Please, WWII online, Anarchy Online, Ultima Online and SWG would love to have a word with you, and as was said before look at GW2 and D3 for recent examples of completely screwed up launches.
One thing that amazed me about this whole fiasco was the number of jackazzes that not only want to see this game fail but Cryptic to shut down, how bitter and screwed up do you have to be to actually want that, much less spend ten to fifteen hours a day on the forums trying to sway opinion.
I've seen worse (SWTOR, obviously). And I'll take frequent maintenance over none at all, any day. Mind you, the way the queues disappeared overnight was a bit suspicious....
I don't think I've seen an MMO launch with this much maintenance (every day? seriously?), this much class imbalance (useless GF/GWF, too much heal aggro, etc.), and this many exploits.
And before you say to me, oh it's not a launch its still beta, PUH-LEASE wake up and smell the roses this game is full soft launch in every way imaginable, Cryptic only calls it a beta cos they dont want to be held liable for any bugs that are found.
The last 3 mmos Cryptic put out were pretty bad at launch. But this one takes the cake.
PS: But the cake might be a lie... like the fix today.
I've seen worse (SWTOR, obviously). And I'll take frequent maintenance over none at all, any day. Mind you, the way the queues disappeared overnight was a bit suspicious....
Umm SWTOR was a great release. One of the most well-tested and bug free and trouble-free releases in history. Just because you didn't like the game don't go spreading lies.
Umm SWTOR was a great release. One of the most well-tested and bug free and trouble-free releases in history. Just because you didn't like the game don't go spreading lies.
sarcasm I hope? I was with SWTOR from day one. It was a very rough ride.
sarcasm I hope? I was with SWTOR from day one. It was a very rough ride.
I was there before day one. It was pretty **** good. The experience was fine up till I got to Illum and went WTF 2FPS on a freaking new rig? Dafuq's dat shieet? OMG HAMSTER LIGHTNING EVERYWHERE. Rage quit.
I think the worst mmo launch of all time is Final Fantasy 14
Yea. that was pretty bad, but I still remember WoW days. log in issues, lags, roll back. good times! (vanilla launch) it has been so long ago, my memory may have muddle a bit, but it was wasn't as pretty as someone post it.
Blows my mind how people are still duped by this "open beta" ploy from Cryptic.
By the way, I'm selling some really good swamp-front property in Arizona on the cheap.
While I agree that Cryptic taking your money boils down to teh game being 'released' I have to wonder what signifying factor this has on people? What does it truly matter if the game is released or in 'open beta' other than terminology.
For me, open beta means that they should not be taking paying customer's money for the ZEN shop and that the ZEN shop and Zen exchange should not be functional in game. The only money they should take is in the 'Founder's packs' which is kinda like 'Pre-orders'. Gives people buying into the game something special that non-payers (or non-backers) would not have access to. It's a special pat of the back for backing the game earlier on its release.
Release means, well, exactly the state the game is in now. Functional Zen store as well as Cryptic taking your money. Downtime and maintenance in the early release of a game is quite common, and I honestly wouldn't expect any less than what Cryptic has been doing to 'fix' issues as they arise. However, by applying this 'Open Beta but we still take your money ploy' makes me wonder just what it is they are trying to pull?
Aside from being wary at their status of calling the game 'Open beta' it affects me none at all. Why are people so torqued over whether the game is 'Open Beta' or Live?
I was there before day one. It was pretty **** good. The experience was fine up till I got to Illum and went WTF 2FPS on a freaking new rig? Dafuq's dat shieet? OMG HAMSTER LIGHTNING EVERYWHERE. Rage quit.
Yea I had no problems either. I know, well knew, several people at Bioware. Only one remains. The game was poor at end-game but the feedback they got from players before end-game was all very good. They failed to keep people interested at max level or failed to create incentives to group - that is what killed the game.
Technically the game was rock solid even during early beta cycles.
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luther8Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
swtor was great when it came to leveling, it was the end game that made me quit it, no group find or anything made it too much of a pain.
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How many of those other MMO's actually devalued the RL money and/or time you had in the game? How many of them forced rollbacks on the players? How many charged RL money while in Beta? How many of those MMOs could you defraud the auction house in and get as much money as you wanted in just a couple of second? How many had a class that could one hit bosses? How many had players with hundreds of pieces of top tier gear in just a couple of weeks. How many have totally destroyed their economy before the game is even live?
We know all MMO's are going to have a queue for the first week thats just MMOs. We know they will have minor bugs like being unable to finish a quest. D3 was bad but not as bad as people try to make out! Simcity was terrible and still is so maybe the worst. WoW was 8 years ago when people were still learning what to expect with an MMO launch. I don't know if NW is the worst launch but its not pretty!
Gee lets see, RoM, RFO, All odds, Aika, Prius and every facebook browser mmo to name a few.
I think the worst mmo launch of all time is Final Fantasy 14
FF14 failed due to simply bland combat and no content. No real gamebreaking exploits or glitches really, FF14 just got boring. (except maybe the using enhancing magic to level exploit in the beginning, but that was quickly dealt with).
I am going to assume you were never there for the Diablo 3 launch...If you think this is bad, you must be new to MMO's
This is hitting the nail on the head pretty **** well. In fairness, though, the Diablo 3 launch problem wasn't because of lazy development. The exploit was pretty much caused because the Devs forgot the literal basics of programming and database management.
And one of the admins has gone on record saying that 'THis is a known issue, the game is in Open Beta'
But what does this mean to you? Why do you care whether it is in Open Beta or Live?
Doesnt matter to me. Nice to know the site has it's share of bugs too though. IMO the second they went into open beta with the promise of "no more wipes" means the game should be in a stable enough condition that huge exploits like this don't happen. Especially if they're taking people's money.
I realize that some things slip through, but there have been 4 major game breaking exploits in just 3 weeks. That is simply ridiculous.
firnynMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
LOL... not at all, Aion had a pretty bad launch. oh and lets not forget SWToR, that game tanked because the developer team didn't fix the bugs.. oh warhammer online, failed due to exploits that were'nt fixed... Anarchy online almost lost everyone on opening day due to server issues. Age of Conan lost 50% of its player base due to graphics errors no that 1 was funny.. lol.. and everyone's favorite WoW which on its launch day had so many server problems and glitches and exploits that the entire player base left after 1 week, so blizzard sent out an email to all the players that bought the game and gave them 3 months free in order to keep the game alive( i know i was there and i played for a year after launch ). so this being a bad launch.. not at all.. lol i think Cryptic is doing a dam good job so far i like what they are doing.. if you don't quit throwing your fit and GO BACK TO WoW
I thought SWTOR was fairly decent. Until you got to the CF known as Ilum.
Other than that their main issue was they went insane with server additions and they had some of the worst faction balancing to exist in an mmo. Well...and their stubbornness did them in with other issues such as having a group finder
Maybe SWTOR is a bit unfair but then again people saying NWO is a disaster is far more unfair. SWTOR clearly had boring game mechanics stolen from WoW from the get go. The only good thing about SWTOR was the storyline... woot, that game is pretty much already dead and it all came down to them focusing on the wrong areas. The gameplay was at a level World of Warcraft was at 5 years prior, you can't beat WoW by just cloning it with a Sci-Fi theme and getting a Star Wars license on it.
All the other games I listed Definitely had far worse starts than NWO, in the long term a couple of those may not fail even if they deserve too *cough*diablo3*cough*simcity*cough*. But there are other MMORPGs still around that IMHO also had a worse start than NWO like LOTRO for example.
I'm say it now and I may end out eating my own words, TES: O will have teething issues too!
Making a product or service available to the general public for a monetary amount is a product RELEASE. They can call it what they want to try and keep the fanboy's at bay but in the eyes of our consumer protection laws what they call their release DOES NOT MATTER ONE BIT.
Hilarious that so many people are still duped by Cryptic's "this is open beta" tag to justify not having done adequate testing or capacity planning.
Its clueless lemmings like this that allow releases like this to become the norm.
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Oh Nozorz!!! worst launch eva!!!!!! :rolleyes:
Please, WWII online, Anarchy Online, Ultima Online and SWG would love to have a word with you, and as was said before look at GW2 and D3 for recent examples of completely screwed up launches.
One thing that amazed me about this whole fiasco was the number of jackazzes that not only want to see this game fail but Cryptic to shut down, how bitter and screwed up do you have to be to actually want that, much less spend ten to fifteen hours a day on the forums trying to sway opinion.
Hell no...
LOL just no...
The last 3 mmos Cryptic put out were pretty bad at launch. But this one takes the cake.
PS: But the cake might be a lie... like the fix today.
Taking my money = RELEASE. Deal with it.
Blows my mind how people are still duped by this "open beta" ploy from Cryptic.
By the way, I'm selling some really good swamp-front property in Arizona on the cheap.
Umm SWTOR was a great release. One of the most well-tested and bug free and trouble-free releases in history. Just because you didn't like the game don't go spreading lies.
"Exploit as much as you can and do it early. Playing the legit way is dumb by their standards".
Never heard of it?
Wonder why...
Can't say no to Vanguard. Also Mortal Online.
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sarcasm I hope? I was with SWTOR from day one. It was a very rough ride.
Please review my campaign and I'll return the favor.
Quest I
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Short code: NW-DGTN72HYL
I was there before day one. It was pretty **** good. The experience was fine up till I got to Illum and went WTF 2FPS on a freaking new rig? Dafuq's dat shieet? OMG HAMSTER LIGHTNING EVERYWHERE. Rage quit.
Oh, by the way... just to cheer you up. Check out this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2F3ZWEEbF4
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Yea. that was pretty bad, but I still remember WoW days. log in issues, lags, roll back. good times!
Please review my campaign and I'll return the favor.
While I agree that Cryptic taking your money boils down to teh game being 'released' I have to wonder what signifying factor this has on people? What does it truly matter if the game is released or in 'open beta' other than terminology.
For me, open beta means that they should not be taking paying customer's money for the ZEN shop and that the ZEN shop and Zen exchange should not be functional in game. The only money they should take is in the 'Founder's packs' which is kinda like 'Pre-orders'. Gives people buying into the game something special that non-payers (or non-backers) would not have access to. It's a special pat of the back for backing the game earlier on its release.
Release means, well, exactly the state the game is in now. Functional Zen store as well as Cryptic taking your money. Downtime and maintenance in the early release of a game is quite common, and I honestly wouldn't expect any less than what Cryptic has been doing to 'fix' issues as they arise. However, by applying this 'Open Beta but we still take your money ploy' makes me wonder just what it is they are trying to pull?
Aside from being wary at their status of calling the game 'Open beta' it affects me none at all. Why are people so torqued over whether the game is 'Open Beta' or Live?
Yea I had no problems either. I know, well knew, several people at Bioware. Only one remains. The game was poor at end-game but the feedback they got from players before end-game was all very good. They failed to keep people interested at max level or failed to create incentives to group - that is what killed the game.
Technically the game was rock solid even during early beta cycles.
Quest I
The Mysteries at Fang Ridge!
Short code: NW-DGTN72HYL
I know this is 11 pages back but...
Gee lets see, RoM, RFO, All odds, Aika, Prius and every facebook browser mmo to name a few.
FF14 failed due to simply bland combat and no content. No real gamebreaking exploits or glitches really, FF14 just got boring. (except maybe the using enhancing magic to level exploit in the beginning, but that was quickly dealt with).
NW is worse IMO. Much worse.
And one of the admins has gone on record saying that 'THis is a known issue, the game is in Open Beta'
But what does this mean to you? Why do you care whether it is in Open Beta or Live?
Oh, what a wonderful gaming life you must have.
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This is hitting the nail on the head pretty **** well. In fairness, though, the Diablo 3 launch problem wasn't because of lazy development. The exploit was pretty much caused because the Devs forgot the literal basics of programming and database management.
Doesnt matter to me. Nice to know the site has it's share of bugs too though. IMO the second they went into open beta with the promise of "no more wipes" means the game should be in a stable enough condition that huge exploits like this don't happen. Especially if they're taking people's money.
I realize that some things slip through, but there have been 4 major game breaking exploits in just 3 weeks. That is simply ridiculous.
Yes. And it's still a success.
Maybe SWTOR is a bit unfair but then again people saying NWO is a disaster is far more unfair. SWTOR clearly had boring game mechanics stolen from WoW from the get go. The only good thing about SWTOR was the storyline... woot, that game is pretty much already dead and it all came down to them focusing on the wrong areas. The gameplay was at a level World of Warcraft was at 5 years prior, you can't beat WoW by just cloning it with a Sci-Fi theme and getting a Star Wars license on it.
All the other games I listed Definitely had far worse starts than NWO, in the long term a couple of those may not fail even if they deserve too *cough*diablo3*cough*simcity*cough*. But there are other MMORPGs still around that IMHO also had a worse start than NWO like LOTRO for example.
I'm say it now and I may end out eating my own words, TES: O will have teething issues too!
Hahahaha double wrong.
Making a product or service available to the general public for a monetary amount is a product RELEASE. They can call it what they want to try and keep the fanboy's at bay but in the eyes of our consumer protection laws what they call their release DOES NOT MATTER ONE BIT.
Hilarious that so many people are still duped by Cryptic's "this is open beta" tag to justify not having done adequate testing or capacity planning.
Its clueless lemmings like this that allow releases like this to become the norm.