hope im reading right.....97mil.....holy smokes..... lmao ya. but hey if im readin this part right too abt evrythin being boe an not boa...... ya ppl will make a killin off the companion an the bondos ALONE..... especially wen/if this pack hits console..... talk abt 100mil max an then the rad max which if thats 100mil as well thats 200 mil right there..... n b4 ppl strt sayin 200 mil not possible wit the 100mil max think abt it...... unless im wrng wen the cap is reached the rest'll jus go into rad so max it wit say like the comp an then hit the rad ccap sell the extras an other stuff they get/got already. best thing the devs coulda dne to make this a true ad sink was make it all boa so ther was no return profit after bnuyin the pack an sellin the stuff in it seperately later on
hope im reading right.....97mil.....holy smokes..... lmao ya. but hey if im readin this part right too abt evrythin being boe an not boa...... ya ppl will make a killin off the companion an the bondos ALONE..... especially wen/if this pack hits console..... talk abt 100mil max an then the rad max which if thats 100mil as well thats 200 mil right there..... n b4 ppl strt sayin 200 mil not possible wit the 100mil max think abt it...... unless im wrng wen the cap is reached the rest'll jus go into rad so max it wit say like the comp an then hit the rad ccap sell the extras an other stuff they get/got already. best thing the devs coulda dne to make this a true ad sink was make it all boa so ther was no return profit after bnuyin the pack an sellin the stuff in it seperately later on
your post makes zero sense.... and it is a true ad sink. no NEW ad will enter the economy from this and 100 mil will exit the economy from this.
Is the 100 million AD an account wide cap? If not, it's easy to split the items to different characters and sell each item from the box. This is just another way to make the richest richer.
Aside from the actual companion, I really don't think they'd come close to recouping what they paid - I checked the AH, and this is what you're looking at paying if you went that route: r14 Bonding: 2.5M (x3) +4 Fierce gear: 2.5M (x3) Companion times: a few thousand. Maybe.
Total: ~15M.
That leaves 85M to cover. Knox might be a good companion, but even epic tigers only go for 1M (+1M for Legendary, so let's call it 2M). Is Knox 83 million AD better than the Chultan Tiger? Personally, I'd say no, but who knows, maybe someone will ante up a dozen legendary mounts to swap for it...
This only represents those folks who are wanting to convert AD to Zen which is a small fraction of the player base.
Sorry, for picking this part, but you are not right here. The majority of the players are using the exchange to get VIP and the preservation/coalescent wards, because the auction house costs are mostly higher and sometimes over a long period 10%-30higher. If the developers really want a high AD sink, they just have to sell all wards in Wondrous Bazaar for 5k AD each Preservation ward and 500k AD each coalescent ward.
Outside of the biannual sales events, players are using the Zax (to convert AD to Zen) almost exclusively to purchase VIP, P-Wards, and C-Wards (maybe new packs when new modules/zones come out).
There is zero chance devs will put Wards and VIP in the Wonderous Bazaar because that short circuits the need to exchange AD for Zen. Zen is the currency that is actually purchased with real world money. You take Zen, and by extention real world money, out of the equation, and there is no income to support the game.
With regards to the number of players at any one time wanting to convert AD to Zen, it is, in fact, a very small percentage of the player base. Take for example the current Zax backlog of 7M Zen: A player can only purchase 25,000 Zen at a time max (five orders of 5,000 Zen); if you divide that 7M Zen by 25,000, you are only looking at around 280-300 players. Even if you assume that people only put enough AD on the exchange to purchase enough Zen to cover a C-Ward or a month's worth of VIP, you're still only looking at 7K players (1K Zen for a C-Ward) out of a player base of, if we are to believe Cryptics's stats, about 7M players on PC. So in a best case scenario for you, the Zax represents about 1/10 of 1% of the player base at the high end.
Or, they might start offering a different 'better' of other companions every 5 days. THAT would drag more AD out of the system, since even the person bidding on the current companion offered could possibly want to bid on the NEXT one as well! AND, it would keep the bidding extremely competitive, instead of it slowly dropping each time.
This, I think, would be how I would go.
Make alternate versions of different characters, including perhaps characters or creatures that have not yet been made as a companion (to whatever extent WotC will allow them to include certain characters in this role), and rotate them.
Knox this week, Celeste next week, Makos and Xuna after that, so on and so forth, then back to Knox and repeat the cycle. Maybe have a week off between offerings.
If any particular companion flopped then they could pull them out of the cycle immediately. If they see things are starting to cool off and they are not getting what they wanted out of the system then they can stop it, at least temporarily. Otherwise, as long as the demand is there, they could keep it going for a while.
After a time they could stop it, work on some new companions to replace and/or add to the other companions, and then start up again in a few months.
Over time Alphonse Knox may disappear entirely, but with other characters they could carry this on indefinitely. Maybe Private Hawthidon, Spellplagued Linkletter, or one of the Fargo sisters could fetch millions of AD if offered.
Just, ideally, they won't use power creep as an incentive. Power creep in this case could quite possibly suppress bidding. If players think that the next companion of whatever role will be better then they will be reluctant to overspend on the one that is currently offered.
hope im reading right.....97mil.....holy smokes..... lmao ya. but hey if im readin this part right too abt evrythin being boe an not boa...... ya ppl will make a killin off the companion an the bondos ALONE..... especially wen/if this pack hits console..... talk abt 100mil max an then the rad max which if thats 100mil as well thats 200 mil right there..... n b4 ppl strt sayin 200 mil not possible wit the 100mil max think abt it...... unless im wrng wen the cap is reached the rest'll jus go into rad so max it wit say like the comp an then hit the rad ccap sell the extras an other stuff they get/got already. best thing the devs coulda dne to make this a true ad sink was make it all boa so ther was no return profit after bnuyin the pack an sellin the stuff in it seperately later on
your post makes zero sense.... and it is a true ad sink. no NEW ad will enter the economy from this and 100 mil will exit the economy from this.
lol then u aint thinking right.... srry but u aint..... they buy the pack at 97mil ok ya..... then all the items in the pack they resell at whtevr price they sell it at( an the ledge knox bein a limited number item..... i image theyll try an sell for right round 50-100mill) so they make ad off wht they bought an paid for wit their ad from reselling wht they got out of the pack..... how did u fail to see this if evrythin is as theyre sayin boe not boa (binds on equip nopt bound to acc)
hope im reading right.....97mil.....holy smokes..... lmao ya. but hey if im readin this part right too abt evrythin being boe an not boa...... ya ppl will make a killin off the companion an the bondos ALONE..... especially wen/if this pack hits console..... talk abt 100mil max an then the rad max which if thats 100mil as well thats 200 mil right there..... n b4 ppl strt sayin 200 mil not possible wit the 100mil max think abt it...... unless im wrng wen the cap is reached the rest'll jus go into rad so max it wit say like the comp an then hit the rad ccap sell the extras an other stuff they get/got already. best thing the devs coulda dne to make this a true ad sink was make it all boa so ther was no return profit after bnuyin the pack an sellin the stuff in it seperately later on
your post makes zero sense.... and it is a true ad sink. no NEW ad will enter the economy from this and 100 mil will exit the economy from this.
lol then u aint thinking right.... srry but u aint..... they buy the pack at 97mil ok ya..... then all the items in the pack they resell at whtevr price they sell it at( an the ledge knox bein a limited number item..... i image theyll try an sell for right round 50-100mill) so they make ad off wht they bought an paid for wit their ad from reselling wht they got out of the pack..... how did u fail to see this if evrythin is as theyre sayin boe not boa (binds on equip nopt bound to acc)
thefiresidecat is absolutely right. And whether you understand it or not, you've actually made the case for them; not only is this an AD sink, since it is boe and not boa, if the winner of the auction decides to sell parts of the package on the AH, even more AD leaves the system as per the 10% AH cut on those transactions.
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hope im reading right.....97mil.....holy smokes..... lmao ya. but hey if im readin this part right too abt evrythin being boe an not boa...... ya ppl will make a killin off the companion an the bondos ALONE..... especially wen/if this pack hits console..... talk abt 100mil max an then the rad max which if thats 100mil as well thats 200 mil right there..... n b4 ppl strt sayin 200 mil not possible wit the 100mil max think abt it...... unless im wrng wen the cap is reached the rest'll jus go into rad so max it wit say like the comp an then hit the rad ccap sell the extras an other stuff they get/got already. best thing the devs coulda dne to make this a true ad sink was make it all boa so ther was no return profit after bnuyin the pack an sellin the stuff in it seperately later on
your post makes zero sense.... and it is a true ad sink. no NEW ad will enter the economy from this and 100 mil will exit the economy from this.
lol then u aint thinking right.... srry but u aint..... they buy the pack at 97mil ok ya..... then all the items in the pack they resell at whtevr price they sell it at( an the ledge knox bein a limited number item..... i image theyll try an sell for right round 50-100mill) so they make ad off wht they bought an paid for wit their ad from reselling wht they got out of the pack..... how did u fail to see this if evrythin is as theyre sayin boe not boa (binds on equip nopt bound to acc)
You don't understand what AD sink means. AD sink is not about changing one person's AD wealth. It is about destroying AD from the economy. In this case, the AD is destroyed.
e.g. you buy a GMOP from WB and sell it in AH for higher price. The AD you spend to buy a GMOP is destroyed (AD sink; less AD in the economy) and you have more AD in your wallet.
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ya i get the meaning of "ad sink" @plasticbat i get it but think abt it...... they buy the pack an resell for whtevr they can on ah.... then said item is bought by smebdy else "ya changing hands" but ;look at it more close that somebdy else that bought the said item..... they had to get their ad from smewhere right?? whether they already had it or sold items they were holding onto/obtained wen said item was place on the ah so the 97mil will be just refiltered back into the eco. given jus a lil bit of time ( a true sink would prevent this by not allowing the ad to filter back into the eco at sme point..... in other words the stuff not bein able to be resold buy the buyer). bottom line after the buyer if they resold wht they bought the ad comes from smewhere (yes somnebody else but that person had to make their ad somehow...... it didnt just POP up) so ya right now the evo might be gettin punched in the gut an get winded by this pack an the ad spent on it..... but give it a lil time it will recover the lost ad wit ppl farmin and whtnot am the eco will jus b right bck where it was b4 the pack came out
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ya i get the meaning of "ad sink" @plasticbat i get it but think abt it...... they buy the pack an resell for whtevr they can on ah.... then said item is bought by smebdy else "ya changing hands" but ;look at it more close that somebdy else that bought the said item..... they had to get their ad from smewhere right?? whether they already had it or sold items they were holding onto/obtained wen said item was place on the ah so the 97mil will be just refiltered back into the eco. given jus a lil bit of time ( a true sink would prevent this by not allowing the ad to filter back into the eco at sme point..... in other words the stuff not bein able to be resold buy the buyer). bottom line after the buyer if they resold wht they bought the ad comes from smewhere (yes somnebody else but that person had to make their ad somehow...... it didnt just POP up) so ya right now the evo might be gettin punched in the gut an get winded by this pack an the ad spent on it..... but give it a lil time it will recover the lost ad wit ppl farmin and whtnot am the eco will jus b right bck where it was b4 the pack came out
There is no new AD in this process. You get AD from another person and these AD are existing AD and not new AD. It is very hard to read what you wrote by the way.
AD sink means destroying AD. Nothing more. The 97 million AD will be destroyed. These 97 million AD will not come back to economy. Whatever extra AD (say 120 million AD) the person can earn is the existing 120 million AD from another person. It does not change the fact that particular 97 million AD will be destroyed.
How another person get their new AD is irrelevant because they will make them regardless if this companion AH offer exists or not.
Again, AD sink means destroy AD and that does not prevent new AD to be created because that is irrelevant to AD sink.
In addition, the more time he can resell through AH (not trade) the better because each AH transaction is another 10% AD sink. The higher the price the bigger the sink will be.
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ya i get the meaning of "ad sink" @plasticbat i get it but think abt it...... they buy the pack an resell for whtevr they can on ah.... then said item is bought by smebdy else "ya changing hands" but ;look at it more close that somebdy else that bought the said item..... they had to get their ad from smewhere right?? whether they already had it or sold items they were holding onto/obtained wen said item was place on the ah so the 97mil will be just refiltered back into the eco. given jus a lil bit of time ( a true sink would prevent this by not allowing the ad to filter back into the eco at sme point..... in other words the stuff not bein able to be resold buy the buyer). bottom line after the buyer if they resold wht they bought the ad comes from smewhere (yes somnebody else but that person had to make their ad somehow...... it didnt just POP up) so ya right now the evo might be gettin punched in the gut an get winded by this pack an the ad spent on it..... but give it a lil time it will recover the lost ad wit ppl farmin and whtnot am the eco will jus b right bck where it was b4 the pack came out
First: Learn how to spell
Second: It is a sink because the original AD for the comp goes out of the game completely
man yall jus aint seeing it are you??????????? ya that 97mil is gone, ya that whatevr mil they get fromn resellin said items isnt new ad but exsisting ad.... ya i get all of that. but unless i am mistaken.... ppl still farm for ad every day right? so that 97 mil will eventually come back into the economy at SOME point. ya it might take time but as they say "time heals all wounds", this pack and the ad destroyed is the "wound", "ppl daily ad farmin" is the "time", over time the 97mil lost will just regenerate back into the economy. but ok ya whtevr yall right im wwrong just leave it at that an call it a day and head home to watch football or smethin lol.
man yall jus aint seeing it are you??????????? ya that 97mil is gone, ya that whatevr mil they get fromn resellin said items isnt new ad but exsisting ad.... ya i get all of that. but unless i am mistaken.... ppl still farm for ad every day right? so that 97 mil will eventually come back into the economy at SOME point. ya it might take time but as they say "time heals all wounds", this pack and the ad destroyed is the "wound", "ppl daily ad farmin" is the "time", over time the 97mil lost will just regenerate back into the economy. but ok ya whtevr yall right im wwrong just leave it at that an call it a day and head home to watch football or smethin lol.
No, you are not getting it. The "new" 97 million AD is just that, it is new. It will be farmed. It would have been farmed if this event had never been created. And it would have been added to the AD pool that exists right now. All the AD now + 97 "new" AD. This event makes sure that when that "new" AD is farmed, the 97 million that was payed out for poor Alphonse... is gone. Forever. That will not come back. Moving forward, the total pool of AD, will be 97 million less. Hopefully 485 million less.
man yall jus aint seeing it are you??????????? ya that 97mil is gone, ya that whatevr mil they get fromn resellin said items isnt new ad but exsisting ad.... ya i get all of that. but unless i am mistaken.... ppl still farm for ad every day right? so that 97 mil will eventually come back into the economy at SOME point. ya it might take time but as they say "time heals all wounds", this pack and the ad destroyed is the "wound", "ppl daily ad farmin" is the "time", over time the 97mil lost will just regenerate back into the economy. but ok ya whtevr yall right im wwrong just leave it at that an call it a day and head home to watch football or smethin lol.
No, you are not getting it. The "new" 97 million AD is just that, it is new. It will be farmed. It would have been farmed if this event had never been created. And it would have been added to the AD pool that exists right now. All the AD now + 97 "new" AD. This event makes sure that when that "new" AD is farmed, the 97 million that was payed out for poor Alphonse... is gone. Forever. That will not come back. Moving forward, the total pool of AD, will be 97 million less. Hopefully 485 million less.
Dfo me a favor an think abt wht u just said lol.... yes its "new" ad yes it would have been made without this pack and added to the pool, let that soak in for a sec..... ok goin forward that 97 mil... would only take 2700 ppl to make combined. that right there just fills in the 97nillion chunk they put in the pool with this pack. yes granted without the pack the pool would hav been bigger, but now wit the "new" 97mil added to the pool... the "old" 97mil that was spent was like it was never even spent to start with, in other words the pool size was unchanged lol but yes you are right it is new ad
man yall jus aint seeing it are you??????????? ya that 97mil is gone, ya that whatevr mil they get fromn resellin said items isnt new ad but exsisting ad.... ya i get all of that. but unless i am mistaken.... ppl still farm for ad every day right? so that 97 mil will eventually come back into the economy at SOME point. ya it might take time but as they say "time heals all wounds", this pack and the ad destroyed is the "wound", "ppl daily ad farmin" is the "time", over time the 97mil lost will just regenerate back into the economy. but ok ya whtevr yall right im wwrong just leave it at that an call it a day and head home to watch football or smethin lol.
No, you are not getting it. The "new" 97 million AD is just that, it is new. It will be farmed. It would have been farmed if this event had never been created. And it would have been added to the AD pool that exists right now. All the AD now + 97 "new" AD. This event makes sure that when that "new" AD is farmed, the 97 million that was payed out for poor Alphonse... is gone. Forever. That will not come back. Moving forward, the total pool of AD, will be 97 million less. Hopefully 485 million less.
Dfo me a favor an think abt wht u just said lol.... yes its "new" ad yes it would have been made without this pack and added to the pool, let that soak in for a sec..... ok goin forward that 97 mil... would only take 2700 ppl to make combined. that right there just fills in the 97nillion chunk they put in the pool with this pack. yes granted without the pack the pool would hav been bigger, but now wit the "new" 97mil added to the pool... the "old" 97mil that was spent was like it was never even spent to start with, in other words the pool size was unchanged lol but yes you are right it is new ad
The pool size was changed, because without the event there would be 97 (old) + 97 (new) = 184 million. And there are going to be more of these added every 5 days. hopefully they will all sell for 97 million.
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man yall jus aint seeing it are you??????????? ya that 97mil is gone, ya that whatevr mil they get fromn resellin said items isnt new ad but exsisting ad.... ya i get all of that. but unless i am mistaken.... ppl still farm for ad every day right? so that 97 mil will eventually come back into the economy at SOME point. ya it might take time but as they say "time heals all wounds", this pack and the ad destroyed is the "wound", "ppl daily ad farmin" is the "time", over time the 97mil lost will just regenerate back into the economy. but ok ya whtevr yall right im wwrong just leave it at that an call it a day and head home to watch football or smethin lol.
No, you are not getting it. The "new" 97 million AD is just that, it is new. It will be farmed. It would have been farmed if this event had never been created. And it would have been added to the AD pool that exists right now. All the AD now + 97 "new" AD. This event makes sure that when that "new" AD is farmed, the 97 million that was payed out for poor Alphonse... is gone. Forever. That will not come back. Moving forward, the total pool of AD, will be 97 million less. Hopefully 485 million less.
Dfo me a favor an think abt wht u just said lol.... yes its "new" ad yes it would have been made without this pack and added to the pool, let that soak in for a sec..... ok goin forward that 97 mil... would only take 2700 ppl to make combined. that right there just fills in the 97nillion chunk they put in the pool with this pack. yes granted without the pack the pool would hav been bigger, but now wit the "new" 97mil added to the pool... the "old" 97mil that was spent was like it was never even spent to start with, in other words the pool size was unchanged lol but yes you are right it is new ad
If they do not have this companion in AH, the amount of total AD will be N billions. Next week, it will be N + M billion. After this week, the transaction goes through, the amount of total AD will be N billions - 97 million. Next week, it will be N + M billion - 97 million. People will not farm more or farm less rAD because of this AH offer. In the end of it, it will be 97 million AD less than if such companion is not offered in AH.
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lol this is why i never gt into politics lol....... in the long run an the end with the amount of ad that is generated by the economy.... that "old" 97 mil that was destroyed..... wont evn matter. too much ad is generated regularly for an event like this to evn make an impact on the economy. the economy looks at this and laughs saying "10 100mil chunks (if the packs all sold at that price) PENNIES ON MY POCKETS". and yes i personified economy lol.
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lol this is why i never gt into politics lol....... in the long run an the end with the amount of ad that is generated by the economy.... that "old" 97 mil that was destroyed..... wont evn matter. too much ad is generated regularly for an event like this to evn make an impact on the economy. the economy looks at this and laughs saying "10 100mil chunks (if the packs all sold at that price) PENNIES ON MY POCKETS". and yes i personified economy lol.
If you started with "it does not matter", you are 100% correct (and others already said that) but it does not change the fact that there is a 97 million AD sink. So, it is a 97 million AD sink which does not really matter in the economy.
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lol this is why i never gt into politics lol....... in the long run an the end with the amount of ad that is generated by the economy.... that "old" 97 mil that was destroyed..... wont evn matter. too much ad is generated regularly for an event like this to evn make an impact on the economy. the economy looks at this and laughs saying "10 100mil chunks (if the packs all sold at that price) PENNIES ON MY POCKETS". and yes i personified economy lol.
If you started with "it does not matter", you are 100% correct but it does not change the fact that there is a 97 million AD sink. So, it is a 97 million AD sink which does not really matter in the economy.
lol ok so poor choice of words but the same result lol...... they wanna reduce the amount of ad generated in game by creatin the sink...... it'd hav to be a bigger widder sink to evn make any significant impact on the economy lol
lol this is why i never gt into politics lol....... in the long run an the end with the amount of ad that is generated by the economy.... that "old" 97 mil that was destroyed..... wont evn matter. too much ad is generated regularly for an event like this to evn make an impact on the economy. the economy looks at this and laughs saying "10 100mil chunks (if the packs all sold at that price) PENNIES ON MY POCKETS". and yes i personified economy lol.
it does matter. less ad in the system is less ad in the system.
ppl keep saying random numbers of ad generated per week but the fact is we don't know how much is generated in a week.
but let's put that aside for a moment. the other thing to consider is the way ad is used. you have people who have a normal amount of ad, you can count the millions on your hand. these people are actually using their ad actively. they're spinning it on the auction house and wonderous bazaar and actually need to buy things still. the amount they're transferring at any given time to the adx is small on average. these people don't matter for this equation. this is the masses the 99%
on the other hand you have the massive billionaires who keep putting their ad into zen because of the ad cap.
the way I see it the ONLY people that matter for sorting out the adx is this 1% group. if we wipe out their inventory for ad somehow that is going to significantly impact the amount up for conversion at any given time.
We don't know for sure how many people are actually playing at this point. we can guess, but I think it's nothing like what they'd have us believe. I think it's even less when you consider the mega mega wealthy. I'm going to guess it's more like a couple hundred people max who have this kind of wealth. I don't think the people who are getting their monthly zen or wards are the kind of quantity that is going to seriously edge up the price and backlog. it's going to be the people who are consistently maxing what they can get on the adx to convert.
looked at from this angle I DO think this will make a difference. you're giving these people who have no reason to spend ad a reason to spend ad and spend they will.
even better will be if we can get them to start putting their zen the other way BACK into the market to buy these things. the stored zen of these mega wealthy will opposite inflow to the ad economy on the adx which will help with the backlog even more.
you will probably say, but oh, that's bringing more ad into the economy which defeats the purpose of a sink. imo if it's ad that has been converted to zen or zen converted to ad, it's a rose by any other name. it is spendable currency that has already been generated in game. the opposite inflow of it in the adx, however will be a positive effect on the adx rather than negative. it's double good.
the tl;dr nutshell point is there are two kinds of ad out there. smaller amounts on the average player that are in constant circulation and the bigger blocks on the mega wealthy that are in constant play on the adx. so the amounts of ad in question to make a difference are actually a smaller more concentrated pool than the larger part that is in the player base.
lol man this is just never ending here.... i dont think i ever said anythin abt the adx.... only the flow of diamonds in game that will be so minorly impacted by this sink.... its laughable, and if i remember right there was smething mentioned in a thread abt the ad changes by one of the moderaators abt how much ad on an averasge week is generated by the over all player population in the game, which was the reason for all the changes to the ad system as they believed limiting the amount of ad refineable would increase the value of the ad over the value of zen in game..... if i member right anyways. yes they're are giving the mega wealthy a reason to spend their stored ad, but those mega wealthy knew how to get mega wealthy however they did and in turn will just do it again agter this is all over somehow. so in the long run the end result is still the same.... this sink had so little impact it is laughable.
lol man this is just never ending here.... i dont think i ever said anythin abt the adx.... only the flow of diamonds in game that will be so minorly impacted by this sink.... its laughable, and if i remember right there was smething mentioned in a thread abt the ad changes by one of the moderaators abt how much ad on an averasge week is generated by the over all player population in the game, which was the reason for all the changes to the ad system as they believed limiting the amount of ad refineable would increase the value of the ad over the value of zen in game..... if i member right anyways. yes they're are giving the mega wealthy a reason to spend their stored ad, but those mega wealthy knew how to get mega wealthy however they did and in turn will just do it again agter this is all over somehow. so in the long run the end result is still the same.... this sink had so little impact it is laughable.
why do you think they are making ad sinks? it's to improve the adx backlog. I really don't think you understand this even a little.
lol man this is just never ending here.... i dont think i ever said anythin abt the adx.... only the flow of diamonds in game that will be so minorly impacted by this sink.... its laughable, and if i remember right there was smething mentioned in a thread abt the ad changes by one of the moderaators abt how much ad on an averasge week is generated by the over all player population in the game, which was the reason for all the changes to the ad system as they believed limiting the amount of ad refineable would increase the value of the ad over the value of zen in game..... if i member right anyways. yes they're are giving the mega wealthy a reason to spend their stored ad, but those mega wealthy knew how to get mega wealthy however they did and in turn will just do it again agter this is all over somehow. so in the long run the end result is still the same.... this sink had so little impact it is laughable.
why do you think they are making ad sinks? it's to improve the adx backlog. I really don't think you understand this even a little.
lol oh i understand it completely.... your just not looking at the bigger picture of the game lol...... the sinks are being created to reduce the backlog on the adx yes you are right. but your failure to notice or see , is that with the sink or sinks, unless there was enough sinks created at one time for the player base..... the generation of ad in game will always greatly greatly out weigh the impact of the sink on the ad/adx backlog due to this large amount of ad generated on a weekly basis by the player population. BUT HEY OK FOR SAKE OF ARGUMENT I DONT KNOW WHT IM TALKING ABOUT YOUR RIGHT IM WRONG YOUR BIG IM LITTLE YOUR SMART IM STUPID LOL
lol man this is just never ending here.... i dont think i ever said anythin abt the adx.... only the flow of diamonds in game that will be so minorly impacted by this sink.... its laughable, and if i remember right there was smething mentioned in a thread abt the ad changes by one of the moderaators abt how much ad on an averasge week is generated by the over all player population in the game, which was the reason for all the changes to the ad system as they believed limiting the amount of ad refineable would increase the value of the ad over the value of zen in game..... if i member right anyways. yes they're are giving the mega wealthy a reason to spend their stored ad, but those mega wealthy knew how to get mega wealthy however they did and in turn will just do it again agter this is all over somehow. so in the long run the end result is still the same.... this sink had so little impact it is laughable.
why do you think they are making ad sinks? it's to improve the adx backlog. I really don't think you understand this even a little.
BUT HEY OK FOR SAKE OF ARGUMENT I DONT KNOW WHT IM TALKING ABOUT YOUR RIGHT IM WRONG YOUR BIG IM LITTLE YOUR SMART IM STUPID LOL
lol man this is just never ending here.... i dont think i ever said anythin abt the adx.... only the flow of diamonds in game that will be so minorly impacted by this sink.... its laughable, and if i remember right there was smething mentioned in a thread abt the ad changes by one of the moderaators abt how much ad on an averasge week is generated by the over all player population in the game, which was the reason for all the changes to the ad system as they believed limiting the amount of ad refineable would increase the value of the ad over the value of zen in game..... if i member right anyways. yes they're are giving the mega wealthy a reason to spend their stored ad, but those mega wealthy knew how to get mega wealthy however they did and in turn will just do it again agter this is all over somehow. so in the long run the end result is still the same.... this sink had so little impact it is laughable.
why do you think they are making ad sinks? it's to improve the adx backlog. I really don't think you understand this even a little.
BUT HEY OK FOR SAKE OF ARGUMENT I DONT KNOW WHT IM TALKING ABOUT YOUR RIGHT IM WRONG YOUR BIG IM LITTLE YOUR SMART IM STUPID LOL
you said it not me.
lol i said it bc for some reason ur fixated on the fact that the 97mil it took to buy it is gone, and henceforth will never come bck into the game (ya it will only in the form of new ad generated) and that the pool will still be 97mil smaller (or howevr much smaller at the end) bc of it not seein the massive generation of "new" ad by the player base making it completely "non-existent" but ok ya cool we've established the fact that i just dont seem to understand wht an ad sink is in the silghtest lol ok moving on .
lol man this is just never ending here.... i dont think i ever said anythin abt the adx.... only the flow of diamonds in game that will be so minorly impacted by this sink.... its laughable, and if i remember right there was smething mentioned in a thread abt the ad changes by one of the moderaators abt how much ad on an averasge week is generated by the over all player population in the game, which was the reason for all the changes to the ad system as they believed limiting the amount of ad refineable would increase the value of the ad over the value of zen in game..... if i member right anyways. yes they're are giving the mega wealthy a reason to spend their stored ad, but those mega wealthy knew how to get mega wealthy however they did and in turn will just do it again agter this is all over somehow. so in the long run the end result is still the same.... this sink had so little impact it is laughable.
why do you think they are making ad sinks? it's to improve the adx backlog. I really don't think you understand this even a little.
BUT HEY OK FOR SAKE OF ARGUMENT I DONT KNOW WHT IM TALKING ABOUT YOUR RIGHT IM WRONG YOUR BIG IM LITTLE YOUR SMART IM STUPID LOL
you said it not me.
lol i said it bc for some reason ur fixated on the fact that the 97mil it took to buy it is gone, and henceforth will never come bck into the game (ya it will only in the form of new ad generated) and that the pool will still be 97mil smaller (or howevr much smaller at the end) bc of it not seein the massive generation of "new" ad by the player base making it completely "non-existent" but ok ya cool we've established the fact that i just dont seem to understand wht an ad sink is in the silghtest lol ok moving on .
you aren't understanding basic math. that 95 mil is gone. even with new ad being generated, the entire pool is 95 million LESS than it would be otherwise. that new ad being generated is absolutely irrelevant. it would be generated regardless. I am fixated on it because THAT"S THE POINT OF THE AD SINK..
seriously.
also just to clear things up a little more for you, ad is not generated by things being bought and sold on the ah (as you were implying earlier on in the thread)
and as for the purpose of an ad sink, it is to help level out the ah backlog.. for this purpose all the new ad being newly generated doesn't matter. the only ad that matters is when it's conglomerated by a few individuals and they heap it on the adx thus plugging it up. the people who are doing this are the master crafters/wheeler dealers mostly. they aren't the ones quing up for random ques. (where most of the actual New ad comes from)
New AD is from things like doing a weekly and getting 4500 ad. or salvaging armor...
Circulating and accumulating ad comes from getting a good drop in a dungeon and selling it on the ah. that money wasn't newly created. it's just being passed around. Even though the knox pet is being sold on the ah the money is going to a dev who is going to feed it to a dragon where it will be pooped out into the void.. so it's gone.
sigh.... smh...... basic math says yes you are right that it will b gone yes the pool will be 97mil smaller then it would have been if this pack had not came about, you are completely right on this i knew this all along jus bc i chose my words differently doesnt mean anythin other than i said it wrong lol. basic math says that even with this pack or any other ad sink.... the impact on the bcklogs in adx or ah will be so minimal that it wont matter. bc ya ur right new ad is generated the way u said i kno this i do it evry day on my two characters i made why i hav a 4mil rad on my main lol) but if the numbers are correct from wht i remember in the ad change thread..... smethin like 1+ billion a week is generated by the player base weekly. (u might as well go the the pool an strt scooppin out the water with a teaspon if u get the metaphor). an to clear things up again... i was not implyingthat new ad is generated by items being sold on the ah. only that items being sold on the ah that ad is just changeing hands and not actually being used (the ad sink) so the majority of the ad that is out there until/if these sinks have the affect the devs are hoping for in the long run......is still out there. but ok night night sleep sleep time buh bye
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out of curiosity is this the first thing that's sold for ad cap?
r14 Bonding: 2.5M (x3)
+4 Fierce gear: 2.5M (x3)
Companion times: a few thousand. Maybe.
Total: ~15M.
That leaves 85M to cover. Knox might be a good companion, but even epic tigers only go for 1M (+1M for Legendary, so let's call it 2M). Is Knox 83 million AD better than the Chultan Tiger? Personally, I'd say no, but who knows, maybe someone will ante up a dozen legendary mounts to swap for it...
There is zero chance devs will put Wards and VIP in the Wonderous Bazaar because that short circuits the need to exchange AD for Zen. Zen is the currency that is actually purchased with real world money. You take Zen, and by extention real world money, out of the equation, and there is no income to support the game.
With regards to the number of players at any one time wanting to convert AD to Zen, it is, in fact, a very small percentage of the player base. Take for example the current Zax backlog of 7M Zen: A player can only purchase 25,000 Zen at a time max (five orders of 5,000 Zen); if you divide that 7M Zen by 25,000, you are only looking at around 280-300 players. Even if you assume that people only put enough AD on the exchange to purchase enough Zen to cover a C-Ward or a month's worth of VIP, you're still only looking at 7K players (1K Zen for a C-Ward) out of a player base of, if we are to believe Cryptics's stats, about 7M players on PC. So in a best case scenario for you, the Zax represents about 1/10 of 1% of the player base at the high end.
Make alternate versions of different characters, including perhaps characters or creatures that have not yet been made as a companion (to whatever extent WotC will allow them to include certain characters in this role), and rotate them.
Knox this week, Celeste next week, Makos and Xuna after that, so on and so forth, then back to Knox and repeat the cycle. Maybe have a week off between offerings.
If any particular companion flopped then they could pull them out of the cycle immediately. If they see things are starting to cool off and they are not getting what they wanted out of the system then they can stop it, at least temporarily.
Otherwise, as long as the demand is there, they could keep it going for a while.
After a time they could stop it, work on some new companions to replace and/or add to the other companions, and then start up again in a few months.
Over time Alphonse Knox may disappear entirely, but with other characters they could carry this on indefinitely. Maybe Private Hawthidon, Spellplagued Linkletter, or one of the Fargo sisters could fetch millions of AD if offered.
Just, ideally, they won't use power creep as an incentive.
Power creep in this case could quite possibly suppress bidding. If players think that the next companion of whatever role will be better then they will be reluctant to overspend on the one that is currently offered.
AD sink is not about changing one person's AD wealth.
It is about destroying AD from the economy. In this case, the AD is destroyed.
e.g. you buy a GMOP from WB and sell it in AH for higher price. The AD you spend to buy a GMOP is destroyed (AD sink; less AD in the economy) and you have more AD in your wallet.
It is very hard to read what you wrote by the way.
AD sink means destroying AD. Nothing more. The 97 million AD will be destroyed. These 97 million AD will not come back to economy. Whatever extra AD (say 120 million AD) the person can earn is the existing 120 million AD from another person. It does not change the fact that particular 97 million AD will be destroyed.
How another person get their new AD is irrelevant because they will make them regardless if this companion AH offer exists or not.
Again, AD sink means destroy AD and that does not prevent new AD to be created because that is irrelevant to AD sink.
In addition, the more time he can resell through AH (not trade) the better because each AH transaction is another 10% AD sink. The higher the price the bigger the sink will be.
Second: It is a sink because the original AD for the comp goes out of the game completely
After this week, the transaction goes through, the amount of total AD will be N billions - 97 million. Next week, it will be N + M billion - 97 million.
People will not farm more or farm less rAD because of this AH offer.
In the end of it, it will be 97 million AD less than if such companion is not offered in AH.
So, it is a 97 million AD sink which does not really matter in the economy.
ppl keep saying random numbers of ad generated per week but the fact is we don't know how much is generated in a week.
but let's put that aside for a moment. the other thing to consider is the way ad is used. you have people who have a normal amount of ad, you can count the millions on your hand. these people are actually using their ad actively. they're spinning it on the auction house and wonderous bazaar and actually need to buy things still. the amount they're transferring at any given time to the adx is small on average. these people don't matter for this equation. this is the masses the 99%
on the other hand you have the massive billionaires who keep putting their ad into zen because of the ad cap.
the way I see it the ONLY people that matter for sorting out the adx is this 1% group. if we wipe out their inventory for ad somehow that is going to significantly impact the amount up for conversion at any given time.
We don't know for sure how many people are actually playing at this point. we can guess, but I think it's nothing like what they'd have us believe. I think it's even less when you consider the mega mega wealthy. I'm going to guess it's more like a couple hundred people max who have this kind of wealth. I don't think the people who are getting their monthly zen or wards are the kind of quantity that is going to seriously edge up the price and backlog. it's going to be the people who are consistently maxing what they can get on the adx to convert.
looked at from this angle I DO think this will make a difference. you're giving these people who have no reason to spend ad a reason to spend ad and spend they will.
even better will be if we can get them to start putting their zen the other way BACK into the market to buy these things. the stored zen of these mega wealthy will opposite inflow to the ad economy on the adx which will help with the backlog even more.
you will probably say, but oh, that's bringing more ad into the economy which defeats the purpose of a sink. imo if it's ad that has been converted to zen or zen converted to ad, it's a rose by any other name. it is spendable currency that has already been generated in game. the opposite inflow of it in the adx, however will be a positive effect on the adx rather than negative. it's double good.
the tl;dr nutshell point is there are two kinds of ad out there. smaller amounts on the average player that are in constant circulation and the bigger blocks on the mega wealthy that are in constant play on the adx. so the amounts of ad in question to make a difference are actually a smaller more concentrated pool than the larger part that is in the player base.
you said it not me.
seriously.
also just to clear things up a little more for you, ad is not generated by things being bought and sold on the ah (as you were implying earlier on in the thread)
and as for the purpose of an ad sink, it is to help level out the ah backlog.. for this purpose all the new ad being newly generated doesn't matter. the only ad that matters is when it's conglomerated by a few individuals and they heap it on the adx thus plugging it up. the people who are doing this are the master crafters/wheeler dealers mostly. they aren't the ones quing up for random ques. (where most of the actual New ad comes from)
New AD is from things like doing a weekly and getting 4500 ad. or salvaging armor...
Circulating and accumulating ad comes from getting a good drop in a dungeon and selling it on the ah. that money wasn't newly created. it's just being passed around. Even though the knox pet is being sold on the ah the money is going to a dev who is going to feed it to a dragon where it will be pooped out into the void.. so it's gone.