Exactly what I told my friends to do about the celestial coins. I'm more tired of the game communities rages over outages than I am the game companies responses. I got that the devs are doing what they can, and if its all a show, well, at least they're putting something on to make it look like they're working.
That's pretty much how I feel about it. I lost 11 coins between my two characters, as well as some AD from the AH. But all in all, it's a game. I'd probably feel the same if I were having issues with Zen, as several people are. But that's when you send in tickets, and contact them using social media. Give them a chance to fix it, keeping in mind that they are likely being slammed right now. If they don't fix it in a reasonable timeframe, taking into account these variables, THEN I'd be pissed. The poor bastiches were in on a weekend, late night, trying to deal with this, all while people were screaming about downtime, screaming that they should have left the game up while they fixed the AH (!?!?), screaming that there were too many updates with not enough information, or too darn few updates at all. And the poor social media guy. @_@; At least it -looks- like they are trying to do something. We'll see what happens in the next few days and weeks. But complaining and ragequitting without even giving them a chance to work with you is absurd. Not the kind of people I'd be interested in playing with in any case, so maybe it's for the best, eh?
Completely off topic, but what does your sig image say? It looks nifty. ^_^
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jukejointjezebelMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Do you really -reasonably- expect them to respond quickly? These people are getting -slammed- right now on top of dealing with the fallout from all of this insanity. And you want them to immediately see your ticket, one among hundreds, and respond to it favorably and immediately?
I just logged into the game, and really had no desire to do anything, so I logged out. Not sure if I'll ever go back in, since there is now zero trust in this game and company.
I have been on the other side of the table before, and while some of the people do care, it is evident that the management, executives and the lawyers are in pure CYA mode right now. They care little for the folks that have paid them money, and will do the bare minimum so that it looks like they did something productive. In their minds it was enough, but to their customer base, it was too little, too late.
This exploit has been know for quite some time, and they ignored it. They watched, perhaps even their friends, run this exploit and did nothing. Pure laziness. This should have never happened.
I'm hoping, foolishly, that the managers and devs who ignored this (and the other numerous exploits), are fired. If they were in the company I work for, they would have been gone, and the lawyers would be looking to see what else they could do to them. There is no excuse for what happened and they know it.
The lawyers must have gone ape, especially when they found out how long it had been going on. That's the main reason it took so long to have the statement released last night. The lawyers went over it to make sure that PWE could not be blamed.
Another thing to know, it will happen again, and they still wont care.
However, if they do care and want our trust, here is a few things they need to do:
1- Give us the number of people that have been banned. No names needed.
2- Explain how you are going to keep them out for good.
3- Ban gold farmers right away, as they are the recipients of most of the exploits.
4- Keep us informed of what is being done in the future about found exploits.
5- Most importantly, explain why this exploit was ignored for so long, and why we should trust you again.
you are making wayyyyyy too much drama out of this if you dont want to play thats fine but STOP whining on the forms in such a childish way like " why we should trust you again" come on man its not your gf you are talking to here it is just a video game
Trust me if you are lucky you will get a response within 3-4 days. If you are unlucky like some people it may take even longer.
Edit: you are by no means the only one experiencing this I'm sure so the amount of traffic they are getting is fu*king massive.
My worry is that I do not see more forum posts about this. The only thing I can think of is someone bought an item off me with duped money (I sell a lot of big enchantments / horses (I've opened over $1000 USD in boxes so far)) or it saw I was spending 20 million AD a day in ZEN to open more boxes and reselling the contents to buy more.
Besides that I have no idea how I could get flagged to b e banned because I was on for literally 10 minutes yesterday.
you are making wayyyyyy too much drama out of this if you dont want to play thats fine but STOP whining on the forms in such a childish way like " why we should trust you again" come on man its not your gf you are talking to here it is just a video game
Do you really -reasonably- expect them to respond quickly? These people are getting -slammed- right now on top of dealing with the fallout from all of this insanity. And you want them to immediately see your ticket, one among hundreds, and respond to it favorably and immediately?
Come on now. Be reasonable.
You spend 1.3 thousand dollars on a game and tell me what kind of service you want. I've been auto calling their support number all day and have yet to get a person.
I was wrongly banned, I want to be unbanned, it is pretty simple.
My worry is that I do not see more forum posts about this. The only thing I can think of is someone bought an item off me with duped money (I sell a lot of big enchantments / horses (I've opened over $1000 USD in boxes so far)) or it saw I was spending 20 million AD a day in ZEN to open more boxes and reselling the contents to buy more.
Besides that I have no idea how I could get flagged to b e banned because I was on for literally 10 minutes yesterday.
Well it sucks to hear that. If you really want to try your luck you can try calling their number which I believe is still avalible till 7:00PM PST. Other then that, a ticket is the only other way it can be resolved. However I have heard they do have really good customer support if you can actually manage to get a live person.
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jukejointjezebelMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
You spend 1.3 thousand dollars on a game and tell me what kind of service you want. I've been auto calling their support number all day and have yet to get a person.
I was wrongly banned, I want to be unbanned, it is pretty simple.
Obviously I want good service, and of course you want to be unbanned. Here's the thing:
They only have so many hands on deck. They probably should call in some temps for basic support, considering the circumstances. But they only have so many people to handle the influx of tickets they are getting. It's not even been 24 hours since the game has been back up. Give them a chance to actually GET to your ticket. Complaining about it in the forum isn't helping, at all, and you're just riling yourself up even more. Give them a chance to do their jobs. You don't know how many people set tickets prior to the sending of yours, and you have no idea how much money -they- spent on the game. Just give them a chance to deal with it before you call them out for "bad service".
Personally, I'm wondering what number you're calling. According to the "community manager" (read as; poor bastich dealing with social media) on the NW Twitter account last night, there is no support number. Support is limited to tickets. If you have a legit support number, please share. o_O
I just logged into the game, and really had no desire to do anything, so I logged out. Not sure if I'll ever go back in, since there is now zero trust in this game and company.
I have been on the other side of the table before, and while some of the people do care, it is evident that the management, executives and the lawyers are in pure CYA mode right now. They care little for the folks that have paid them money, and will do the bare minimum so that it looks like they did something productive. In their minds it was enough, but to their customer base, it was too little, too late.
This exploit has been know for quite some time, and they ignored it. They watched, perhaps even their friends, run this exploit and did nothing. Pure laziness. This should have never happened.
I'm hoping, foolishly, that the managers and devs who ignored this (and the other numerous exploits), are fired. If they were in the company I work for, they would have been gone, and the lawyers would be looking to see what else they could do to them. There is no excuse for what happened and they know it.
The lawyers must have gone ape, especially when they found out how long it had been going on. That's the main reason it took so long to have the statement released last night. The lawyers went over it to make sure that PWE could not be blamed.
Another thing to know, it will happen again, and they still wont care.
However, if they do care and want our trust, here is a few things they need to do:
1- Give us the number of people that have been banned. No names needed.
Never happen, nor do they need to. If you don't trust them to do as they say, why spend money on their product?
2- Explain how you are going to keep them out for good.
I'll explain. In Perfect World's Terms of Service, there's this part called "User Conduct". It's easily found if you go looking, but I'll copy/paste the pertinent section here for you.
PWE may take any actions and impose any penalties we deem necessary to discourage and punish any violation of these terms or any other illegal or inappropriate conduct, all without prior notice or warning. The determination as to whether a violation has occurred and who is responsible for such act is solely within PWE's discretion, and is based on what we deem best for the community and the Website. By using the Website, you agree you will be bound by PWE's determination as to whether a violation has occurred and any penalty we choose to implement.
So you see, by posting here you're agreeing to whatever method they choose and acknowledging that you trust them to maintain their business.
3- Ban gold farmers right away, as they are the recipients of most of the exploits.
I refer you to the above quoted missive from the ToS.
4- Keep us informed of what is being done in the future about found exploits.
You've obviously not dealt with Cryptic very much. They're not too famous for being communicative on patches, progress notes, upcoming content, etc. Heck, their first and what SHOULD be their most prized possession, Champions Online hasn't had a state of the game since July. OF 2012!!! Take that into consideration and chew on it a bit.
5- Most importantly, explain why this exploit was ignored for so long, and why we should trust you again.
Again, it'll never happen, nor do they need to do anything.
Honestly, if you don't trust Cryptic or PWE.....WHY ARE YOU EVEN HERE. Leave. Don't let the doorknob hitcha where the good Lord splitcha.
I'm no "fanboi". I have my own issues with Cryptic and Jack Emmert, but I've put those aside, because they don't really matter here, in these forums. Nor do they figure in on my enjoyment of a product the company and its workers have put out.
I log in, play a while, have fun, then log out. Simple. None of this has affected me in the least, and -MY- astral diamonds haven't devalued at all, because I don't use the exchange. I spend them on ID scrolls, and daily prayers in the game ensure I have more than enough for that. I don't buy stuff off the market, because I'll never have that kind of AD to toss around. I'm not about to grind away my time like that in the game. It's not fun to me.
If I feel like making a zen store purchase, then I will. It's almost guaranteed I will, once the game is officially "live" and available through steam, so I can keep my purchases all though one medium.
My zen will never devalue either, because all I'll use them for is zen store purchases, and not exchanges.
For all those wanting a wipe, I suggest this. Delete all your characters. Then uninstall the game. There's your wipe. Don't take away MY fun.
1000 divided by 1.25 = 800. You've opened over eight. Hundred. Boxes.
Son, I've been playing since the first day of open beta and I haven't had that many boxes DROP FOR ME. I've sold every single lockbox drop on the auction house for 100 AD, and I've made perhaps...and it's a GENEROUS estimate at that.....five thousand AD.
You buy KEYS with zen, lockboxes with AD. If you've sunk that much of your AD into gamble boxes.....and then sunk that much money into them...seek help. Gamblers Anonymous.
Furthermore...spending that much money on what the company INSISTS is an open beta product(which means it's incomplete and not functioning properly)is YOUR fault and stupidity.
If you were spending TWENTY MILLION AD PER DAY.....that alone screams exploiter at me. Or at least partaking of the ill gotten gains of the exploiters, which labels you guilty by association, in my book.
And last but not least....you spent all that money....yet nothing on founder or guardian packs. And your forum account was created yesterday. I'm sorry, but you have no credibility to me. And you should have none to anyone with half a brain cell.
Occam's Razor makes the cutting clean.
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jukejointjezebelMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
1000 divided by 1.25 = 800. You've opened over eight. Hundred. Boxes.
Son, I've been playing since the first day of open beta and I haven't had that many boxes DROP FOR ME. I've sold every single lockbox drop on the auction house for 100 AD, and I've made perhaps...and it's a GENEROUS estimate at that.....five thousand AD.
You buy KEYS with zen, lockboxes with AD. If you've sunk that much of your AD into gamble boxes.....and then sunk that much money into them...seek help. Gamblers Anonymous.
Furthermore...spending that much money on what the company INSISTS is an open beta product(which means it's incomplete and not functioning properly)is YOUR fault and stupidity.
If you were spending TWENTY MILLION AD PER DAY.....that alone screams exploiter at me. Or at least partaking of the ill gotten gains of the exploiters, which labels you guilty by association, in my book.
And last but not least....you spent all that money....yet nothing on founder or guardian packs. And your forum account was created yesterday. I'm sorry, but you have no credibility to me. And you should have none to anyone with half a brain cell.
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nix0rMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 5Arc User
1000 divided by 1.25 = 800. You've opened over eight. Hundred. Boxes.
Son, I've been playing since the first day of open beta and I haven't had that many boxes DROP FOR ME. I've sold every single lockbox drop on the auction house for 100 AD, and I've made perhaps...and it's a GENEROUS estimate at that.....five thousand AD.
You buy KEYS with zen, lockboxes with AD. If you've sunk that much of your AD into gamble boxes.....and then sunk that much money into them...seek help. Gamblers Anonymous.
Furthermore...spending that much money on what the company INSISTS is an open beta product(which means it's incomplete and not functioning properly)is YOUR fault and stupidity.
If you were spending TWENTY MILLION AD PER DAY.....that alone screams exploiter at me. Or at least partaking of the ill gotten gains of the exploiters, which labels you guilty by association, in my book.
And last but not least....you spent all that money....yet nothing on founder or guardian packs. And your forum account was created yesterday. I'm sorry, but you have no credibility to me. And you should have none to anyone with half a brain cell.
Huh? I am banned I can't log in on my main account. Are you just a troll or something?
My Main account is kyxoan. I bought the 200$ founder pack and over $1000 in zen. I then took whatever lockbox contents I got and sold it on the auction house for AD, traded AD for zen and bought more keys for more boxes. I opened probably close to 3000 boxes this week alone. (this last week).
What exactly screams exploiter to you?
Also I'm sorry if you can't use a little bit of adaptive reading skills. I said I opened over $1000 USD in boxes so far, Opened being the key word, What opens a lock? a Key! I didn't think I really had to spell it out for you for the fear that you would read word for word and make a trollish assumption like you just did.
I'm not sure exactly what you are mad at, but you need to use a little common sense so you can at least be angry at the correct thing, because I have done nothing to you.
I had not claimed all my AD from HoTN and Guardian packs and now am unable to claim my AD because this is associated with the exchange. Is there any work around this? I can understand why the exchange is down but I do need my AD. Perhaps giving the ability to claim AD from the Founder Merchant would be a good work around? And don't associate with the exchange market?
The fact that PWE sold Zen for RW money during "Open Beta" is the issue.
Forget all the stuff that happened in the game to the AD and AH. That is just distracting from the real issue here which is greed getting the better of good gaming design and testing. If you are having people test something (Beta) don't tell them you aren't going to fix issues when they arise. (Full Wipe and Reset of Toons and Servers)
PWE won't fix it correctly (wipe) because they would have to issue refunds for all the Zen sales they made.
There is little to no chance that they are going to give money back if they can find any other sort of fix that will appease the community despite the fact that they have a broken economy otherwise.
Me personally? I'm minimally invested in this game as my highest toon is just level 20. I'm going to wait for a new server to be implemented and start over there when it goes live as there is no way I can compete economically with the exploiters and all the innocents who benefitted unknowingly from the exploiters.
This is one helluva first forum post for any MMORPG I've ever played and I've been at it since UO...
@jukejointjezebel "It is not enough to sit by the hearth with kin, to speak of adventures past, battles won and roads traveled. Often, we must take sword and dagger, ally and kin to blaze a trail through dangers - known and unknown. The end of one adventure... Is nothing more than the start of another. I shall not speak of my past trials, I shall instead take up blade in honor, in defense of the lands I travel. To keep them from what I have known - To protect them from the evens that shall come"
I kinda accidentally saved over the original image of that but I have a few other SS similar... so when I re-work it to be more legible I'll have to make sure I make copies of the other images like that. I hit one of the duplicate pet glitches and sprinted off to take screenshots. It took me a few hours to get the timing right with both kitties roaring at the same time (as well as one or two with both sitting up.) Also submitted them a bug report on what I did prior to logging out that I ended up with two of them. I hope this bug gets fixed - they both would fight in combat if I had been fighting - but I almost want another glitch up so I can race off and get a few more SS.
On topic again: I think the people screaming for roll backs are the vocal minority. Like with a lot of the other games there are many of us that log in, play and rarely if ever find our way onto the forums. I'm fairly sure PWE has taken that into account and most likely hesitated over doing even the 7 hour roll back. I do expect that data was saved somewhere as they are most likely going through logs on transactions made during that time frame. I think their best action would to restore the currency/items that were farmed but I am not counting on it. Submit your tickets for items and things lost, and keep playing if you enjoy it - or move on if its not possible anymore. Short of a full character wipe they have my attention.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
/Channel_Join NW_Legit_Community to run Dungeons without the exploits
And also, just because you seem to have riled up people and made them think you burned me, disregarding the fact that I used the word "OVER" $1000...
$50 gives you 5300 zen
5300 zen * 20 (1000 / 50) = 106000
106000 / 1125 = 94.22222
So I opened ~ 940 boxes with Zen purchased keys, profits from those boxes were then recycled from AD into Zen again and used to purchase more boxes.
I'm unaware what you selling lockboxes for 100 AD has to do with anything, but I purchase my boxes for 200 AD from the wondrous bazaar.
I was opening roughly 500 boxes a day after a night / day of selling contents from the previous night. Each 500 boxes opened would yield ~ 2 inferno mounts and 2 twilight mounts (purchased with bars).
Inferno mounts were selling for 1.1 million, twlight 2.2 million, I was making 6.6 million off of 4 items. Then you factor in 700k per hero, 60k per adventurer, 25k per man at arms, 15k per simple weapon, all my my enchantments converted from R1 - 6 into 7 and sold.
Radiants at 700k a pop, dark at 400k a pop, azure at 325k a pop, silvery at 150k a pop.
Plague fire enchantments turned into greaters with free coalescent wards from leadership packs which sell for 2.5 m each
Teneborous sold for 100k each (the normal one, not lesser or greater)
And any other random stuff I got, phoeras, runes, etc.
I do not see what is screaming exploitation here? My mail box still has all of its mail, they can check my sales if they wish. I did nothing wrong. Again I apologize if you are angry at me, I have no idea what I did to you.
Oh and I also forgot, out of the 500 boxes I would get ~ 120 idols which give an auto 40k AD per or 4.8 million AD returned instantly for a 20 million AD investment.
And also, just because you seem to have riled up people and made them think you burned me, disregarding the fact that I used the word "OVER" $1000...
$50 gives you 5300 zen
5300 zen * 20 (1000 / 50) = 106000
106000 / 1125 = 94.22222
So I opened ~ 940 boxes with Zen purchased keys, profits from those boxes were then recycled from AD into Zen again and used to purchase more boxes.
I'm unaware what you selling lockboxes for 100 AD has to do with anything, but I purchase my boxes for 200 AD from the wondrous bazaar.
I was opening roughly 500 boxes a day after a night / day of selling contents from the previous night. Each 500 boxes opened would yield ~ 2 inferno mounts and 2 twilight mounts (purchased with bars).
Inferno mounts were selling for 1.1 million, twlight 2.2 million, I was making 6.6 million off of 4 items. Then you factor in 700k per hero, 60k per adventurer, 25k per man at arms, 15k per simple weapon, all my my enchantments converted from R1 - 6 into 7 and sold.
Radiants at 700k a pop, dark at 400k a pop, azure at 325k a pop, silvery at 150k a pop.
Plague fire enchantments turned into greaters with free coalescent wards from leadership packs which sell for 2.5 m each
Teneborous sold for 100k each (the normal one, not lesser or greater)
And any other random stuff I got, phoeras, runes, etc.
I do not see what is screaming exploitation here? My mail box still has all of its mail, they can check my sales if they wish. I did nothing wrong. Again I apologize if you are angry at me, I have no idea what I did to you.
Oh and I also forgot, out of the 500 boxes I would get ~ 120 idols which give an auto 40k AD per or 4.8 million AD returned instantly for a 20 million AD investment.
The mere fact that you spent time to do all this "math" to justify yourself on an internet forum is......amazing. And damning.
Also, the mere fact that you spent a thousand dollars of mommy and daddy's money to get these things means someone's getting grounded soon, because if you were a reasonable adult without a gambling addiction, you certainly must be a thirteen year old with the parent's money.
You've done nothing to me, personally, I agree. I'm not -angry- with you, either. I'm merely pointing out the holes I see in what I perceive to be a fallacious story. No malice aforethought here.
The fact that PWE sold Zen for RW money during "Open Beta" is the issue.
Forget all the stuff that happened in the game to the AD and AH. That is just distracting from the real issue here which is greed getting the better of good gaming design and testing. If you are having people test something (Beta) don't tell them you aren't going to fix issues when they arise. (Full Wipe and Reset of Toons and Servers)
PWE won't fix it correctly (wipe) because they would have to issue refunds for all the Zen sales they made.
There is little to no chance that they are going to give money back if they can find any other sort of fix that will appease the community despite the fact that they have a broken economy otherwise.
Me personally? I'm minimally invested in this game as my highest toon is just level 20. I'm going to wait for a new server to be implemented and start over there when it goes live as there is no way I can compete economically with the exploiters and all the innocents who benefitted unknowingly from the exploiters.
This is one helluva first forum post for any MMORPG I've ever played and I've been at it since UO...
PWE wouldn't have to issue refunds, just restore the Zen on the servers, last time I checked you purchased Zen with real money and so long as the Zen is returned after a wipe PWE are not obligated to refund anyone.
The mere fact that you spent time to do all this "math" to justify yourself on an internet forum is......amazing. And damning.
Also, the mere fact that you spent a thousand dollars of mommy and daddy's money to get these things means someone's getting grounded soon, because if you were a reasonable adult without a gambling addiction, you certainly must be a thirteen year old with the parent's money.
You've done nothing to me, personally, I agree. I'm not -angry- with you, either. I'm merely pointing out the holes I see in what I perceive to be a fallacious story. No malice aforethought here.
Yet you attempt to insult my age?
I'm 25 years old with a full time job and play poker on the side. $1000 is not a big deal. I enjoy the game, I enjoy my guild and yes, I love to gamble. Although if you buy lockboxes in volume, there is really no gamble. The ROI is high enough that you always profit from them. The only random factor is, will you profit 1 million or 5 million.
And I didn't really have to do math, I've been selling the contents of lockboxes for over 2 weeks, starting with about 50 or so a night and ending at 500 a night. The prices remained generally the same and as I said, I play poker and I work in the IT field, numbers are my friend.
I broke it down for you so you can see that I am not an exploiter. I have no reason to exploit, spending the amount of money I did (while it isn't a big deal) I still don't want to be out $1000 after a week for doing something stupid. I had like 20 million AD sitting on me when I logged in yesterday, why do I have to exploit? I already have full PVP gear with full enchantments.
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jukejointjezebelMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
@jukejointjezebel "It is not enough to sit by the hearth with kin, to speak of adventures past, battles won and roads traveled. Often, we must take sword and dagger, ally and kin to blaze a trail through dangers - known and unknown. The end of one adventure... Is nothing more than the start of another. I shall not speak of my past trials, I shall instead take up blade in honor, in defense of the lands I travel. To keep them from what I have known - To protect them from the evens that shall come"
I kinda accidentally saved over the original image of that but I have a few other SS similar... so when I re-work it to be more legible I'll have to make sure I make copies of the other images like that. I hit one of the duplicate pet glitches and sprinted off to take screenshots. It took me a few hours to get the timing right with both kitties roaring at the same time (as well as one or two with both sitting up.) Also submitted them a bug report on what I did prior to logging out that I ended up with two of them. I hope this bug gets fixed - they both would fight in combat if I had been fighting - but I almost want another glitch up so I can race off and get a few more SS.
On topic again: I think the people screaming for roll backs are the vocal minority. Like with a lot of the other games there are many of us that log in, play and rarely if ever find our way onto the forums. I'm fairly sure PWE has taken that into account and most likely hesitated over doing even the 7 hour roll back. I do expect that data was saved somewhere as they are most likely going through logs on transactions made during that time frame. I think their best action would to restore the currency/items that were farmed but I am not counting on it. Submit your tickets for items and things lost, and keep playing if you enjoy it - or move on if its not possible anymore. Short of a full character wipe they have my attention.
Now that's lovely. Fantastic timing on the SS: well worth the time spent!
Ah, well. Everything you say makes sense. Unfortunately, the minority also tends to be the most vocal, and thus the most visible. Be it politics, abortion, religion, or.. gaming. The loud folk can make their numbers seem exponentially larger than they actually are. I'm with you: short of a full wipe, I'm staying on board (assuming that something really crazy doesn't happen.) It's funny- Diablo just recently had a big problem with their market. I haven't seen nearly as much of an uproar about it, and it's not even in "open beta" anymore (I think.)
I'm 25 years old with a full time job and play poker on the side. $1000 is not a big deal. I enjoy the game, I enjoy my guild and yes, I love to gamble. Although if you buy lockboxes in volume, there is really no gamble. The ROI is high enough that you always profit from them. The only random factor is, will you profit 1 million or 5 million.
And I didn't really have to do math, I've been selling the contents of lockboxes for over 2 weeks, starting with about 50 or so a night and ending at 500 a night. The prices remained generally the same and as I said, I play poker and I work in the IT field, numbers are my friend.
I broke it down for you so you can see that I am not an exploiter. I have no reason to exploit, spending the amount of money I did (while it isn't a big deal) I still don't want to be out $1000 after a week for doing something stupid. I had like 20 million AD sitting on me when I logged in yesterday, why do I have to exploit? I already have full PVP gear with full enchantments.
Your reply was too level headed. You should have at least thrown in one or two racial slurs and perhaps made a remark about how the other guy is racially inferior / genetically inferior.
Hope you find resolution in the matter. It's actually pretty interesting what you did and thank you for sharing the math .
Your reply was too level headed. You should have at least thrown in one or two racial slurs and perhaps made a remark about how the other guy is racially inferior / genetically inferior.
Hope you find resolution in the matter. It's actually pretty interesting what you did and thank you for sharing the math .
Yea, thats not my cup of tea. I just want to play the game. What really surprises me though is that there are not more people talking about being banned, even the ones that knew they were going to be banned. You would think that they would be here spamming OMG WHY BAN ME?
Perhaps there really was a PHP script blocking my IP. When I first tried to log in when banned, I could not access the forums from my account or logged out. I switched my IP and made a new account and was able to access the forum. Very strange, I wonder if it was PW trying to block people from talking about being banned?
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Edit: you are by no means the only one experiencing this I'm sure so the amount of traffic they are getting is fu*king massive.
And you're kidding yourself if you think that was the point I was trying to make.
Occam's Razor makes the cutting clean.
That's pretty much how I feel about it. I lost 11 coins between my two characters, as well as some AD from the AH. But all in all, it's a game. I'd probably feel the same if I were having issues with Zen, as several people are. But that's when you send in tickets, and contact them using social media. Give them a chance to fix it, keeping in mind that they are likely being slammed right now. If they don't fix it in a reasonable timeframe, taking into account these variables, THEN I'd be pissed. The poor bastiches were in on a weekend, late night, trying to deal with this, all while people were screaming about downtime, screaming that they should have left the game up while they fixed the AH (!?!?), screaming that there were too many updates with not enough information, or too darn few updates at all. And the poor social media guy. @_@; At least it -looks- like they are trying to do something. We'll see what happens in the next few days and weeks. But complaining and ragequitting without even giving them a chance to work with you is absurd. Not the kind of people I'd be interested in playing with in any case, so maybe it's for the best, eh?
Completely off topic, but what does your sig image say? It looks nifty. ^_^
Do you really -reasonably- expect them to respond quickly? These people are getting -slammed- right now on top of dealing with the fallout from all of this insanity. And you want them to immediately see your ticket, one among hundreds, and respond to it favorably and immediately?
Come on now. Be reasonable.
My worry is that I do not see more forum posts about this. The only thing I can think of is someone bought an item off me with duped money (I sell a lot of big enchantments / horses (I've opened over $1000 USD in boxes so far)) or it saw I was spending 20 million AD a day in ZEN to open more boxes and reselling the contents to buy more.
Besides that I have no idea how I could get flagged to b e banned because I was on for literally 10 minutes yesterday.
You spend 1.3 thousand dollars on a game and tell me what kind of service you want. I've been auto calling their support number all day and have yet to get a person.
I was wrongly banned, I want to be unbanned, it is pretty simple.
Obviously I want good service, and of course you want to be unbanned. Here's the thing:
They only have so many hands on deck. They probably should call in some temps for basic support, considering the circumstances. But they only have so many people to handle the influx of tickets they are getting. It's not even been 24 hours since the game has been back up. Give them a chance to actually GET to your ticket. Complaining about it in the forum isn't helping, at all, and you're just riling yourself up even more. Give them a chance to do their jobs. You don't know how many people set tickets prior to the sending of yours, and you have no idea how much money -they- spent on the game. Just give them a chance to deal with it before you call them out for "bad service".
Personally, I'm wondering what number you're calling. According to the "community manager" (read as; poor bastich dealing with social media) on the NW Twitter account last night, there is no support number. Support is limited to tickets. If you have a legit support number, please share. o_O
Never happen, nor do they need to. If you don't trust them to do as they say, why spend money on their product?
I'll explain. In Perfect World's Terms of Service, there's this part called "User Conduct". It's easily found if you go looking, but I'll copy/paste the pertinent section here for you.
PWE may take any actions and impose any penalties we deem necessary to discourage and punish any violation of these terms or any other illegal or inappropriate conduct, all without prior notice or warning. The determination as to whether a violation has occurred and who is responsible for such act is solely within PWE's discretion, and is based on what we deem best for the community and the Website. By using the Website, you agree you will be bound by PWE's determination as to whether a violation has occurred and any penalty we choose to implement.
So you see, by posting here you're agreeing to whatever method they choose and acknowledging that you trust them to maintain their business.
I refer you to the above quoted missive from the ToS.
You've obviously not dealt with Cryptic very much. They're not too famous for being communicative on patches, progress notes, upcoming content, etc. Heck, their first and what SHOULD be their most prized possession, Champions Online hasn't had a state of the game since July. OF 2012!!! Take that into consideration and chew on it a bit.
Again, it'll never happen, nor do they need to do anything.
Honestly, if you don't trust Cryptic or PWE.....WHY ARE YOU EVEN HERE. Leave. Don't let the doorknob hitcha where the good Lord splitcha.
I'm no "fanboi". I have my own issues with Cryptic and Jack Emmert, but I've put those aside, because they don't really matter here, in these forums. Nor do they figure in on my enjoyment of a product the company and its workers have put out.
I log in, play a while, have fun, then log out. Simple. None of this has affected me in the least, and -MY- astral diamonds haven't devalued at all, because I don't use the exchange. I spend them on ID scrolls, and daily prayers in the game ensure I have more than enough for that. I don't buy stuff off the market, because I'll never have that kind of AD to toss around. I'm not about to grind away my time like that in the game. It's not fun to me.
If I feel like making a zen store purchase, then I will. It's almost guaranteed I will, once the game is officially "live" and available through steam, so I can keep my purchases all though one medium.
My zen will never devalue either, because all I'll use them for is zen store purchases, and not exchanges.
For all those wanting a wipe, I suggest this. Delete all your characters. Then uninstall the game. There's your wipe. Don't take away MY fun.
Occam's Razor makes the cutting clean.
That's kind of...sneaky.
1000 divided by 1.25 = 800. You've opened over eight. Hundred. Boxes.
Son, I've been playing since the first day of open beta and I haven't had that many boxes DROP FOR ME. I've sold every single lockbox drop on the auction house for 100 AD, and I've made perhaps...and it's a GENEROUS estimate at that.....five thousand AD.
You buy KEYS with zen, lockboxes with AD. If you've sunk that much of your AD into gamble boxes.....and then sunk that much money into them...seek help. Gamblers Anonymous.
Furthermore...spending that much money on what the company INSISTS is an open beta product(which means it's incomplete and not functioning properly)is YOUR fault and stupidity.
If you were spending TWENTY MILLION AD PER DAY.....that alone screams exploiter at me. Or at least partaking of the ill gotten gains of the exploiters, which labels you guilty by association, in my book.
And last but not least....you spent all that money....yet nothing on founder or guardian packs. And your forum account was created yesterday. I'm sorry, but you have no credibility to me. And you should have none to anyone with half a brain cell.
Occam's Razor makes the cutting clean.
Hear hear! well said my friend, well said...
I'm not that stupid or impulsive. No sympathy here. Seek help for your addiction.
Occam's Razor makes the cutting clean.
My Main account is kyxoan. I bought the 200$ founder pack and over $1000 in zen. I then took whatever lockbox contents I got and sold it on the auction house for AD, traded AD for zen and bought more keys for more boxes. I opened probably close to 3000 boxes this week alone. (this last week).
What exactly screams exploiter to you?
Also I'm sorry if you can't use a little bit of adaptive reading skills. I said I opened over $1000 USD in boxes so far, Opened being the key word, What opens a lock? a Key! I didn't think I really had to spell it out for you for the fear that you would read word for word and make a trollish assumption like you just did.
I'm not sure exactly what you are mad at, but you need to use a little common sense so you can at least be angry at the correct thing, because I have done nothing to you.
Forget all the stuff that happened in the game to the AD and AH. That is just distracting from the real issue here which is greed getting the better of good gaming design and testing. If you are having people test something (Beta) don't tell them you aren't going to fix issues when they arise. (Full Wipe and Reset of Toons and Servers)
PWE won't fix it correctly (wipe) because they would have to issue refunds for all the Zen sales they made.
There is little to no chance that they are going to give money back if they can find any other sort of fix that will appease the community despite the fact that they have a broken economy otherwise.
Me personally? I'm minimally invested in this game as my highest toon is just level 20. I'm going to wait for a new server to be implemented and start over there when it goes live as there is no way I can compete economically with the exploiters and all the innocents who benefitted unknowingly from the exploiters.
This is one helluva first forum post for any MMORPG I've ever played and I've been at it since UO...
I kinda accidentally saved over the original image of that but I have a few other SS similar... so when I re-work it to be more legible I'll have to make sure I make copies of the other images like that. I hit one of the duplicate pet glitches and sprinted off to take screenshots. It took me a few hours to get the timing right with both kitties roaring at the same time (as well as one or two with both sitting up.) Also submitted them a bug report on what I did prior to logging out that I ended up with two of them. I hope this bug gets fixed - they both would fight in combat if I had been fighting - but I almost want another glitch up so I can race off and get a few more SS.
On topic again: I think the people screaming for roll backs are the vocal minority. Like with a lot of the other games there are many of us that log in, play and rarely if ever find our way onto the forums. I'm fairly sure PWE has taken that into account and most likely hesitated over doing even the 7 hour roll back. I do expect that data was saved somewhere as they are most likely going through logs on transactions made during that time frame. I think their best action would to restore the currency/items that were farmed but I am not counting on it. Submit your tickets for items and things lost, and keep playing if you enjoy it - or move on if its not possible anymore. Short of a full character wipe they have my attention.
$50 gives you 5300 zen
5300 zen * 20 (1000 / 50) = 106000
106000 / 1125 = 94.22222
So I opened ~ 940 boxes with Zen purchased keys, profits from those boxes were then recycled from AD into Zen again and used to purchase more boxes.
I'm unaware what you selling lockboxes for 100 AD has to do with anything, but I purchase my boxes for 200 AD from the wondrous bazaar.
I was opening roughly 500 boxes a day after a night / day of selling contents from the previous night. Each 500 boxes opened would yield ~ 2 inferno mounts and 2 twilight mounts (purchased with bars).
Inferno mounts were selling for 1.1 million, twlight 2.2 million, I was making 6.6 million off of 4 items. Then you factor in 700k per hero, 60k per adventurer, 25k per man at arms, 15k per simple weapon, all my my enchantments converted from R1 - 6 into 7 and sold.
Radiants at 700k a pop, dark at 400k a pop, azure at 325k a pop, silvery at 150k a pop.
Plague fire enchantments turned into greaters with free coalescent wards from leadership packs which sell for 2.5 m each
Teneborous sold for 100k each (the normal one, not lesser or greater)
And any other random stuff I got, phoeras, runes, etc.
I do not see what is screaming exploitation here? My mail box still has all of its mail, they can check my sales if they wish. I did nothing wrong. Again I apologize if you are angry at me, I have no idea what I did to you.
Oh and I also forgot, out of the 500 boxes I would get ~ 120 idols which give an auto 40k AD per or 4.8 million AD returned instantly for a 20 million AD investment.
The mere fact that you spent time to do all this "math" to justify yourself on an internet forum is......amazing. And damning.
Also, the mere fact that you spent a thousand dollars of mommy and daddy's money to get these things means someone's getting grounded soon, because if you were a reasonable adult without a gambling addiction, you certainly must be a thirteen year old with the parent's money.
You've done nothing to me, personally, I agree. I'm not -angry- with you, either. I'm merely pointing out the holes I see in what I perceive to be a fallacious story. No malice aforethought here.
Occam's Razor makes the cutting clean.
PWE wouldn't have to issue refunds, just restore the Zen on the servers, last time I checked you purchased Zen with real money and so long as the Zen is returned after a wipe PWE are not obligated to refund anyone.
Yet you attempt to insult my age?
I'm 25 years old with a full time job and play poker on the side. $1000 is not a big deal. I enjoy the game, I enjoy my guild and yes, I love to gamble. Although if you buy lockboxes in volume, there is really no gamble. The ROI is high enough that you always profit from them. The only random factor is, will you profit 1 million or 5 million.
And I didn't really have to do math, I've been selling the contents of lockboxes for over 2 weeks, starting with about 50 or so a night and ending at 500 a night. The prices remained generally the same and as I said, I play poker and I work in the IT field, numbers are my friend.
I broke it down for you so you can see that I am not an exploiter. I have no reason to exploit, spending the amount of money I did (while it isn't a big deal) I still don't want to be out $1000 after a week for doing something stupid. I had like 20 million AD sitting on me when I logged in yesterday, why do I have to exploit? I already have full PVP gear with full enchantments.
Now that's lovely. Fantastic timing on the SS: well worth the time spent!
Ah, well. Everything you say makes sense. Unfortunately, the minority also tends to be the most vocal, and thus the most visible. Be it politics, abortion, religion, or.. gaming. The loud folk can make their numbers seem exponentially larger than they actually are. I'm with you: short of a full wipe, I'm staying on board (assuming that something really crazy doesn't happen.) It's funny- Diablo just recently had a big problem with their market. I haven't seen nearly as much of an uproar about it, and it's not even in "open beta" anymore (I think.)
Your reply was too level headed. You should have at least thrown in one or two racial slurs and perhaps made a remark about how the other guy is racially inferior / genetically inferior.
Hope you find resolution in the matter. It's actually pretty interesting what you did and thank you for sharing the math .
Yea, thats not my cup of tea. I just want to play the game. What really surprises me though is that there are not more people talking about being banned, even the ones that knew they were going to be banned. You would think that they would be here spamming OMG WHY BAN ME?
Perhaps there really was a PHP script blocking my IP. When I first tried to log in when banned, I could not access the forums from my account or logged out. I switched my IP and made a new account and was able to access the forum. Very strange, I wonder if it was PW trying to block people from talking about being banned?