I find this experiment very interesting. Wish more of these make it to the auction house at regular intervals (not exactly this companion but very unique stuff). Also given that cryptic has stuff like this going in for max ad, that's a monumental win irrespective of what I think it's worth or for that matter what anyone else does.
developers need to set a buyout price of 100 million
and a new one hits the market immediately
bet they would sell quite alot in a short amount of time
Doubt it will sell quickly anymore, but they should have set a buyout at the 100m limit and auto repost. I guess they didn't expect it to hit the limit.
How much did the 2nd knox sell for? I assume the one I see now is the 3rd auction and with 3 days left it is at 15.7m bid.
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plasticbatMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 12,355Arc User
developers need to set a buyout price of 100 million
and a new one hits the market immediately
bet they would sell quite alot in a short amount of time
Doubt it will sell quickly anymore, but they should have set a buyout at the 100m limit and auto repost. I guess they didn't expect it to hit the limit.
How much did the 2nd knox sell for? I assume the one I see now is the 3rd auction and with 3 days left it is at 15.7m bid.
I think the 2nd one was sold for 40 something millions.
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developers need to set a buyout price of 100 million
and a new one hits the market immediately
bet they would sell quite alot in a short amount of time
Doubt it will sell quickly anymore, but they should have set a buyout at the 100m limit and auto repost. I guess they didn't expect it to hit the limit.
How much did the 2nd knox sell for? I assume the one I see now is the 3rd auction and with 3 days left it is at 15.7m bid.
I think the 2nd one was sold for 40 something millions.
Thanks to #NOWORRIES Cryptic Developer... : I thought that is was neutral... Maybe u can also say to people how much Ad's I have on Bank and how much zens ?
I have bought this companion (NOT for 51 500 000 but its MY problem) and my decision is to try to resell this.
I'm a seller and there are buyers. But now thanks to developer everybody know the start sell price
What are you talking about, noworries just indicated for how much the 2nd Knox was sold exactly, which is an information everyone that paid attention to the final seconds of the auction have, it has nothing to do with you and your money.
Thanks to #NOWORRIES Cryptic Developer... : I thought that is was neutral... Maybe u can also say to people how much Ad's I have on Bank and how much zens ?
I have bought this companion (NOT for 51 500 000 but its MY problem) and my decision is to try to resell this.
I'm a seller and there are buyers. But now thanks to developer everybody know the start sell price
And it's higher than what was assumed, so it is in your favor... Now instead of thinking it should go for 45m, it 'can' start at 55m.
everyone that paid attention to the final seconds of the auction have
If they wanted to know... but now everybody know
Doing any bussines brings a risk - you may not like it but you have to eat it. No worries if not the devs then some1 else will keep the list of sold Knoxes updated. And no worries forum users presents - not sure 5% of total game populations - not all of them even look at that thread, so with time you finally sell it.
Not sure what Cryptic devs wanted to achieve with such sale, but I guess they failed.
Techniclly speking its a AD sink as it really takes AD out of the system. Thing is the amount of ADs taken that way is nearly insignificant. Some may say that last sold Knox was worth of 515 players daily AD refine cap. OK auction lasts 5 days. So you still wanna call it a sink worth mentioning? And it not even touching AD already overflowing a system.
Ok - so maybe it was a kind of a bait for hoarders?. Nope - lets be honest here - none of AD aquired during multiple scam occasions whitch was not taken out with a perma banned account are still here in game. Any one trying to tell those are gone is lying as this game never had a properly working sink system. And no hoarders are just to smart to catch such bait. If one of them really wanna get such companion he will find a better way to get it without even touching AH.
And no, this action - if it wont be changed somehow wont change ZAX backlog. Remember for Cryptic selling ZEN is most important. Such backlog is helthy for them as every one who spend money can get AD right away. So their main goal is both make ZEN atractive for not paying players - this needs to bring new items etc to the store. And to make sure that paying customers will get as many goods for thier exchanged ZENs. That needs to lower market prices. Any one else noticed legendary mounts prices going higher every day?
Wanna make a serious sink - put Knox in Wondrous Bazaar - package as you see it now. Price 20 - 30M AD. All items BtA. Avilable for 1 month. Then make a month without promo and then next month with a new companion/item/mount. Give it also a possiblity to make a gift for a friend out of it.
Wanna kill hoarders - make 100M AD limit account wide. Without a warning like a tradebar store change or class packs removed. One clean cut. Or announce it and you will see end of a ZAX backlog in a day.
Wanna kill hoarders - make 100M AD limit account wide. Without a warning like a tradebar store change or class packs removed. One clean cut. Or announce it and you will see end of a ZAX backlog in a day.
..... why would the ZAX backlog get better if people were told they'd suddenly lose all their AD? That would make the ZAX backlog *worse* as every affected account immediately sticks 12.5M AD (the max you can put on ZAX at once) up on ZAX to turn it into Zen. Assuming, y'know, they haven't ALREADY spent the months required to turn most of it into Zen, since Zen->AD is instant in case they want AD but AD->Zen takes days-to-weeks.
If you want to remove the backlog, you need to provide an incentive to turn Zen into AD, not AD into Zen. The backlog is because everyone wants Zen and relatively few people want AD.
Wanna kill hoarders - make 100M AD limit account wide. Without a warning like a tradebar store change or class packs removed. One clean cut. Or announce it and you will see end of a ZAX backlog in a day.
..... why would the ZAX backlog get better if people were told they'd suddenly lose all their AD? That would make the ZAX backlog *worse* as every affected account immediately sticks 12.5M AD (the max you can put on ZAX at once) up on ZAX to turn it into Zen. Assuming, y'know, they haven't ALREADY spent the months required to turn most of it into Zen, since Zen->AD is instant in case they want AD but AD->Zen takes days-to-weeks.
If you want to remove the backlog, you need to provide an incentive to turn Zen into AD, not AD into Zen. The backlog is because everyone wants Zen and relatively few people want AD.
The best method of them doing it is not telling anyone they are doing it. Till after of course maintance for the patch that adds it in. There is not just player farmed ad. There is millions or billions of botted ad. So what they do, They do not tell anyone they are adding in a account wide ad pool or a code that allows the game how much ad there is being stockpiled on individual characters. If the code detects more then one million they destory that ad but leaving 100 million. So say a person has ten characters with 100mill stockpiled on each while the rest being converted to zen. Game detects that account has 1 billion ad. Deletes 900 million of that ad or cuts off players from accessing that ad or trading it on zax. Removing it for good from the game later. That player would be mad and a lot of people that have stocked piled ad would be mad but it would remove the backlog Or most of the billions from players accounts. But to be truly successful then well they can't tell players they are doing it.
So basically what I'm suggesting they make the one million ad limit account wide like that person in the quote suggested. Then destroy all ad that bypasses that limit. Backlog problem might be fixed like he suggested by doing this even though there would be a lot of ticked off players. By only if they do it without warning the players they are doing it. So both of you are right.
Thanks to #NOWORRIES Cryptic Developer... : I thought that is was neutral... Maybe u can also say to people how much Ad's I have on Bank and how much zens ?
I have bought this companion (NOT for 51 500 000 but its MY problem) and my decision is to try to resell this.
I'm a seller and there are buyers. But now thanks to developer everybody know the start sell price
And it's higher than what was assumed, so it is in your favor... Now instead of thinking it should go for 45m, it 'can' start at 55m.
So what exactly is your problem?
He wanted everybody to think it sold for a lot more, and was hoping players would buy it for at least the same amount as the first one sold for...
I have a little over 25m in ad witch I saved so that I could buy whatever I want when I want. and to add that I dont do master crafting so if I logged on one day and seen that they deleted my ad I would lose my HAMSTER and quit this game.. and before anyone says it yes i do support the game when sales are on I dont think they want to lose a bunch of day 1 players in 1 day.
Wanna kill hoarders - make 100M AD limit account wide. Without a warning like a tradebar store change or class packs removed. One clean cut. Or announce it and you will see end of a ZAX backlog in a day.
..... why would the ZAX backlog get better if people were told they'd suddenly lose all their AD? That would make the ZAX backlog *worse* as every affected account immediately sticks 12.5M AD (the max you can put on ZAX at once) up on ZAX to turn it into Zen. Assuming, y'know, they haven't ALREADY spent the months required to turn most of it into Zen, since Zen->AD is instant in case they want AD but AD->Zen takes days-to-weeks.
If you want to remove the backlog, you need to provide an incentive to turn Zen into AD, not AD into Zen. The backlog is because everyone wants Zen and relatively few people want AD.
The best method of them doing it is not telling anyone they are doing it. Till after of course maintance for the patch that adds it in. There is not just player farmed ad. There is millions or billions of botted ad. So what they do, They do not tell anyone they are adding in a account wide ad pool or a code that allows the game how much ad there is being stockpiled on individual characters. If the code detects more then one million they destory that ad but leaving 100 million. So say a person has ten characters with 100mill stockpiled on each while the rest being converted to zen. Game detects that account has 1 billion ad. Deletes 900 million of that ad or cuts off players from accessing that ad or trading it on zax. Removing it for good from the game later. That player would be mad and a lot of people that have stocked piled ad would be mad but it would remove the backlog Or most of the billions from players accounts. But to be truly successful then well they can't tell players they are doing it.
So basically what I'm suggesting they make the one million ad limit account wide like that person in the quote suggested. Then destroy all ad that bypasses that limit. Backlog problem might be fixed like he suggested by doing this even though there would be a lot of ticked off players. By only if they do it without warning the players they are doing it. So both of you are right.
Wow! This is the worst idea in the history of EVER. I don't even currently HAVE 1 million AD (been splurging on my guild) and even I would HAMSTER GERBIL quit if they did this. My wife currently has 3.5 million AD and I know she'd be out. You're talking about wiping out people's hard work, especially for people who haven't been botting. Rich players are entitled to their largesse even if it is messing with the economy. They've either run random dungeons and/or epic dungeons or played the AH - and I would say they've probably done both! My wife and I run random dungeons and epic dungeons and we refine 100k per day, mostly using salvage.
Your idea would absolutely HAMSTER kill the game the day the servers came back up with that kind of change implemented on them.
So. Looks like the Knox companion is not being re-sold on a weekly basis. Pretty much, Cryptic wants it to 'seem' like they wanna take care of the backlog, but either they truly don't or they don't want to admit that player base actually knows what it is talking about in ways to get rid of the AD backlog. Take the Knox companion. 100 million AD due to the desire for BiS ( assuming that auction house exploited is not used ) a pop. 2 hundred thousand zen ( a little over 1800 bucks if 11,000 per 100 bucks ). Backlog of zen is in the billions IIRC. If done daily ( as it should have been done ) then knox stood potentially ( results may be different but feeding the rich folks to be BiS this should be atleast close ) then by the date of 21st, you are looking at 11 days. 2.2 million zen being removed from the backlog. This is just for one companion. Any BiS companions, items, etc. and auctioned in this manner would multiply the zen removal rate from the backlog. This is all assuming done on a daily basis. Every day that it is not done like this is an admission by Cryptic that I am correct. Release of future companions similar to Knox, items that are start being done via the Knox way that cryptic did multiplies how much I am correct. Eventually, this is gonna go from millions of zen to billions territory and therefore going from a multi-thousand dollar decision to multi-million dollar decision that is being missed out on.
So Cryptic can certainly come up with ideas that can take bring in the $$$. Execution of them however is lacking and not listening to the player base affects $$$ coming in.
What are you talking about?? They have sold 2 so far, the 2nd went for over 40 million. A new one will be listed tomorrow. You need to pay more attention to what's going on.
I would like to ask for the ability to react more than once to a post. I had to pick between "Awesome" and "LOL" on this post and that is simply not fair. I should be able to pick both.
Actually, there is nothing wrong with being a rich player. But pretty much like in real life it depends how did you make that money. If its a hard work or good idea behind it - its fine, but if there is a crime,scam or fraud its not that nice huh? And please do not forget that most of that illegal money is tried to be washed - like mafia model. Just imagine that: He stole dozen of legendary mounts out of players in game. (Yes it was possible with long gone (thank god) a AH glitch) then he tranfers them to other accounts - waited some time then grab them sold them and began playing with AH or MC. And no - its not a joke. Unfortuantely not all such players and all their accounts were cought and perma banned.
This game have literally 2 problems leading to current economy model and status. 1st - One was at least few occasions witch allowed players to make a lot of AD in the ways not intended by the devs. 2nd - one is never balanced ratio between creating AD in legal ways in compare to the game AD sinks shortage.
And no posting Knoxes like devs try right now wont change anything. Reworking a living economy model is much harder then that. And to be honest its gona be a tough job for the devs to do that not hurting honest players along the way.
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thefabricantMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 5,248Arc User
edited July 2018
This is small fry, if the devs really want to get rid of AD they are not even trying. Raise the AD limit to 2 billion+ per toon as well as the minimum bid, then post some of the rarer legendary tools on the auction house, like this:
Before bid: After bid: (Thanks to the person who provided the picture, I don't play xbox)
I know a few people, including myself, who would spend over 100m on these. For bonus points, post a single mythic tool that works on every profession, similar to forgehammer, which can be used in addition to forgehammer. It would sell for whatever the max ad bid is, even if it was 2 billion.
Minor digression, 17! leg tools on xbox ah In comparison, pc market:
The best method of them doing it is not telling anyone they are doing it. Till after of course maintance for the patch that adds it in. There is not just player farmed ad. There is millions or billions of botted ad. So what they do, They do not tell anyone they are adding in a account wide ad pool or a code that allows the game how much ad there is being stockpiled on individual characters. If the code detects more then one million they destory that ad but leaving 100 million. So say a person has ten characters with 100mill stockpiled on each while the rest being converted to zen. Game detects that account has 1 billion ad. Deletes 900 million of that ad or cuts off players from accessing that ad or trading it on zax. Removing it for good from the game later. That player would be mad and a lot of people that have stocked piled ad would be mad but it would remove the backlog Or most of the billions from players accounts. But to be truly successful then well they can't tell players they are doing it.
So basically what I'm suggesting they make the one million ad limit account wide like that person in the quote suggested. Then destroy all ad that bypasses that limit. Backlog problem might be fixed like he suggested by doing this even though there would be a lot of ticked off players. By only if they do it without warning the players they are doing it. So both of you are right.
So basically you are saying the Cryptic should steal players' money. By your example, I think that if a game company took over $15,000 from them, they would be a little bit more than mad.
This is small fry, if the devs really want to get rid of AD they are not even trying. Raise the AD limit to 2 billion+ per toon as well as the minimum bid, then post some of the rarer legendary tools on the auction house, like this:
Before bid: After bid: (Thanks to the person who provided the picture, I don't play xbox)
I know a few people, including myself, who would spend over 100m on these. For bonus points, post a single mythic tool that works on every profession, similar to forgehammer, which can be used in addition to forgehammer. It would sell for whatever the max ad bid is, even if it was 2 billion.
Minor digression, 17! leg tools on xbox ah In comparison, pc market:
100m ad is too high for the current+future economy where you can earn 100k per day. I Rather see the ad limit you can post to drop down to 50m.
Ad sink is to craft with 75% chance isnt it ?:). Before masterwork we used to craft items with 60% chance and now what want easy 95% ? they better remove the legendary tools.
It would be too late to even think about removing legendary tools too many people own them and that would create yet another problem they are a huge investment
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thefabricantMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 5,248Arc User
edited July 2018
100m ad is not too much, I can think of quite a few people who would spend that much on those tools. I would and so would some of my friends. Also, the AD sink is hitting the rush button, not succeeding at the craft. People who MW will hit the rush button regardless of the %chance to succeed. Furthermore, there is nothing "easy" about this 95%, you try buying these tools, you can't, even if you want to. You want to spend 100m+ on them? It isn't an option even if you want to. Furthermore, posting 1 of each of the rarer ones isn't exactly going to change the rarity of them, since currently, they pretty much don't exist and after 1 of each is sold, they will go back to not existing.
Since devs announced that they are not happy with a current state of the in game economy almost all of topics finnaly end up discussing this. What is even more funny - most peeps see that there is an issue, and they would like it to be dealt with while, at the same time they dont want any major changes.
We should talk about Knox here while we talk about legendary tools. Not that it is even better idea for a sink then Knox But then again.
And one more thing @omegarealities#7219 - technicly speaking you dont own anything in this game. Its a kind of a loan. So no Crytpic wouldnt steal anything form a players - all of it belongs to them. ANd if you count it in real life money - are you gold seller that you estimate loss of 15k $?
And one more thing @omegarealities#7219 - technicly speaking you dont own anything in this game. Its a kind of a loan. So no Crytpic wouldnt steal anything form a players - all of it belongs to them. ANd if you count it in real life money - are you gold seller that you estimate loss of 15k $?
By this logic, if you don't own something or it is loaned to you in some form, then it has no value. I'd love to see you try that logic with your landlord or mortgage holder! The fact is that a real world monetary value can be assigned to astral diamonds because they can be indirectly purchased using cash by first purchasing Zen. I'm sure the fact that you cannot directly purchase astral diamonds with cash is what keeps Cryptic and other companies using similar virtual currencies out of trouble with the government. Governmental non-interference notwithstanding, you can compute how much cash it would take to purchase a given quantity of astral diamonds based on the exchange rate on the ZAX. So @omegarealities#7219 has a valid point, despite your ad hominem attack and insistence otherwise.
100m ad is not too much, I can think of quite a few people who would spend that much on those tools. I would and so would some of my friends. Also, the AD sink is hitting the rush button, not succeeding at the craft. People who MW will hit the rush button regardless of the %chance to succeed. Furthermore, there is nothing "easy" about this 95%, you try buying these tools, you can't, even if you want to. You want to spend 100m+ on them? It isn't an option even if you want to. Furthermore, posting 1 of each of the rarer ones isn't exactly going to change the rarity of them, since currently, they pretty much don't exist and after 1 of each is sold, they will go back to not existing.
Did any of them except the Crucible *ever* drop on PC? I do know they were much rarer than legendary mounts from the summertime event, but IIRC only the legendary crucible ever actually dropped even once on PC.
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Also given that cryptic has stuff like this going in for max ad, that's a monumental win irrespective of what I think it's worth or for that matter what anyone else does.
and a new one hits the market immediately
bet they would sell quite alot in a short amount of time
siphoning ad off the market
like a fire sale in the US mint
How much did the 2nd knox sell for? I assume the one I see now is the 3rd auction and with 3 days left it is at 15.7m bid.
Thanks to #NOWORRIES Cryptic Developer... : I thought that is was neutral...
Maybe u can also say to people how much Ad's I have on Bank and how much zens ?
I have bought this companion (NOT for 51 500 000 but its MY problem) and my decision is to try to resell this.
I'm a seller and there are buyers. But now thanks to developer everybody know the start sell price
Now instead of thinking it should go for 45m, it 'can' start at 55m.
So what exactly is your problem?
Doing any bussines brings a risk - you may not like it but you have to eat it.
No worries
And no worries
Not sure what Cryptic devs wanted to achieve with such sale, but I guess they failed.
Techniclly speking its a AD sink as it really takes AD out of the system. Thing is the amount of ADs taken that way is nearly insignificant. Some may say that last sold Knox was worth of 515 players daily AD refine cap. OK auction lasts 5 days. So you still wanna call it a sink worth mentioning? And it not even touching AD already overflowing a system.
Ok - so maybe it was a kind of a bait for hoarders?. Nope - lets be honest here - none of AD aquired during multiple scam occasions whitch was not taken out with a perma banned account are still here in game. Any one trying to tell those are gone is lying as this game never had a properly working sink system. And no hoarders are just to smart to catch such bait. If one of them really wanna get such companion he will find a better way to get it without even touching AH.
And no, this action - if it wont be changed somehow wont change ZAX backlog.
Remember for Cryptic selling ZEN is most important. Such backlog is helthy for them as every one who spend money can get AD right away. So their main goal is both make ZEN atractive for not paying players - this needs to bring new items etc to the store.
And to make sure that paying customers will get as many goods for thier exchanged ZENs. That needs to lower market prices.
Any one else noticed legendary mounts prices going higher every day?
Wanna make a serious sink - put Knox in Wondrous Bazaar - package as you see it now. Price 20 - 30M AD. All items BtA. Avilable for 1 month. Then make a month without promo and then next month with a new companion/item/mount.
Give it also a possiblity to make a gift for a friend out of it.
Wanna kill hoarders - make 100M AD limit account wide. Without a warning
If you want to remove the backlog, you need to provide an incentive to turn Zen into AD, not AD into Zen. The backlog is because everyone wants Zen and relatively few people want AD.
There is not just player farmed ad. There is millions or billions of botted ad. So what they do, They do not tell anyone they are adding in a account wide ad pool or a code that allows the game how much ad there is being stockpiled on individual characters. If the code detects more then one million they destory that ad but leaving 100 million. So say a person has ten characters with 100mill stockpiled on each while the rest being converted to zen. Game detects that account has 1 billion ad. Deletes 900 million of that ad or cuts off players from accessing that ad or trading it on zax. Removing it for good from the game later. That player would be mad and a lot of people that have stocked piled ad would be mad but it would remove the backlog Or most of the billions from players accounts. But to be truly successful then well they can't tell players they are doing it.
So basically what I'm suggesting they make the one million ad limit account wide like that person in the quote suggested. Then destroy all ad that bypasses that limit. Backlog problem might be fixed like he suggested by doing this even though there would be a lot of ticked off players. By only if they do it without warning the players they are doing it. So both of you are right.
This is insanely stupid, btw
When Cryptic (more or less) stops posting Knox'es we'll see where the price stabilizes.
Your idea would absolutely HAMSTER kill the game the day the servers came back up with that kind of change implemented on them.
And please do not forget that most of that illegal money is tried to be washed - like mafia model.
Just imagine that:
He stole dozen of legendary mounts out of players in game. (Yes it was possible with long gone (thank god) a AH glitch) then he tranfers them to other accounts - waited some time then grab them sold them and began playing with AH or MC.
And no - its not a joke.
Unfortuantely not all such players and all their accounts were cought and perma banned.
This game have literally 2 problems leading to current economy model and status.
1st - One was at least few occasions witch allowed players to make a lot of AD in the ways not intended by the devs.
2nd - one is never balanced ratio between creating AD in legal ways in compare to the game AD sinks shortage.
And no posting Knoxes like devs try right now wont change anything. Reworking a living economy model is much harder then that. And to be honest its gona be a tough job for the devs to do that not hurting honest players along the way.
Before bid:
After bid:
(Thanks to the person who provided the picture, I don't play xbox)
I know a few people, including myself, who would spend over 100m on these. For bonus points, post a single mythic tool that works on every profession, similar to forgehammer, which can be used in addition to forgehammer. It would sell for whatever the max ad bid is, even if it was 2 billion.
Minor digression, 17! leg tools on xbox ah
Ad sink is to craft with 75% chance isnt it ?:).
Before masterwork we used to craft items with 60% chance and now what want easy 95% ? they better remove the legendary tools.
Since devs announced that they are not happy with a current state of the in game economy almost all of topics finnaly end up discussing this. What is even more funny - most peeps see that there is an issue, and they would like it to be dealt with while, at the same time they dont want any major changes.
We should talk about Knox here while we talk about legendary tools. Not that it is even better idea for a sink then Knox
But then again.
And one more thing @omegarealities#7219 - technicly speaking you dont own anything in this game. Its a kind of a loan. So no Crytpic wouldnt steal anything form a players - all of it belongs to them. ANd if you count it in real life money - are you gold seller that you estimate loss of 15k $?