Just my two cents worth here ...
Like others, I have also been grinding away trying to level in an honest way. Have sold stuff and bought stuff (again, in the honest way), and will also be a little pee'd off having to do this all again ... BUT
in all honesty, the right thing to do is re-imburse the players who bought zen with real money and do a complete wipe.
Yes, this will mean that Cryptic / PWE will lose loads of funds from those who have already invested in the game ... but at the same time, will go a long way in showing the community that you strive to provide honest and enjoyable gameplay.
Believe me, those players who are here for the enjoyment, will be angry, but will no doubt stay with the game, as it will once again be fair to all, without having to compete against exploited items stashed and re-introduced into the game by those exploiters at a later stage. Also, with the small rollback as you have currently done, it is my opinion that you are only shooting yourselves in the foot because honestly, few players have confidence in the economy recovery with the small amount of hours rolled back. Will these players be spending real life money on your game again with the current rollback and insecurity? I think not ... so over time you will be losing much more than if you do the right thing upfront.
I know what beta means...it means you are testing a game that isn't charging you for anything. Being that the item mall is open and they are charging people real money...this is no longer a beta. Oh dear sheep do follow blindly don't they?
Peace out!
Looked up beta in the mirriam-webster dicionary online....
Definition of BETA
1: the 2d letter of the Greek alphabet — see alphabet table
2: beta particle
3: a measure of the risk potential of a stock or an investment portfolio expressed as a ratio of the stock's or portfolio's volatility to the volatility of the market as a whole
4: a nearly complete prototype of a product (as software) <released in beta> <the beta version>
Nowhere does it say anything about NOT charging money for it...... #4 to save your precious time.....
Hmmmm, how did you say it? Oh yeah.... "Peace Out!"
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kazanlikMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 11Arc User
You obviously do not understand how DHCP works. DHCP will always seek to give you back the same IP address that you have been given previously. The only way that you do not get the same IP address back again is to stay offline long enough to let somebody else get assigned that address. Depending on how your ISP configures their DHCP settings that could mean that you need to stay offline for days before you will get a different IP address.
I understand it well enough to know that banning solely on the IP is not smart, which was the base of my comment. Even if it took a few months it to change will catch someone one innocent (maybe) for no good reason, when anyone truly determined to get around a ban is going to do so with relatively little problem. Lastly, I know that 1 time out of every 5 that I reboot my router it get's a new IP from the pool. I do watch and record them since to RDP into my home from the office I have to use the IP itself not some DNS friendly name. anyways this is a long time in reply and is basically a dead horse. My last word in it. Be safe.
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chrispybrownMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
There are several ways to ban a computer which can consist of identifying hardware and software, but yes, there are ways around that, but that will be a very small minority of people.
I too agree with a wipe and the sooner the better before I regret saying it.
"We know that character progress matters in Neverwinter, so as an apology for the lost time and as profound thanks for your continued support throughout this Beta, we are putting together a package of items to give everyone. We plan to distribute this towards the middle or end of this coming week, possibly on Friday 5/24."
hmmm, do i get 10 lockboxes or 100 party poppers? if I'm lucky both!
:cool:
It still says im the same level as i was after playing but i dont have skill points speced into the abilities i spent them on yet at the bottom it says ive spent 35 skill points but i only have 23 into my build and none to spend what do i do about this?
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ashah78Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 11Arc User
edited May 2013
Good JOB guys ... I don't want to play a game with people faking the economy and can u parade the bodies of the bad guys in a market hahaha and throw rotten tomatos at them too ....
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ashah78Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 11Arc User
edited May 2013
I just means grind more hahahahaha .... but I hate exploiters ... they don't work for the loot like we do. So good job Neverwinter..... Death to the zombies.
It sucks that it had to resort to a rollback because players that found a exploit decided to exploit it with disregard to everyone else. But I am glad to see that you care enough to try to fix this problem and did so in a timely manner with out resorting to a full on wipe.
So just wondering, what will be in the pack, hopefully another character slot.... I mean 2 is kinda harsh, you have 5 classes to choose from 6 soon, and can start with only two? Anyone else think a character slot would be a good thing in the pack, more characters means more play time and more of a chance for PWE to make some money on this awesome game.
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blankman261Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 5Arc User
edited May 2013
I have read many posts on numerous sites and I also find this bug has been in the game for a long time. Only reason it was acted upon so fast at this point was because it was going to cut into real money profits. It has been shown on other posts screen shots of the same bug in STO, so it is safe to assume this was a copied code from that game and it is safe to assume it was a known issue from the development side. I have lost all trust in this game and it's companies that make and support it.
Is there any word on when the auction house will open up again? The roll back kinda sucked saying I sarted sat night and then all this <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> happened. I understand their decision but still. now I cant even do the auction house mission...
I have a question. With this not being the only exploit in the game that affects the community, why does PWI continuously back the no shard wipe? Characters level to 60 by afk pvp and through foundry exploits. This in itself is an economy destroyer, with a bunch of cheaters essentially building the economy I will level into. Not to mention the fact the exploit used to farm a certain boss, over and over and over again, to gain as many rare items as they want. Then you have this AD debacle that has completely and utterly destroyed the economy. So, we have a bunch of level 60s who cheated to get there, a bunch of these cheaters at level 60 who cheated to fatten their wallets in game, and now a broken game in "beta" taking anyone and everyone's money's, then turning around and not listening to these very same people, who are begging for a server wipe. You have a funny way of supporting your supporting customers, and I have a feeling you will be losing a lot more money by not wiping the shards, than if you do wipe the shards. The people who love the game will level up to 60 again, the correct way, the only people who will quit are going to be the cheaters, you know the guys we don't want in the game anyways. So, be smart PWI, wipe the servers, make your customers happy, they will return the favor. Much more so than a bunch of exploiters who you are currently supporting, and they will bring your ship down.
It sucks that it had to resort to a rollback because players that found a exploit decided to exploit it with disregard to everyone else. But I am glad to see that you care enough to try to fix this problem and did so in a timely manner with out resorting to a full on wipe.
Thanks again for your work.
How can they have "Fixed this problem and did so in a timely manner " when it was shown to them in closed beta,This has been going on for awhile.
How many is small? Were those players suspended, or banned? What about the items/cash they muled over to alt accounts?
Good to see this rollback, and enjoyed the level of communication throughout the issue.
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exercitus00Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
oh Perfect World/Cryptic *shakes head*
Something that simple wasnt discovered after so many beta tests...
That shows the quality of their work on this game
I would really like you to answer some sticky questions, which you did not or not completely:
1) Economy is clearly screwed up, maybe in the last 7 hours there has been an increased use of the exploit, but the exploit itself has biased all the economy since a long time, so seven hours rollback will be the tiny garze on a wound that requires actual surgery
2) How are you going to evaluate the damage done to those player (the majority, I hope) who has played by the rule, maybe throwing a few dollars/euros into your game? All the items in the founder pack are considerably less valuable, given the use of this exploit, so gamers were actually paying lots of money for something that wasn't exactly that valuable, expecially compared to those rapscallions who easily exploited the game
3) What measure are you taking against this bunch of people? Hope the ban is the least of them. Also I would like to be completely sure that no difference of treatment will be applied to paying users (people with founder title, hero of the north pack etc) and simple players (people who spent no actual money on the game). I am sorry, but since I was considering to spend my recreation time in this game, I would like to be in an enviroment where everyone must follow the rule, otherwise I'll rather spend my time in other games
Personally I've lost much of my interest in this game, I am really not going to deal with another bunch of <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> ghostcrawlers, so please, address these questions instead of treating us like <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> monkeys.
When should we expect to get back the ZEN we spent(and lost on rollback) during that day?
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chorvynMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 1Arc User
edited May 2013
Personally I'm against the server wipe. The reason for this is that I have limited time to play the game and I don't want to start levelling again, I want to start enjoying the endgame pvp and dungeons. However I understand the reason why a significant amount of players advocate the wipe. I think the best solution for this problem could be opening a new shard (server), so the people who want the wipe can go there.
P.S. I like the idea of having 1 more charachter slot in that package, I hope it happens
I'm 25 years old with a full time job and play poker on the side. $1000 is not a big deal.
You kinda just proved my point. Seek help for the gambling addiction before Guido and his cronies come leave a horse head on yer pillow.
Also...my main point is....you spent over a thousand dollars on an incomplete, buggy, glitchy program. That's kinda like buying the old clunker on the back of the used car lot and being upset when you have to sink even more into it after a week when it breaks down.
The main reason why I never sank a dime into this game is BECAUSE it's a beta. This game is incomplete. Glaring glitches and massive exploits are bound to be in it. I am smart enough to not invest anything other than time and effort helping Cryptic test their game.
You can rest assured that the financial department of Cryptic studios made darn sure there was funding to develop this game BEFORE any manpower went into actual coding and design. Cryptic kinda has two other games they can siphon funds from to help as well as other options. Those "Founder's Packs"? Not helping to fund development at all. Helping Cryptic make losses back, is what those are. And nobody's wrong for purchasing them, to be sure. What IS wrong is people blithely spending money on something that's BOUND to break and expecting recompense for it.
Joe Blow off the street: "Hey, I want that boat."
Salesman: "But it's not done. There's a hole in the hull."
JB: "Don't care. Here's my money. Put it in the water."
Sales: "Hey, it's your money...."
*boat promptly sinks*
JB: "I WANT MY MONEY BACK."
Sales: "I told you it was broken. All sales are final." *points to sign that says so*
See where I'm going? If you don't....then I guess I can't explain it any better to you.
The more I think of it, the more I'm ready for a complete wipe.
All those afk cheaters, foundry cheaters, and AD cheaters, making legit players paying hard earned AD or paid ZEN/AD in to a cheating overflowed AD marked.
Think of all those who supported you with buying the founder packs. All those AD they got are now worth a fraction of what it should have been. The same goes for those who have bought or will buy ZEN. They will also get less AD then they would have gotten if the AD market was not corrupted by afk pvp, foundry and AD cheaters.
As i posted in a previous post, the same applies here.
Permanently banning individuals isn't the way to go, just look at the same mistake the makers of GW2 did using this method, you do multiple mass ban waves and people simply do not return to the game. If you ban one of the hardcore players for example, 4 others shall follow without exception, simply because these said hardcore players have been together usually for a while, from different games. Should you decide to cut one of them out they aren't going to replace.
When it comes to punishment they should be doing 3 day bans for first time offenders, not permanently ban.
As for the economy, the only honest way to fix this is a complete server reset, while i understand they have announced they wouldn't, they essentially have to, sure you can ban all those who duped on Sunday, but there is still a huge amount of spare ad lurking on individuals separate accounts, a wipe would remove all this including what they've got stashed away on their mules.
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verthrugnaMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 1Arc User
edited May 2013
Goodbye Perfect World, what a waste of money for me to even spend on this game.
You kinda just proved my point. Seek help for the gambling addiction before Guido and his cronies come leave a horse head on yer pillow.
Also...my main point is....you spent over a thousand dollars on an incomplete, buggy, glitchy program. That's kinda like buying the old clunker on the back of the used car lot and being upset when you have to sink even more into it after a week when it breaks down.
The main reason why I never sank a dime into this game is BECAUSE it's a beta. This game is incomplete. Glaring glitches and massive exploits are bound to be in it. I am smart enough to not invest anything other than time and effort helping Cryptic test their game.
You can rest assured that the financial department of Cryptic studios made darn sure there was funding to develop this game BEFORE any manpower went into actual coding and design. Cryptic kinda has two other games they can siphon funds from to help as well as other options. Those "Founder's Packs"? Not helping to fund development at all. Helping Cryptic make losses back, is what those are. And nobody's wrong for purchasing them, to be sure. What IS wrong is people blithely spending money on something that's BOUND to break and expecting recompense for it.
Joe Blow off the street: "Hey, I want that boat."
Salesman: "But it's not done. There's a hole in the hull."
JB: "Don't care. Here's my money. Put it in the water."
Sales: "Hey, it's your money...."
*boat promptly sinks*
JB: "I WANT MY MONEY BACK."
Sales: "I told you it was broken. All sales are final." *points to sign that says so*
See where I'm going? If you don't....then I guess I can't explain it any better to you.
Where am I asking for my money back because the boat has a hole in it? I would only chargeback my money if I am unjustly banned / lose all of my in game money due to them thinking I exploited without actually looking.
I love the game, I am fine with the money I spent. Again, if $1000 is a big deal to you, don't spend it. I'm not asking you to. My point about the money was, I spent $1000+ on this game, they should use their brains and realize that I did not exploit, I have no reason to exploit and all of my money is legit.
If they banned me to "freeze" my account because I have millions of AD funneling through me daily from various people, then fine, they can freeze me to get rid of the bad money and give me my items back, I don't care. I do care about having 0 response from them.
Apparently people who actually exploited, making billions of AD got an email stating they were banned for 72 hours and why. I got no email, no response to tickets or anything and I think that is pretty terrible on their part considering the amount of money I did spend. I bet it is one of the top amounts spent in this game, because I'm sure many feel the same way about you.
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I completely agree with this!
Time spent is money lost. People actually paying for NW are just spending more :P
Looked up beta in the mirriam-webster dicionary online....
Definition of BETA
1: the 2d letter of the Greek alphabet — see alphabet table
2: beta particle
3: a measure of the risk potential of a stock or an investment portfolio expressed as a ratio of the stock's or portfolio's volatility to the volatility of the market as a whole
4: a nearly complete prototype of a product (as software) <released in beta> <the beta version>
Nowhere does it say anything about NOT charging money for it...... #4 to save your precious time.....
Hmmmm, how did you say it? Oh yeah.... "Peace Out!"
I too agree with a wipe and the sooner the better before I regret saying it.
hmmm, do i get 10 lockboxes or 100 party poppers? if I'm lucky both!
:cool:
Hedas 60 GWF.
Hrod 60 GF.
Alain Loreweaver 60 CW.
Dragon.
AND a taxidermed feline hindquarters mounted on a plaque... Cat-***-trophy... Catastrophe.
Thanks again for your work.
(permabans)
Justice!
How can they have "Fixed this problem and did so in a timely manner " when it was shown to them in closed beta,This has been going on for awhile.
How many is small? Were those players suspended, or banned? What about the items/cash they muled over to alt accounts?
Good to see this rollback, and enjoyed the level of communication throughout the issue.
Something that simple wasnt discovered after so many beta tests...
That shows the quality of their work on this game
1) Economy is clearly screwed up, maybe in the last 7 hours there has been an increased use of the exploit, but the exploit itself has biased all the economy since a long time, so seven hours rollback will be the tiny garze on a wound that requires actual surgery
2) How are you going to evaluate the damage done to those player (the majority, I hope) who has played by the rule, maybe throwing a few dollars/euros into your game? All the items in the founder pack are considerably less valuable, given the use of this exploit, so gamers were actually paying lots of money for something that wasn't exactly that valuable, expecially compared to those rapscallions who easily exploited the game
3) What measure are you taking against this bunch of people? Hope the ban is the least of them. Also I would like to be completely sure that no difference of treatment will be applied to paying users (people with founder title, hero of the north pack etc) and simple players (people who spent no actual money on the game). I am sorry, but since I was considering to spend my recreation time in this game, I would like to be in an enviroment where everyone must follow the rule, otherwise I'll rather spend my time in other games
Personally I've lost much of my interest in this game, I am really not going to deal with another bunch of <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> ghostcrawlers, so please, address these questions instead of treating us like <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> monkeys.
P.S. I like the idea of having 1 more charachter slot in that package, I hope it happens
You kinda just proved my point. Seek help for the gambling addiction before Guido and his cronies come leave a horse head on yer pillow.
Also...my main point is....you spent over a thousand dollars on an incomplete, buggy, glitchy program. That's kinda like buying the old clunker on the back of the used car lot and being upset when you have to sink even more into it after a week when it breaks down.
The main reason why I never sank a dime into this game is BECAUSE it's a beta. This game is incomplete. Glaring glitches and massive exploits are bound to be in it. I am smart enough to not invest anything other than time and effort helping Cryptic test their game.
You can rest assured that the financial department of Cryptic studios made darn sure there was funding to develop this game BEFORE any manpower went into actual coding and design. Cryptic kinda has two other games they can siphon funds from to help as well as other options. Those "Founder's Packs"? Not helping to fund development at all. Helping Cryptic make losses back, is what those are. And nobody's wrong for purchasing them, to be sure. What IS wrong is people blithely spending money on something that's BOUND to break and expecting recompense for it.
Joe Blow off the street: "Hey, I want that boat."
Salesman: "But it's not done. There's a hole in the hull."
JB: "Don't care. Here's my money. Put it in the water."
Sales: "Hey, it's your money...."
*boat promptly sinks*
JB: "I WANT MY MONEY BACK."
Sales: "I told you it was broken. All sales are final." *points to sign that says so*
See where I'm going? If you don't....then I guess I can't explain it any better to you.
Occam's Razor makes the cutting clean.
All those afk cheaters, foundry cheaters, and AD cheaters, making legit players paying hard earned AD or paid ZEN/AD in to a cheating overflowed AD marked.
Think of all those who supported you with buying the founder packs. All those AD they got are now worth a fraction of what it should have been. The same goes for those who have bought or will buy ZEN. They will also get less AD then they would have gotten if the AD market was not corrupted by afk pvp, foundry and AD cheaters.
/my 2 cent!
Where am I asking for my money back because the boat has a hole in it? I would only chargeback my money if I am unjustly banned / lose all of my in game money due to them thinking I exploited without actually looking.
I love the game, I am fine with the money I spent. Again, if $1000 is a big deal to you, don't spend it. I'm not asking you to. My point about the money was, I spent $1000+ on this game, they should use their brains and realize that I did not exploit, I have no reason to exploit and all of my money is legit.
If they banned me to "freeze" my account because I have millions of AD funneling through me daily from various people, then fine, they can freeze me to get rid of the bad money and give me my items back, I don't care. I do care about having 0 response from them.
Apparently people who actually exploited, making billions of AD got an email stating they were banned for 72 hours and why. I got no email, no response to tickets or anything and I think that is pretty terrible on their part considering the amount of money I did spend. I bet it is one of the top amounts spent in this game, because I'm sure many feel the same way about you.