Because they did not wipe I will never contribute $$ to them. They are allowing the game to be run by exploiters, if thats their decisions no problem, I will enjoy it for a bit for free and move on.
Because they did not wipe I will never contribute $$ to them. They are allowing the game to be run by exploiters, if thats their decisions no problem, I will enjoy it for a bit for free and move on.
Now see.....THIS is rational. Not "OMG WIPE NAO." And ask for wipe again and again and again. Kudos to you, sir/madam.
As a Founder, a HotN pack holder, and someone that spent hundreds of dollars on the Zen shop - I support this thread. We need a wipe. If people knew even half the exploits that go on here the ones that everyone is trying to cover, they too would want a FULL wipe.
I would even give up my so called "founder head start" if everything gets wiped and we all start fresh. That's how much I believe in it. Simply browsing around "certain" sites will have everyone come to the same conclusion. The screenshots and videos I have seen - can not be unseen.
I've seen them and I don't care. i've invested time and money into my character. I no more want to redo 5/6th of the story again because of exploits than I'd want to reread most of a novel because i lost the bookmark. It would be boring and I don't want to do it. AH prices seem okay to me and if people are flooding the market with cheap end gear goods that's fine by me also. I don't pvp or group, I'm treating this as a fun, story-focused single player game and enjoying it. PW promised no character wipes and on that basis I gave them money. Short of them refunding every cent I've spent, in cash, I expect them to hold to their word.
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orangerascalMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
The only way I will support a full wipe is if they do not refund AD and ZEN.
The people I know that support it are people who think they can get their zen and founders AD. I see no reason for this as time = money. If they don't value other peoples time, we should not value their money.
For those of you that support a full wipe , 99% of you have spent real life money for the game thus acquiring in game items , mount enchantments and Astral Diamonds, for us that havent payed a dyme and we just play the game to enjoy it and progress through by crafting trading and using the AH a full wipe would mean ANYTHING we did goes to nothing . People that paid would be refunded their Zen back and they can preaty much progress again faster . I do not support a full wipe cause i am a casual player and i dont need to pay for something that is being presented to me as free. I would rather farm and go slowly to the top instead of having **** handed to me because i spent real life money on a game. P2W takes the fun away from games. A full scale wipe would make ALOT of players , excuse me alot of CASUAL players to quit without a second glance. Seeing their characters vanishing and all the hours they spent lost just doesnt seem fair.
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robusticaMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 4Arc User
edited May 2013
They should just open a new server at release, that way people can make the choice if they wanna start clean or not.
No discussion or ethical bs required.
They should just open a new server at release, that way people can make the choice if they wanna start clean or not.
No discussion or ethical bs required.
Once again, this does absolutely squat as illegal money and items can be moved via alts.
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bpphantomMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
Based on those conditions, and another head-start, and a reset of the Founder bonuses, ideally a way to measure purples already gained and bound from lockboxes.
- bpphantom
Grace, Tiefling Devoted Cleric
"Do what you can, with what you have, where you are. Then leave the rest to Batman."
These 1500 people is only 1% of the population in the game or maybe even not enough just less. As there will be WIPE and these people go away is it will not be a big loss (that will not loss).
Easy all.
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robusticaMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 4Arc User
Once again, this does absolutely squat as illegal money and items can be moved via alts.
At this moment you can't move money or items to different shards, so as long as they are not going the merge the old shards with the new, I don't see a problem with that solution. It is possible to buy AD with the zen you made by selling AD, but on the new server there will be less AD going around than the current shards, which should make the prices higher. If you look at it that way, you can argue the whole p2w situation, but it will definitely work if current/new shards aren't merged.
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drakedge2Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 0Arc User
At this moment you can't move money or items to different shards, so as long as they are not going the merge the old shards with the new, I don't see a problem with that solution. It is possible to buy AD with the zen you made by selling AD, but on the new server there will be less AD going around than the current shards, which should make the prices higher. If you look at it that way, you can argue the whole p2w situation, but it will definitely work if current/new shards aren't merged.
They are merging all shards into one shard "soon".
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mance7Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
This economy is not a lake. Which is what real life tries to be, a fixed amount of controlled currency(s) in a pool. This virtual life world is more like a lake with two rivers on either end. There is always a flow of AD in one end, pooling, and flowing out the other end. Because of this alone there is rarely stagnant water sitting still, in this case being astral diamonds. Meaning the water there today, will likely not be there in the future.
Look at the fantastic job they've done not only providing money sinks. But linking money sinks together. Through things like AD sinks to buy gold. (Scrolls being at the fore front) Gold which you need to buy ever growing expensive kits, pots, profession, and injury. Not to mention the vast array of things you can buy with straight out gold; via the "Global zone trade TR LFG guild recruitment universal does everything tab" located in the bottom left.
Everyone just needs to relax. The exchange seems stable and leveling out nicely. AH price, both from my buying and selling experiences seem fairly normal to most mmo's. The waves from the pebble in the pond are already passing. Cake anyone?
Shows what you know. I won't say how old I -am-, but if you think I'm a teenager, you're off by about....three decades.
What I -am- is sick and tired of the attitude spewed out by those people asking again..and again...and again...and again...and again...for game wipes, when it's already been stated by admins....devs....community managers...there's going to be no wipes.
Apparently, no isn't good enough for you. You can't cope with someone denying you your will, so you'll just keep asking. Going from mommy to daddy to uncle to aunt to granpa to granma hoping for a different answer that gets you your way. I'm not the one throwing a tantrum here. I asked for a wipe the first time, and when it was said there isn't going to be any......it was good enough for me!!! I will state for the record, that no. I'm no fanboi. Cryptic really dropped the ball on some things, and yes, they should be held accountable for those things. But they're not wrong here and now with this.
And I went from asking for a wipe to backing the -game developers- on this. And given time to think about it, I did come to realize that a wipe would hurt more than help. Apparently, you don't listen to zone chat much. It's okay, given the nature of the beast, but...the day after the seven hour rollback? Holy God, you should've heard it.
And in closing, yes it's a sweeping, irrational statement. It's supposed to be, or perhaps you simply chose to ignore the last edited in part of my previous post. It is just as irrational, sweeping and inane as demanding over and over and over and over and over and over that the developers eat crow. Go back on their word. You and others are asking the developers to lose face even more. At least right now, they're taking a stand and saying "this far, no farther", which I can respect. They said "no wipes".....and they're sticking to their guns. I can get behind that. Why can't you? Oh, yeah. Because you're doing this for the good of the entire game. I'm calling bull.
In all fairness, We could compare this to the civil right movement . People continue to speak up despite being told to sit down and shut up.
No matter what the devs say, as a consumer if we disagree it is best that we let it be known. The only thing you guys can not stand, is the very very real possibility of changing the minds of those dev's .
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Quote Originally Posted by roents
It's an "open beta" that can't be wiped even in the midst of multiple economy destroying exploits. FUN
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mance7Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
In all fairness, We could compare this to the civil right movement . People continue to speak up despite being told to sit down and shut up.
No matter what the devs say, as a consumer if we disagree it is best that we let it be known. The only thing you guys can not stand, is the very very real possibility of changing the minds of those dev's .
So civil disobedience applies to virtual worlds and private companies. Interesting. Not ever entity, nor ever issue is public domain. Your upset with a company, nothing more. Stop trying to grand stand this issue as if your fighting to free sweat shop works in a far away land. Pebbles in a pond. And a game. But I wish you well in your noble and just cause convincing those close minded devs. How dare they keep my hundred plus hours account active, while you advocate the loss of my time for your fancy. A pox on you! Do you honestly think this would make them more friends or less. You would turn 100,000 plus innocent victims in this into already further victims. Heard about all I need to hear from you and your ilk. What about my civil rights. Your all well and fancy to wanna trample them to further your own cause. Who cares what the fall out is too the others caught in your mission, right?
Back of the line buddy paying customer with cash in hand coming through.
Last I heard people were bragging about having 100 people in 20 instances of PE so ... 1500 of 2000 is actually more significant than you'd think. because you know the same reason people say 1% view the forums... that means 99% doesn't know open beta = no wipes so why would they stick around and play... ohhh ****? man i'm good.
So civil disobedience applies to virtual worlds and private companies. Interesting. Not ever entity, nor ever issue is public domain. Your upset with a company, nothing more. Stop trying to grand stand this issue as if your fighting to free sweat shop works in a far away land. Pebbles in a pond. And a game. But I wish you well in your noble and just cause convincing those close minded devs. How dare they keep my hundred plus hours account active, while you advocate the loss of my time for your fancy. A pox on you! Do you honestly think this would make them more friends or less. You would turn 100,000 plus innocent victims in this into already further victims. Heard about all I need to hear from you and your ilk. What about my civil rights. Your all well and fancy to wanna trample them to further your own cause. Who cares what the fall out is too the others caught in your mission, right?
Back of the line buddy paying customer with cash in hand coming through.
If you were trying as hard as you could to sound like a bigoted ******* , you got it right on.
If you were trying to make a valid argument, you completely failed. Just because you are not smart or in the know enough to be concerned over the money you spend, do not push that lack of responsibility onto me.. I am here as a beta tester, and have functioned in that role quite well. You just showed up top play a game, that frankly is not even ready for guys like you to tromp through the meadows in yet.
And straighten up that propeller hat, close your mouth when you breath..
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Quote Originally Posted by roents
It's an "open beta" that can't be wiped even in the midst of multiple economy destroying exploits. FUN
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aeterniaMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 29Arc User
edited May 2013
I would object very strongly to a full wipe for the simple reason that we were told there wouldn't be one. Therefore, many people (me included) have invested a lot of time and real money in the game that we might not have if we had known it'd later be rendered pointless.
If you were trying as hard as you could to sound like a bigoted ******* , you got it right on.
If you were trying to make a valid argument, you completely failed. Just because you are not smart or in the know enough to be concerned over the money you spend, do not push that lack of responsibility onto me.. I am here as a beta tester, and have functioned in that role quite well. You just showed up top play a game, that frankly is not even ready for guys like you to tromp through the meadows in yet.
And straighten up that propeller hat, close your mouth when you breath..
Again money in hand. Wanting to pay. But sadly the guy that should be helping me is to busy helping you because they forgot ketchup on your burger. And instead of realizing the scene your causing you turn around spit on the customer behind you because your ruining his gaming experience, which does extend to the forums. So come on down off your soap box. Your are not saving anyone behaving like this. As for your insults and foul language. You are not helping your cause of 'hero of the people' robin hood persona.
I would object very strongly to a full wipe for the simple reason that we were told there wouldn't be one. Therefore, many people (me included) have invested a lot of time and real money in the game that we might not have if we had known it'd later be rendered pointless.
if they wiped they would return you Zen... but they won't wipe they had there chance they chose the mighty buck of long term success.
Thanks for your opinion. Can you tell me what tomorrows lottery numbers will be too? Or are your psychic powers limited to just video games?
choose your stance, they won't wipe now... why would you wait this long if your ultimate goal is to wipe, the longer they wait the more the build this split in the community and the more they'll HAMSTER off the losing side. It's not psychic powers ****** bag. It's general business logic.
Were you not just arguing against a wipe? now you're attacking me because I said there won't be a wipe? wtf...
They won't wipe, it should be clear for everyone now.
And they won't even open a new server for who wants a fresh start (the best solution to the AH exploit)
So, well, live or leave... they don't seem to be interested in listening to community
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mance7Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
choose your stance, they won't wipe now... why would you wait this long if your ultimate goal is to wipe, the longer they wait the more the build this split in the community and the more they'll HAMSTER off the losing side. It's not psychic powers ****** bag. It's general business logic.
Were you not just arguing against a wipe? now you're attacking me because I said there won't be a wipe? wtf...
Not at all. But you continue to advocate a wipe out of the corner of your mouth, by claiming to know the game is dead or dieing. So which side of the mouth are you talking out of. Second I'm not attacking, I'm illustrating a point that you in fact, do not possess psychic power in which to draw your conclusion.
I have been selling wares all day on the AH. I've even made a couple exchanges for zen. With lots more to buy off the market. I might even take a stroll later to 7/11 to buy a drink and a PWE card. Thousands of others probably are doing the same thing as me, or about too this weekend. You do not speak for me, them or cryptic. Do try to remember that. I done listen to you gloom and doomers.
Take that negative vibe somewhere else.
Not at all. But you continue to advocate a wipe out of the corner of your mouth, by claiming to know the game is dead or dieing. So which side of the mouth are you talking out of. Second I'm not attacking, I'm illustrating a point that you in fact, do not possess psychic power in which to draw your conclusion.
I have been selling wares all day on the AH. I've even made a couple exchanges for zen. With lots more to buy off the market. I might even take a stroll later to 7/11 to buy a drink and a PWE card. Thousands of others probably are doing the same thing as me, or about too this weekend. You do not speak for me, them or cryptic. Do try to remember that. I done listen to you gloom and doomers.
Take that negative vibe somewhere else.
yes because thousands ... indicate a successful mmo. Although now you're doing the same thing to say "Thousands" talking out your *** as the forums would indicate a large sum of those sticking around claim to have not used any money and no desire to. But hey... when you are attack other psychics it's only natural to project your own psychic powers as superior AMIDOINGTHISRIGHT?
Your double standards make you sound like the literal definition of a face palm...
yes because thousands ... indicate a successful mmo. Although now you're doing the same thing to say "Thousands" talking out your *** as the forums would indicate a large sum of those sticking around claim to have not used any money and no desire to. But hey... when you are attack other psychics it's only natural to project your own psychic powers as superior AMIDOINGTHISRIGHT?
Really? I''m not trolling you, nor am I fighting with you. Simply pointing out that there are others out there that do not agree with your opinion. I happen to be one of them. Perhaps if I had said 10's of thousand, or 100's of thousands. Regardless, I will not feed trolls beyond saying. I and probably may others both in game and in real life that I have suggest this game to (and yes I realize that does constitute the entire community) group with and quest with do not share your opinion either. So please, as I recalling saying to the
other chap stop trying to 'save my game', spare me. I have allot of confidence in PWE and Cyrptic, as I've been gaming with both since they came into existence. And as such myself, some choice friends of mine in RL that enjoy and continue to enjoy this game will buy PWE cards this weekend. In that much I can predict. As to the more grand claim of thousands (Which you dont argue in principle, where haggling over the unknown numbers) I would be very surprised to find out only me and a half dozen other people where at 7/11 this weekend and picked up a card. Even on a whim.
Not another one of these pathetic wipe poll threads....
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mance7Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
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Now see.....THIS is rational. Not "OMG WIPE NAO." And ask for wipe again and again and again. Kudos to you, sir/madam.
Occam's Razor makes the cutting clean.
I've seen them and I don't care. i've invested time and money into my character. I no more want to redo 5/6th of the story again because of exploits than I'd want to reread most of a novel because i lost the bookmark. It would be boring and I don't want to do it. AH prices seem okay to me and if people are flooding the market with cheap end gear goods that's fine by me also. I don't pvp or group, I'm treating this as a fun, story-focused single player game and enjoying it. PW promised no character wipes and on that basis I gave them money. Short of them refunding every cent I've spent, in cash, I expect them to hold to their word.
The people I know that support it are people who think they can get their zen and founders AD. I see no reason for this as time = money. If they don't value other peoples time, we should not value their money.
No discussion or ethical bs required.
Once again, this does absolutely squat as illegal money and items can be moved via alts.
Grace, Tiefling Devoted Cleric
"Do what you can, with what you have, where you are. Then leave the rest to Batman."
Easy all.
At this moment you can't move money or items to different shards, so as long as they are not going the merge the old shards with the new, I don't see a problem with that solution. It is possible to buy AD with the zen you made by selling AD, but on the new server there will be less AD going around than the current shards, which should make the prices higher. If you look at it that way, you can argue the whole p2w situation, but it will definitely work if current/new shards aren't merged.
They are merging all shards into one shard "soon".
Look at the fantastic job they've done not only providing money sinks. But linking money sinks together. Through things like AD sinks to buy gold. (Scrolls being at the fore front) Gold which you need to buy ever growing expensive kits, pots, profession, and injury. Not to mention the vast array of things you can buy with straight out gold; via the "Global zone trade TR LFG guild recruitment universal does everything tab" located in the bottom left.
Everyone just needs to relax. The exchange seems stable and leveling out nicely. AH price, both from my buying and selling experiences seem fairly normal to most mmo's. The waves from the pebble in the pond are already passing. Cake anyone?
In all fairness, We could compare this to the civil right movement . People continue to speak up despite being told to sit down and shut up.
No matter what the devs say, as a consumer if we disagree it is best that we let it be known. The only thing you guys can not stand, is the very very real possibility of changing the minds of those dev's .
Quote Originally Posted by roents
It's an "open beta" that can't be wiped even in the midst of multiple economy destroying exploits. FUN
So civil disobedience applies to virtual worlds and private companies. Interesting. Not ever entity, nor ever issue is public domain. Your upset with a company, nothing more. Stop trying to grand stand this issue as if your fighting to free sweat shop works in a far away land. Pebbles in a pond. And a game. But I wish you well in your noble and just cause convincing those close minded devs. How dare they keep my hundred plus hours account active, while you advocate the loss of my time for your fancy. A pox on you! Do you honestly think this would make them more friends or less. You would turn 100,000 plus innocent victims in this into already further victims. Heard about all I need to hear from you and your ilk. What about my civil rights. Your all well and fancy to wanna trample them to further your own cause. Who cares what the fall out is too the others caught in your mission, right?
Back of the line buddy paying customer with cash in hand coming through.
If you were trying as hard as you could to sound like a bigoted ******* , you got it right on.
If you were trying to make a valid argument, you completely failed. Just because you are not smart or in the know enough to be concerned over the money you spend, do not push that lack of responsibility onto me.. I am here as a beta tester, and have functioned in that role quite well. You just showed up top play a game, that frankly is not even ready for guys like you to tromp through the meadows in yet.
And straighten up that propeller hat, close your mouth when you breath..
Quote Originally Posted by roents
It's an "open beta" that can't be wiped even in the midst of multiple economy destroying exploits. FUN
Lol, really?
Not sure if serious or ....
Again money in hand. Wanting to pay. But sadly the guy that should be helping me is to busy helping you because they forgot ketchup on your burger. And instead of realizing the scene your causing you turn around spit on the customer behind you because your ruining his gaming experience, which does extend to the forums. So come on down off your soap box. Your are not saving anyone behaving like this. As for your insults and foul language. You are not helping your cause of 'hero of the people' robin hood persona.
if they wiped they would return you Zen... but they won't wipe they had there chance they chose the mighty buck of long term success.
Thanks for your opinion. Can you tell me what tomorrows lottery numbers will be too? Or are your psychic powers limited to just video games?
choose your stance, they won't wipe now... why would you wait this long if your ultimate goal is to wipe, the longer they wait the more the build this split in the community and the more they'll HAMSTER off the losing side. It's not psychic powers ****** bag. It's general business logic.
Were you not just arguing against a wipe? now you're attacking me because I said there won't be a wipe? wtf...
And they won't even open a new server for who wants a fresh start (the best solution to the AH exploit)
So, well, live or leave... they don't seem to be interested in listening to community
Not at all. But you continue to advocate a wipe out of the corner of your mouth, by claiming to know the game is dead or dieing. So which side of the mouth are you talking out of. Second I'm not attacking, I'm illustrating a point that you in fact, do not possess psychic power in which to draw your conclusion.
I have been selling wares all day on the AH. I've even made a couple exchanges for zen. With lots more to buy off the market. I might even take a stroll later to 7/11 to buy a drink and a PWE card. Thousands of others probably are doing the same thing as me, or about too this weekend. You do not speak for me, them or cryptic. Do try to remember that. I done listen to you gloom and doomers.
Take that negative vibe somewhere else.
yes because thousands ... indicate a successful mmo. Although now you're doing the same thing to say "Thousands" talking out your *** as the forums would indicate a large sum of those sticking around claim to have not used any money and no desire to. But hey... when you are attack other psychics it's only natural to project your own psychic powers as superior AMIDOINGTHISRIGHT?
Your double standards make you sound like the literal definition of a face palm...
Really? I''m not trolling you, nor am I fighting with you. Simply pointing out that there are others out there that do not agree with your opinion. I happen to be one of them. Perhaps if I had said 10's of thousand, or 100's of thousands. Regardless, I will not feed trolls beyond saying. I and probably may others both in game and in real life that I have suggest this game to (and yes I realize that does constitute the entire community) group with and quest with do not share your opinion either. So please, as I recalling saying to the
other chap stop trying to 'save my game', spare me. I have allot of confidence in PWE and Cyrptic, as I've been gaming with both since they came into existence. And as such myself, some choice friends of mine in RL that enjoy and continue to enjoy this game will buy PWE cards this weekend. In that much I can predict. As to the more grand claim of thousands (Which you dont argue in principle, where haggling over the unknown numbers) I would be very surprised to find out only me and a half dozen other people where at 7/11 this weekend and picked up a card. Even on a whim.
Thanks
Mance
~Admiral Arleigh Burke~
Duck! Yo heads up! The natives are restless!