with Cc toons. The power to pull or hold the mob onto you has to be higher than the damages other players can generate, or else the mob moves. Well if you increase the damage based Cc against a mob you create an unfairly over powered toon. So the power to pull the mobs has to be non damaging to the mobs or else a DC with a high damaging Cc could out damage a DD toon. With me so far?
Currently our threats are damage based, meaning they exert xx# of points damage against a mob to pull it toward you, well a DD smacks the mob for twice the amount of damage your threat did, the mob goes to him.
Our threats need to be non damage based, and that value set to be first selected by the mob, instead of pure damage based Cc. A group of 4 archers because of their high burst damage can go into an epic and space themselves apart then time their ranged attacks correctly so that the boss is constantly pulled from one archer to the other, this allows the group to control the boss and allows none of the archers to sustain massive damage from the boss, since it is being pulled from one archer to the other then the other so forth and so forth, til the boss is dead (that's Old school before Cc was even installed into any games).
Unstoppable: Now grants 15~30% DR when activated (up from 10~20%).
Sprint: Stamina cost of Sprint reduced by roughly 40%.
Thank you all for your continued feedback!
Chris "Gentleman Crush" Meyer
see even in mod 4 no dd for us gwf senti again takes our place
This Feature remains extremely lacklustre andcould use a rework or increase in reflected damage, or be calculated based on pre-modified damage
A protector GF sacrifices all his damage to get high survivability and to protect his teammates. I think that the ideas behind the feats are good, the problem is that the feats are not strong enough and need to be buffed.
Suggestions:
Armor of bahamut: I really like the change to this feat, but I think it's too strong for a T1 feat and needs to be moved deeper in the protector tree.
Shield defense: Gain 2/4/6/8/10 to AC.
Shieldmaster: Guard now drains stamina 4/8/12/16/20% more slowly.
Brawling Warrior: Knight's valor increases you damage resistance by 2/4/6/8/10% and enforced threat deals an additional 5/10/15/20/25% more damage and threat.
Balanced shield fighter: your shield slam and stab at wills deals 4/8/12/16/20% more damage.
Overwhelming impact: supremacy of steel and terrifying impact now temporarily reduce damage resistance by 1/2/3/4/5% and damage dealt by 1/2/3/4/5% on affected targets.
Iron guard: Each time you deal damage to a target, you reduce its damage by 4%. Maximum 20% damage reduction.
If DPS can Tank then Tank should be allowed to DPS!
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One reason there is not balance is that there is a huge disparity between unstoppable and shield. One part of disparity is that while a GWF is unstoppable, they generally do more damage, or are building stacks to do more damage. If it was hairy before they went unstoppable, they get a heal, temp hitpoints, and can even pop a potion if they really needed too. And, they have good damage, so they can lifesteal and regen up while they are portected. And unstoppable makes them immune to CC. The CC immune and the damage reduction is from ALL sides.
A GF can't do any of that. When our shield is up, we can't do encounters/dailies. We can't drink a pot. We used enforced threat before our shield went up, so we are getting hit from all sides. In pvp we can be CC'd from behind or from chill. All we can do is agg strike or get back some shield with our at-wills. This is why conq was so good comparitively, because we were trained not to use our shield. Shield up =damage and agro gone, and if your are conq, even more so.
If you are going for balance, pvp and/or pve, you haven't gotten there yet. Yes, you have buffed the GF and made him a bit better. Extra hp, arguably a better shield, arguably a buff to RA, better mark, better agro. But its nowhere near where you need to go for balance.
Don't nerf unstoppable more. I am against nerfs to balance. Bring us up to the same level, so both are fun, and both are viable/equal. That means Conq needs much more damage. That means tact/prot need love.
For tact/prot, i think one step would be to modify the capstones, to help the group. Tact/Prot's only purpose is to aid groups, so make it so? Make the Tact capstone add a small amount of AP to the whole party for getting hit, kind of like battle fury. Modify prot's capstone to reduce the mob's damage resistance for hitting the GF, not its damage output.
But I think if you guys run some PVE in the new mod you'll notice how often EVERYTHING is on you, so being able to block is big.
The best part about the new capstone IMO
10% crit chance!!!!
This opens new avenues that we have never had. A lot of you who don't use vorpal, normal, greater or even perfect probably haven't seen what numbers we can hit when we do crit. 22-24% is about all we can get MAX as a GF. You can use timeless and some tenacity gear to make that go up especially your at wills, they hit freaking hard with crits, but the idea of GF's being based around crit has never really worked that well and now it can.
For instance in PVE, your frontlines, or your Villains will crit a LOT of monsters hard. Enforced Threat can now hit 20 targets. so in a big boss fight, you are getting over 30% chance to crit on 20 different targets! I think this is going to add a LOT more damage than people realize.
I know new rogues are not running the shocking path so the 5% crit chance isn't as often
But - lets say you are a big time PVE'r and you do have a rogue with you granted the speed runs don't usually bring one anymore. We are now talking mid to upper 30's % chance to crit, that is freaking unreal as a GF. Knight's Challenge is SICK on boss fights, so is Anvil as well. Imagine Knight's + Anvile with a mid to upper 30's chance to crit? I mean seriously?!
Again - lets see what Crush is doing as he has been really quiet lately.
The weapon stats prove this out and the armor stats prove this out, we are supposed to stand and act like a sponge, just stand there and soak up the damage and hit like we are equipped with a wet noodle. Guys all games in this day and age are about DPS, everyone wants to deal massive loads of it, brag about it so forth and so on. DPS was the first form of Cc and it still holds true in just about every game, he who does the most damage controls the mob.
Look at our weapon stats, I took our highest T2.5 weapon, "Fomorian fabled and compared it to the GWF and a DC" take a look:
GWF:
823-1006 damage
1727 power
289 crit
133 recovery
133 deflect
Set bonus: +450 crit
DC:
686-838 Damage
1727 Power
289 Crit
133 Recovery
133 A/P
Set bonus: +450 Power
GF:
549-671 Damage
1119 Power
133 Recovery
289 Def
289 Deflect
133 Regen
Set Bonus: +450 Def
A dang DC (a healer) has a better offensive weapon then we do, a dc should have our weapon and we should have theirs:
+137-167 damage
+608 power
+289 Crit
Recovery even
+133 A/P
-289 def
-289 deflect
-133 regen
Set bonus: +450 power
Changing just our weapon would help out not only the Pve guys but also and perhaps more so the PvP guys.
Unless I have been mislead Crush has stated he is not going to raise our weapon stats, so we are stuck with a limp noodle for a weapon, one more based on defense than offense. Under the current builds, skills and stats look at how much more effective in offense we would be with the dc's weapon stats. Plus this does not take into account their offhand.
In the beginning of MMO's each class had a distinct role to play in groups:
The controller ( pull the mob and hold it)
The kiter (Kite the adds away and kill them)
The healer (self explanatory)
The nuker (Kill everything the controller held)
That changed over the course of years because everyone wanted DPS, so DPS became the king. DPS controls the mobs, that's why in all other games the player that does the most damage controls the mob.
I'm sorry but I just do not feel the path Crush is forcing us to go is the correct one. Not when simple buffs and stat changes could be implemented "FIRST". You do not totally rebuild something when a simple repair would take care of it, that's like replacing the tire on your car when all it needs is some air.
Our weapons every set is defense stat'd.
Our armors every set but 1 is defense stat'd and the stats on that one set are not that good.
I just cannot help but feel these changes he is implementing is because of some future class that's going to be brought in later, similar to the nerfs CW's are taking to herald in the new warlock class.
And why can't the current Reckless Attacker feat that runs at the live server just get additional crit chance without completely overhauling it? Oh, that's right, it 'cannot', because changing it was an inescapable consequence with the introduction of the questionable idea of this stamina-guard!
This PvP focused section of playerbase that pushes for the proposed Reckless Attacker feat (the one that works with 'stacks) keeps awefully quite about the option to just improve existing things. And the reason they fight the option to just improve things tooth and nail is that that they want the stamina-guard.
The PvP focused section however is a minority, it is focused on a minority of the game (PvE is what Neverwinter primarily is!). They don't want to improve ('making something that already exists better') GFs, but instead making us something else by overhauling and twisting the class to make it fit to their desires more than one year after the game has gone live. They don't care about the negative backlash their proposed deep reaching changes have for other pillars of how our class works, and they tolerate the new bugs (from which only some are known) that inevitably come along with these deep changes.
They seem to be ok with any scale of hazardous fallout, and as much as I have respect for PvP focuses players - that is too much! Keep the old guard/block mechanic and the old Reckless Attacker feat, just buff the guard/block and maybe the Reckless Attacker feat. (I'd love to stand up for fellow tacticians and protectors and discuss improvements for them, since they need it more than us conquerors, but what I wrote here about has priority.)
The PVP people are not quiet about putting 10% crit chance on the current reckless. Block on live currently blows. One plague fire can take your block out in seconds. It is delayed, even when feated and with profound gear takes what? 11 hits and it is gone? In PVE against a big boss fight with adds it is gone in a matter of seconds. Do none of you PVE GF's use Supremacy of Steel and Knight's Valor? Do you guys realize that this new block function makes that work perfectly. Basically you are reducing 50% of incoming damage to your team HALF the time. All else aside, that is AMAZING. A healer could keep up with healing you if that was the case, and the other three could tra la la la la whatever they want. Not to mention you putting plague on anything that hits you or your teammates, or lightning, or bile, or whatever you'd like.
The current block + capstone SUCKS! PVE - sure you can get away without blocking, but not in those hectic fights where you pretend to be the tank, in PVP you cannnnnnot get away without blocking all the time, against Cw's you have to block, TR's you have to block or be eaten alive granted they haven't went perma, GWF's you have to block or again, they murder you, so you are allllllways losing that capstone, Clerics are really the only class you don't have to block against in pvp.
PVE - take Draco fight, if you are kiting the adds around you have to hold up block, if you are running them in a circle sure, less than you would, but you also wouldn't be attacking, if you are on the draco, you HAVE to block or get crushed. If you can't dodge a hand you have to block it or it is near death. Just beacuse we pvp doesn't mean we don't or haven't PVE'd. We got all our T2 sets just like you guys, we had to PVE for boons, artifacts and such, we aren't clueless lol.
The current block decreases power is a joke. The idea that you can block AND deal damage is amazing. Sure, if they added 10% crit all the time to the current capstone and removed the 100% depending on your guard/stamina meter, then yeah I would love it. But he is NOT going to do that, it is just too overpowered and there is not enough risk and not skill involved in building up your capstone.
Crush... we are all eagerly awaiting your next update...
Add to that, all Enchants are based off Weapon Damage! we are screwed still...
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When the new ranger paragon was brought out there were no re-specs issued, even though it was a completely new paragon path. Those players had to suck it up and re roll a new toon, or if their base stats were ok buying a re-spec. Re-equipping a new toon gets expensive, armors, enchants, artifacts etc.
So we are looking at that, plus if you built your toon specifically for the conq tree and set his base stats for it, High str, mid con and mid dex, now this new change is going to favor dex, so ohh well that means a new toon since you cannot change your base stats.
Not only that since this new rebuild highlights, crit, ouch those of us with PF, or terrors will now have to sell and buy a vorpal, (already the most expensive enchant on the market, which because of this change will skyrocket in price like the gear for the rangers did after that change)......
If you mean the Reckless attacker feat as it is at the live server, then it would mean also that you are against the stamina-guard, because the two are conntected. And this is why: Gentlemancrush wrote explicitly that the proposed change of the Reckless Attacker feat was a consequence of the stamina-guard, here is the quote:
No new Reckless attacker with 'stacks' means no stamina-guard.
Yes, block on live currently is not good enough. And the easiest way to fix this is to improve it, NOT change it. Several ways to improve it have already been mentioned in this thread. The reaction to them by the proponents of the stamina-guard? - Silence. Also, if you dislike it that much, why do you want to play a GF? Do you even still play GF actively? I think ayroux said he didn't play GF the last three months. This looks to me like you don't love the class, but that you want to twist the class into something you guys want.
Experienced PvE players have already pointed out at several occasions that Supremacy of Steel has limited use, especially in strong parties which don't take much damage at all since they simply control and dps everything down in seconds before the mobs can act in any relevant way. And it is exactly these parties that we GFs need improvements for to get invited by them.
In powerfull parties that control and dps everything down in seconds tanking isn't needed. What else is then left to justifiy taking a GF for them? - The dps, control and party affecting buffs a GF provides is left. Since the GF won't have to block much anyway, his guard meter will be pretty full and thus he deals more dps with the conq. capstone feat that is at the live server, and that means a higher chance to get invited. In the weaker parties on the other hand, the GF will block quite some amounts of attacks, but these kind of parties are fine with the GF not dealing that much damage, since they have a significant need for a 'tank'.
With the capstone feat the proponents of the stamina-guard want, you will deal less damage in strong parties and thus the chance to get invited in these parties is even lower, since building 'stacks' won't happen if the mobs are busy with experiencing their dead bodies falling slowly and peacefully like snowflakes out of an arcane singularity. In weak parties you would have no problem holding the 'stacks' most of the time, and thus deal more damage. But there there already is enough incentive to invite a GF among these kind of parties, since they need tanking.
Regarding the proposed Reckless Attacker feat at the preview server, I don't call that synergy.
Yes, the Dracolich fight at the live server is very difficult for a GF trying to mainly tank, but rare fights like these in the game don't necessarily call for twisting our class to better the situation. Improving guard/block as it as at the live server (NOT changing HOW it works! IMPROVING it!), reducing casting times like the one of fighter's recovery or improving our damage reduction in general are just a few available solutions to this. Blocking shouldn't be the only tool we have to deal with adds that want our head. It brings fun to choose from different options, to choose carefully when to block and to deal with the time span when your guard is broken by evading, using fighter's recovery, artifacts that make you immune to damage and other possibilities. And finally: The Dracolich fight takes place in Castle Never - Castle Never, not the cloak tower.
I'd be carefull what you are wishing here for, becuase that increases our similarity with the GWF who can attack and use unstoppable at the same time. The paragon path swapping already was bad enough. Let's stay a distinct class with distinct characteristcs. If the two classes become too similar, what's the point in having two of them? Side issue: In a quite lmited way you already can block and deal damage at the same time at the live server. It is called 'aggravating strike' and 'shield slam'.
You can improve the Reckless Attacker feat at the live server without making it overpowered. Leave it as it is, but make it provide additionaly +3% crit. (But I am realy uncomfortable with throwing numbers around me here, I am open to reduce or incresase that).
Also what Gentlemancrush is going to do is unknown to us. But when I look at this Thread I see it has already 66 pages (much more than the other official class feedback threads), major disagreements and nearly conflicts, and that despite our class beeing supposed to get buffs and despite there are fewer GF players than players of other classes. The proposed changes go against a majority that favors a buffed old guard/block mechanic over any stamina-guard, and already there are players saying these deep reaching changes will breake the neck of the GF class, and have announced they will quit if this goes live, even in this thread.
It is therefore very well in Gentlemencrush's interest to scrap these proposed changes, especially the stamina-guard!
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even though he already stated the new guard is here to stay so get used to it and lets work on improving it. because right now it can be mitigated and it should be fixed soon according to crush.
i say good let them quit, and to this i say all these people complaining probably have never actually been on the preview server and have never tested the new block mechanic out and are just qq'ing because of change. speaking of which a good player will adapt and find new ways to utilize these skills. old block blows on live and if you cant see how much better the stamina/guard is then your deluding yourself.
greater movement speed to position yourself, immune to cc(all cc) , increased survivability through movement, longer duration no more guard break on small hits VS slow sluggish movement, cc with guard up, no survivability from guard breaks, guard destroyed in seconds. sorry but i choose the new one over the HAMSTER we had before.
I agree i HATED the new block to start with but then after actually testing it many times against other players and mods i can say that It is already better even with he bugs. We can close gaps faster and kite better, cc immunity, shield lasts longer and more ways to recharge it.
Plus the changes like more crit and dmg with more hp I have to say I was not expecting this, the gf is actually a good class now.
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it will be even better once crush fixes the DR mechanic on it like he said he would literally making us imho a tank but since our guard is bugged and does not take into account our DR deflect and tenacity and cant be mitigated it is hurting us speaking of which hopefully we shall get some feedback from crush he has posted in the GWF forum he should come here and clarify some things for us.
also for everyone just reading they dont understand that the new RA capstone is bugged and only is giving us the first stack and not counting the other 4 but the crit one works fine and i even tested it but i refuse to play conqueror protector for life lol
ummm why would it favor dex? dex does not give us anything except deflection and ArP and aoe resist so explain how dex is going to help us with vorpal. also 10% crit is no reason to go out and buy a brand new spanking perfect vorpal when you can do just fine with terror or plague considering the new buff to mark.
and no those prices sky rocketed because HR's can get insane amounts of crit just like TR's. so you had 2 classes that could use them to the best extent even cw's but your lucky if you can break 39-34% crit on a guardian without having to sacrafice another stat
im going to keep bumping this fact since the last 20 pages have flushed it out and we have yet to get a response on this other than something something about DR not being recognized yes thats a problem but this is also a big issue.
This is still at the preview server, and thus not final. The old guard/block mechanism and therefore a major part of what makes a GF a GF is lost when it's lost, and not a second sooner.
Be very carefull with the spirits that you summon, you might not be able to put them back into the bottle - A mmorpg needs players, and once they have left, it is unlikely that they will come back. By the way, it should make you really think twice that players react in this way when their class is supposedly to get 'buffed'.
I have been joining the preview server regularly, and I have also met good GF players there, for example lvl99looter aka Ant-Monster and others. They favor the old guard/block mechanism when I asked them: "If both, the current and the stamina guard get buffed so that they are at a level playing field, which one of the two do you favor?"
Adaption is not the problem (except this: how do you 'adapt' the millions of AD that have gone into companions and similar stuff that were acquired to build their GFs around the class as it is at the live server?). The problem is if you have to adapt to something bad, and the bad sides of the stamina-guard have been pointed out to a great extend in this thread.
Agreed, the current state of the GF at the live server is bad, but that can be fixed by improving our class rather than twisting it. Some seem not to see the option of simply improving the GF, and just compare the GF class as it is at the live server with what is at the preview server. There is more there than this narrow perspective. And it is better.
*cough* post #448 *cough*
GWF (18.9K):
I died vs the GWF 2 times, but I could drop his HP down to 30~40% pretty easy with 3.4K Power and less than 1K in ArP/Crit, also the fight lasted like 2 min the first time and like 1 min the second one, they may have the same DPS, but they are being pretty squishy, I mean a lot!!!, they won't hold nodes, the only thing I see them doing is some Kamikaze attacks.
CW (15K):
This fight was the most balanced I had in preview, lasted like 2~3 min but she ran away to the campfire when I was about to kill her ¬¬, she controlled me a lot but she couldn't drop my HP below 40~50%, this shield system worked perfectly vs her, she even complained about the shield for being too OP.
HR (15.4K):
Well, what can I say here, he just treated my like garbage, maybe I could make a little more damage than in live because of the DR reduction (Leser GPF + Mark), but I died fast, couldn't drop his HP below 70%.
TR (with perfect/greater enchantments):
The 2nd most unbalanced fight I had (after the HR), but since I didn't knew his GS I don't wanna go on details.
In conclusion I feel better in PvP, also in PvE I tested my aggro with a Greater Lightning Enchantment and I can say that both, a 16K HR nor a 19K GWF, couldn't get the mob attention xD, I got so many aggro that I could hardly survive in IWD.
There is a double stacking going on with reckless as I gain the reckless attacker buff for crit, yet the damage bonus must stack separately i have to actually stack one then the other they do not stack in tandem. This causes a flip back n forth of the buff and its hard to manage! Does not seem WAI?
Also the 20% damage bonus I'm confused as my damage only went up 500 power 3% Damage Bonus?
here in the first picture I have no bonuses
EDIT: I looked further and that second buff embarrassingly is Vangaurds Resolve boon, However i did not notice any damage increase from reckless other then the crit?
here in the second picture i have both bonuses yet only a 3% damage Bonus and 500 more power?
Overpowered 60 CW ~ Thaumaturge 14.5k
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~ GF Buffs were great we are much better, please fix the bugs now... Thank you!
That means that the damage increase is either, not showing or not working.
Its not working. Someone mentioned before that only the first stack appears to be giving a damage bonus, but all stacks are applying the crit bonus.
This is just an assumption. The majority of the players doesn't write in the forums. Thus we do not know anything.
I'd prefer a reversed stamina-based guard. That is, you can block as long as you want without draining any stamina. As soon as you lower your shield to do some decent damage your stamina gets instantly depleted and you cannot raise your shield again until the stamina is full again.
So this is just for standing still in pve ? if that was the new guard we would die in pvp against every char and in pve we would not be able to kite at all.
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