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Mixing PvE and PvP Is A Huge Mistake
jellicho
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 104
The proposed mixing of pvp and pve is going to be a terrible mistake by this company.
There is currently no other new content for this time, so this means the new pvp/e zone is going to be the only thing everyone plays.
PvPer's won't like the PvE content.
PvEer's won't like the PvP content.
Those worried about pay2win will be even more annoyed.
This is the start of the downfall of this game.
Coupled with the massive time requirement for all phases of the zone, Cryptic has ensured that this new zone will please nobody.
I say this as a founder, HOTN, and supporter of this game from Day 1.
Please Cryptic, don't make this mistake.
There is currently no other new content for this time, so this means the new pvp/e zone is going to be the only thing everyone plays.
PvPer's won't like the PvE content.
PvEer's won't like the PvP content.
Those worried about pay2win will be even more annoyed.
This is the start of the downfall of this game.
Coupled with the massive time requirement for all phases of the zone, Cryptic has ensured that this new zone will please nobody.
I say this as a founder, HOTN, and supporter of this game from Day 1.
Please Cryptic, don't make this mistake.
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I guess we'll find out.
1. Kill npcs, activate <forget> that give points, team with most points at end gets a resistance buff for phase two.
2. PvP (you'll want that buff!). There is giants you can have help your side. Winning team goes to T2 loot dungeon (hopefully new T2 or specialized?!)
Loser team gets the Loser Dungeon for Losers™ with measly T1 gear that the 20 man team will immediately abandon after one run to see it.
There are coins too, yet another currency.
yeah, if end game turns out like that i will never play end game, probably quit altogether.
the only person who wins with that end game is Cryptic and their outrageously priced zen store.
"Guild or GTFO"
I don't think there is any chance in the nine hells any PuG will ever stay together long enough to PvP (phase one is a tough PvE raid remember!) then to face a guild on team-speak, who have the thing on farm status and almost guaranteed to have the Resistance buff..
people go nuts in pvp having to win and they will spend their money to do it. I am too much of a tightwad with my money. I will quit first.
Warhammer Online.
Tried to mix PvP and PvE with the winner getting to the PvE dungeons, nobody was happy about it.
Good point. I'm certain the store was at the center of the "idea cloud" on the white board while drawing this baby up.
PvPers have the highest ratio of "whales" among ftp games I would think. The competitive spirit and rage can make some people spend a few grand to have all greater enchants and be proc'ing machines in PvP..while it lasts. Later the buyer's remorse, ha.
"Forming GG raid, must have gs12k+ full SF / Tene slotted, pst exp'd only must know shtcts/bosses"
Why have the phase I? Why not just make it 2 phases and start with the PvP? Just seems like an unnecessary time suck to have some PvE dungeon before PvP where the sole purpose of the dungeon is to get a buff for PvP?
It drops the same level reward as current dungeons. Tier 1 and Tier 2. You miss out on nothing by not participating. Just don't do it.
The 1st phase gives a buff for 2nd phase (PvP). Winner of PvP get to do Phase 3 dungeon for T2 loot, losers break up, or do the Loser Dungeon for Losers™ for T1.
Just to play Devil's Advocate, I'll say the following:
Dark Age of Camelot. Darkness Falls.
Everyone loved it.
40 people run it and let the fresh 60's lose so they can go get some T1 in the LDfL, while the elder guild members go do the T2 dungeon. Trade off each night or however long the thing will take once it's on farm status (within 24 hrs of release).
DAOC was a monthly fee game and RVR was a completely different animal than a 20vs20 matchup where spending a thousand dollars on your character means you have a huge advantage.
Warhammer had a subscription too.
He showed an example of a failed PVP/PVE Hybrid Dungeon. I just wanted to show the flip side of that coin.
Im pretty variable. But I usually stay away from those big guilds with the team speak or whatever. Its not for me.
Bad hearing, teamspeak is a waste of time.
Don 't do PvP, you want to,it's fine with me.
End game grind for gear. Does the term "not bloody likely" help?
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Something new and something fresh i say, might even get people in that dont participate in pvp, like myself.
Ummm new update coming with new zone.http://nw.perfectworld.com/module1
Can't wait for a new dungeon and hope it'll have actual mechanics apart from the “spawn 60 identical mobs to fight alongside the boss”.
as to the topic at hand i cant wait for this pve/pvp zone its how i would love the whole game to be like but for obvious reasons they cant do that so thankyou cryptic
I agree. My experience from many MMO's is some players like PvP a lot but many dislike PvP and is focused around PvE content. Forcing them to do PvP is... terrible idea. Really...
I feel exactly the same way. I'm somewhat baffled by the direction Cryptic is taking. Up till now, I would have said NW was a PvE-centric game with a bit of optional PvP on the side. But they seem to be focusing more and more on the PvP aspect of the game.
That's fine I guess, but I wish they'd make up their minds. Is this game going to be focused on PvP content at end game? Or will it keep it's PvE focus? You can't please two masters.
If NW is going to become a PvP-centric game, then no hard feelings, but it's not the game for me.
You forgot to add that it'll only be available to play once every 5 hours.
first play it then judge it.