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thequeueballthequeueball Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited May 2013 in General Discussion (PC)
Since everyone seems to be missing the issue.... The problem isn't being banned from zone chat, the problem is being banned from every form of communicating in game. Because you get banned from zone chat, you essentially cannot play for 24 hours unless you have other player's information out of game.

People reporting you, and getting you banned for "spamming" chat disables:

Guild chat.
Whispers.
Party chat.
Cannot ask for a rez while in a group. (only the color flashes)
Chat in ALL of Cryptic's games. (Seriously... Sounds so insane that it has to be a joke... But it's not. What?)

For 24 hours.

This is one of the only MMOs I've played (out of a substantial amount) that allows people to essentially punish anyone they want and ruin their gaming experience. It takes 20 people to remove you from all chat for 24 hours. 20 people out of over a thousand in the main city at any given time. This could be a guild targeting people for fun, just to troll them.

Some solutions could be:

-Establish distinct trade and LFG chats.
-A rate limiter, that limits messages to once every 30 seconds to a minute.
-Reporting spam ~ Removing someone from zone chat for a limited time that increases over the amount of reports.
-A ban from zone chat only.
-Increasing the threshold on the amount of reports required (still does not fix the problem of being banned from all forms of communication)

By allowing people to report spam, and letting them know that it's going to have direct consequences on the people they are doing it to ~ fosters a toxic community that gets off on the thrill that they can ruin the game for someone else. See this thread for proof.
shahualing wrote: »
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Original Post:


This is the 3rd time I have been chat banned for doing nothing other than trying to buy an item or trying to find people for a group.

Not spam. It's becoming more and more frequent for everyone I play with as well. Try to LFG? Chat banned. Try to find people? Chat banned.

It's one thing to chat ban someone from zone. But chat banning from party chat? From whispers? From guild chat? That's a broken system. Ban me from zone, I would accept it. But people are intentionally ruining the game for everyone else just because they post something in zone chat.

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  • dixa1dixa1 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    use the auction house. zone spam is obscene and people are sick of it.
  • nubgamernubgamer Member Posts: 53 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    LOL, I love the message ADVERTISING for AFK PVP leveling, advertising for other people to exploit a bug, I hope this post draws attention to that person.
  • thequeueballthequeueball Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    It's people like you two that cause the real issues. I post once and get chat banned from EVERYTHING for 24 hours. You are missing the point. Ban me from zone, fine. But from everything else? That's a joke.

    2 days ago I was chat banned for "LF1M CN," not even spamming it. What should I use when I need to find people? What do you suggest zone chat be used for? Roleplaying? Get off your high horse and look at the real issue.
  • thequeueballthequeueball Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    shahualing wrote: »
    The only way to get trade spammers out of Zone chat is to make it annoying to continue doing it. If you were just banned from zone chat, it wouldn't be annoying enough to stop it.

    But now you want to stop it, don't you?

    You must be delusional, you are MISSING THE ISSUE. People can ban people from ALL CHAT, NOT JUST ZONE, for 24 hours. I was banned 2 days ago from ALL CHAT for LFM. Not using it for trade spam.

    Banning someone from whispers, party chat, guild chat, and zone chat essentially makes the game unplayable for 24 hours. Good grief.
  • fangownedfangowned Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    To the above <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>,you cant sell items in AH for gold unless i'm missing something.So saying once "wts item" in zone chat is not considered spam,if you dont know what spam is google it.and if you dont like seeing wts messages in zone chat blame the game for not having a trade chat.
  • thequeueballthequeueball Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    shahualing wrote: »
    Yes, it's quite annoying isn't it? Now will you do anything that will cause that to happen again?

    You are literally <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>.

    Instead of facing the issue, you just want everyone to stay out of zone chat? I have a solution for you, turn your zone chat off.
  • fangownedfangowned Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    shahualing wrote: »
    The only way to get trade spammers out of Zone chat is to make it annoying to continue doing it. If you were just banned from zone chat, it wouldn't be annoying enough to stop it.

    But now you want to stop it, don't you?

    Also I never report anyone looking for a group or posting something every 30 seconds or so, but the trade spammers are terrible and I am helping clean it up.

    From now on i will report anything irrelevant to trade posts in zone chat,i suggest everyone who uses zone chat for trading to do the same and prove to <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> like you how broken this system is.
  • rictrasrictras Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 239 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    This is not proof. This is just your version of what happened.
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  • thequeueballthequeueball Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    shahualing wrote: »
    No, I don't think you guys get it. If there was no mitigation of trade chat in zone chat, the text would be scrolling so fast that no one would even see any of the things people are trying to sell or buy. I am suggesting that you find some other way to pawn your stuff, than zone chat, or you will be chat banned. It's pretty simple, and effective.

    Also, let's refrain from the personal attacks, yes?

    Yep, you are the problem. Thank you for at least admitting it.

    I wasn't spamming anything, as I showed in my screen shot. If you have a problem with me doing the same thing as everyone else ~ which is NOT against the chat rules ~ then turn off zone chat.

    I am not breaking any rules. I am not spamming. You are banning people from chatting through EVERY MEANS in game, not just your precious zone chat. Why is this so hard to understand?

    The problem is NOT being chat banned from zone. But from every form of communicating in game. Get a clue kid.
  • c0mixfanc0mixfan Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 92
    edited May 2013
    This is the 3rd time I have been chat banned for doing nothing other than trying to buy an item or trying to find people for a group.

    Not spam. It's becoming more and more frequent for everyone I play with as well. Try to LFG? Chat banned. Try to find people? Chat banned.

    It's one thing to chat ban someone from zone. But chat banning from party chat? From whispers? From guild chat? That's a broken system. Ban me from zone, I would accept it. But people are intentionally ruining the game for everyone else just because they post something in zone chat.

    And how many times before that screenshot was taken had you posted your message in zone chat, hmmm?

    I concur with dixa1 when they say the zone spam is obscene and people are sick of it. I definitely am, and will continue to report those who post the same message in quick succession until they get the hint!
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  • thequeueballthequeueball Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    c0mixfan wrote: »
    And how many times before that screenshot was taken had you posted your message in zone chat, hmmm?

    I concur with dixa1 when they say the zone spam is obscene and people are sick of it. I definitely am, and will continue to report those who post the same message in quick succession until they get the hint!

    I wasn't spamming anything in quick succession. Being banned from zone chat isn't my issue, being banned from ALL CHAT in game is the problem.
  • atlanticx1atlanticx1 Member Posts: 45
    edited May 2013
    rictras wrote: »
    This is not proof. This is just your version of what happened.

    this guy is right

    scroll up more for proper screenshot
    or its just the last message of the spam than you got banned

    nice try OP
  • fangownedfangowned Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    shahualing wrote: »
    People that are annoyed by trade chat FAR outnumber people using trade chat. So I doubt you will have any appreciable effect.

    Think on this for a moment;

    In order for someone to be chat banned, 20 people have to Report Spam them. TWENTY(20) PEOPLE. Now consider that in regards to how annoyed people are with your spam.

    Really? and what is the last thing you posted in PE zone chat,what do you think it should be used for? RP or **** questions like "PVP VENDOR ONLY SELLS POTS?" "THIS GAME NO STASH?" is that what you type in zone chat and you want to see?
  • jn2002dk1jn2002dk1 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    fangowned wrote: »
    Really? and what is the last thing you posted in PE zone chat,what do you think it should be used for? RP or **** questions like "PVP VENDOR ONLY SELLS POTS?" "THIS GAME NO STASH?" is that what you type in zone chat and you want to see?
    Yup
    Zone chat is not for trading
  • calaminthacalamintha Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    fangowned wrote: »
    Really? and what is the last thing you posted in PE zone chat,what do you think it should be used for? RP or **** questions like "PVP VENDOR ONLY SELLS POTS?" "THIS GAME NO STASH?" is that what you type in zone chat and you want to see?

    I'm pretty sure it was somethig like "WoW was the first MMO!"
  • vanlichtensteinvanlichtenstein Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Now where is that forum ban button.. :P
  • thequeueballthequeueball Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    c0mixfan wrote: »
    And how many times before that screenshot was taken had you posted your message in zone chat, hmmm?

    I concur with dixa1 when they say the zone spam is obscene and people are sick of it. I definitely am, and will continue to report those who post the same message in quick succession until they get the hint!

    Here you go, I scrolled up further for you:


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  • thequeueballthequeueball Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Now where is that forum ban button.. :P

    For bringing up a serious issue you are suggesting I get forum banned? Wonderful community you're starting here.
  • gsundered11gsundered11 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 135 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    You are literally <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>.

    Instead of facing the issue, you just want everyone to stay out of zone chat? I have a solution for you, turn your zone chat off.

    I have another solution. Keep spam reporting people like you until you STFU and start behaving yourself.
  • coglovercoglover Member Posts: 97
    edited May 2013
    I sign to this, also got chat banned for nothing, people spam so much you cant even read, when i write 1 time every 30 sec i get chat banned. Nice (and yeah, 30 sec is VERY LONG TIME in this spamforsaken "Zone" channel)
  • fangownedfangowned Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    If you have questions about the game go read forums if you wanna give answers do the same or pm the guy who asked,only he is interested in your answer anyway,and to the eys of someone else you posting garbage.Content of zone chat is not defined and anyone can use anyway he likes as long as he doesnt spam.Posting a wts once and getting silenced from all chat just because some butthurt kids happened to report him at the same time is broken wether you like it or not
  • jdrivejdrive Member Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    For bringing up a serious issue you are suggesting I get forum banned? Wonderful community you're starting here.

    My gods, he even had the snarky little ':p' at the end to let you know it was sarcasm. Get a sense of humor.
  • thequeueballthequeueball Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    jdrive wrote: »
    My gods, he even had the snarky little ':p' at the end to let you know it was sarcasm. Get a sense of humor.

    Hard to get a sense of humor when I cannot whisper, use party chat, or use guild chat for 24 hours. Then I come bring the issue up on the forums to get flamed by a bunch of children because I "spammed" zone chat. While I've made it very clear I don't care about being banned from zone chat.
  • thequeueballthequeueball Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    shahualing wrote: »
    To be honest the only people that seem to be, "butthurt" are the people getting banned for spamming trade in zone chat.

    I don't get why this is an argument. It's pretty simple, if you spam trade in PE zone chat, you run the likely risk of getting chat banned. So, don't do it?

    I didn't spam anything. I posted more screenshots of the zone chat, I suggest you look.

    Again my issue isn't being banned from zone chat, it's being banned from every form of chat in the game. Why do you keep avoiding the problem? I do NOT CARE about not being able to use zone chat.
  • c0mixfanc0mixfan Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 92
    edited May 2013
    fangowned wrote: »
    If you have questions about the game go read forums

    So you want people to stop playing the game and to trawl the forums for an answer to a question they may have?

    What an utterly ridiculous expectation.
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  • c0mixfanc0mixfan Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 92
    edited May 2013
    Hard to get a sense of humor when I cannot whisper, use party chat, or use guild chat for 24 hours. Then I come bring the issue up on the forums to get flamed by a bunch of children because I "spammed" zone chat. While I've made it very clear I don't care about being banned from zone chat.

    Children? Really? Wow. No wonder you were silenced!

    If only the same could be done on the forums...
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  • thequeueballthequeueball Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    c0mixfan wrote: »
    So you want people to stop playing the game and to trawl the forums for an answer to a question they may have?

    What an utterly ridiculous expectation.

    Is there a global trade chat in the game that people use? Is there a global LFG channel in game that people use?

    Why do you think it's fair that you essentially have the power to remove someone from every form of chat in game for 24 hours, for linking an item in zone?

    Furthermore, why do you think you establish the rules for zone chat?
  • vanlichtensteinvanlichtenstein Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    :D Great, when people get pissed over something like that.

    On a more serious note. I definitly do push the spam button when someone keeps flinging one and the same message a gaziljon times in the chat, no matter what zone I'm in. If I can't have a conversation with anyone anymore just because someone feels the need to advertise gold, items or looking for whatever. Use the que to get into a group for dungeons and so on, use the auction for selling and buying stuff(yes I know its down right now) and use the forum for finding or advertising a guild.
  • thequeueballthequeueball Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    shahualing wrote: »
    Exactly, you don't care about not being able to use zone chat. So a ban from zone chat isn't going to hurt you much and you are going to probably keep spamming trade in zone chat. But you being banned from all chat has made you second guess doing it again, hasn't it?

    I don't see the problem, the system works.

    The system doesn't work. It discourages people from talking at all in zone chat. You are ruining the game for 24 hours because someone linked an item once? How is that fair? I have never encountered an MMO with a ruleset like that.
  • rictrasrictras Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 239 Bounty Hunter
    edited May 2013
    Why do you think it's fair that you essentially have the power to remove someone from every form of chat in game for 24 hours, for linking an item in zone?

    He doesn't have the power. It takes a number of reports for this to happen.
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